RealFantasy Pigskin - Divisional Champs and Draft Order

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OK, lots of things that we were hoping to do in terms of evaluating teams didn't happen this year, for one reason or another.  The current proposal on the table is a way to both bring a little closure to the previous season and to figure out the draft order for the next draft.  The specifics are below.  Lets use this new thread to argue about whether details need to be tweaked and if there's some rough consensus on a version of this idea, we can go forward next week.
 
We have eight divisions just like the NFL and for each division (we'll do this one at a time) what we're going to do is open up a thread in which the owners of the four teams will be encouraged to give an assessment of their team and make the case for why they're awesome and their competition is shit.  This might involve PFF numbers, other statistics, arguments about your scheme, whatever.
 
After each thread has been open about a week, we'll have a public poll in which people will be encouraged to vote on which team is the best in the division and which team is the worst.
 
Repeating this process eight times will produce a pool of eight division winners, a pool of eight division cellar dwellers, and a pool of 16 middle teams.  The draft order will involve randomization within each group - ie, the first eight picks will go to the cellar dwellers in some random order, then the middle teams in some random order, then the division winners.  It'll be a snake draft though so the teams at the end won't get the top talent but won't get totally screwed either.
 
If there's enthusiasm for doing this, we can also have a series of playoff rounds among the division winners in which we match them up, the teams make a case for why they would win, and then we vote.  Theoretically we should be able to actually determine a champion.
 
Some unresolved issues as I see it:
 
-How do we treat injuries?  Sam Bradford was injured for most of the season so do I have to make the case for why Ryan Mallett would take my guys to the promised land?  That seems like the best course of action to me but its hard to know what we do if there's no backup.
 
-If one person within each division could take the lead on the PFF numbers, that would probably be really helpful.  Not everybody has access.
 
-Should the broader SOSH public be able to vote in the polls or should it be restricted to other RealFantasy owners?
 
 
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
-How do we treat injuries?  Sam Bradford was injured for most of the season so do I have to make the case for why Ryan Mallett would take my guys to the promised land?  That seems like the best course of action to me but its hard to know what we do if there's no backup.
I think we have to assume "replacement-level" performance, certainly below-average if not quite bottom of the league.
 
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
-Should the broader SOSH public be able to vote in the polls or should it be restricted to other RealFantasy owners?
I think everybody should be eligible, though I doubt non-participants will care. Other SoSHers have valid opinions too, and it just gives us bigger samples.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
-How do we treat injuries?  Sam Bradford was injured for most of the season so do I have to make the case for why Ryan Mallett would take my guys to the promised land?  That seems like the best course of action to me but its hard to know what we do if there's no backup.
 
-If one person within each division could take the lead on the PFF numbers, that would probably be really helpful.  Not everybody has access.
 
-Should the broader SOSH public be able to vote in the polls or should it be restricted to other RealFantasy owners?
 
 
 
1. I was under the assumption that if we drafted an uninjured player that they would be considered a full participant even if they were injured during the season. I think we can make a case for what that person would have contributed had they been healthy. As far as retirees go. They're screwed.
 
2. That would be great.
 
3.I think it would be cool if everyone could vote. It would be cool to get a broad spectrum of thoughts on this exercise.
 

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Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
OK, lots of things that we were hoping to do in terms of evaluating teams didn't happen this year, for one reason or another.  The current proposal on the table is a way to both bring a little closure to the previous season and to figure out the draft order for the next draft.  The specifics are below.  Lets use this new thread to argue about whether details need to be tweaked and if there's some rough consensus on a version of this idea, we can go forward next week.
 
We have eight divisions just like the NFL and for each division (we'll do this one at a time) what we're going to do is open up a thread in which the owners of the four teams will be encouraged to give an assessment of their team and make the case for why they're awesome and their competition is shit.  This might involve PFF numbers, other statistics, arguments about your scheme, whatever.
 
After each thread has been open about a week, we'll have a public poll in which people will be encouraged to vote on which team is the best in the division and which team is the worst.
 
