Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

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At least that explains why he thinks the Sox should get Felix Hernandez. :blink:
Actually, it probably explains why he thinks the Sox can get him with a package of Lester and Ellsbury. He hasn't played competitive baseball in a while, after all. By his thinking, it would be a massive overpay by the Sox for Seattle to get two local kids who are two years older and scheduled to make more combined money than Felix does.
 

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Actually, it probably explains why he thinks the Sox can get him with a package of Lester and Ellsbury. He hasn't played competitive baseball in a while, after all. By his thinking, it would be a massive overpay by the Sox for Seattle to get two local kids who are two years older and scheduled to make more combined money than Felix does.
I hadn't thought of that, Cafardo Whisperer.

Remember all those times you crossed your eyes and someone said "you'll get stuck like that"? I wonder if the same is true after spending time trying to "think like Nick."
 

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The hidden gem in Cafardo's Sunday Notes was the suggestion that the Dodgers could upgrade from Elian Herrera who actually has played the least innings at third base among himself and scrappy vets Adam Kennedy and Juan Uribe. Herrera is outhitting both of them and has played every defensive spot except for 1B and Catcher. Yet he's the first on Cafardo's chopping block because the guy probably heard about him for the first time last week.
 

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You guys laugh now, I'd rather see Kapstein make it than have to endure endless "why won't anyone give this kid a chance?!" references when he reaches AAA in 6-7 years and inevitably becomes a journeyman minor leaguer
 

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Carl Crawford, who has somehow managed to incur two injuries (elbow and now groin) while rehabbing his wrist, has suffered a setback, while Ellsbury keeps rehabbing and rehabbing and rehabbing in the minors. If he can play in the minors, why can’t he play here?
Keep beating that drum, Nick
 

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Is he taunting us at this point? The Mets, and specifically the management team that includes
J.P. Ricciardi​
, get his NL award for most surprising team?
 

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Nick made reference to the Krafts once-upon-a-time proposing to buy the Expos and put that team in Foxborough.

Does anyone remember this? All I can remember is Eddie Andelman yapping about bringing a NL team to the area for quite a while, but nothing other than talk show babble. Nothing of any substance (and, of course, there would have been a big territorial dispute with the Red Sox that may have proven insurmountable).

Of course, Nick was a big Andleman suckup back in the day.

Not a bad idea (and there should be at least one more team in Metro NY-NJ) actually, just not a serious one.
 

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Nick made reference to the Krafts once-upon-a-time proposing to buy the Expos and put that team in Foxborough.

Does anyone remember this? All I can remember is Eddie Andelman yapping about bringing a NL team to the area for quite a while, but nothing other than talk show babble. Nothing of any substance (and, of course, there would have been a big territorial dispute with the Red Sox that may have proven insurmountable).

Of course, Nick was a big Andleman suckup back in the day.

Not a bad idea (and there should be at least one more team in Metro NY-NJ) actually, just not a serious one.
It was back in the late 90s when Andleman suggested that the Krafts buy the Expos and have them play in Foxborough. I don't think, in fact I am pretty sure, that the Krafts themselves ever got involved. Andleman also suggested that the Expos play in Boston the year that Expos were playing in Puerto Rico (which I thought was a good idea).

But playing 81 games a year in Foxborough is an awful, awful, awful idea.
 

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It was back in the late 90s when Andleman suggested that the Krafts buy the Expos and have them play in Foxborough. I don't think, in fact I am pretty sure, that the Krafts themselves ever got involved. Andleman also suggested that the Expos play in Boston the year that Expos were playing in Puerto Rico (which I thought was a good idea).

But playing 81 games a year in Foxborough is an awful, awful, awful idea.

