Race and the Red Sox

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So you think the Red Sox are lying when they apologized to Jones and said no player should be the subject of any kind of racism?
I don't think they're "lying". If you read the apology, all it says is that no player should have objects thrown at them nor be subjected to racial taunts (all true). It was confirmed that something was thrown at him, my point is just that the other part doesn't seem to be confirmed by anyone but Jones.

I don't live in Boston anymore, but I go to a lot of games in a lot of sports in a lot of venues, and I can't think of one place I've been in the last 10 years where a fan screaming the N word would not be outed to security by the people around him. It's just not acceptable to the general public, and I'm having trouble believing that a crowd of New England people would sit there and listen to that and then help the guy hide from security.

Maybe I'm wrong. If so, that's sad.
 

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Well, resident genius and claimed attendee bigchara33 says he heard "nigga" thrown around. But, you know, not in the racist way.

I don't know if he was really there. Given that he was trying to downplay the racism, it seems like at least one SOSH eyewitness report with some credibility.

If we're going to play which-is-more-likely, I guess I fall on the side that it probably happened given that, (1) they threw peanuts at him and nobody disputes that and seemingly nobody called that out to security and the idea is plausible that someone who throws peanuts at a player has a fairly low standard of bad shit he's willing to do or say, (2) there is some history here, (3) it seems unlikely that Jones would just invent something that happened in public, and (4) the Red Sox didn't exactly deny it. The only thing I really have on the other side of the scale is that I want it not to be true, which is kind of not really evidence. So, I'm going with, it seems like it probably happened.

Edit: Oh, and it seems like a larger than usual number of people got ejected, which I think also is some corroboration that fans with impulse control and repulsive behavior problems were in attendance. That such idiots drew a magic line at not saying racist things strikes me as possible, but in the face of Jones' claim, highly implausible.
 

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Well, resident genius and claimed attendee bigchara33 says he heard "nigga" thrown around. But, you know, not in the racist way.

I don't know if he was really there. Given that he was trying to downplay the racism, it seems like at least one SOSH eyewitness report with some credibility.

If we're going to play which-is-more-likely, I guess I fall on the side that it probably happened given that, (1) they threw peanuts at him and nobody disputes that and seemingly nobody called that out to security and the idea is plausible that someone who throws peanuts at a player has a fairly low standard of bad shit he's willing to do or say, (2) there is some history here, (3) it seems unlikely that Jones would just invent something that happened in public, and (4) the Red Sox didn't exactly deny it. The only thing I really have on the other side of the scale is that I want it not to be true, which is kind of not really evidence. So, I'm going with, it seems like it probably happened.

Edit: Oh, and it seems like a larger than usual number of people got ejected, which I think also is some corroboration that fans with impulse control and repulsive behavior problems were in attendance. That such idiots drew a magic line at not saying racist things strikes me as possible, but in the face of Jones' claim, highly implausible.
The guy who threw the peanuts is not alleged to have said anything and he was immediately ejected per the Sox and a couple of people I heard on the radio.
Other than that I agree with what you said.
 

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I don't think they're "lying". If you read the apology, all it says is that no player should have objects thrown at them nor be subjected to racial taunts (all true). It was confirmed that something was thrown at him, my point is just that the other part doesn't seem to be confirmed by anyone but Jones.

I don't live in Boston anymore, but I go to a lot of games in a lot of sports in a lot of venues, and I can't think of one place I've been in the last 10 years where a fan screaming the N word would not be outed to security by the people around him. It's just not acceptable to the general public, and I'm having trouble believing that a crowd of New England people would sit there and listen to that and then help the guy hide from security.

Maybe I'm wrong. If so, that's sad.
You're wrong.

It's not binary, that because there's no indication that the other fans outed this dick, that they actively concealed him from security. There's an intermediate - most people are conflict adverse, and there's always the Kitty Genovese syndrome at work, where no-one wants to be the first to jump in. Besides, the bleachers aren't exactly the Newport high rent district, and I don't know that they are actively patrolled by security. (It's been a long time since I've sat there.)

