Red Sox hook Crochet for Kyle Teel, Braden Montgomery, Chase Meidroth and Wikelman Gonzalez
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People get too attached to prospects. Especially diehard fans. In this case, attached to a guy who's never suited up for the organization.
Sounds to me like it might be, and now I really have no idea what the shape of that trade is.
Good news is that there will be another draft this year and the Sox will have a way to acquire more prospects.
If we’re talking 2007 prospects, no one can compete with Craig Hansen.
He’s ML ready now!!
As I said like minutes before this trade happened, acquiring a guy like Crochet was going to be painful.
That’s a steep package. I hate the idea that we traded this much value for a guy when we just could have signed Fried or Burnes.
However, Crochet is 25 and has great stuff.
Overall, I don’t like this trade but I am happy that they aggressively went after a need
That’s a steep package. I hate the idea that we traded this much value for a guy when we just could have signed Fried or Burnes.
However, Crochet is 25 and has great stuff.
Overall, I don’t like this trade but I am happy that they aggressively went after a need
You were furious with Sox not getting guys the last few days and now you're furious when they do, but pay more than you wanted.
This world (MLB) doesn't work like that.
JFC, I understand qualms with the price but to call this a "bad" deal is off the mark. We just got a pitcher with arguably top 5 stuff in all of baseball, that has a realistic path to being a top 10 starter (or better) in all of MLB. For 2 years, plus he has indicated openness to an extension. I wish we could have done it without Teel or Montgomery but that was the price it took. They got it done. It's exciting. Having a guy like Crochet is cool. Be excited we get to watch him.
Had this same thought.
I’m not overly distraught about losing any of them individually, but all four together is a steep price - two top-five prospects and three of the top ten. Meidroth was kind of a binky, so that one stings. He should at least get a chance to play regularly in MLB this year.
To be fair he doesn't have a single professional AB and Anthony is a far superior prospect to say the least.
My dream is that we flip Abreu+prospects for Murphy and roll with an OF of Anthony-Rafaela-Abreu.
Bingo.
Id rather pay straight money for a guy than prospects.
They also have to extend Crochet. It will be VERY interesting to see what that contract looks like
Prospects can have many different uses and people get too fixated on what they MIGHT become instead of what value they have now.
They're like Samwise's potatoes: Trade them, develop them, stick them in a deal.
They're like Samwise's potatoes: Trade them, develop them, stick them in a deal.
Yes, Breslow painted into a corner by ownership.
I hate trading Teel since he represented the rarest non-pitcher commodity (all-around C) among the top prospects. Having said that, if Breslow and baseball folks had reached a legit projection on him that he wasn't going to become a top MLB catcher, they dealt him at close to peak value. We'll see.
To get a little more perspective on some who are not familiar:
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/three-reasons-white-sox-ace-garrett-crochet-is-the-most-desirable-trade-candidate-of-mlb-offseason/#:~:text=The under-the-hood numbers,the show as a reliever.
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/three-reasons-white-sox-ace-garrett-crochet-is-the-most-desirable-trade-candidate-of-mlb-offseason/#:~:text=The under-the-hood numbers,the show as a reliever.
I'm the first guy that says that there's no such things a prospect and you can always draft another one in a year and that they're all chips, but this seems like a lot for Crochet.
It feels like a frustration trade where Breslow had to get his guy and wasn't going to let anything stop him.
It feels like a frustration trade where Breslow had to get his guy and wasn't going to let anything stop him.
But we don't know their names yet and we haven't seen their highlights on YouTube!
If that actually happens I will feel a little bit better, but again that requires them to spend
Listen, this is a fair deal, and it's really kind of what they needed to do. Give up some of your top prospects and get a young top-of-the-rotation starter. I was actually expecting worse. But this team is more than 2 years out and they need to extend him.
Well there's your big piece everyone. 87 wins or bust. And not just for this year, since a fine combination of not being willing to spend market rate for players and now taking a big chunk out of the potential future cost-controlled starters basically helps put another brick in the wall of long fucking term mediocrity. Cheap bastards.
