I mean, if we sign Eovaldi, trade for Hoskins and Kepler and acquire a 2B/SS (Adames, Segura, Drury, Rosario), I think it would still be a decent offseason.
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I really hope we don’t bring back JD, I’d much rather get Turner instead. Have a feeling he’d be the perfect Fenway hitter.
I think this is a great point and an important factor that should be strongly considered. I remember hearing about how much work he did with Mookie back when there was still sunshine in our worlds, and I just came across this article:
https://theathletic.com/3516699/2022/08/23/j-d-martinez-red-sox-hitting-culture/
He could provide some real guidance for the kids and add cohesion to a team that currently looks like a bunch of spare parts.
Yeah Arenado is a good example of somewhere in between. Technically last year was his highest oWAR to date but he was significantly worse last year.
Agree with him not expected to be top-8 though. Top-8 SS cutoff was 4.5 WAR last year. 3.5 is a better expectation, which would put him top-12. Although I agree with the logic of someone a few posts ago saying after the season he had at 2b why move him off the position? Sign someone like Iglesias or Andrus as a stopgap. AND EXTEND DEVERS.
Id rather stay away from the declining guys at this point and focus on youth since this team doesnt seem oike they’re competing this season. Could Valdez be the answer at SS or 2nd? There is some power there though he did struggle to get on base at AAA. No real risk of brining him up too soon with the amount of depth behind him.
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For those posters who were critical of the people who were very critical on Bloom and the front office before the offseason, this is why we felt the way we did. I was OK with giving Bloom this offseason to prove he could guide a big-market team, but this has been an epic failure.
They simply must extend Devers.
As of today, there are zero proven nucleus player beyond 2023.
That has to change. And it has to change this off season.
As of today, there are zero proven nucleus player beyond 2023.
That has to change. And it has to change this off season.
If you were Devers why would you even think about signing an extension after the Sox have low-balled pretty much all of their free agents and have shown they're not giving out long-term contracts like Boagerts, Judge, Correa, and Swanson just got? This front office is not going to offer Devers a deal he absolutely cannot refuse.
Bloom’s troll job with Pessimist wine at the press conference should have him feeling pretty sheepish
I dont get the interest in Kepler but on paper I dont see any way to improve this team from last season outside a major trade(where we know Bloom doesnt want to deal prospects). I think at this point they minus well just give some kids a shot. Might have to bring them up earlier than anticipated but….Valdez at SS, Abreu at DH, maybe Mata when healthy.
Well, he’d think of it if they decided that he’s the one to offer the big deal to. You might think it’s unlikely—I don’t claim to be omniscient enough to know—but the answer to your question is pretty simple.
He also, supposedly, loves Cora. If true, I imagine he’d rather stay with him than start with someone else, if things are close.
Obvious follow up to that is, how does Cora think everything is going here? Seemed like there were several instances last year where he wasn’t 100% on the same page as management. Is he all in on being here for the long haul?
The line up. As of today. Is a bottom level unit in all of baseball.
The starting pitching. As of today. Is a bottom level unit in the American League.
The one young proven core player remains unsigned beyond 2023.
I’ve been an extreme Bloom apologist the last 2 years but things better get moving and get moving fast.
If the plan was to blow it up the past 14 months have been horrifically executed.
The starting pitching. As of today. Is a bottom level unit in the American League.
The one young proven core player remains unsigned beyond 2023.
I’ve been an extreme Bloom apologist the last 2 years but things better get moving and get moving fast.
If the plan was to blow it up the past 14 months have been horrifically executed.
Field management and senior management are rarely 100% in agreement. One thing I would almost guarantee is that he isn’t surprised. He’s part of the management team and he knows the general plan for the offseason. Pretty good bet he actually know who the real targets are/were
Rumors are that this is basically the current BOS offer to him, they will have to go higher if they want to keep him from exploring this crazy FA market.
If I were Devers, given the events of the past 10 days, I would. 12/360? Then we’ll talk. I still think he gets $400.
Yup. He just saw his buddy get 11/280. He’s better than Bogaerts and much younger. He ain’t taking 10/300 right now.
I’d be interested in what deal (at the reported price) you think he should have made. Maybe Senega. That’s it.
