Are we sure about that? I didn't see enough videos to know if he has the leg to consistently get touchbacks at the NFL level.It doesn't surprise me why this thread has the most posts. I feel the outrage too. I mean who would have thought Bailey would lose KO duties?
I was just making light of the controversy. One position I have no idea how to scout is kicker and punter. I mean I know things like distance and hang time are important but I don't know enough about mechanics of it athough @Brand Name has been very helpful there. I think it was interesting that they went with Ross given that he was not mentioned or listed by more of the highly regarded publications but specialists are a different breed and people on the outside have less of an idea on these things than other positions and even less-so this year given COVID. I also wonder who they bring in veteran kicker wise to compete with him. I would imagine they have a kicker battle this year in camp.Are we sure about that? I didn't see enough videos to know if he has the leg to consistently get touchbacks at the NFL level.
Just in case anyone missed thisI think it's now a good time to move any further non-football specific/political discussions to V&N.
Yeah, we have entire sewer built for that stuff. But people still insist on having V&N Saladfights here.
33 touchbacks on 62 kickoffs. Don’t really have a sense of whether that’s good.Are we sure about that? I didn't see enough videos to know if he has the leg to consistently get touchbacks at the NFL level.
Why would you expect a kicker battle? The Pats took him where they did (against most expectations apparently), so they believed he had something that the others did not, or even the parade of kickers from last year. Personally, I was intrigued by the Youtube trick shot artist from last year. When it comes to special teams, doesn't BB spend more when he views them to be solid for a long period of time? The long snapper Joe Cardona wasn't expected to be drafted (I don't think), but people were saying he was the best pure long snapper in years. BB drafted him, essentially paying a premium for the skill/consistency. I'm NOT saying this kicker is in the same category of "best in a while" or anything, but doesn't this sound like BBs pattern of paying a premium for someone he really likes on STs? If that pattern is accurate, why bring in competition for him immediately? Maybe later in camp if he spits the bit or something, but I don't see the point of it out of the gate.I was just making light of the controversy. One position I have no idea how to scout is kicker and punter. I mean I know things like distance and hang time are important but I don't know enough about mechanics of it athough @Brand Name has been very helpful there. I think it was interesting that they went with Ross given that he was not mentioned or listed by more of the highly regarded publications but specialists are a different breed and people on the outside have less of an idea on these things than other positions and even less-so this year given COVID. I also wonder who they bring in veteran kicker wise to compete with him. I would imagine they have a kicker battle this year in camp.
Can you think of a better term for people Ineffectually flinging random things at one another?WTF is a salad fight? Is this some type of Russkie bot slang?
Husband and wifeCan you think of a better term for people Ineffectually flinging random things at one another?
That's when people toss salad back and forth at each other.WTF is a salad fight? Is this some type of Russkie bot slang?
Ghost battled Martin Gramatica back in 2006 and he was a 4th round pick. Last year Bailey had to win it. Before that BB took that left footed punter as a UDFA but couldn’t sneak him onto the PS. BB rarely puts all his eggs in one basket especially on a rookie kicker or punter from the limited amount of times we have seen that. There is always competition.Why would you expect a kicker battle? The Pats took him where they did (against most expectations apparently), so they believed he had something that the others did not, or even the parade of kickers from last year. Personally, I was intrigued by the Youtube trick shot artist from last year. When it comes to special teams, doesn't BB spend more when he views them to be solid for a long period of time? The long snapper Joe Cardona wasn't expected to be drafted (I don't think), but people were saying he was the best pure long snapper in years. BB drafted him, essentially paying a premium for the skill/consistency. I'm NOT saying this kicker is in the same category of "best in a while" or anything, but doesn't this sound like BBs pattern of paying a premium for someone he really likes on STs? If that pattern is accurate, why bring in competition for him immediately? Maybe later in camp if he spits the bit or something, but I don't see the point of it out of the gate.
Do you see something in BB's habits or patterns that indicates differently? Edit: other than the fact that BB would probably bring someone to compete with his dog if he thought it would improve the team.
Can you think of a better term for people Ineffectually flinging random things at one another?
I forgot about Gramatica. I guess bringing in competition makes more sense for BB's patterns than not - even a desired kicker. Thanks for the example.Ghost battled Martin Gramatica back in 2006 and he was a 4th round pick. Last year Bailey had to win it. Before that BB took that left footed punter as a UDFA but couldn’t sneak him onto the PS. BB rarely puts all his eggs in one basket especially on a rookie kicker or punter from the limited amount of times we have seen that. There is always competition.