There's this:
SAN FRANCISCO - How's this for a wild pitch: The Boston Expos.
The Daily News has learned that there have been preliminary discussions at the highest levels of baseball about having the MLB-owned Montreal Expos share Fenway Park with the Red Sox next season.
According to a source with knowledge of the discussions, the Expos would play in Fenway for one year while MLB continues to search for a buyer - and a suitable permanent location for them.
Under the discussed deal, MLB would pay the Red Sox rent for the Expos as Fenway tenants. The new Red Sox ownership group, headed by former Yankee limited partner John Henry, is said to be heavily leveraged after paying $700 million for the club and the added Fenway revenue would be an unexpected resource for them.


"This could be a win-win-win for all the parties involved except the 200 season ticket-holders in Montreal," the source said. "The Red Sox get the benefit of the extra revenue, the Expos get a great place to play where people will come out to see them and Boston fans get to see National League baseball again."
http://articles.nyda...ston-university

Of course, Nick couldn't be bother to look this up (took me 2 seconds) and somehow managed to get the Krafts involved, which I'm pretty sure was never the case.
 

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That's right Corsi, in the corner of my mind I remembered that there was talk about the Expos playing in Fenway for a year but wasn't entirely sure if I was remembering incorrectly. Thanks.

BTW, that would have been awesome. I wonder how things would have changed if the Expos did play a season in Boston?
 

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At one point (probably in the talks about mega-renovation of Fenway Park or building a new Fenway Park), I believe the Krafts were asked about temporary baseball in Foxboro. It turned out the new stadium had been constructed with some built-in convertible modularity to accommodate a baseball field's dimensions.
 

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Don't read Cafardo's article from 7/8; I won't link it. It is trash, and I don't think it will even buy him clicks, it's so tin-eared.
He has jumped the proverbial cartilaginous fish.

In the first game, you heard what a terrible lineup the Sox had with Mauro Gomez and Pedro Ciriaco in it. And then after the 9-5 win in Game 2, it was, “How about that offense?” — which was led by terrific offensive performances by Gomez and Ciriaco.

So which is it?

Which Red Sox team do you trust?


If you’re general manager Ben Cherington or Valentine or Lucchino, you have to think the team needs a shake-up after dropping the first two games of the series to the Yankees. It’s time for a kick in the pants, major changes.


Trade one of the big-name pitchers for someone who can spark this team.

You think back to when Theo Epstein dealt Nomar Garciaparra at the trading deadline in 2004, a move that helped win a championship.

We suggested in this space a few weeks back that the Sox deal Jon Lester, Jacoby Ellsbury, and whatever else it would take to get Felix Hernandez. Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik has since reiterated he’s not dealing King Felix.

Trade Josh Beckett, 10-5 rights or not.

Do something.


 

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Outside of the fact that I wouldn't be inclined to make the suggested Felix Hernandez deal, I pretty much agree with everything quoted from that column. I have to believe most people do as well. The Ciriaco-Gomez point is spot on, the fact that changes are needed is seemingly obvious, and dealing Beckett is hardly a bad idea.
 

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Outside of the fact that I wouldn't be inclined to make the suggested Felix Hernandez deal, I pretty much agree with everything quoted from that column. I have to believe most people do as well. The Ciriaco-Gomez point is spot on, the fact that changes are needed is seemingly obvious, and dealing Beckett is hardly a bad idea.
Cafardo is suggesting a trade of a "big name pitcher" to provide a "spark" a la Nomar in 2004. The problem with that suggestion is that he wants to remove part of something that has demonstrably been a weak point on the team. Remove it with absolutely no idea or suggestion of how to replace and/or improve upon the contributions of the lost part. Trading Beckett provides the necessary "spark" and "kick in the pants" how? It's these kinds of vague and inane keyboard diarrhea with no explanation or analysis that Cafardo excels at and is rightfully mocked and ridiculed for in this thread.

Beckett's absense from the clubhouse will suddenly make Lester and Buchholz the all star aces we expected? Amongst the return for trading him is going to be a pitcher who can be the equivalent of 2007 Josh Beckett for this team? Is Beckett's presence on the roster blocking someone who, upon his removal, will step up and do the job with skill and gusto heretofore unseen at Fenway Park?