I think you're reaching for something here.
 

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The guy who threw the peanuts is not alleged to have said anything and he was immediately ejected per the Sox and a couple of people I heard on the radio.
Other than that I agree with what you said.
Ok, that's kind of reassuring. Still, it is sort of indicative of a group mentality taking over and I can see a correlation between willing to cross that line and racist comments by others. But, yeah, not quite as strong.
 

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As both a Sox fan and a human being, I'm incredibly disgusted to hear about what happened at the game last night, and I'm heartened to see so many fellow SOSHers condemning this behavior, as well as engaging with other posters attempting to downplay, minimize, deny, or even outright excuse it.

As others have correctly pointed out, Sox security staff can only do so much. It's up to US (I'm white, and I'm speaking mostly to white people here) to confront people directly when they use racist language or make racist gestures, whether it's at the ballpark or ANYWHERE. People need to hear from their friends, family members, co-workers, and fellow fans that it's not OK. The same goes for homophobia, misogyny, and any other type of discriminatory or offensive language. It's not easy, and it's uncomfortable, but we have to do it if things are ever going to change.

It doesn't matter if this happens in other cities. It's happening HERE, in our city, with our team, with our fans, and it's time to stop ignoring it or dismissing it. I understand that people want to share their own experiences of going to Fenway and not hearing this kind of language, because people think it shows that it's not a widespread, pervasive issue, but we're past that at this point. It's a real thing, and we have to confront it head-on.

For those still denying that this happens, or discounting the stories from the growing number of players attesting to these incidents, or attempting to explain away bad behavior ("they didn't mean it," "they're not really racist," etc.) or accusing Jones of "playing the race card," you need to look in the mirror and start asking yourself, "Why don't I believe this?" Why is it so hard to accept the experience of a person of color when they say they've been on the receiving end of racism? Why don't we want to believe them? What does that say about ourselves?

It sucks that this shit still happens. And looking in the mirror is uncomfortable. But we have to accept that it exists, accept our own complicity (not speaking up, explaining away, or making excuses), and confront these attitudes directly.

I sincerely hope Adam Jones gets a prolonged standing ovation tonight. He deserves it for what he's had to endure, and for having the courage to speak up about it.
 

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Perhaps the Red Sox outfielders should wait after the top of the first and greet Jones in CF in a display of unity ... to let the potentially offensive fans know that they aren't going to stand for such bullshit.

First thing that came to mind after hearing about this was the day some in the bleachers tormented Jim Eisenreich over his Torette's, to the point where he had to come off the field and get a helmet to play defense
 

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Last time I sat in the bleachers was 2015. I sat there a bunch with my kids over the years, there was always a security guy who would sit right on the wall facing the fans. Is he gone? I imagine that you could still heckle CF'er, but would be caught pretty easily if over the line? I was watching at home last night, and clearly Jones was hot. I wondered if some fans went over the line, sure seems so.
 

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Using that phrase says a lot about you. None of it is good.
Why is that? Are you ignorant to all the recent false claims of racial harassment? There is such a thing as playing the "race card"...if you have an issue with that phrase it also says alot about you...and none of that is good either. The poster cliams he was there & didnt hear it. But, you know, I guess that doesnt fit your agenda. The fact that Jones referenced Donald Trump (WTF?) may shed some light on the whole matter.
 

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Can anyone else that heard Sam Kennedy on EEI confirm that when he started listing off the ejection reasons he mentioned section 69 with the peanut incident? That would be the field boxes on the LF side of the O's dugout which is pretty far from the bleachers. I wonder if that was done when Jones was coming off the field after making one of the two catches where he appeared to be pissed off/gesturing/jawing with the fans.
 

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That's where the black patrons were asked to sit in segregated theaters.

Whether that makes peanuts racist and if this drunk was literate enough to know that is another thing.
I'm not doubting you, but it's news to me and not mentioned in Wikipedia. This link discusses the origin and the idea that the origin was race related is debatable.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/

Regardless, I'd give Jones a standing ovation. Both to show I abhor racism and to recognize his courage to speak up.
 

