Projecting the 53

[cshea]

I think we usually have one of these every year. There's been some discussion on who is on, who is off across multiple threads...figured it'd be worthwhile to have a singe thread dedicated to the full roster, which is due on Tuesday.

I suck at this, mock away, but will take a stab:

(these are in no particular depth chart order)

QB (3): Jacoby Briseett, Drake Maye, Joe Milton
RB (3): Rhamondre Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, Kevin Harris
WR (6): Pop Douglas, Ja'Lynn Polk, Tyquan Thornton, KJ Osborn, Javon Baker, Jalen Reagor
TE (3): Hunter Henry, Austin Hooper, Jaheim Bell
OL (10): David Andrews, Mike Onwenu, Vederian Lowe, Chuks Okorafor, Layden Robinson, Caedan Wallace, Sidy Sow, Nick Leverett, Calvin Anderson, Michael Jordan

DL (7): Dan Ekuale, Davon Godchaux. Jeremiah Pharms, Keion White, Deatrich Wise Jr, Armon Watts, Sam Roberts
LB (6): Ja'Whaun Bently, Anfernee Jennings, Raekwon McMillan, Jahlani Tavai, Joshua Uche, Oshane Ximines
CB (6): Alex Austin, Christian Gonzalez, Jon Jones, Marcus Jones, Shaun Wade, Isaiah Bolden
S (6): Jabrill Peppers, Kyle Dugger, Joshua Bledsoe, Brendan Schooler, Jaylin Hawkins,
Specialists (3): Joe Cardona, Bryce Baringer, Chad Ryland/Joe Slye

PUP: Kendrick Bourne, Cole Strange, Sione Takitaki
IR: Christian Barmore, Marte Mapu

The opening 53 will likely have Barmore and Mapu on it so those player will can be deginated to return.

 

[RedOctober3829]

QB(3)--Brissett, Maye, Milton
RB(4)--Stevenson, Gibson, Harris, Hasty
WR(6)--Baker, Polk, Douglas, Osborn, Boutte, Thortnon
OL(9)--Okorafor, Sow, Andrews, Onwenu, Wallace, Anderson, Leverett, Robinson, Lowe
TE(3)--Henry, Hooper, Wilcox
IDL(5)--Godcheaux, Ekuale, Wise, Pharms, Purcell
DE/OLB(4)-Ximines, White, Uche, Jennings
LB(4)-Bentley, Tavai, McMillan, Elliss
CB(6)--Gonzalez, J. Jones, M. Jones, Austin, Bolden, Wade
Safety(4)--Dugger, Peppers, Mapu, Hawkins
ST(5)--Cardona, Slye, Baringer, Schooler, Wallis

PUP--Strange, Takitaki, Bourne
NFI--Barmore

 

[DJnVa]

The opening 53 will likely have Barmore and Mapu on it so those player will can be deginated to return.

I thought there was no chance Barmore was going to return?

 

[cshea]

I thought there was no chance Barmore was going to return?

Yeah, I'm not expecting him to return. I just assumed that the reason he hasn't been IR'd yet is because they want to wait until the season starts so they can leave the door open.

 

[Saints Rest]

Yeah, I'm not expecting him to return. I just assumed that the reason he hasn't been IR'd yet is because they want to wait until the season starts so they can leave the door open.

I thought they changed that rule this year?

 

[Saints Rest]

Found it:

From the league meeting earlier this offseason, the adopted change to the roster cutdown injured reserve:

By Competition Committee; amends Article XVII, Section 17.16(C), to permit each club to place a maximum of two players who are placed on an applicable Reserve List on the business day of the final roster reduction to be designated for return. Such players will immediately count as two of the club’s total designations.

In plain words, the new rule allows teams the ability to place two players on injured reserve at the roster cutdown deadline to return during the season. That has not been the case in the past with the NFL; if a player went on injured reserve before the active 53-man roster is set, he was out for the season.