Anyone can bleat about trading this guy or that guy with no reasoning or explanation. The author of the Sunday Baseball Notes on the Boston Globe should be doing more than that.
 

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Outside of the fact that I wouldn't be inclined to make the suggested Felix Hernandez deal, I pretty much agree with everything quoted from that column. I have to believe most people do as well. The Ciriaco-Gomez point is spot on, the fact that changes are needed is seemingly obvious, and dealing Beckett is hardly a bad idea.
David I respect you and have enjoyed reading the articles you've written and interviews you have done.
But your response is far off-base.

The article can be summarized as "The team is losing. Something must be done.", and it expresses even that incoherently.
The "Ciriaco-Gomez point" is completely void of meaning or insight - pointing out that two minor league had a good game is nothing but random fluctuation in a 4-6 PA sample size. Followed by "Which Red Sox team do you trust?". Trust? Team? Which teams? Two teams? What does it have to do with trust? The article is logorrhea.

I think you "pretty much agree" with everyone who wants the team to be better. But trading Beckett now is going to bring back roughly equivalent talent to what he's been doing lately (and worse because he is paid a lot); the market is fairly efficient.

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Anyone can bleat about trading this guy or that guy with no reasoning or explanation.
Total agreement--

Now whenever I hear Nick's name I'm going to think of this image.


And now I've spent 20 minutes total on this topic - after clicking on this in the boston.com "most read".

Please someone remind me next time that sports reporters are entertainers first.
Sorry to waste everyone's time along with my own
 

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I'm not a Cafardo fan, but I read that sentence differently. I think what he's saying is that they should trade Beckett, doing what it would take to get him to waive his 10-5 rights.

Now, Nick could have saved some mocking if he had taken the time to spell that out; but he's been writing about dumping Beckett for a while now, so I think his sin in this instance is laziness, not stupidity
 

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But if they have to convince Beckett to waive his 10-5 they'll lose all leverage in improving the team with their return as the target trade partner will know full well the Sox have no other options.

It's lazy and stupid.
 

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But if they have to convince Beckett to waive his 10-5 they'll lose all leverage in improving the team with their return as the target trade partner will know full well the Sox have no other options.

It's lazy and stupid.
Fair enough. I was trying to throw him a bone.
 

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Fair enough. I was trying to throw him a bone.
Why? Carfardo has been writing crap like this for so long it's astounding that he still has a major market in which people read his garbage. As been noted above, everything about him screams laziness. There is no thought, no research, no analysis, no coherence and no logic in anything he writes. He used to be a writer, like Peter King, who worked at his craft. Now? Why should anyone, Laurila included, throw this lazy typist a bone?
 

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But if they have to convince Beckett to waive his 10-5 they'll lose all leverage in improving the team with their return as the target trade partner will know full well the Sox have no other options.

It's lazy and stupid.
Plus, what would it even take to get him to waive his 10-5 rights? We're not sure but if he didn't want to be traded for whatever reason (Say, he doesn't want to move mid-season no matter where he'd go) there's literally nothing they can do about it.
 

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According to today's bowel movement, Beckett has "no heart" and Ellsbury was "slow to recover" from a [you can see the sneering air quotes and the implied "only"as he says it] subluxation of his [emphasis] non-throwing shoulder. (which, fwiw, Abraham refers to as a "partial dislocation.")

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2012/07/12/red_sox_second_half_should_be_better/
To name 20 players specifically who have "plenty of heart" is so lame and disgusting. Such a passive way of communicating his personal disdain for Beckett, Buchholz, Ellsbury, and Matsuzaka in particular.

Thank goodness "we've" been told that King Felix is not available. So many of "us" had assumed that something like Ciriaco ("Who couldn't use a middle infielder on fire!") + Dice ("They've got a mysterious Japanese owner... he'd LOVE Dice!") would get that deal done.