Did you catch the way he partially switched into scout mode when talking about Nike? Uses his paws well. Good something something.Why would you expect a kicker battle? The Pats took him where they did (against most expectations apparently), so they believed he had something that the others did not, or even the parade of kickers from last year. Personally, I was intrigued by the Youtube trick shot artist from last year. When it comes to special teams, doesn't BB spend more when he views them to be solid for a long period of time? The long snapper Joe Cardona wasn't expected to be drafted (I don't think), but people were saying he was the best pure long snapper in years. BB drafted him, essentially paying a premium for the skill/consistency. I'm NOT saying this kicker is in the same category of "best in a while" or anything, but doesn't this sound like BBs pattern of paying a premium for someone he really likes on STs? If that pattern is accurate, why bring in competition for him immediately? Maybe later in camp if he spits the bit or something, but I don't see the point of it out of the gate.
Do you see something in BB's habits or patterns that indicates differently? Edit: other than the fact that BB would probably bring someone to compete with his dog if he thought it would improve the team.
I didn't but it wouldn't surprise if he created a scouting report on the dog prior to bringing him home.Did you catch the way he partially switched into scout mode when talking about Nike? Uses his paws well. Good something something.
Am I the only one here old enough to remember food fights in school cafeterias?No, it's fine. I thought I missed some linguistic flair from a top 5 poster.
I hope you don’t let your wife read this board, that fight would require the police. And involve a lot more violence than the V&N monkey poo-flinging contests do.Husband and wife
I was referencing my parents.I hope you don’t let your wife read this board, that fight would require the police. And involve a lot more violence than the V&N monkey poo-flinging contests do.
Just in case anyone missed this
Appreciate both of you & others who've contributed to the thread so far. Also, I'll be outright moving non-football posts into V&N or P&G from this point forward.With respect to the other dopes who've asked the political stuff be stopped in this thread, I'll stop with this post.
Old enough to have been asked to eat from home for a day or two because of a food fight in the cafeteria. Apparently condiments are hard to clean off upper windows in a cafeteria, which I took the heat for after being identified as inciting said food fight. And I can tell you the conversation I had with my mom after that could not be characterized as a salad fight. lol It was more like a game of 1-2-3-backhand, which wasn't nearly as fun.Am I the only one here old enough to remember food fights in school cafeterias?
No, I agree. I was just wondering IF BB looks at all at the views of others as a data point. My point was not to criticize. It's just interesting to me the extent to which Bill is a maverick and I wonder if his decision making also implies that he does not mine any outside information and factor it in to some extent.Just out of curiosity, doesn't the Patriots run of success over the last 20 years imply they are collectively doing something better than the rest of the league (in terms of playoff/championship results)? If BB listened to the pundits (like Borges?) and others, Brady was done 6-8 years ago. There's 2 superbowls gone from the team, etc. I don't mean to say "in Bill we trust", because that's not it. But for me, it's certainly "in Bill I trust more than some half baked pundit who's trying to generate clicks versus building a team with expectations of winning". Or am I missing your point?
I’m guessing no. The Pats employ a small army of scouts and analysts who break down more film than the pundits do, talk to more people, and actually go and watch these kids play. And they are focused on the entire draft population, whereas a guy like Kiper (not picking on him, he’s just the most prominent pundit) spends more of his time on the first round, since that’s what he mocks repeatedly and talks about on TV pre-draft. He knows enough about the later round guys to speak intelligently about them during draft coverage, but I’m sure he has nowhere near the depth of knowledge that the Pats do. And he understands somewhere between 0 and 10% of what BB thinks of his current roster, his schematic plans for the coming season, and what he thinks will happen with cut-downs and the like.No, I agree. I was just wondering IF BB looks at all at the views of others as a data point. My point was not to criticize. It's just interesting to me the extent to which Bill is a maverick and I wonder if his decision making also implies that he does not mine any outside information and factor it in to some extent.
What's true with the Pats is true with most if not all NFL teams.I’m guessing no. The Pats employ a small army of scouts and analysts who break down more film than the pundits do, talk to more people, and actually go and watch these kids play. And they are focused on the entire draft population, whereas a guy like Kiper (not picking on him, he’s just the most prominent pundit) spends more of his time on the first round, since that’s what he mocks repeatedly and talks about on TV pre-draft. He knows enough about the later round guys to speak intelligently about them during draft coverage, but I’m sure he has nowhere near the depth of knowledge that the Pats do. And he understands somewhere between 0 and 10% of what BB thinks of his current roster, his schematic plans for the coming season, and what he thinks will happen with cut-downs and the like.
Draft punditry has to be one of the only predictive “industries” where, when the prediction is wrong, especially when the player goes higher, the fault is with the team who didn’t meet the pundit’s expectations and not the fault of the pundit. It’s like projecting a stock to hit $200 by year’s end and then blaming people for not having bought it when it doesn’t.
