Protecting the Shields -- The Nick Cafardo Thread

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Yankees Make Their Move: Granderson

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So Granderson is on the verge (pending a physical) of going to the Yankees, who will give up prized center field prospect Austin Jackson, lefthanded starter Ian Kennedy, and lefty reliever Phil Coke in a three-way deal that includes the Diamondbacks.

Dude... I mean, seriously....

Edit: I'm so irritated, I don't even get to the very next sentence:
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Arizona gets righthander Erwin Jackson from Detroit and Kennedy, while the Tigers get Austin Jackson and Coke from New York, plus Arizona lefty Matt Scherzer and righty Daniel Schlereth.

That's just incredible... thank goodness we weren't willing to give up Cliff Buckholtz and Jeremy Ellsbury in that deal.
 

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QUOTE (Smiling Joe Hesketh @ Dec 9 2009, 09:38 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2721201
That's truly impressive. The paper is bleeding money, they're paying Nick six figures and that's what he comes up with? Pathetic.


Must be nice to have a lifetime contract and crank out shit like that and have no fear of repercussion. Gotta love America.
 

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There's no reason for him not to be fired. Seriously. This is basic, "you can't get this shit wrong" stuff.

Also, it's Max Scherzer, not Matt, and he's a righty, not a lefty.

Pathetic.
 

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It's the arrogance that is amazing. It doesn't even occur to Cafardo to do a quick Google search to double check things he isn't sure about. He'll just write whatever he thinks is true because at the end of the day nobody at the Globe really gives a shit.
 

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Does the Globe not employ editors anymore? Shouldn't one of them have caught this too?
 

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I've never written to a newspaper before, but that paragraph was just too much. I just sent this letter to the editor of the Globe:

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To the editor,

I've watched as a staple of my youth, the famous Boston Globe Sunday Baseball Notes column has faded from one of the highlights of my week to something I don't even bother to read.

Nick Cafardo has turned a New England institution into an embarrassment for your paper. His writing style has been poor for some time now. His problems include:

- Quoting anonymous sources when there is no reason for them to be hidden
- Interviewing the same group of executives repeatedly, even when they have no relevance to his article
- Asking rhetorical or open-ended questions, rather than actually delving into the answers/opinions and the reasons for them
- Dismissing statistical analysis and contrary viewpoints without explaining why the are weak or invalid
- Basic facts reported incorrectly

I stopped reading the Sunday Notes column because I wasn't learning anything and I wasn't even enjoying reading it. I would have thought this to be impossible even five years ago.

Today I stopped by Boston.com and clicked on a baseball article (Yankees make their move: Granderson), not knowing who the author was. I was treated to this:

"So Granderson is on the verge (pending a physical) of going to the Yankees, who will give up prized center field prospect Austin Jackson, lefthanded starter Ian Kennedy, and lefty reliever Phil Coke in a three-way deal that includes the Diamondbacks. Arizona gets righthander Erwin Jackson from Detroit and Kennedy, while the Tigers get Austin Jackson and Coke from New York, plus Arizona lefty Matt Scherzer and righty Daniel Schlereth. "

It is simply inexcusable that your lead baseball "analyst" doesn't know the names of prominent major league baseball players. To also not know which hand they throw with is equally inexcusable. The fact that I know these names/facts as a casual fantasy baseball player makes it mind boggling that Nick Cafardo does not. Edwin Jackson was an all-star this past season! And Cafardo doesn't know his name! If it were simply one name I could believe it was just a typo missed in the editing process, but two names and three pitchers throwing with the wrong hand? That's not a mistake, that's a lack of knowledge.

I'm not sure what's more disturbing...Cafardo's lack of knowledge of the sport he's paid so handsomely to cover or his utter laziness in reporting on it. A one minute visit to any number of websites or a look at a couple of media guides would have given him all the correct information he should have known offhand anyway. Apparently Cafardo couldn't be bothered to do any research when his knowledge fell short.

This reflects very poorly on your newspaper. I wonder if this sort of haphazard reporting would be allowed to go on in other sections of the paper? Would you stand for it if one of your political columnists identified a senator with the wrong name and political party affiliation? If not, then I'm not sure why it's consistently allowed in your Sports section.