We're also back to pimping Joey Church, because "defense is so important in the late innings".

:gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk: :gonk:
 

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There’s also nothing wrong with trying to find a way to get Jose Iglesias’s glove on the major league roster, even if he’s coming off the bench or spot starting. Defense is important in the late innings and he could provide that.
God, not Iglesias love again. He's got a fucking 602 OPS in AAA. Ciriaco got called up before him for a reason. STFU Nick.

And this:

1. Ellsbury must recognize his importance to the team and be the spark that gets the offense working.
That's pants-on-head retarded. I am at a loss for words.
 

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There’s also nothing wrong with trying to find a way to get Jose Iglesias’s glove on the major league roster, even if he’s coming off the bench or spot starting. Defense is important in the late innings and he could provide that.
God, not Iglesias love again. He's got a fucking 602 OPS in AAA. Ciriaco got called up before him for a reason. STFU Nick.
To be fair to Nick, he only suggested that Iglesias's glove be on the major league roster. Perhaps it can occupy the roster spot once filled by Alex Cora's brain.
 

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is there any more secure position in the entire world than being a member of the sports press?

Cafardo stopped sports evolving somewhere around 1991, yet every day he's still hammering away at his keyboard and letting people know what he thinks. When will he go away?
 

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Cafardo, never one to avoid a pig pile if it means a good chance to suck up, gets in a couple of kicks to Youks' ribs while fellating Middlebrooks.

A couple of Cafardo classics in this one, starting with this gem of a paragraph:

Middlebrooks may have a ways to go before he matches some of Youkilis’s statistics, but regardless of the tick in adrenaline Youkilis has received in Chicago for wanting to prove the Red Sox wrong, or for the fresh start he received, Middlebrooks’s upside is undeniable.
Aha. Undeniable. Don't even try to deny it. The evidence Nick puts forward?

He’s hitting .301 with 11 homers and 41 RBIs in 183 at-bats with an .881 OPS.
Well, there you go. When discussing what will happen in the future, describing what has already happened is a sure-fire way to make your point. What happens when you look at Middlebrooks' stats by month? Well, it looks like this (since you like batting average so much, Nick):

.316 -> .288 -> .267

Looks like nothing but upside to me! I kid, really, since July's numbers are based on four games, but it just shows how meaningless the stats provided are. It's 183 at bats! And now we're ready to decisively declare that he's sure to be better than Youkilis, a guy who's finished top-6 in the MVP voting twice?

But, actually, performance has nothing to do with why the Sox made the right call keeping Middlebrooks and dealing Youk for a bag of baseballs. Here's why it was the right call:

The whole incident brought to light how thin-skinned players have gotten.
That's right. It's because Youk was a whiney wuss. Your manager calls you out and says you don't care as much as you used to? I guess you're supposed to just man up: "Bobby's right. I don't really care as much. That's why I'm sucking out loud. Doesn't have anything to do with my surgically repaired hip or my fucked up back, it's all just a lack of desire. Because that's what separates all good players from all bad players. The good players just want it more. The bad players, they don't care. But you know that already, because you've been covering JD Drew for the past four years, and we all know he sucked because he just didn't care."

More evidence it was the right move on the Red Sox' part? Well, the White Sox are happy with the trade, of course! Really, why wouldn't you want to improve a team that happens to be standing in your way of making the playoffs. Hey Pedro's hitting like a champ in 30 at bats - let's see if the Tigers need a second baseman and run Pedroia out of town!

