Red Sox claim Bryan Holaday
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Wither Ryan Hanigan?
As far as I can tell, Holaday has no options remaining. Not sure how else he fits.
As far as I can tell, Holaday has no options remaining. Not sure how else he fits.
Probably not a great sign for Hanigan.
Holaday's pitching line so far this year: 1.1 innings, zero runs, zero hits, 0.00 WHIP.
Holaday's pitching line so far this year: 1.1 innings, zero runs, zero hits, 0.00 WHIP.
So if he was claimed today, that means the roster move needs to be made by Sunday, I think.
I can't actually remember a situation like this before where the Sox claimed someone who was very unlikely to be called back by the waiving team, but essentially made someone on the 25 redundant.
I guess it happens, but it's going to be weird having Hanigan on the team and around the clubhouse for the next two days, knowing he's moving on. I don't know why the would, but can the Rangers waive their 48-hour call back period?
I can't actually remember a situation like this before where the Sox claimed someone who was very unlikely to be called back by the waiving team, but essentially made someone on the 25 redundant.
I guess it happens, but it's going to be weird having Hanigan on the team and around the clubhouse for the next two days, knowing he's moving on. I don't know why the would, but can the Rangers waive their 48-hour call back period?
Pretty sure that once the waiver claim is announced, it's a done deal. If it were a revocable waivers thing (Holaday was DFA so I don't believe that's the case), I think the waiving team would have to pull him back immediately and from an announcement standpoint there'd be nothing to report at all.
Oh, interesting. So we'll probably see a roster move today if he can get to L.A. in time to be the back up catcher.
This brings up a question that I'm confused about: How does the August waiver period work for those players who are DFA'd? Or is it basically the same thing? For example, Layne was DFA'd and that usually means the team has 10 days to release him, trade him or put him on waivers.
Can a trade of a DFA player be worked out without subjecting them to waivers?
Can a trade of a DFA player be worked out without subjecting them to waivers?
Says here he's still recovering with a thumb:
http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/red-soxs-bryan-holaday-claimed-by-red-sox/
Yep - that's what I thought as well. The original excuse for sending him down was they didn't want to lose Sandy or Hannigan - but are now jettisoning Hannigan for someone else's backup catcher.
He seems well and truly buried.
This is it. Vaz was supposed to be "The Guy". Swihart and Hanigan were just holding the spot down for him. Then Sandy Leon happened. I understand the injuries and the options game but wow, has Vaz fallen that far? AND Holaday will play a few games in front of Vaz first before joining the big club. So awkward for all.
If the dimensions of the doghouse are the same as his AAA slash line, you might be able to fit a Chihuahua into it. I'd like to see if he can put up a .300 OBP in the minors before bringing him up again.
That is just speculation at this point, isn't it? His rehab in Texas was done, which is why he got DFA'd rather than rejoined the big club.
It's getting harder to see, though it might be a bit soon to give up entirely. I think the hope was that his minor league walk rates would translate, and allow him to put up a .250/.320/.350 kind of line, which would be enough to get by with for a good defensive C. In 2014 that looked possible, but this year the discipline mysteriously disappeared. It's not that pitchers have been throwing him more strikes, it's that he's been chasing a whole lot more (O-Swing 25% in 2014, 35% this year).
Seven years later, the Sox finally get Holaday.
Seriously, though, it looks like the Sox are setting up an interesting situation in Spring Training next season.
Leon - 0 options, bad history
Holaday - 0 options, bad glove
Vazquez - 0 options, bad bat
Swihart - 2 options, bad ankle
Hanigan - kitchen options
Seriously, though, it looks like the Sox are setting up an interesting situation in Spring Training next season.
Leon - 0 options, bad history
Holaday - 0 options, bad glove
Vazquez - 0 options, bad bat
Swihart - 2 options, bad ankle
Hanigan - kitchen options
Because he had one to start the year, got called up before burning it, and then get set down for being a noodle bat.
Don't forget, he was actually added to the 40-man only having reached AA, in the offseason before the 2013 season. And then he repeated it.