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Can anyone else that heard Sam Kennedy on EEI confirm that when he started listing off the ejection reasons he mentioned section 69 with the peanut incident? That would be the field boxes on the LF side of the O's dugout which is pretty far from the bleachers. I wonder if that was done when Jones was coming off the field after making one of the two catches where he appeared to be pissed off/gesturing/jawing with the fans.
I didn't hear Kennedy say that but I did hear someone who was in section 69 say on the radio this morning that is where the peanut incident took place.
Per this guy Jones was always the last guy in the dugout and his team mates would always get him the ball. He would then stand on the top steps and toss the ball to someone in the stands. Per this guy the incident occurred after the 3rd or 4th inning and the guy who did it was alone, drunk, was pestering other fans and had moved to the seats after the game started with his presumption being they weren't his real seats.
 

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I was at the game last night. I have season tickets in the bleachers. There absolutely were people dropping n bombs on Adam Jones last night. It was hard to miss if you were within two sections of the nonsense. There seemed to be 2-3 people where it was coming from.

As to why it might not have been reported? The bleachers have come a long way since I originally bought tickets back in 2004. Back then I would estimate there was a fight every third game. And I mean a real knock down drag outfist fight. That's largely been eliminated. However, there is still quite a bit of intimidating behavior that goes on, and the Sox staff either does not want to get involved or is clueless.

It's completely disgusting.
I've seen multiple posts questioning if this happened or not. I think the post I am quoting is pretty good confirmation
 

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I'm just curious why people are covering for the culprit. Not one eyewitness report besides the one dude here? Hell I've been in the bleachers before when stuff like this has happened. Granted it's been a while that I've seen it at a game but why the code of silence?
 

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Why is that? Are you ignorant to all the recent false claims of racial harassment? There is such a thing as playing the "race card"...if you have an issue with that phrase it also says alot about you...and none of that is good either. The poster cliams he was there & didnt hear it. But, you know, I guess that doesnt fit your agenda. The fact that Jones referenced Donald Trump (WTF?) may shed some light on the whole matter.
Why dont you go ahead and educate us with some links?

Also Adam Jones said it happened. The Red Sox acknowledged it happened and apologized for it. A poster here said he could clearly hear 2-3 people in the bleachers calling Adam Jones the n-word. Why do you think these people all chose to perpetrate this same lie and what agenda do you personally believe it is serving?
 
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Last time I sat in the bleachers was 2015. I sat there a bunch with my kids over the years, there was always a security guy who would sit right on the wall facing the fans. Is he gone? I imagine that you could still heckle CF'er, but would be caught pretty easily if over the line? I was watching at home last night, and clearly Jones was hot. I wondered if some fans went over the line, sure seems so.
There is usually security on the wall above the 420 marker as that's right across from the entrance to those sections of the bleachers, but during the innings there isn't usually visible security in the front of the RF bleachers (they are in the entry tunnels, at best) or towards the triangle (possibly in the old camera position nearest the flagpole)
 

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I'm not doubting you, but it's news to me and not mentioned in Wikipedia. This link discusses the origin and the idea that the origin was race related is debatable.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/

Regardless, I'd give Jones a standing ovation. Both to show I abhor racism and to recognize his courage to speak up.
It's a bit off track, but I've heard the term "peanut gallery" used in a non-racist manner for many times over many years before I've heard any connotation that the phrase has racist undertones.

However, that doesn't change the fact that based on what's been reported, I'm not willing to give the peanut tosser the benefit of the doubt. Nor any of the racist jerks that were using obviously derogatory phrases. The lurkers suddenly appearing out of the woodwork also do not deserve much benefit of the doubt either. A lot of the excuses I've seen in this thread could at best be described as "hypertechnical".

The city and the team will always have a stain, and it is indeed unfortunate that the hot-takez folks will jump on this incident and make it representative of the city and the team as a whole, yada-yada, etc. However, that doesn't change the fact that the behavior described was disgraceful. The standing ovation would be a great way for the true fans of the team, the sport, and the city to respond.
 

