I know you're referring to his bat, but the kid has such a joyousness to him that is distinctively Ortizian.
The right structure would let him fit nicely into the spots left by the Sox no longer paying Pedroia $12m/per (after this year) and Price $16m/per (after next year). Unfortunately, JDM and Eovaldi are also FA after next year, so things will get interesting.
Honest question, but do we think JDM and Eovaldi are the kind of guys that Chaim extends?
I think objectively, Raffy’s weight has fluctuated the last few years which is likely a sign that it will be something that he battles his entire career.
Devers has the same exact build per their Baseball Reference pages as Juan Uribe - they’re both about 6 feet 240 pounds (Raffy looks like he’s slimmed down a bit from there). Obviously Devers is a much better (and different) hitter, but fat Uribe remained a relatively productive starter through his age 36 season. During Uribe’s age 34-36 seasons he averaged .281/.329/.432 (113 OPS+).
Honest question, but do we think Devers is the kind of guy that Chaim extends? And by that I don’t mean the player but the extension. Has Bloom expressed any interest in signing the next iteration of the Rendon / Arenado 7-8 year contract?
There’s not much precedent because the Rays didn’t often sign players to these sorts of extensions, and when they do it’s partly a double-down bet intended to enhance their trade value. But — though we can’t fully attribute this to Bloom — one big exception there is Longoria, who signed a 6-year, $100M extension after his fifth season, which is where Devers is at now.
Is Longoria an exception? It looks like he was traded to SF a year into that extension.
To be clear, my question has nothing to do with Devers and everything to do with the contract.
One year into the extension but 5 years after he signed it. Maybe that was their intention all along, or maybe it gave them flexibility to see how he looked as he entered his 30's. FWIW, the stats show that they traded him at precisely the correct time.
I’m not sure that the extension Longoria signed a decade ago is the precedent that Devers’ deal will follow. Contracts have not only grown more expensive but significantly longer. Also, I don’t believe that inking Devers to a contract and then trading him a year in is exactly what Sox fans have in mind when they talk about wrapping up Devers longterm.
Okay, Xander signed his 2 years ago, and it was for 6 years with an opt out. $120M instead of the $100M that Longoria got. This seems realistic for Devers.
If you are Devers’ agent, why is that contract reasonable when compared to Rendon’s 7/$245M (12/11/19) or Arenado’s 8/$260M (2/26/19) deals?
Because those guys were free agents or soon to be free agents. Signing Devers will be less because you are buying out arb years.
If Devers finishes out a great year this year and has 2 more great years after that he still is highly unlikely to earn more than $50m over his next 3 seasons, so if you knock about 50m or so off those contracts then you're looking at a more reasonable extension number if he wants that many years now, probably a bit less too because Devers doesn't project as a long term 3rd baseman unlike those guys which cuts into his value
Would you feel more comfortable using Bregman’s extension as a comp? He signed for 5-6 years (depending on how you construe the signing bonus) for $100M two years and what will be three seasons ago as a pre-arbitration player, and the Astros bought out his three arbitration seasons but only locked in his first two free agent years.
He‘s making $4.575M this year and is under team control for the next two seasons. What would you project to be his salaries in his Arbitration 2 and 3 seasons?
I scrolled down and found it. Sorry if I was being out of line. I'll try not to do it again.
No worries. just when you know it’s the wrong thread by a “not to derail” caveat, that should suggest to you that there exists a better thread or you should start a new thread.
Would absolutely floor me if Raffy isn't on the '23 team. His bat is historically good. They'll find a place for it.
I think that his fielding issues will keep him significantly below 12/360. Mookie and Lindor can actually field, and very well.
He hits like Machado and fields like Machado if you made him play with no glove and 1 arm behind his back, I'd be stunned if he gets a bigger deal than Machado got, or really even close to it, unless salaries across the board completely skyrocket in the next 2 years
Dalbec has played hundreds of pro games at 3rd base in his career before this year, Devers has played 0 at 1st base, not exactly the same thing.
Machado got 10/300, seems about where Devers will likely land. But yeah, the fact he’s a terrible fielder is the entire point. If you are gonna give a guy ~30m per for a decade you need to figure out where he plays and how that fits in with the rest of the team. Thinking that he will sign at a discount because he is lousy at third seems unrealistic.
It’s not signing at a discount, I just think his market will just be lower than Machado’s because he’s below average defensively.
I'm agreeing with this- closer to 10/25.-especially if he has two years of arbitration bought out in that contract. I'd prefer something like an 8 year deal and would bet after that expires.... if he was still a great bat, there'd be even less of a market as he'd likely be a DH only by that point.
This makes sense but my guess is Xander opts out and is no longer on the team in '23. It really will be his last chance to cash in big, and I suspect the Red Sox won't want to pay him through age 38 season or whatever. Then again, they do tend overcompensate for past mistakes (Betts) even from PR perspective, and might again with X. I've been bullish on Duran, but jury still out if he can be a productive major leaguer.
Hernandez is only signed through ‘22, so if you want him on the ‘23 team, you will need to extend him. I don’t see how they can resign Schwarber, extend Devers and Bogaerts, especially as Verdugo, Arroyo, and Renfroe will be more expensive via arb. That’s basically this years team, but older and much more expensive.
Yup. He's big and kinda stiff. Works okay at 1B (in theory if not in practice thus far). Doesn't bode well for 3B. If management felt Dalbec was the better defensive option at 3B, they probably would have tried Devers at 1B by now. And I don't mean just this season, but last year after they traded Moreland and the season was lost would have been a good time.