It saddens me to see how far your Sports section has fallen. I'm encouraged by some of your new hires, but Cafardo either needs to improve or be replaced, because his current performance is simply deplorable and has driven me away from your newspaper.

Sincerely,
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QUOTE (Dick Pole Upside @ Dec 9 2009, 01:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2721479
Bummer... I was gobsmacked when I posted this morning... should've taken a shot... oh well, there are a handful of us that got to see that disaster...

It's not a blog, it's in all the morning newspapers like that.
 

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For god sakes Nick, get people's age right. Can Gammons come back to the Globe or sumpin'?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/arti...h_a_tough_call/



And godforbid during the hot-stove season, that a writer at the Boston Globe headline his article with Red Sox discussion. The article is basically Yankees hot stove. I hope Peter Abraham is going to exert himself more in the coming weeks and months because Amalie and Nick Cafardo stink.
 

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I'm not the type to try and micro-analyze every article, nor do I have a statistical super computer in my head like many of the main board stalwarts here, but after last week's Notes self-immolation, you'd think Cafardo and his editor would go over things a little more carefully this week.

And then he so obviously botches Grunderman's age in the second sentence... he gave Cletis the Cuban treatment (he'll be 29 in Spring Training)... at this point, I'm just morbidly curious as to how many basic screw-ups he'll make.

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I hear people's concerns w/ Cafardo -- the errors, ill-informed assumptions about "magical players" and all. But I think my biggest problem with him is that he employs the Gammons model of dropping hints and tidbits of information w/o any of the credibility Gammons brings. Take today:

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Max Ramirez, C/1B/DH, Red Sox - He is described by someone close to him as a major hitting talent who needs “a good kick in the pants’’ so he’ll get in shape and “take baseball far more seriously.’’ Ramirez, who leads the Venezuelan League with 12 homers, “has a swing like Manny Ramirez and he has a lot of power,’’ according to this person.


If Gammons said something like this, it would mean he is suggesting that Max is the next Manny -- from Cafardo, it's just some scout pal of his that no one believes.

Or better yet, this:

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For the moment, discussions between the Red Sox and Padres concerning first baseman Adrian Gonzalez are going nowhere, according to a major league source. And it’s for the obvious reason - compensation. Padres GM Jed Hoyer, certainly familiar with Boston’s inventory, is asking for Clay Buchholz and righthanded pitching prospect Casey Kelly or outfielder Ryan Westmoreland.


Ok, so if this is accurate, he has the biggest scoop on this deal yet--what the Padres want in return for Gonzalez--and if I'm the Red Sox, I probably do this deal in a heartbeat. So why don't the Red Sox? Largely b/c, I'm guessing, it's not true and Hoyer is asking for a lot more than two good prospects -- probably all three plus. Again, if Gammons said this, it would be big news. As is, it's Cafardo talking to some friend of his who probably knows he's not exactly pounding the pavement to confirm the story.
 

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Can people quote these errors? I'm sitting here wondering what the hell is wrong with the age as it's now listed as 28 in the article.
 

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QUOTE (mt8thsw9th @ Dec 13 2009, 11:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2726035
Can people quote these errors? I'm sitting here wondering what the hell is wrong with the age as it's now listed as 28 in the article.

Well... someone needs to take a shot of the print copy. Reading on-line (as I do) provides the Globe the opportunity to update/change. As you can see, I was looking at it around 9 this morning, and SoI was looking at it around 2:30am. So there's at least two posters who felt compelled to acknowledge the error via post.

Last week, I "quoted" the mistakes, but they were updated an hour or two later as if nothing happened (other than Hendu for Kutch writing a scathing note to the paper!)
 

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QUOTE (mt8thsw9th @ Dec 13 2009, 02:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2726651
What was the error? I'm still trying to figure that out...

Sorry... Cafardo's central theme was about the Yankees getting younger and better, and in the second sentence of his article he discussed the recent trade for the "27-year-old" Granderson. Granderson is actually 28, and will be 29 before next season starts. His age has been posted dozens of times since the trade was consummated, yet Cafardo didn't fact-check this info prior to making it a central part of his premise.