 

[BaseballJones]

QB(3)--Brissett, Maye, Milton
RB(4)--Stevenson, Gibson, Harris, Hasty
WR(6)--Baker, Polk, Douglas, Osborn, Boutte, Thortnon
OL(9)--Okorafor, Sow, Andrews, Onwenu, Wallace, Anderson, Leverett, Robinson, Lowe
TE(3)--Henry, Hooper, Wilcox
IDL(5)--Godcheaux, Ekuale, Wise, Pharms, Purcell
DE/OLB(4)-Ximines, White, Uche, Jennings
LB(4)-Bentley, Tavai, McMillan, Elliss
CB(6)--Gonzalez, J. Jones, M. Jones, Austin, Bolden, Wade
Safety(4)--Dugger, Peppers, Mapu, Hawkins
ST(5)--Cardona, Slye, Baringer, Schooler, Wallis

PUP--Strange, Takitaki, Bourne
NFI--Barmore

Ranking these position groups...

1. Safety
2. Cornerback
3. Defensive line
4. Tight end
5. Special teams
6. Running back
7. Linebacker
8. Defensive end
9. Wide receiver
10. Quarterback
11. Offensive line

Just one person's opinion...

 

[cshea]

Ah, thanks.

I could be interpreting it wrong but I don't think it changes much? Barmore can't go on IR until the final roster day if they want to designate him to return. The rule basically just gives them a 55-man roster on cutdown day and you can use 2 spots for IR-DTR. It allows teams to skip the transactional gymnastics of cutting a player, rostering Barmore, placing Barmore on IR, then signing a player back. But he can't go on until the last day if I'm reading that right. For instance, I don't think Jake Andrews would be eligible to return.

Edit: There is also NFI, unclear if Barmore would be eligible since he practiced. Andrews went straight to IR when he had the same problem, FWIW.

 

[Zedia]

S (6): Jabrill Peppers, Kyle Dugger, Joshua Bledsoe, Brendan Schooler, Jaylin Hawkins, Josh Bledsoe

You have Bledsoe on there twice and I’m not sure either of him will make it.

ST(5)--Cardona, Slye, Baringer, Schooler, Wallis

I‘m intrigued by Wallis too but I’m afraid he blew it with his muff the other night.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Ah, thanks.

I could be interpreting it wrong but I don't think it changes much? Barmore can't go on IR until the final roster day if they want to designate him to return. The rule basically just gives them a 55-man roster on cutdown day and you can use 2 spots for IR-DTR. It allows teams to skip the transactional gymnastics of cutting a player, rostering Barmore, placing Barmore on IR, then signing a player back. But he can't go on until the last day if I'm reading that right. For instance, I don't think Jake Andrews would be eligible to return.

Since it is a non-football injury, Barmore can go on the NFI list. He can be activated any time after Week 4.

 

[cshea]

Since it is a non-football injury, Barmore can go on the NFI list. He can be activated any time after Week 4.

I don't think it makes much of a functional difference, and I could be wrong as we're in the technicality weeds, but I don't think Barmore is eligible for NFI. From what I gather it works like PUP, it's a designation for players who arrive at camp and can't participate due to football related injuries (PUP) or non-football injuries (NFI). I don't think a player can practice then go on either of those lists even if the injury/illness is not related to football.

 

[Steve Dillard]

My CBS sports knowledge tells me the teams to watch for OL talent

Jaguars

offensive line

There is an important distinction that should be made with each of these position groupings. The inclusion of a particular group does not mean that unit has a high talent level or no concerns of its own. It means that other teams may have interest in the expendable depth that they have accumulated.

Seahawks offensive line
Christian Haynes and Anthony Bradford are competing for the starting right guard position, but the rest of the offensive line is largely known when right tackle Abe Lucas is healthy. In addition to those six players, the franchise has Stone Forsythe, who stepped up admirably when injuries necessitated, George Fant, Olu Oluwatimi, McClendon Curtis and a pair of sixth-round draft choices.