Repeating this process eight times will produce a pool of eight division winners, a pool of eight division cellar dwellers, and a pool of 16 middle teams.  The draft order will involve randomization within each group - ie, the first eight picks will go to the cellar dwellers in some random order, then the middle teams in some random order, then the division winners.  It'll be a snake draft though so the teams at the end won't get the top talent but won't get totally screwed either.
 
If there's enthusiasm for doing this, we can also have a series of playoff rounds among the division winners in which we match them up, the teams make a case for why they would win, and then we vote.  Theoretically we should be able to actually determine a champion.
 
Why a snake draft? The NFL draft is perfect and encourages parity, IDK why we'd want to mess with that.
 
So no wildcard teams?
 
The one thing I think is a must is some kind of luck element involved in the playoff games. If we just compare rosters and pick who wins it's takes away the hope, the underdog, the upset, and the 2001 Patriots. My solution would be to take the votes for each team as a percentage and put them into a script that picks the winner with one simulation. I'm having a hard time explaining it, but if a poll has 40 votes, 30 for one team and 10 for the other, the underdog should have a 25% chance of winning. There has to be a script out there that can pick a winner to make it easy right?
 
Super Nomario said:
I think we have to assume "replacement-level" performance, certainly below-average if not quite bottom of the league.
 
I think everybody should be eligible, though I doubt non-participants will care. Other SoSHers have valid opinions too, and it just gives us bigger samples.
 
This.
 

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Nothing to add here. This all sounds great. Looking forward to the threads. Thanks to everyone who's been putting more time in organizing this.
 

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The one thing I think is a must is some kind of luck element involved in the playoff games. If we just compare rosters and pick who wins it's takes away the hope, the underdog, the upset, and the 2001 Patriots. My solution would be to take the votes for each team as a percentage and put them into a script that picks the winner with one simulation. I'm having a hard time explaining it, but if a poll has 40 votes, 30 for one team and 10 for the other, the underdog should have a 25% chance of winning. There has to be a script out there that can pick a winner to make it easy right?
 
I was thinking about something similar the other day and fully agree. Any Given Sunday is what the NFL is all about. I like the idea of giving each team a weighted % (from the poll) and having the teams 'play each other.'
 
I also like the idea of Wild Cards if only it adds a few more teams to a small tournament, but also it might remove a few good teams from that inner tier. The 2nd best team in the league could theoretically get the 9th pick just because they were in a division with the best team. 
 
Lastly, IMO if we are going to do that Super Bowl Tournament than we should obviously use that final ranking for the draft order and not just make it random between the top 8 teams. 
 

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I also think that I would prefer something more than a traditional snake draft. This is the problem with many fantasy keeper leagues, makes it much harder for the poor teams to improve,
 

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I dislike the "snake" draft and prefer a traditional draft.
 
Alot of that is self interest as my team totally blows and should have a top 3 pick. Much of that is due to the team I bought....hell its like if someone bought Jacksonville.
I think the traditional draft gives the same feel of the real NFL. I admit I am not as astute as some posters in regards to player evaluation but also dont feel I am bottom 3. I also dont have access to PFF numbers.  Is that my own fault? Sure, but for essentially a fantasy league with no prize should i really need to lay out real cash?  All that said, there is the possibility I get lucky.  Call it the "Brady Effect".  Perhaps I draft that 1 player that makes my franchise. Or maybe I draft the next Mandarich/Gholston.  Either way the good teams have proven their having good leadership....while teams like mine haven't.  Why continue to let the good teams get better by balancing the talent?  If our goal is to create a facsimile to the real NFL then we need to let teams succeed or flounder just as they do in reality. If you want to "be the Patriots" or "be the Steelers" and have the consistency of above average to elite production every year then choose as they do 28th or 30th every round.  Some of us rotate up to playoff caliber teams  for a few years then back down to also rans is also realistic. Finally we will have a few that are consistently the dregs.  And they(we??I??) will stay the dregs whether this is a snake or straight draft.
 
I also think we should allow trades which would be much easier with a straight draft.
 

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A few ideas.  Feel free to mock, adopt, etc.
 