Even though Granderson would theoretically replace the older Damon and/or Matsui on the roster, he actually bumps a younger (25... I looked it up :) ) Cabrera out of CF.

Apparently, the Globe either heard from some people or went back and checked, because they've updated the on-line article. After last week's spectacular set of mistakes, one would think a little more care would be taken to provide accurate information.
 

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The only one that caught my eye was the post about Max Ramirez, and how apparently he already is on the Sox.

Trade must have gone through, all clandestine like.
 

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So I was in NY this weekend and happened to catch Cafardo on the FAN, talking about Jason Bay and the Mets rumors. He maintained that Bay is a "fine" defensive outfielder is very underrated. He addressed the "new fangled" stats that make him look bad, simply dismissing them as "crap". "I watched him, I know he's good."


Nice that this is the voice we portray to New York.
 

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QUOTE (Haunted @ Dec 14 2009, 06:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2728513
So I was in NY this weekend and happened to catch Cafardo on the FAN, talking about Jason Bay and the Mets rumors. He maintained that Bay is a "fine" defensive outfielder is very underrated. He addressed the "new fangled" stats that make him look bad, simply dismissing them as "crap". "I watched him, I know he's good."


Nice that this is the voice we portray to New York.

People will hone in on the "crap" declaration, but its worse to me that he either
a) saw Jason Bay for his time in BOS and thought he was a "fine" OF, or
b) doesn't really have an opinion either way but was playing to the NY crowd because it looks like the NYM might get him
 

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Yeah - your a) point caught me as well. Even to the casual fan Bay wasn't that great a fielder. I honestly don't know how one could watch him every day and conclude that he was anything other than "not very good".
 

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a) is exactly it for me. The guy definitely watches every single Red Sox game and comes away with the impression that Bay as a fielder is "fine"? I just don't see how that's possible. He's slow and clumsy and inaccurate and didn't make more than two or three plays that a high-schooler wouldn't make all year. He's Wily Mo bad. "I know he's good"? That's just crazy talk.

At some point you have to wonder whether Cafardo even likes baseball.
 

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QUOTE (MyDaughterLovesTomGordon @ Dec 17 2009, 11:58 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2732555
a) is exactly it for me. The guy definitely watches every single Red Sox game and comes away with the impression that Bay as a fielder is "fine"? I just don't see how that's possible. He's slow and clumsy and inaccurate and didn't make more than two or three plays that a high-schooler wouldn't make all year. He's Wily Mo bad. "I know he's good"? That's just crazy talk.

At some point you have to wonder whether Cafardo even likes baseball.

It sure seems as if he doesn't pay very much attention to it.
 

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It was my impression that Cafardo asked off of the Football beat because he couldn't stand dealing with Belichick, and the Globe had to put him somewhere, so they dropped him on baseball. He has neither the aptitude for understanding the game nor the passion for the game and it shows.
 

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QUOTE (Dummy Hoy @ Dec 17 2009, 09:45 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2733320
It was my impression that Cafardo asked off of the Football beat because he couldn't stand dealing with Belichick, and the Globe had to put him somewhere, so they dropped him on baseball. He has neither the aptitude for understanding the game nor the passion for the game and it shows.

I think Nick likes baseball, he just knows nothing about the game.

IIRC, Nick started his career at the Globe on the baseball beat, and at one point asked to be switched to football because it meant less day-to-day travel and time away from his family. His football coverage was terrible because he doesn't know the game and couldn't deal with the way Belichick handled press conferences, so he asked to be switched back to baseball.

His method of covering both sports is the same. Become chummy with a rival GM (Tom Donohoe of the Bills in football, JP Ridcciardi in baseball), pimp those guys at every opportunity in exchange for getting phone time for quotes whenever needed, and rinse and repeat for years until that GM gets shitcanned, never to get another job in the sport again. It happened to Donohoe and will likely happen to Ricciardi.
 