2013 - option 1
2014 - option 2
2015 - MLB DL so burned service time instead
2016 - option 3
As far as I know, with 8-9 pro ball season under his belt, he doesn't qualify for the 4th option year.
Well .. Not really .. Why not just bring up Vazquez?
Hannigan will be back in September presumably when the rosters expand. They must really think having Vazquez in AAA is going to develop his noodle bat. (It hasn't so far).
I was more thinking the ankle injury explains what they'll do with Hanigan rather than why they claimed Holaday. I assume the waiver claim for Holaday was made prior to the Hanigan injury.
Ryan, you have a left ankle injury.
- On which foot?
The left. Now repeat it, what do you have?
- What do you have?
Ryan repeat the type of injury you have.
- I have a left ankle injury. On my left foot.
Right.
- I have a left ankle injury on my right foot?
No. You have a left ankle injury.
- On my left foot.
Good. Now one last thing, Ryan.
- What?
Do something about the toilet in the visitors' locker room.
- No problem.
This catching situation screamed for a foray into the Lucroy Sweepstakes if not for just a stopgap until Swihart is ready to take the reigns. He could have played in AAA for all of next year to recoup his lost ABs from this years injury. Next year's catching depth looks very weak.
I'm sure DD did put his hat in, but look what MIL got for him and Jeffress - two top pitching prospects. Too steep a price for a secondary need.
So are we playing on one catcher tonight? That's not good
So are we playing on one catcher tonight? That's not good
I believe he has a thumb injury. The initial report said he would be available in a couple of days.
I agree, but not everyone does. For example, forum member Bob Montgomery's Hat believes that the Red Sox are "fine at catcher." Catcher is the weakest offensive position in the Red Sox lineup, a trend that will likely continue for the next several seasons. Obviously, Lucroy would have solved the problem, but the asking price was pretty high, I presume, based on the players the Brewers obtained from the Rangers.
Leon: a good glove but hasn't hit throughout most of his career.
Hanigan: a washed up player, the Red Sox will likely decline his option.
Vazquez: a good glove but can he hit?
Swihart: a bit of a mystery. According to the most optimistic assessments, Swihart profiles as an above average bat with better than average defense. However, he didn't produce offensively this year prior to getting hurt and there are reasons to question his defense behind the plate. Thus, we might be looking at player with a mediocre bat together with below average defense behind the plate.
Holaday: a perennial back-up.
The Red Sox have a strong lineup going forward and so can arguably carry a weak hitting/strong fielding catcher. I think Vazquez will be that guy.
Ortiz (pitching prospect) and Brinson (OF prospect) and a player to be named later. That's comparable to Devers and Kopech. Even though I wanted Lucroy, I don't make that deal if I'm the Red Sox. If you take out the relief pitcher, the price goes down, but the Brewers were probably thrilled to include the relief pitcher in order to obtain two excellent prospects.
Yeah, they're fine at catcher. Yeah, the worst offensive position in an excellent offensive lineup, isn't necessarily bad.
Yeah, just because use you keep posting the same inane shit, doesn't make it any more logical or accurate.
Clearly, DD also agrees that the Sox are fine at catcher.
Another homer for Leon.
Addendum: Homer batting from the right. Ball off the CF wall batting from the left.
Addendum: Homer batting from the right. Ball off the CF wall batting from the left.
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Pete Abraham @PeteAbe 30m30 minutes ago
Ryan Hanigan to the DL with what the team says is "left ankle peroneal tendinitis.”
Ryan Hanigan to the DL with what the team says is "left ankle peroneal tendinitis.”
It is worth noting that Vazquez and Leon are out of options next year (Leon is out of options this year) and so I would suspect that both players make the 25 man roster next year and split playing time. Swihart will have one option left. So, he probably begins the season in AAA.
It's a safe bet, yeah. He's not going to quite get to 3 full years of service time (started at 2 years, 29 days and was inactive for ~60 days to start the year), but should get close enough to qualify as a Super-2.