I think we should set some sort of off-season calendar for this project.  We don't need hard and fast dates, just some general dates to keep this project moving.  So I propose three "periods."
 
1.  Season analysis (February-ish)
 
2.  Free agency/roster adjustment (March-ish)
 
3.  2014 Entry Draft (April-May)
 
And a few thoughts on each period.
 
Season analysisFirst, we start a thread on each division which we keep open for a period of time a few days, a week, whatever.  One thread at a time so we don't lose focus.  Each owner makes a post on their team at the outset, then we can debate for a while, and then use a poll to determine Division Winner, Wild Card Team, and last place team.  That will eventually give us eight playoff teams from each conference.  For the playoffs, I don't know exactly how we would determine seeding, open to suggestions on that.  
 
We then start a thread on each game with a poll.  Now, one way to account for the "upset" factor would be to require a threshold number of votes for the "favorite" to win.  i.e., 65% or so.  If the "favorite" can't garner enough votes, we have an upset.  Maybe that isn't perfect, I don't know.  Again, open to suggestions.  Work our way down to a champion.
 
Then we can determine the draft order.  First eight draft choices go to the eight "last place" teams from each division.  We might just randomize those.  Next eight draft choices go to the eight teams left which did not make the playoffs, again randomized.  Then the rest of the teams are placed in the draft order based on the playoff results.  
 
Free agency/Roster adjustmentsI know we talked about "cutting players."  I think teams should be allowed, not required, to cut up to five players.  Each time a player is cut, start a thread.  Then at a pre-determined time, we can have "free agency."  Works like a waiver period.  Teams that are interested in a player put in a "claim" on each thread.  Based on draft position, teams with higher draft position secure the player over teams with lower draft position.  Players that are cut and not claimed during free agency are then eligible for the entry draft.  So if there is a player you like that becomes available, you can try and sign him during free agency or roll the dice that he'll come to you in the entry draft.  
 
We'd need some way to normalize roster sizes during this period.  I would assume that you can only sign players in free agency if you have cut players from your own roster.  Open to thoughts.
 
Entry draftShould be pretty self-explanatory.  Would seven rounds suffice? I am also of the mind that we don't use a snake draft.  But I could be convinced the other way.  Trades should also be allowed as well.  But people will need to keep track of what they have traded.  Also, I don't think we should allow trading of future draft picks, i.e., I shouldn't be able to trade my 2015 1st rounder. Much too tough to keep track of.
 
One thought is that this would create a ton of threads, so we might need another sub-forum lest we clog up the main BBtL board.
 

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I'm not sure about the Free Agency thing. I think if we're required to drop 5 players and then throw them directly into the entry draft, the earlier draft teams will get their first pick and all of the rosters will still have the same number of players. 
 

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Great suggestions on the division winners, playoffs, and draft order question guys. Keep em coming.

As far as free agency and the offseason draft process itself, though, I'm pretty loathe to revisit that. We had a huge discussion last summer and a series of league-wide votes and I think the best thing is to just go with what we decided and voted upon and see how it works. If you guys want to make it a non-snake draft, that's cool with me (I don't think we actually made that determination anyway). But the free agency and drafting mechanics should be left alone I think, at least for this offseason.

Link to that thread is here.
 
Basic summary of what we decided upon:
 
 
Every offseason starting in 2014, sometime around June 1, each team will drop four players of their choosing from their roster.   Each team will also choose 12 players to protect from the draft.
 
We will then have an offseason draft during the summer with the draft pool consisting of all unprotected rostered players, all new NFL draftees and UDFAs, and all non-rostered players.  During this draft, each team can lose a maximum of 2 unprotected rostered players in the draft.  After 2 of your players are selected, the rest of your unprotected rostered players are off-limits and no longer part of the draft pool. 
 
Each team will therefore lose a total of 6 players in the offseason.  Given that we want to expand roster sizes at a gradual rate, the number of draft rounds each year will be equal to 11, until we reach 53 man rosters (if this thing keeps going).
 
There are no limits on the maximum number of years that players can be kept.
 