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http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...alling_red_sox/

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Could Bay return to the Red Sox? It's not inconceivable, according to a major league source, who said it would take two things to happen. 1. Bay would likely have to accept a backloaded contract, which would help the Sox remain under the $170 million payroll threshold for avoiding the luxury tax;


Think that's a fabricated source or just one that has no idea what he's talking about?
 

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QUOTE (judyb @ Dec 24 2009, 09:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2741151
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...alling_red_sox/



Think that's a fabricated source or just one that has no idea what he's talking about?

I vote no idea what he's talking about. Evidence being that he thinks a back loaded contract to Bay would ease the luxury tax implications in 2010. The 2010 paycheck could be $500,000 and the fourth year $29.5 million, and a 4 year, $60 million contract still counts as $15M against 2010's books when it comes to the luxury tax.
 

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QUOTE (judyb @ Dec 24 2009, 10:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2741151
Think that's a fabricated source or just one that has no idea what he's talking about?

It's kind of funny to imagine Cafardo trying desperately to get the answer that suits his column purposes.

Nick: any chance Bay comes back to Boston?
Source: No.
Nick: Are you absolutely sure about that?
Source: Well, the luxury-tax implications are pretty clear.
Nick: So, you're saying there's not even a one-in-a-million chance that he comes back?
Source: Well, I guess it's not inconceivable, but....
Nick: Awesome! Can I quote you on that?
 

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Apropos of nothing 1. Seems like David Wright is no longer a great fit for the Mets (because of Citi Field), but he would be for the Red Sox (because of Fenway); 2. The Yankees stole Javier Vazquez; 3. Brian Cashman is up to something; 4. Whoever gets Xavier Nady gets the best value of the offseason; 5. Are the Pirates still in the league?


Brian Cashman is up to something, just that Nick Cafardo can't reveal what... :unsure:
 

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Never mind Bay--the lead story in that notes column is an extended look at what the team's gonna do with Hermida, the difficulty of getting him regular playing time, etc. And Cafardo completely neglects to mention that Hermida has options left and could play in AAA....
 

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I loved it when Cafardo said that Hermida could be a JD Drew type player.
When Drew was 25, he was hitting 27 HRs and slugging over .600 for the Cards in about 2/3 of a full season, OPS+ of 161...Hermida did put up a nice OPS+ of 125 in '07, but has been well under 100 while getting a lot of playing time the last few seasons.
Sure, he might step up and be JD Drew, but that's a pretty big step at this point. JD was also blazing fast as a youngster, which Hermida does not seem to be.
 

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I have no idea of the point that Cafardo was trying to make with the Hermida part of the column. It read to me as if he was arguing with himself, though I'm not really sure of what he was getting at. Could Hermida be very good, yup. Could the Sox bury him as the fifth outfield? Possibility. Could the Red Sox trade him? Maybe. Could Hermida completely suck? Yeah.

Basically I know just as much about Jeremy Hermida than I did on Saturday night.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 28 2009, 10:19 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744603
I have no idea of the point that Cafardo was trying to make with the Hermida part of the column. It read to me as if he was arguing with himself, though I'm not really sure of what he was getting at. Could Hermida be very good, yup. Could the Sox bury him as the fifth outfield? Possibility. Could the Red Sox trade him? Maybe. Could Hermida completely suck? Yeah.

Basically I know just as much about Jeremy Hermida than I did on Saturday night.

I can't really fault him for the lack of a "take"--with all the potential outcomes (starter, 4th OF, 5th OF, 1B/DH, AAA, traded), I usually end up arguing with myself when I consider the guy, and I'd guess that even the Sox don't yet know exactly how things will turn out. But to go through all of that, stress the need to get him playing time, and not even present the AAA option is just bizarre.
 

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QUOTE (BarrettsHiddenBall @ Dec 28 2009, 12:49 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2744804
I can't really fault him for the lack of a "take"--with all the potential outcomes (starter, 4th OF, 5th OF, 1B/DH, AAA, traded), I usually end up arguing with myself when I consider the guy, and I'd guess that even the Sox don't yet know exactly how things will turn out. But to go through all of that, stress the need to get him playing time, and not even present the AAA option is just bizarre.