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Why is that? Are you ignorant to all the recent false claims of racial harassment? There is such a thing as playing the "race card"...if you have an issue with that phrase it also says alot about you...and none of that is good either. The poster cliams he was there & didnt hear it. But, you know, I guess that doesnt fit your agenda. The fact that Jones referenced Donald Trump (WTF?) may shed some light on the whole matter.
You have to be an ignorant, sheltered person to use the term 'race card' as if people of color don't have to deal with race issues unless they, you know, want to.

This type of stuff transcends the laundry and is completely unacceptable. Acknowledging that it happened (or happens) doesn't mean you're saying it represents Bostonians or Red Sox fans, but trying to argue that it can't simply because you don't want to believe it does nothing except excuse and promote that kind of behavior. There is utterly no place for that.

Yeah, it sucks right now to hear pundits in the national news call us all racist, but that is nothing compared to dealing with actual racism thrown at you like multiple players have complained about.
 

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Why not? I would like to hear him try to defend such abhorent behavior? To SJH...suppose the fan did not really have tickets in that section but was ushered in there after a couple of innings by security? I was at many Sox games as a kid with my father and if my father slipped the usher a few bills and the seats were empty, the usher would look the other way and let us move closer. I only ask because you said the season ticket holders should be banned. Suppose the racist jerk just did what I suggested? Should the season ticket holder lose their tix? Trust me i adbhor this behavior and would give Jones a standing O if I was at game tonight.
 

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So disheartening to hear about this hateful behaviour. I hope EVERYONE in the ballpark tonight stands in support of Adam Jones to make a statement against bigotry.
 

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Seeing so many people try to downplay this is both disappointing and unsurprising. There is no condition under which this is anything than awful. Period.
 

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Seeing so many people try to downplay this is both disappointing and unsurprising. There is no condition under which this is anything than awful. Period.
I get it. It's sad but it might just be people acting against the guilty before innocent culture when it comes to every crime now a days. I believe it happened however I have no problem with fans asking for proof. I remember the Ward situation a few years back and it turned out the tweets weren't from a Bruins fan. But in the public perspective the city was already found guilty and sentenced.

At the same time I get why people "need to see evidence" what I don't get is why are the people around the person who did this protecting him/her? Lots of people on the radio lying today that they heard nothing.
 

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I don't think they're "lying". If you read the apology, all it says is that no player should have objects thrown at them nor be subjected to racial taunts (all true). It was confirmed that something was thrown at him, my point is just that the other part doesn't seem to be confirmed by anyone but Jones.
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(3) it seems unlikely that Jones would just invent something that happened in public.
Exactly. What does Jones gain from crying wolf with this incident?

I'm having trouble believing that a crowd of New England people would sit there and listepn to that and then help the guy hide from security.
Why? Are you unfamiliar with Kitty Genovese, or the bystander effect?
 

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I'm so disappointed to hear the entire story, and read some of the reactions here in this thread.

It's embarrasing to Red Sox fans, to the people of Boston. It should never be part of a baseball game, or anything for that matter. I too hope that people who attend today, take a stand and let Jones, the Orioles, the Sox and anyone who's watching know that we don't tolerate that in this city nor in this group of fans.
 

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Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred issued a statement that any such act -- at any ballpark -- will result in immediate removal and is "subject to further action."

"The racist words and actions directed at Adam Jones at Fenway Park last night are completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated at any of our ballparks," Manfred said. "My office has been in contact with the Red Sox, and the club has made it clear that they will not tolerate this inexcusable behavior.

"Our 30 clubs will continue to work with fans and security to provide a family-friendly environment. Any individual who behaves in such offensive fashion will be immediately removed from the ballpark and subject to further action."

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19294487/boston-red-sox-apologize-fans-racial-taunts-baltimore-orioles-adam-jones
 

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There's no excuse for this behavior.

and there should be ZERO tolerance for it.

And if it means fans ratting out other fans for intolerant racist behavior, and getting tossed, so be it.

