RD2 #5/#37: S Kyle Dugger, Lenoir-Rhyne

54thMA

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The blocker pushing him down from behind and then repeatedly pounding on his back while he tried to get up from the ground...was that the giveaway?
Question for you (or anyone else who may be able to enlighten me)..............this may sound like a stupid question, but are officials in the NFL ever held accountable, ie, does someone look at some of the horrible non calls or horrible calls and do any of these guys have to be accountable for them, or do they just skate and continue to make shitty calls.

In the Denver game, they ruled the Bronco runner crossed the goal line and it was a TD late in the game prior to him fumbling; the replay wasn't even close.

So, is there any accountability system in the NFL does anyone know?

Just curious, some of the calls/non calls are horrendous.
 

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Question for you (or anyone else who may be able to enlighten me)..............this may sound like a stupid question, but are officials in the NFL ever held accountable, ie, does someone look at some of the horrible non calls or horrible calls and do any of these guys have to be accountable for them, or do they just skate and continue to make shitty calls.

In the Denver game, they ruled the Bronco runner crossed the goal line and it was a TD late in the game prior to him fumbling; the replay wasn't even close.

So, is there any accountability system in the NFL does anyone know?

Just curious, some of the calls/non calls are horrendous.
I read that the refs in the Denver game made the bad TD call to make sure the play would be auto reviewed - they were short-handed due to injury, didn’t have a good angle on it.
 

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Question for you (or anyone else who may be able to enlighten me)..............this may sound like a stupid question, but are officials in the NFL ever held accountable, ie, does someone look at some of the horrible non calls or horrible calls and do any of these guys have to be accountable for them, or do they just skate and continue to make shitty calls.

In the Denver game, they ruled the Bronco runner crossed the goal line and it was a TD late in the game prior to him fumbling; the replay wasn't even close.

So, is there any accountability system in the NFL does anyone know?

Just curious, some of the calls/non calls are horrendous.
There’s lots of accountability. NFL officials are individually graded each week. They have a call with the league office each week following games where both questionable and missed calls are reviewed. Low graded officials don’t get playoff games and the league routinely weeds out the bottom of the roster.
 

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While i have seen some good things, does it worry anyone else that he cant seem to cover any TEs?
Seems like alot of Big catches and his Tackle numbers are inflated because he tackling guys he is covering who have made catches.

Nit picky?
Great plays by the opposition?
Young kid still growing into the role?

His hitting and run support are decent to very good. His coverage. Ehh....
I think it is a pretty rare rookie DB who can come in and blanket WR's or TEs in the NFL. The game is just so much faster and more complex than even FCS-level college game, and Dugger is coming from D-2.

And last week's shitshow not withstanding, if you are an OC or QB looking across at a defensive backfield with Gilmore, JCJ, Jones, the McCourty twins and a rookie, where are you throwing it?

A long, long time ago, I went to the first home game of Raymond Clayborn's rookie year. IIRC, it was against the Chiefs and Mike Haynes was lined up at the other corner slot. Suffice to say, they threw at Clayborn over and over (who would throw at Haynes??) and he did not look good. He would have made Duane Starks, Darius Butler, or Jonathan Wilhite look away. Clayborn ended up being a pretty good cover CB.
 

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And last week's shitshow not withstanding, if you are an OC or QB looking across at a defensive backfield with Gilmore, JCJ, Jones, the McCourty twins and a rookie, where are you throwing it?
It's not just last week - the Pats pass D is allowing the most yards per pass attempt of any team in the NFL. The pass D has been flat out terrible this season. So the answer to your question is basically "everywhere."
 

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Pats' pass D:

#25 in NFL in passer rating against (98.6)
#28 in opp pass completion percentage (69.1%)
#25 in opp pass TD percentage (5.7%)
#32 in opp pass yds per attempt (8.7)
#28 in sacks (13)
#32 in QB hits (37)
#24 in sack % (4.4%)
#26 in passes defended (34)
#30 in TFL (29) - not so much a pass D stat but still

About the only thing vis-a-vis pass defense that they're good at is intercepting the ball:

#2 in interception percentage (3.9%)
#4 in interceptions (11)

But much of this falls on three things:

(1) An almost total lack of pass rush. Not only don't they generate sacks, they hardly ever even put pressure on the QB. Which, as we know, makes it MUCH more difficult to pass defend. Gilmore's SB-sealing INT came on a devastating zero blitz, not from some amazing coverage, for example.

(2) Jason McCourty. Getting tons of snaps and has been one of the absolute worst cover guys in the entire NFL this year.

(3) Linebackers in coverage. Cannot cover opposing RBs or TEs. It's painful to watch.

Honestly, Gilmore, Jones, and Jackson have actually been fine. Not otherworldly like they were last year and the year before, but they've all been above average pass defenders this year. If they were getting consistent pressure on the QB, these three would be looking even better. On the TD that Gilmore gave up to Metcalf, for example, he gave up ground early but caught up and it was incredible that the pass got past his arm - he was *right there*. But Wilson had all day to throw it and so he lofted an absolutely perfect pass to Metcalf. If they had forced Wilson to move or run, he likely doesn't complete that pass, and Gilmore's stats look better.
 

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There’s lots of accountability. NFL officials are individually graded each week. They have a call with the league office each week following games where both questionable and missed calls are reviewed. Low graded officials don’t get playoff games and the league routinely weeds out the bottom of the roster.
Thanks for the information, good to know they get graded week by week and those who grade poorly don't get playoff games or get weeded out.

As they should.
 
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Back to Dugger. Recent way-too-soon nickname suggestions inspired by a call into Patriots Unfiltered because this is what's important:

"Duggernaut" (caller). "Grave Dugger" (Fred Kirsch).