Why put it in the column if you have nothing to say about the guy, though?
 

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QUOTE (PedroKsBambino @ Dec 29 2009, 12:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2745783
Why put it in the column if you have nothing to say about the guy, though?


Well, he's got to find some way to squeeze those juicy quotes from the unnamed NL scout. PSSST: "Hermida might be really good with more playing time, or maybe not. But don't tell anyone I told you!"
 

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QUOTE (PedroKsBambino @ Dec 29 2009, 12:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2745783
Why put it in the column if you have nothing to say about the guy, though?

Even without clear conclusions, I think there's plenty to say about Hermida. He didn't get that much press in the first place, and other acquisitions have gotten a lot more attention since, so I don't begrudge Cafardo giving him a little spotlight in a notes column--he's a player that many Globe readers probably aren't that familiar with. But if he's going to provide an overview of a player, why the team acquired him, and his potential role, neglecting to mention that he has options is just bizarre.
 

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You're right, there is a ton to say about Jeremy Hermida, but Cafardo didn't say anything.

The person who writes the weekly notes section should be the most connected writer in their sport. Cafardo talked to one unnamed scout. How about someone from the Marlins? Someone from his minor league days? Cafardo said that Hermida could be the next David Ortiz or he could be a fifth outfielder, that's a gigantic range. Why is it so big, he must be talented, is he lazy? Did he not get an opportunity in Miami?

These are all very elementary questions that should have been answered. And if you want to say, last week was the week of Christmas, maybe Cafardo couldn't reach all of his sources. Ok, I can buy that, but you don't have to run the story. The Sox got Jeremy Hermida at the end of October (almost two months ago) so this isn't a breaking news type story. It could have been held for one more week.

This was a complete waste of my time and Cafardo's time. He should be doing better.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 29 2009, 02:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2746347
You're right, there is a ton to say about Jeremy Hermida, but Cafardo didn't say anything.

The person who writes the weekly notes section should be the most connected writer in their sport. Cafardo talked to one unnamed scout. How about someone from the Marlins? Someone from his minor league days? Cafardo said that Hermida could be the next David Ortiz or he could be a fifth outfielder, that's a gigantic range. Why is it so big, he must be talented, is he lazy? Did he not get an opportunity in Miami?

These are all very elementary questions that should have been answered. And if you want to say, last week was the week of Christmas, maybe Cafardo couldn't reach all of his sources. Ok, I can buy that, but you don't have to run the story. The Sox got Jeremy Hermida at the end of October (almost two months ago) so this isn't a breaking news type story. It could have been held for one more week.

This was a complete waste of my time and Cafardo's time. He should be doing better.

I don't really dispute any of this, though I guess I expect less of Cafardo and post-Gammons Sunday Notes in general than you. A fully researched/sourced, well thought out look at Hermida would have been great; my point is that even without those expectations, as a very basic space-filling overview of Hermida of benefit to only casual Sox fans, the article still completely fails in neglecting to point out his option status, which shouldn't require any sources or research at all.
 

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QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 29 2009, 01:46 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2746347
You're right, there is a ton to say about Jeremy Hermida, but Cafardo didn't say anything.

The person who writes the weekly notes section should be the most connected writer in their sport. Cafardo talked to one unnamed scout. How about someone from the Marlins? Someone from his minor league days? Cafardo said that Hermida could be the next David Ortiz or he could be a fifth outfielder, that's a gigantic range. Why is it so big, he must be talented, is he lazy? Did he not get an opportunity in Miami?

These are all very elementary questions that should have been answered. And if you want to say, last week was the week of Christmas, maybe Cafardo couldn't reach all of his sources. Ok, I can buy that, but you don't have to run the story. The Sox got Jeremy Hermida at the end of October (almost two months ago) so this isn't a breaking news type story. It could have been held for one more week.

This was a complete waste of my time and Cafardo's time. He should be doing better.


Exactly. I don't mean to say that he has to have a conclusion in order to talk about someone....but just randomly spewing comments with no purpose isn't useful either.
 
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