One thing that I think we could change if there's support is the dates.  I don't think the summer dates were really conclusively supported and just made their way into the final proposal without great reason.  I know there's some strong support for the idea of having our draft occur prior to the actual NFL draft.
 

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One idea: To determine draft order for the bottom 8 teams, just rank them in reverse draft order. So, say SleepyJose was in the bottom 8 after our rankings/discussions. Since he picked last in the original draft, he'd pick 1st in this one. We could then do this for the next group of teams that are in the middle of the pack, and then the playoff teams get ranked by how far they go in the "playoffs", with any ties always being decided by reverse draft order from the original draft. 
 
I also think a traditional (non-snake) draft would be best. Snake works best the first time to help even out the teams, but after that we should be picking based on how our teams performed. 
 
I don't know about the Free Agency idea. I think that's going to over-complicate things. Just add them to the draft pool and let them get picked where they get picked. If I had the theoretical #1 pick in the draft, I could basically take my pick of the top "free agents" and no one would be able to do anything about it. That's not free agency. And I'm 50/50 on being able to make trades. I just think it's going to get crazy if we open this up to trades, but I'm open to hear more ideas on how this would work. 
 

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Here are the divisions.  I'm going to bold the teams that have volunteered to take charge of the process for each division.
 
AFC East
 
ESC - New England Patriots
Titoschew - Buffalo Bills
RedOctober - New York Jets
ElCab - Miami Dolphins
 
AFC North
 
SN - Cleveland Ravens
SF121- Bengal Bay Bengals
SSF - Seoul Steelers
KFP/SMU - Austin Browns
 
AFC South
 
JerBear - Houston Texans
Turrable - Karachi Jaguars
MSF - Indianapolis Colts
Scoops/Phragle - Tactical Turtlenecks
 
AFC West
 
OFT - SanBerdoo Raiders
Bakahump - KC Chiefs
SPDougie - San Diego Chargers
Dollar - Denver Broncos
 
NFC East
 
Myt - Dallas Cowboys
Mascho - Washington Redskins
ilol@u - NY Giants
Laddie - Philadelphia Eagles
 
NFC North
 
MysticMerlin - Chicago Bears
dgilpin - Detroit Lions
PDBWake - Green Bay Packers
sleepyjose - Minnesota Vikings
 
NFC South
 
BSJ - Syracuse Snow Falcons
MMS - Mogadishu Buccaneers
WSW - Intercourse Sex Panthers
Saturnian - Sin City Saints
 
NFC West
 
dylanmarsh - Arizona Cardinals
ragnarok - St Louis Rams
DoDM - San Francisco 49ers
DanoooMe - Seattle Seahawks
 

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One thing that I definitely want to do is to find somebody within each division that can step up and be in charge of the process for voting for division winners - doing some work to get PFF scores, PMing people who are no shows in terms of writing about their team, etc.  I'm happy to do this for the NFC South but I can't do it for every single division.
 

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I'm happy to do it for the AFC East, I'm just a little hesitant with the PFF scores, since I don't have an account.
 
Also, I'll say it again but i really don't like the protected players thing. It's going to make for uneven rosters and I think It's unfair if you happened to hit on more players than someone else especially later in the draft  and now other people can grab those you don't protect.
 

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I think that for the sake of roster fluidity given our lack of contractual and/or salary restraints you need to require some "cuts". But that we consider allowing players to pull back a player if they lose one.
 

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I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret this, but... I'll handle the PFF scores for the NFC East.  If Myt1, Mascho, and ilol@u wouldn't mind sending me their rosters, sorted by position that'd be great.
 
Should it just be cumulative PFF score?  I'm a little hesitant to do that since it will make guys like Stephen Gostkowski (46.0) and Matt Prater (63.5) more valuable than Peyton Manning (43.3) and Von Miller (40.3).  Maybe P/K should be scaled down?
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'm happy to do it for the AFC East, I'm just a little hesitant with the PFF scores, since I don't have an account.
 
Also, I'll say it again but i really don't like the protected players thing. It's going to make for uneven rosters and I think It's unfair if you happened to hit on more players than someone else especially later in the draft  and now other people can grab those you don't protect.
 