Cardinals offensive line
Arizona has overhauled its offensive line in recent years. Reserves Kelvin Beachum, Trystan Colon, Elijah Wilkinson and Keith Ismael have over 200 starts between them. They also have third-, fourth- and fifth-round draft picks from the past two years sitting on the bench. There are a lot of bodies in that room and the release of veteran offensive tackle Dennis Daley was only the beginning of changes.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-roster-waivers-and-trade-candidates-eagles-secondary-steelers-defensive-line-among-deepest-units/

 

[Cellar-Door]

Well you can leave Purcell off your projections.... just got released

 

[chilidawg]

Well you can leave Purcell off your projections.... just got released

Bit of a surprise, no? I thought he was solidly in the backup NT slot.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

Ranking these position groups...

1. Safety
2. Cornerback
3. Defensive line
4. Tight end
5. Special teams
6. Running back
7. Linebacker
8. Defensive end
9. Wide receiver
10. Quarterback
11. Offensive line

Just one person's opinion...

Their two starting safeties are very good although not ideal complements to each other

The depth isn’t good though. Hawkins is outright bad. Schooler is special teams only. Mapu is trending towards bust and even if he pans out he’s fairly limited as a safety other than an in the box/LOS type.

If Dugger or Peppers gets injured, it’s going to be ugly.

 

[Saints Rest]

I think if the Pats end up running the ball as much as they hope, we will need more than 3 RBs. My guess is that Hasty makes it or they sign someone new after Tuesday. But I bet they will have 4 active RBs pretty often.

 

[Zincman]

What's the over/under on the number of free agents signed after roster cut-downs? I'll make the number at 6.5.

 

[Justthetippett]

What's the over/under on the number of free agents signed after roster cut-downs? I'll make the number at 6.5.

I'd take the under, but not by much. I could see 5 signees, OL, DL, RB and LB being the most likely position groupings. Amazing that during the dynasty I'd sweat over the back 5% of the roster and now I'd feel fine if half the 53 ended up elsewhere. Wolf is going to earn his money this year on creating enough competent depth for the top new guys (Maye, Polk, Gonzalez) to make the necessary strides to start building something.

 

[Saints Rest]

What's the over/under on the number of Patriot cuts that get signed by other teams after roster cut-downs? I'll make the number at 0.5.

 

[chilidawg]

What's the over/under on the number of Patriot cuts that get signed by other teams after roster cut-downs? I'll make the number at 0.5.

KC just signed JuJu. Didn't see that one coming.

 

[Saints Rest]

KC just signed JuJu. Didn't see that one coming.

Too bad we couldnt' have turned that into a trade:
KC gets Juju and the Pats' 2025 7th round pick
Pats get KC's 2025 7th round pick

 

[cshea]

So the Pats downgrade a pick?

 

[Cellar-Door]

Too bad we couldnt' have turned that into a trade:
KC gets Juju and the Pats' 2025 7th round pick
Pats get KC's 2025 7th round pick

Except... Juju on the minimum is worth a roster spot to KC, Juju on his contract was not.

 

[RedOctober3829]

 

[Saints Rest]

So the Pats downgrade a pick?

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Yeah, that Chief's pick is likely Irrelevant.

 

[BaseballJones]

Is that awesome pats pulpit roster prediction tool available this year? I can't find it.

 

[fieldslikebuckner]

Is that awesome pats pulpit roster prediction tool available this year? I can't find it.

I think this is what you're looking for.
https://www.patsfans.com/patspicker/

 

[cshea]

No surprise, but Strange and Bourne are starting the year on PUP

https://x.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1828424171589669281

https://x.com/DougKyed/status/1828420846974607571

 

[cshea]

Wilcox cut. Assume this means Bell makes it as the 3rd TE

View: https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1828429956906361246

 

[DJnVa]

Per Kyed--Watts, Bledsoe, Jennings are all released.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Per Kyed--Watts, Bledsoe, Jennings are all released.

That is Terrell Jennings (RB), not Anfernee, just to be clear.

 

[Dogman]

Zappe cut. Per everyone.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Watts got cut, slightly surprising given contract and Barmore being out.

 

[DJnVa]

Zappe cut. Per everyone.

Wonder if he goes to PS.

 

[cshea]

I was thinking the Bills might be interested in Zappe. Trubisky got hurt in one of their preseason games and I thought I saw somewhere that they released Ben DiNucci. If Trubisky can't go week 1 they will need a backup.