Lets leave our racism to politics, keep sports out of it.
 

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Miscellaneous thoughts on this ugly incident:

"Peanut gallery" - from what I understand, this is a pretty old theater term that refers to the cheap seats (where cheap food - peanuts - was available). It's original use was not racist, but it was later used to describe the cheap movie theater seats where blacks had to sit due to Jim Crow laws. My guess about this incident: Similar to what someone else suggested, peanuts were thrown at Jones because they were handy, cheap, and easy to throw some distance (as opposed to, say, popcorn). I doubt the object was used symbolically, mostly because the person throwing it was probably too stupid/drunk/etc. to be thinking in symbolic terms. But the ACT of throwing anything absolutely could have been racially motivated. Or it could have been in response to Jones' reactionary, aggressive motions, which themselves were apparently responding to racist taunts. In any case, throwing stuff on the field and at players is illegal and should get you tossed. I agree with others (and the Sox statement) that further action should be explored.

Racism in big cities - I've lived in the Boston area, D.C. area, Minneapolis. I've seen racism in each place, but, oddly, never at sporting events. Minneapolis is even less diverse than Boston, and even more segregated economically by race. But the culture here is different - far less outspoken and much more passive aggressive. I've probably been to 20 Vikings games and hundreds of Twins games. I've never heard racial taunting at a game here (and I would have remembered it especially if it occurred at a game I took the kids to). But honestly, I can only remember seeing someone get ejected for any reason twice in 25+ years of going to games here. Fans are not nearly as loud and belligerent in general in the Twin Cities as they seem to be on the East Coast. In the 80s, Baltimore's bleachers were bad. Philly's were worse.

Is Boston worse than other places? I don't know. Maybe. For as large a metropolitan area as it is, Boston is more parochial and more demographically and economically segregated than many other more cosmopolitan cities of comparable size, which the data shown by others above tends to show. That creates and maintains problems that transcend the ballpark. But I also agree with others that a reputation once gained is hard to change.

Standing O? Yes, it's a great idea. People need to stand up against crap like this. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." More selfishly, I don't want Sox or other players, particularly African-Americans to think that Boston is not where they want to be.
 

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I'm not doubting you, but it's news to me and not mentioned in Wikipedia. This link discusses the origin and the idea that the origin was race related is debatable.

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/03/origin-phrase-peanut-gallery/

Regardless, I'd give Jones a standing ovation. Both to show I abhor racism and to recognize his courage to speak up.
Honestly, it is all debatable. My point was that I *have* heard that connection, but not the straight relationship that throwing peanuts in of itself has racist connotations. I think we're still waiting for soxhop411 to reply.
 

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There's no excuse for this behavior.

and there should be ZERO tolerance for it.

And if it means fans ratting out other fans for intolerant racist behavior, and getting tossed, so be it.

Lets leave our racism to politics, keep sports out of it.
There should be zero tolerance, fully agreed. It should also be known how many people we are talking here, as 1 person in a crowd of 35,000 should not paint a whole city, but it will. Racist and sexist behavior should be immediately tossed and this just isn't white vs black.
 

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Honestly, it is all debatable. My point was that I *have* heard that connection, but not the straight relationship that throwing peanuts in of itself has racist connotations. I think we're still waiting for soxhop411 to reply.
Sorry just got out of a meeting.

Yes I was referring to the peanut gallery terminology during the Jim Crow era. And I was under the pretense that the Peanut thrower was the same one who called him the N word. Which is why I thought the racist connection was stronger. So I guess i jumped the gun a bit. (Now that we know they were two different people).

Reading Adam Jones comments last night made me think they were the same person
 

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Implying Jones' word on this isn't good enough--before you even get to the Red Sox corroboration and someone that was there--is an embarrassment to this place. As are the grave warnings of ESPN's virtue signaling in an effort to shield the reputation of Boston as a sports city. Two strikes and you're banned for life? But yeah, don't want to virtue signal. How about a ten-infraction tiered plan?

Good for Jones for saying something. Hopefully this all has a chilling effect on the behavior a bit and maybe we can get to the point where the people who aren't saying it are appalled enough to report it.
 