I don't think uneven rosters is a real concern.  You can only have a maximum of two of your players taken by other teams and even the worst teams have enough depth that their 13th and 14th best players are going to get snapped up in the draft.
 
As far penalizing teams that drafted well, again you can only lose two players and everybody is going to lose them.  Maybe some teams will have better 13th and 14th players than others but the difference is going to be completely minimal in terms of value going from one team to another.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'm happy to do it for the AFC East, I'm just a little hesitant with the PFF scores, since I don't have an account.
 
Also, I'll say it again but i really don't like the protected players thing. It's going to make for uneven rosters and I think It's unfair if you happened to hit on more players than someone else especially later in the draft  and now other people can grab those you don't protect.
 
CaptainLaddie said:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret this, but... I'll handle the PFF scores for the NFC East.  If Myt1, Mascho, and ilol@u wouldn't mind sending me their rosters, sorted by position that'd be great.
 
Should it just be cumulative PFF score?  I'm a little hesitant to do that since it will make guys like Stephen Gostkowski (46.0) and Matt Prater (63.5) more valuable than Peyton Manning (43.3) and Von Miller (40.3).  Maybe P/K should be scaled down?
 
DanoooME said:
I already did the NFC West, so I'll stick with that.
 
Thanks guys.
 

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mascho said:
A few ideas.  Feel free to mock, adopt, etc.
 
I think we should set some sort of off-season calendar for this project.  We don't need hard and fast dates, just some general dates to keep this project moving.  So I propose three "periods."
 
1.  Season analysis (February-ish)
 
2.  Free agency/roster adjustment (March-ish)
 
3.  2014 Entry Draft (April-May)
 
And a few thoughts on each period.
 
Season analysisFirst, we start a thread on each division which we keep open for a period of time a few days, a week, whatever.  One thread at a time so we don't lose focus.  Each owner makes a post on their team at the outset, then we can debate for a while, and then use a poll to determine Division Winner, Wild Card Team, and last place team.  That will eventually give us eight playoff teams from each conference.  For the playoffs, I don't know exactly how we would determine seeding, open to suggestions on that.  
 
We then start a thread on each game with a poll.  Now, one way to account for the "upset" factor would be to require a threshold number of votes for the "favorite" to win.  i.e., 65% or so.  If the "favorite" can't garner enough votes, we have an upset.  Maybe that isn't perfect, I don't know.  Again, open to suggestions.  Work our way down to a champion.
 
Then we can determine the draft order.  First eight draft choices go to the eight "last place" teams from each division.  We might just randomize those.  Next eight draft choices go to the eight teams left which did not make the playoffs, again randomized.  Then the rest of the teams are placed in the draft order based on the playoff results.  
 
Free agency/Roster adjustmentsI know we talked about "cutting players."  I think teams should be allowed, not required, to cut up to five players.  Each time a player is cut, start a thread.  Then at a pre-determined time, we can have "free agency."  Works like a waiver period.  Teams that are interested in a player put in a "claim" on each thread.  Based on draft position, teams with higher draft position secure the player over teams with lower draft position.  Players that are cut and not claimed during free agency are then eligible for the entry draft.  So if there is a player you like that becomes available, you can try and sign him during free agency or roll the dice that he'll come to you in the entry draft.  
 
We'd need some way to normalize roster sizes during this period.  I would assume that you can only sign players in free agency if you have cut players from your own roster.  Open to thoughts.
 
Entry draftShould be pretty self-explanatory.  Would seven rounds suffice? I am also of the mind that we don't use a snake draft.  But I could be convinced the other way.  Trades should also be allowed as well.  But people will need to keep track of what they have traded.  Also, I don't think we should allow trading of future draft picks, i.e., I shouldn't be able to trade my 2015 1st rounder. Much too tough to keep track of.
 
One thought is that this would create a ton of threads, so we might need another sub-forum lest we clog up the main BBtL board.
 
Can we chill on the roster stuff? Let's take things one at a time and figure out the champion and the draft order first.
 
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
Great suggestions on the division winners, playoffs, and draft order question guys. Keep em coming.