 

[Jinhocho]

Wonder if he goes to PS.

Given how the team team seems to have no appreciation for what he brings, if I were him, I would be looking elsewhere for an opportunity.

 

[DJnVa]

Given how the team team seems to have no appreciation for what he brings,

Which is?

 

[Cellar-Door]

Which is?

below average backup QB play with no upside

 

[Mystic Merlin]

He’s blocked by three more talented players, for all the talent issues the Pats have the QB room is actually tough for a player like Zappe. Forget appreciation, everyone knows who he is as a player; he just may land with a team that has a need at QB3 or wants to push their QB2.

 

[cshea]

This one surprises me...Kevin Harris is being released:

View: https://twitter.com/ByMarkDaniels/status/1828449828021424346


3 RB's?

 

[Jinhocho]

Which is?

They clearly had no intention of keeping him this year, considering he ended up the backup the last 2 years and they made him the fourth string almost right out of the gate. They could and should have easily released him in the off-season or earlier in the summer so he could have caught on somewhere better. I get the arguments for not doing so, but if I were him I would not want to be back here on the practice squad where they clearly do not value him much if at all.

 

[boca]

View: https://twitter.com/DougKyed/status/1828450131189932233

 

[Jinhocho]

This one surprises me...Kevin Harris is being released:

View: https://twitter.com/ByMarkDaniels/status/1828449828021424346


3 RB's?

This one makes very little sense to me. I thought he was ready for A strong year and if Stephenson got hurt again he would be the bellcow.

 

[DJnVa]

They clearly had no intention of keeping him this year, considering he ended up the backup the last 2 years and they made him the fourth string almost right out of the gate. They could and should have easily released him in the off-season or earlier in the summer so he could have caught on somewhere better. I get the arguments for not doing so, but if I were him I would not want to be back here on the practice squad where they clearly do not value him much if at all.

And then if Brissett or Maye gets hurt in camp they have to sign a street FA. I think he was there all camp in case someone got hurt.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

Watts got cut, slightly surprising given contract and Barmore being out.

He was a spare part in Pittsburgh and got almost no playing time with the 1’s or 2’s in preseason.

Would think they will be trying to address DT depth on the waiver wire given they ignored it all off-season.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

This one makes very little sense to me. I thought he was ready for A strong year and if Stephenson got hurt again he would be the bellcow.

He’s shown very little to this point and was on the practice squad last year. He’s a dime a dozen bottom of the roster/waiver wire guy.

 

[Jinhocho]

And then if Brissett or Maye gets hurt in camp they have to sign a street FA. I think he was there all camp in case someone got hurt.

Agreed, but I don't really have a sense that they thought he would be a good fit in the Van pelt offense so they should have brought someone in and just gotten rid of him earlier. And you could see this one coming for a long time. They just used him as camp fodder.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

Per Kyed--Watts, Bledsoe, Jennings are all released.

Bledsoe is a bit of a surprise to me, I thought he got some playing time and was decent in camp. Low impact surprise, though.

Zappe cut. Per everyone.

On the other hand, this was not remtely a surprise.

Given how the team team seems to have no appreciation for what he brings, if I were him, I would be looking elsewhere for an opportunity.

Interceptions?

They clearly had no intention of keeping him this year, considering he ended up the backup the last 2 years and they made him the fourth string almost right out of the gate. They could and should have easily released him in the off-season or earlier in the summer so he could have caught on somewhere better. I get the arguments for not doing so, but if I were him I would not want to be back here on the practice squad where they clearly do not value him much if at all.

That much is true. I don't really expect to see him back on the practice squad.

This one surprises me...Kevin Harris is being released:

3 RB's?

I guess Hasty may have impressed as a 3rd down back, which is less Harris' skillset.

He's a practice squad candidate, I assume. He's looked OK at times, this preseason and last year.

 

[Curt S Loew]

Agreed, but I don't really have a sense that they thought he would be a good fit in the Van pelt offense so they should have brought someone in and just gotten rid of him earlier. And you could see this one coming for a long time. They just used him as camp fodder.