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Sorry just got out of a meeting.

Yes I was referring to the peanut gallery terminology during the Jim Crow era. And I was under the pretense that the Peanut thrower was the same one who called him the N word. Which is why I thought the racist connection was stronger. So I guess i jumped the gun a bit. (Now that we know they were two different people).

Reading Adam Jones comments last night made me think they were the same person
Thank Christ he wasn't eating cotton candy. We never would have gotten that horse back in the barn.
 

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Implying Jones' word on this isn't good enough--before you even get to the Red Sox corroboration and someone that was there--is an embarrassment to this place. As are the grave warnings of ESPN's virtue signaling in an effort to shield the reputation of Boston as a sports city. Two strikes and you're banned for life? But yeah, don't want to virtue signal. How about a ten-infraction tiered plan?

Good for Jones for saying something. Hopefully this all has a chilling effect on the behavior a bit and maybe we can get to the point where the people who aren't saying it are appalled enough to report it.
The people sitting around this guy/girl are just as bad for staying silent. The callers that WEEI and Hub are fielding are awful they're claiming they were at the game and heard nothing? That's a load of crap. Stop protecting these people!!
 

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Later today, when I grab a drink in my NJ suburban bar, I'm going to catch shit over the racists up in Boston. And I will defend Boston while condemning the incident. And then tomorrow or next week, one of these clowns (all white/, 45-65) will make a racist remark, and not think twice about it. And I've told one guy its not cool (we almost came to blows)
Sadly we have a deep racist flavor in the melting pot that does not easily go away.
 

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The people sitting around this guy/girl are just as bad for staying silent. The callers that WEEI and Hub are fielding are awful they're claiming they were at the game and heard nothing? That's a load of crap. Stop protecting these people!!
Yeah that adds nothing to the situation. In a ballpark with over 30K no kidding there are going to be a lot of people who didn't hear it. Why bother calling and commenting? The people who did hear it won't admit it now because they belatedly realize they should have done something about it and don't want to get hammered for it.
 

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The people sitting around this guy/girl are just as bad for staying silent. The callers that WEEI and Hub are fielding are awful they're claiming they were at the game and heard nothing? That's a load of crap. Stop protecting these people!!
I made the mistake of reading the comments section of this piece by Olney. If you can make it past the argument that Olney's stance is part of "ESPN's anti-white agenda," you have a higher tolerance for garbage than I do.

http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post/_/id/16598/olney-mlb-must-declare-war-on-racist-language-at-ballparks

I then skipped around a bit and found tweets on the matter from folks like Gammons and other media members. They're all getting the same sort of bigoted backlash.
 

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This doesn't surprise me - with a crowd of over 30,000 people you're going to get a few jackasses every once in a while. What does surprise me is that the surrounding fans tolerated it and allowed it to go on. I find that much more depressing.
Agreed.
I go to a lot of Patriots games and the 300 level of Gillette is pretty damn bad (although more homophobic taunts than racist, but whatever). I always tell people to knock it off, which usually then gets taunts directed at me, but only briefly, when everyone else responds not by laughing but by stony silence. Getting this stuff captured on camera is also effective.
 

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I am very surprised by that number. I would have guessed about 5-6 people were ushered out last night.

I'll leave it to @thestardawg to provide commentary on the number of people being ushered out in that area but 30 people being kicked out of anywhere in the park for various infractions (underage drinking, fake ID, general drunkenness, random fight, etc.) doesn't seem that odd. If there were 30 people being kicked out of one section of the park over the course of the night it would probably be noticeable.[/QUOT
 

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Agreed.
I go to a lot of Patriots games and the 300 level of Gillette is pretty damn bad (although more homophobic taunts than racist, but whatever). I always tell people to knock it off, which usually then gets taunts directed at me, but only briefly, when everyone else responds not by laughing but by stony silence. Getting this stuff captured on camera is also effective.
What surprises me is that no videos have surfaced of this. People are so apt to record bad behavior on their phones these days I'm amazed nothing has come to light. If you don't have the guts to call the person out at least record this kind of baloney and show it to the authorities so proper action can be taken. We can only hope that something like this IS happening today and Red Sox security and or Boston Police are dealing with it.
 