As far as free agency and the offseason draft process itself, though, I'm pretty loathe to revisit that. We had a huge discussion last summer and a series of league-wide votes and I think the best thing is to just go with what we decided and voted upon and see how it works. If you guys want to make it a non-snake draft, that's cool with me (I don't think we actually made that determination anyway). But the free agency and drafting mechanics should be left alone I think, at least for this offseason.

Link to that thread is here.
 
Basic summary of what we decided upon:
 
 
One thing that I think we could change if there's support is the dates.  I don't think the summer dates were really conclusively supported and just made their way into the final proposal without great reason.  I know there's some strong support for the idea of having our draft occur prior to the actual NFL draft.
 
I have some issues and questions I'd like to have answered about the offseason, but right now I think we should focus on the now. 
 
Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
One thing that I definitely want to do is to find somebody within each division that can step up and be in charge of the process for voting for division winners - doing some work to get PFF scores, PMing people who are no shows in terms of writing about their team, etc.  I'm happy to do this for the NFC South but I can't do it for every single division.
 
I'll take my division, but IDK how to post it or anything. 
 
CaptainLaddie said:
I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret this, but... I'll handle the PFF scores for the NFC East.  If Myt1, Mascho, and ilol@u wouldn't mind sending me their rosters, sorted by position that'd be great.
 
Should it just be cumulative PFF score?  I'm a little hesitant to do that since it will make guys like Stephen Gostkowski (46.0) and Matt Prater (63.5) more valuable than Peyton Manning (43.3) and Von Miller (40.3).  Maybe P/K should be scaled down?
 
We talked about weighting positions before but couldn't come to an agreement.
 
We should have total scores for QB, the rest of the offense, the defense, and K & Ps. That way it doesn't matter what you think QBs, kicker, and punters are worth to their team.
 

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I volunteer SSF to handle our division. 
 
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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I'm happy to do it for the AFC East, I'm just a little hesitant with the PFF scores, since I don't have an account.
 
Also, I'll say it again but i really don't like the protected players thing. It's going to make for uneven rosters and I think It's unfair if you happened to hit on more players than someone else especially later in the draft  and now other people can grab those you don't protect.
 
I put together the season totals for each team in the AFC east in the Progress Report thread, but if you need any other numbers or need it broken down further, just let me know.  
 

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I would do it, but I don't have the time, and if I did, I would just turn all of the other teams' PFF numbers into negative sideways 8s. Fuck your teams.
 

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Can whomever is admining this please change this?  its caused some confusion in the past.
 
 
BSF - KC Chiefs
 
I took control of the Chiefs and led them through this tumultuous season.  All Credit  Blame for this season rests with me......and BSF horrible draft picks.  :)
 
 
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bakahump said:
Can whomever is admining this please change this?  its caused some confusion in the past.
 
 
I took control of the Chiefs and led them through this tumultuous season.  All Credit  Blame for this season rests with me......and BSF horrible draft picks.  :)
 
 
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Sorry about that- now fixed.  How would you like to be in charge of the AFC West divisional thread when it occurs?
 

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I can certainly start it.  I dont have a PFF account so I wouldnt be able to coherently write up anything on the teams.  Even for mine I am hoping someone can help me out with some advanced metrics.
 
Let me know if you want me to open it up when the time comes.
 
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bakahump said:
I can certainly start it.  I dont have a PFF account so I wouldnt be able to coherently write up anything on the teams.  Even for mine I am hoping someone can help me out with some advanced metrics.
 
Let me know if you want me to open it up when the time comes.
 
Baka
 
Sweet, thanks.  We can find somebody to get the PFF numbers for you, its really just opening up the thread when the time comes and being in charge of badgering the other people in your division to participate.
 

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Badgering other owners while putting a crappy product on the field with a possibly racist name.....I can do that ...Call me Baka Snyder.
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I was thinking about something similar the other day and fully agree. Any Given Sunday is what the NFL is all about. I like the idea of giving each team a weighted % (from the poll) and having the teams 'play each other.'
 
