Real Fantasy - Offseason Schedule (Divisional Voting Starts Feb 19th)

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OK, lets get this thing going.  The plan for the offseason is as follows:
 
Overview
 
1) Discussion and voting on divisional winners and losers, wildcard.
2) Discussion and voting on playoffs
3) Offseason draft
 
Divisional Winners and Losers
 
Starting later this week, we'll have new threads opened for each division, two at a time, in which all the owners will make their case for why they should (or should not) be voted "Best Team in the Division" or "Worst Team in Division." We can then have a quick poll in which we take all the "middle" teams in each conference and vote on who should win the two Wild Cards. Hopefully this is over by roughly end of February.
 
Each division has one designated owner who should take the lead in doing the following:
 
(a) starting the thread on time (see schedule below)
(b) providing a basic overview of each team in terms of PFF numbers when you start the thread.
(c) PMing the other three owners in your division to let them know the thread is started and ask them to make their case
(d) After 4-5 days, edit your original post to include two polls ("Which is the best team?" and "Which is the worst team?") and edit the post title to add something like "Now Voting." Don't add the polls when you originally start the thread as we want discussion to occur before voting.
 
Divisional Voting
 
Teams in charge of each division in bold.  Both of the North divisions still need somebody to step up.
 
AFC East (ESC) and NFC East (Laddie) - Open thread Feb 19th.
AFC North (????) and NFC North (????) - Open thread Feb 26th
AFC South (Phragle) and NFC South (MMS) - Open thread March 5th
AFC West (Bakahump) and NFC West (DanooMe) - Open thread March 12th
 
Vote on Wildcards - March 19
 
Playoff Schedule
 
I can start these threads when the time comes but it will be up to the playoff teams themselves to make their case for why they should win the matchup.
 
Wild Card Round Playoffs - March 26
Divisional Round Playoffs - April 2
Conference Championships - April 9
Super Bowl - April 16
 
If we want, we can do slightly less than a week for each round so that we wrap this up more quickly.  But that's a rough schedule.
 
We still need to determine the exact procedure for deciding who wins each playoff round - it will likely be some combination of voting and a luck element.
 
Offseason Draft
 
We'll try to start this as soon as the playoffs are over.  Procedures are as follows, based on what we determined last summer:
 
Draft order based on divisional voting with randomization within groups.  The eight teams voted worst in division will be 1-8 (randomly decided), the remaining non-playoff teams will be 9-20 (randomly decided), then the playoff teams will be 21-32 depending on results of the playoffs (ties broken, ie among all teams eliminated in WC round, by divisional voting percentages).
 
Each team will drop four players of their choosing from their roster.   Each team will also choose 12 players to protect from the draft.
 
We will then have an offseason draft with the draft pool consisting of all unprotected rostered players, all draft eligible collegians, and all non-rostered players.  During this draft, each team can lose a maximum of 2 unprotected rostered players in the draft.  After 2 of your players are selected, the rest of your unprotected rostered players are off-limits and no longer part of the draft pool. 
 
Each team will therefore lose a total of 6 players in the offseason.  Given that we want to expand roster sizes at a gradual rate, the number of draft rounds will be equal to 11.
 
There are no limits on the maximum number of years that players can be kept.
 

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If someone with PFF access wants to lend me their account info, I can take care of the NFC North.
 

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Is there a consensus on how we approach the PFF numbers?  (Ie - from the player pages (not position pages) AND including playoffs, etc).  I've already pulled the regular season only numbers for the NFC North, but it'd be pretty easy to go back and use the playoff-included totals instead.   I also included the snaps played per PFF, to help give the numbers some perspective.  I'm not going to do any weighting of my own - just present the numbers.  The team managers can weight them and explain their rationale when they present their case for their team.
 
At first I was thinking that it didn't really matter, as long as each team in a division had the same starting point, but now I'm wondering if that might be short-sighted.  When we start trying to predict playoff matchups it could be a problem to compare one team with playoff numbers in the analysis to one team without, especially for those without PFF access who can't just look the numbers up quickly.  It might be easiest to just pick a common starting place for the numbers and go from there. 
 

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Well I will be highly unavailable from March 6th to March 12th at SXSW in Austin, so hope I will have time to make a cogent case for my team. ...
 

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Should we start the voting for round 1?
 
Is the plan to start our draft before the real draft? Based on the schedule above, I don't see us completing it prior to the real draft unless we overlap some of these functions.
 

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Also, I don't think anyone has put together full numbers for the North divisions yet. And I will be unable to do the AFC North before the 26th - so SSF? or someone will need to help out.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Also, I don't think anyone has put together full numbers for the North divisions yet. And I will be unable to do the AFC North before the 26th - so SSF? or someone will need to help out.
I can do this.
 