And the Bruins fan Stockholm Syndrome set will be like "yay they did something" and bang out the park again.
And the Bruins fan Stockholm Syndrome set will be like "yay they did something" and bang out the park again.
I am ok with this. We knew the price for pitching would be steep. Frankly, I would have preferred sending them Abreu rather than Montgomery (which I know many will disagree with, but I think Montgomery has a much higher ceiling).
i don't know that they "need" another SP with Houck, Bello, Crawford and Giolito, but maybe Buehler, or Cease if they can get him for a reasonable price.
i don't know that they "need" another SP with Houck, Bello, Crawford and Giolito, but maybe Buehler, or Cease if they can get him for a reasonable price.
I wasn't even a little bit furious about Soto, and was more stunned about Fried than furious (and mad that it ended up being the Yankees). I'm honestly more upset about them not getting a real catcher than not signing either of those guys.
They better extend Crochet ASAP, otherwise this is a massive overpay to me.
If I am wrong, then great. I will be over it and stop shitposting in 15 minutes, probably, and enjoy watching Crochet pitch for the Red Sox.
I admit it is a great move for 2025/2026.
Trading Abreu and still keeping him would be a genius move. (I can say that because I’ve never made a mistake in a posting here.)
It has some shades of the Sale deal, not just because it's the White Sox again.
If it works out like the Sale deal where neither Teel or Montgomery are impact pieces, it will be a stroke of genius.
Yeah, I'm over it. Gonna sit back and enjoy 2025, because that team just got a lot better.
Please just get a real fucking catcher.
Please just get a real fucking catcher.
Now I'm going to be kinda pissed if they don't drop serious money in FA. We still have serious holes to fill and arguably still need another pitcher.
I know I'm probably dreaming but I want Burnes even more now because the thought of being able to roll out:
Burnes
Crochet
Houck
in a playoff series is too good to pass up. Then we could flip Kutter or Bello in a package for a catcher like Murphy.
I would have been fine with just paying Fried and Burnes, but look at it this way: we got the rarest thing in baseball, an elite left-handed pitcher who's just 25 years old. Fried and Burnes are both 30, and could fall off a cliff in terms of performance any year now.
Crochet is like any other pitcher, he could get injured, but if he's healthy he's likely to continue being a valuable contributor for a long time. The Sox don't do this unless they think they can extend him, IMO.
Crochet is like any other pitcher, he could get injured, but if he's healthy he's likely to continue being a valuable contributor for a long time. The Sox don't do this unless they think they can extend him, IMO.
If this was the Sons of Greg Walker we'd be nervous about Montgomery playing zero pro ball after coming off an ankle injury and Teel being a catcher that could stall out. I think it's a fairly square deal all around. Odds are decent Teel and Montgomery are closer to Andy Marte than Jeff Bagwell.
Crochet is filthy and young, that's who you move these dudes for.
Crochet is filthy and young, that's who you move these dudes for.
I don't know where the "this team is more than 2 years out" talk comes from, but, yes, they certainly need to extend him...which is why they would have been better off just going all in for Burnes.
They just got a cost-controlled starter who is known to be able to succeed at a top level for 4 guys who have not yet shown that. In the past couple of days, the Sox have been reported to have offered $700 million for Soto and $190 million for Fried. And today, they traded for arguably the best pitcher that will be acquired this offseason. Getting good players is good for winning and fun to watch. The Sox are making an effort, and the 2025 Red Sox just got a hell of a lot more exciting.
Weren‘t we all complaining about his inability to close? This is closing.
Teel hurts, but his best attribute is he plays catcher and he still has significant work to do in that area according to scouts. Montgomery is a wild card but really redundant with Roman.
Meidroth and Wickleman are more org guys.
Edit: Streamer has Crochet as the 4th best SP in ALL OF BASEBALL in 2025