I wasn't intending to reduce criticism, I was only attempting to say that of the probably hundreds of outside data point sources that he does value, with the possible(?) exception of perhaps Lombardi or Weis (that he knows and has worked with), media pundits don't meet his standard of valuable. I dare say that he'd find a conversation with the least senior locker room staff at big state u (who could tell him if player x was really in the gym when he was supposed to be) more valuable than someone who's on screen talking up that player because of whatever bias s/he has.No, I agree. I was just wondering IF BB looks at all at the views of others as a data point. My point was not to criticize. It's just interesting to me the extent to which Bill is a maverick and I wonder if his decision making also implies that he does not mine any outside information and factor it in to some extent.
Thanks. That fits right in with their actions.Leading up to the draft a few years ago there was a report that the Patriots were one of only a few teams that did not subscribe to the big national scouting services.
They wanted their scouts to look at players without any preconceived notions.
Right, the mocks are almost certainly useless to teams. I don't pay any attention to them from my fan perspective. But I wonder if there are some commentators/analysts/former GMs whose opinions they would at least monitor. Perhaps some teams keep their eyes on what certain, albeit very few, commentators outside the organization have to say.What's true with the Pats is true with most if not all NFL teams.
Kiper's mocks are likely the butt of jokes among the NFL clubhouses, as are most other mocks they see. I don't believe any of the media mocks are given any thought when teams make out their own draft boards.
Raiders liked Mayock enough to bring him into the fold as their GM. Don't think he held any previous football job role that it was based on other than his punditry.Thanks. That fits right in with their actions.
Right, the mocks are almost certainly useless to teams. I don't pay any attention to them from my fan perspective. But I wonder if there are some commentators/analysts/former GMs whose opinions they would at least monitor. Perhaps some teams keep their eyes on what certain, albeit very few, commentators outside the organization have to say.
Among other reasons, it might give them some information as to how some of the others on the board might think, which in turn might affect timing decisions.
I'd love to hear a deep dive interview with Belichick on these topics after he retires for good.
I think Mayock was one of the guys outside of a FO to whom BB paid attention. IIRC BB specifically went to the booth after Mayock's last Pats broadcast and wished him well.Raiders liked Mayock enough to bring him into the fold as their GM. Don't think he held any previous football job role that it was based on other than his punditry.
Belichick had a strong relationship with the late Joel Buchsbaum, too: https://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2011/04/the-time-of-year-i-miss-buchsbaum-and-holovak-the-most/I think Mayock was one of the guys outside of a FO to whom BB paid attention. IIRC BB specifically went to the booth after Mayock's last Pats broadcast and wished him well.
EDIT: some more cool Belichick / Buchsbaum anecdotes here: https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/19/mock-draft-oral-history-mel-kiper-joel-buchsbaum-bill-belichick-todd-mcshayBelichick said every year, the day before the draft, he called Joel and disclosed his draft board. Belichick said he actually made a few changes now and then based on Joel’s evaluations.
We have a new controversy however. That hair cut.Does it matter? I think this interview is more than enough for me:
View: https://youtu.be/tURXszRXVgk
"He's a kid"...something, something Alex Verdugo.We have a new controversy however. That hair cut.
That's very encouraging. Good stuff.Sooo.... back to football, and why this - young man - might be special.... (ducks)
Someone posted it maybe 200 posts back, referencing a serious icing attempt by the WKU coach on his 53 yarder at homecoming last year.
In the interests of bringing the discussion back to Rohrwasser's football skills and makeup, thought maybe reposting the original article by Grant Traylor of the Huntington (WV) Herald-Dispatch on the Marshall homecoming-winning rain-soaked 53-yard career-long as-time-expired FG might be of use.
Rohrwasser used New York toughness in WKU win
I won't quote it here, but it is not behind a paywall and the scene painted by the writer tells a story of a guy with a healthy dose of both talent and confidence -- and a little bit of a showman in him as well. Oh, and he was 4-4 on the day, with field goals of 46, 31, 43 and 53 yards, improving to 11 for 11 on the season at that point.
There is a youtube video as well, which only shows the actual game winner and not the two previous attempts or the scene described in the article.
Game Winning FG
#badweatherkicking #iceinhisveins #supremeconfidence #50plusleg. Looking forward to seeing him if we have a season this year.
That’s what I thought when I looked it up. No shit I had no idea no clue. Now playing ACDC High Voltage.I don't know either, but there must be a lot of resistance to it.
I'd think better of him if he did.Why does he hate our troops?
For the better, don't you think?Cancel culture strikes again.
Yes, I was mocking other threads going on today. I'm actually very proud of this kid and hope that he follows our previous two long term kickers.For the better, don't you think?
In my defense, had I been following this thread there’s no way you would have beaten me to this.Why does he hate our troops?