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Later today, when I grab a drink in my NJ suburban bar, I'm going to catch shit over the racists up in Boston. And I will defend Boston while condemning the incident. And then tomorrow or next week, one of these clowns (all white/, 45-65) will make a racist remark, and not think twice about it. And I've told one guy its not cool (we almost came to blows)
Sadly we have a deep racist flavor in the melting pot that does not easily go away.

Nice how you painted middle aged whites with a broad brush.
 

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Implying Jones' word on this isn't good enough--before you even get to the Red Sox corroboration and someone that was there--is an embarrassment to this place. As are the grave warnings of ESPN's virtue signaling in an effort to shield the reputation of Boston as a sports city. Two strikes and you're banned for life? But yeah, don't want to virtue signal. How about a ten-infraction tiered plan?

Good for Jones for saying something. Hopefully this all has a chilling effect on the behavior a bit and maybe we can get to the point where the people who aren't saying it are appalled enough to report it.
Red Sox management did not corroborate the racist language accusation. They said today that "we take Adam Jones at his word". Which implies pretty strongly that is the only evidence of which they are aware.

You can be against racism (and against crappy fan behavior in general) and still wait for evidence before smearing an entire city. It's good of the Red Sox to take a strong stand against the alleged behavior, but they're doing so without saying they are aware it actually happened last night.
 

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Red Sox management did not corroborate the racist language accusation. They said today that "we take Adam Jones at his word". Which implies pretty strongly that is the only evidence of which they are aware.

You can be against racism (and against crappy fan behavior in general) and still wait for evidence before smearing an entire city. It's good of the Red Sox to take a strong stand against the alleged behavior, but they're doing so without saying they are aware it actually happened last night.
You not taking Adam Jones at his word is an embarrassment. The preoccupation with making sure Boston doesn't come out "smeared" is just sort of sad.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Good luck in the search for corroboration, Captaincoop.
 

Captaincoop

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You not taking Adam Jones at his word is an embarrassment. The preoccupation with making sure Boston doesn't come out "smeared" is just sort of sad.

Anyway, I've said my piece. Good luck in the search for corroboration, Captaincoop.
Well your piece is factually incorrect, but at least you can feel good about yourself.

I'm done with this topic because I was not there, and maybe this really did happen. But none of us are real sure. If it really did happen, shame on whoever said it and shame on the hundreds of people who must have heard it and done nothing.
 

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What surprises me is that no videos have surfaced of this. People are so apt to record bad behavior on their phones these days I'm amazed nothing has come to light. If you don't have the guts to call the person out at least record this kind of baloney and show it to the authorities so proper action can be taken. We can only hope that something like this IS happening today and Red Sox security and or Boston Police are dealing with it.
We don't know that people didn't get it on video. Or that people didn't rat these idiots out. It hasn't even been 24 hours.

Jesus, put your fucking pitchforks down.
 

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Nice how you painted middle aged whites with a broad brush.
I broad brushed our society, you know the one that is currently seeing racism/anti-semitism on the rise..

But I gave you a snippet of some white guys age 45-65 who I share a drink within in an upper middle class/middle class NJ bar, who from time to time tell racist//anti-semitic/sexist jokes. It makes me feel uncomfortable, and I've had words with one of these clowns.

I'm sorry if my depiction offends you.
 
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JohntheBaptist

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Well your piece is factually incorrect, but at least you can feel good about yourself.
Ah, there it is. I can "feel good about myself." I'm being self-righteous. I'm virtue signaling.

Gee I don't know about this claim of hearing racial insults as a black baseball player from the bleachers in Boston, I'd rather keep assuming it might not be true and pretend like its possible this guy could be making it up.

Again, best of luck in your search for corroboration, Captaincoop. I hope you get to the bottom of this. I'll be over here, feeling good about myself.