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I'm not sure how to add a poll to the original thread, so should I just start a new thread and have voting commence from there?
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'm not sure how to add a poll to the original thread, so should I just start a new thread and have voting commence from there?
If you Edit the original post, Use Full Editor, and then click "Manage Topic Poll" in the upper right.
 

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Created topic for AFC South since I had the table layouts.  I think owners changed for some teams but I just took them from the Spreadsheet website.
 

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Thanks. Not that I'm not enjoying the discussions, but a few divisions seem to be dominating the chatter. That's fine, except it's stalling discussion of the other divisions. There's plenty of time to keep debates going as we chat about WC teams etc.
 

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I'd be more than willing to start an AFC West thread if baka decides he doesn't want to.  Just let me know, baka!  (I'd probably need to borrow someone's PFF access if that is the case.)
 

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I think we're ready to close out the AFC North. The Souths also look pretty decided. NFC North needs more votes, and the Wests should probably be posted.
 

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Snaps by Divisions That Tracked Them
Average 900   4,339   4,759   5,263   4,513   19,773  
  QB Skill Oline Front 7 Secondary Total
Raiders 656   3,359   5,282   5,631   3,974   18,902  
Chiefs 271   4,084   4,903   3,840   4,120   17,218  
Chargers 401   3,931   5,447   5,559   4,321   19,659  
Broncos 1,290   3,965   4,708   5,596   3,912   19,471  
Bengals 2,215   3,698   4,756   5,643   4,837   21,149  
Ravens 1,186   4,624   6,726   6,461   4,034   23,031  
Steelers 1,189   4,226   3,948   6,720   3,504   19,587  
Browns 848   3,936   5,006   5,605   5,810   21,205  
Bucs 463   4,867   5,294   6,036   5,121   21,781  
Falcons 1,068   5,021   3,936   4,215   4,870   19,110  
Saints 1,006   5,836   4,220   3,272   4,181   18,515  
Panthers 473   3,014   3,412   4,178   4,735   15,812  
Bears 944   5,185   4,803   6,398   4,755   22,085  
Lions 1,035   5,469   4,488   5,220   3,217   19,429  
Packers 643   4,876   5,470   5,380   5,622   21,991  
Vikings 706   3,337   3,740   4,449   5,190   17,422

 
Just a look at where we are with snap counts. I highlighted our team to show where we were above the group average. I think the depth concerns on the Browns were greatly overblown considering we were above average in O-Line, Front 7 and secondary. But yeah, we were about 10% below average on skilled snaps and in the single digits % below the average QB snaps.
 
Look how stacked the AFC North is - we are basically all above average in most categories aside from the Steelers. 
 
Here is how the Browns ranked out of these 16 teams for Snaps
 
QB: 9th
Skilled: 11th
O-Line: 6th
Front 7: 7th
Secondary: 1st
Overall: 5th
 
Overall AFC North for total snaps: 1st, 5th, 6th, and 8th - entire division in the top half.
 

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It looks like all divisions have been decided, even though there are 3 with less than 15 total votes. The NFC North is close and could probably use a few more votes and the bottom in the AFC North is a cluster as well. Either way I think at this point we can see who the top 4 and bottom 4 are in each conference and we should move on to voting for Wildcards. 
 

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So - it seems like some of our rules around the draft have shifted since last this post was updated. The "steal draft" was separated out to be its own 2 round event. And now the real draft will consist of 9 rounds, starting sometime late this week? Early next week? And it will include all non-rostered players, as well as all draft-eligible college players in one major pool, correct?
 

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ragnarok725 said:
So - it seems like some of our rules around the draft have shifted since last this post was updated. The "steal draft" was separated out to be its own 2 round event. And now the real draft will consist of 9 rounds, starting sometime late this week? Early next week? And it will include all non-rostered players, as well as all draft-eligible college players in one major pool, correct?
 
All that changed is that we made the first two rounds of the 11 round offseason draft only for stealing, to reduce confusion and give teams a better sense of their needs, and that we're pausing the rest of the draft until the NFL draft is over.
 

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I'd love to do the same thing again this year as well.  I'm happy to cover the AFC West if necessary.
 

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I'm just here to collect my top 3 pick. Thanks. The sad thing is this year the QB crop is meh aside from some guy who has character issues out the wazoo. Who the hell is going to QB our team?
 

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Same format works for me, I'll start some cat herding tomorrowtop see what we can come up with for a schedule.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

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Format seemed to work well last year so lets do it again. It seems to me like we could just open up all the division discussion threads at the same time (instead of just doing two at a time) and let people comment for a while. I think the key thing is not to put the polls up at the beginning so that there is time for everybody to make their case or discuss the matchups before people start popping into the threads and voting within 10 seconds. So the best thing to do is probably just to start the threads without polls and then edit them later to add polls.