Finally, let's throw some numbers into a paragraph and see what happens:




Youkilis hit .233 with a .692 OPS in 42 games for the Red Sox this season. Since the trade, he has hit .295 with an .873 OPS for the White Sox. Over 16 games, he has three homers and 15 RBIs. Overall, he’s hitting .251 with seven homers and 29 RBIs in 207 at-bats. His overall numbers don’t compare with the rookie’s.
Youkilis OBP for the year (238 PAs): .340
Middlebrooks OBP for the year (197 PAs): .335

Youks home OPS (118 PA): .951
Middlebrooks home OPS (106 PA): .967

Youks with RISP (56 PA): 302/429/535
Middlebrooks with RISP (64 PA): 351/375/632

No, his overall numbers in 200 ABs don't compare with the rookie's, but there are lots of way to show that Youk is likely to be a comparable, perhaps even better player, for the rest of the year. But let's just look at BA and RBI and throw in OPS to look like you care about deep insight Nick. Let's not look at the fact that Will has struck out 47 times (a quarter of his PA) against only 9 walks. Nothing to see there!

And here's the conclusion:


So maybe there’ll be fireworks with the White Sox in town, but it’s a deal that really did work out for both teams.
Mmmm-kay. It "worked" for both teams because the White Sox improved a position on their infield drastically, and gave up essentially nothing they cared to have. And the Red Sox got to give up a player that looks like he's not cooked and get back, um, well, nothing. But no more clubhouse cancer! Addition by subtraction!

Such drivel.
 

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See, I thought someone would post this gem from Sunday:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/14/mitchell-report-worked/wVXIW73As5pMlyayRBVmwJ/story.html

. Josh Hamilton told me that in a spring training game at Legends Field in Tampa against the Yankees, the Rays’ starting outfield was Carl Crawford in left, Rocco Baldelli in center, and Hamilton in right. Hamilton was drafted by the Rays in 1999.
There is actually nothing there of substance. It's a fact, which could easily be researched instead of attributed to Hamilton. It basically reads as if Cafardo wants to prove that he talked to Hamilton once. He doesn't even follow it up with how they performed, Hamilton's thoughts on the outfield etc
 

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See, I thought someone would post this gem from Sunday:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/14/mitchell-report-worked/wVXIW73As5pMlyayRBVmwJ/story.html



There is actually nothing there of substance. It's a fact, which could easily be researched instead of attributed to Hamilton. It basically reads as if Cafardo wants to prove that he talked to Hamilton once. He doesn't even follow it up with how they performed, Hamilton's thoughts on the outfield etc
Maybe it's Cafardo's clever way of hinting that Hamilton might find himself in a Red Sox uniform someday. After all, the other two did.
 

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See, I thought someone would post this gem from Sunday:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/07/14/mitchell-report-worked/wVXIW73As5pMlyayRBVmwJ/story.html



There is actually nothing there of substance. It's a fact, which could easily be researched instead of attributed to Hamilton. It basically reads as if Cafardo wants to prove that he talked to Hamilton once. He doesn't even follow it up with how they performed, Hamilton's thoughts on the outfield etc
This is just another example of Cafardo's patented, "Have the reader do all the work" brand of writing. We can look at this statement a couple of ways:

1. Wow. Despite being absolutely sucky, the Devil Rays had a shit load of young talent in 1999. Imagine if they kept them all together?
2. Wow. Despite being absolutely sucky, the Devil Rays had a shit load of snake-bitten talent in 1999. I wonder why that is?

Either way, Nick is laying the groundwork and we're doing the heavy lifting. Thanks again, Nick.
 

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Nick finally gets a story, and he buries it at the bottom of today's notebook (also in the coaches thread):

The reason assistant pitching coach Randy Niemann was taken off the bench was so McClure could better assume his normal pitching coach duties. Niemann is a longtime Valentine coach, was his bullpen coach with the Mets, and he served as Sox pitching coach when McClure left the team for three weeks because of a family matter. Valentine relies heavily on Niemann; the decision to not keep him on the bench was made at the executive level, according to a team source.
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2012/07/17/david_ortiz_injures_achilles_tendon/?page=2
 

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Ryan Dempster was 2-1 with a 1.71 ERA in three starts vs AL this season. So yes he can pitch in AL.
https://twitter.com/nickcafardo/status/226042329729998848
 
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