I'm just glad I explained well enough for someone to understand.
 
So are we doing this MMS? I think it's necessary.
 
phragle said:
I'll take my division, but IDK how to post it or anything. 
 
I need someone to explain this to me like I'm a moron. (I am a moron)
 
Also MMS, this needs to be addressed. If each players score is taken from their player page then it's fine, but if people are using the player's score from the positional page or the team page then everything will be off.
 

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phragle said:
I'm just glad I explained well enough for someone to understand.
 
So are we doing this MMS? I think it's necessary.
Sure, that sounds good. We can figure out the mechanics when we get to the playoffs but there should be some easy way to do this.
 
I need someone to explain this to me like I'm a moron. (I am a moron)
 
Also MMS, this needs to be addressed. If each players score is taken from their player page then it's fine, but if people are using the player's score from the positional page or the team page then everything will be off.
Cool, I'll let everybody know to draw the numbers from the players pages.


Just to summarize, this is what I'm thinking so far from what we have:

(1) Starting next week, we'll have individual threads for each division - maybe two at a time, with them lasting a week - that will be started by the designated people and in which all the owners will make their case for why they should (or should not) be voted "Best Team in the Division" or "Worst Team in Division." We can then have a quick poll in which we take all the "middle" teams in each conference and vote on who should win the two Wild Cards. Hopefully this is over by roughly end of February.

(2) Playoffs - Seeding will be according to highest poll percentage in the divisional votes, with the division winners 1,2,3,4 and the WCs 5,6. We'll match up exactly like the NFL with byes and everything and then in each round we'll have a week for teams to make their case why they should win, people to vote, and then we'll determine a winner based on some formula that combines vote share plus a random element. This will be done by end of March.

(3) Around April 1st, we'll be ready to go forward with the offseason draft, with the draft order determined by the divisional voting process. We could randomize within the groups (cellar dwellers, middle teams, playoff teams). Or we could actually just do the draft order by the results of the divisional voting and the playoffs - ie, non-playoff teams are ranked according to their Vote% for "Worst Team in Division" (or that figure minus their vote % for "Best Team in Division") then playoff teams are ranked like the NFL does, according to when they exited the playoffs and, within those tiers, according to vote % for "Best Team in Division." It'll be a regular (non-snake) draft and if we can do 2-3 rounds per week like last year then we should be able to get it done (or mostly done) by the time the NFL draft comes around (May 8th).
 

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bakahump said:
I can certainly start it.  I dont have a PFF account so I wouldnt be able to coherently write up anything on the teams.  Even for mine I am hoping someone can help me out with some advanced metrics.
 
Let me know if you want me to open it up when the time comes.
 
Baka
 
I've got a PFF account, so I can help out with it.
 

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I can help with the NFC North - I have PFF access but I'm in busy season at work so I'm not sure I have the free time to chart everyone and (especially) keep on top of other owners etc.   If someone else wants to volunteer I can provide the numbers and lend a hand. 
 

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sleepyjose03 said:
I can help with the NFC North - I have PFF access but I'm in busy season at work so I'm not sure I have the free time to chart everyone and (especially) keep on top of other owners etc.   If someone else wants to volunteer I can provide the numbers and lend a hand. 
I can help out with the parts you don't feel like doing.
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
Let me know how we feel about putting these threads in a subforum.
 
It's a good idea. I suspect things will get heated when I argue Nick Foles is a system QB. It'd be good to keep that away from the main forum.
 

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After catching up on the MLB draft thread today, I gotta say...get a new go-to .gif, Eck. Please. I've seen that thing at least five times today. 
 

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soxfan121 said:
After catching up on the MLB draft thread today, I gotta say...get a new go-to .gif, Eck. Please. I've seen that thing at least five times today. 
 Sorry sf121, it just seemed fitting after the season RGIII had.
 
 
phragle said:
Oh well he's not biased or anything.
 
Either way, can't wait to hash it out.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
 Sorry sf121, it just seemed fitting after the season RGIII had.
 
 
 
Either way, can't wait to hash it out.
 
You better have more to go with than RGIII bashes and gifs, friendo.