There is a distinction to be made among those who are critical as well as among those who have been supportive of Bloom. Not all critics or supporters are created equal. Declaring the off season a disaster on December 8th is akin to declaring last season over in mid May. Likewise, blind faith in Bloom at this point is seems overly optimistic. There are certain players in this year's FA class that the Sox were never going to be in on and the market playing out as it has has likely made them reassess their position on others. As for what's happened thus far, I see the BP moves as a plus and am intrigued by Yoshida. There is a huge hole in the infield, a need for another starter (2-3 type at least) and IMO we still need a RH hitting corner OF that can produce runs. Bloom's going to have to get creative to find the right pieces to make this team a playoff contender, but I'm not yet ready to call the off season an epic failure.
10/330 still sounds reasonable given the recent deals, he just turned 26.
Seems like as good a bet as you can get to be a 4-5 win player for the next 5+ years, and even 33M each of those seasons would be underpaying.
Look I know the market's been wild, but the only contract in history over 360m is Mike Trout. Devers, much as I love him, is not Mike Trout. He isn't even Aaron Judge.
26 posts over the course of 17 years. Glad to see you're a quality over quantity guy.
Bogey or Correa
Clevinger
Any of the 4 Dodgers signings
Rizzo or Santana or Gallo (1B/DH/DH paired with Casas)
Vasquez or Zunino
Joc or Bellinger OF
Kahnle or Jarlin G over Martin
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If I were Devers, given the events of the past 10 days, I'd end talks and tell them i'm going to free agency
Exactly, absent a record setting deal, why would he want to sign now? All his friends are gone. Can’t imagine he’s really thrilled with the thought of sticking around right now.
So Cora isn't his mentor? I thought that was one of the reasons that people wanted Cora back.
How much longer do you think Cora will be here?
Maybe he’s his mentor, he was also supposed to be tight with Bogaerts, and Correa’s buddy too, right?
Yeah, this is what I think too. I’m not debating that guys like Segura or Justin Turner aren’t upgrades to what we have on the roster - they are. But I don’t think it matters enough to become a serious title contender, and at their ages and on short term deals, there is no chance of them being part of the core of the next great Red Sox team.
On the other hand guys like Whitlock, Bello, Houck, Mata, Casas, Valdez, Rafaela, heck, even Dalbec there are varying percent of chances they might be. So I’d rather go 62-100 with all the kids possible playing to see which - if any - are part of the core (I personally vote on Bello and Whitlock and Rafaela) as opposed to going 76-86 with giving time to anyone over 32 on a short term contract.
For what it’s worth, I would have first matched Bogaerts (and I think he would have taken 10/$250m from Boston). After that, I’d have given Correa his deal. Along with signing Bassitt and either Tallion or Senga. I think not locking in a core middle of the order bat from one of those two and depending on Sale and Paxton are franchise crippling mistakes for the short and (in case of the bats and) long term future of the franchise.
Maybe, I just heard a lot more commentary on his relationship with Devers.
Kind of an interesting question about Cora. I could see an argument for anywhere between 1 and 10 years.
True, but hard to imagine he is truly opposed to a long term deal if the $ is right. If Devers was a FA at this moment, what is he getting? I could see 12/360 or something but I doubt 400M.
To sign a year early, he should take SOME discount (not nearly what the Red Sox think the discount should be). But there is also a non-zero chance of injury or a dud 2023 season, so I think 10/300-330 would be pretty foolish for him to turn down a year away from FA.
Devers for Tatis may make sense for both teams if Padres can get an agreement on an extension (for 1B/DH and backing up Machado if he gets injured), plus Machado has opt-out next season.
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Don't tease me.
I know, that's nebulous as hell. But damn, Turner is one I've wanted from the start of the offseason.
100%. Turner, Segura, and Eovaldi would certainly flip the narrative and make this seem like an ok off-season, I think.
I still think there is a trade coming. I know what the Brewers said, but I'm holding out slim hope that we get one of their starters and take Yelich
Turner would rake here.
He had a tough time getting going last year (like a lot of people did with a short spring), but from May 10th on he hit .306/.380/.488, good for a .376 wOBA and a 146 wRC+. He’s old, but he still very rarely whiffs (8.9%) and he hits the ball hard and keeps it off the ground.
He had a tough time getting going last year (like a lot of people did with a short spring), but from May 10th on he hit .306/.380/.488, good for a .376 wOBA and a 146 wRC+. He’s old, but he still very rarely whiffs (8.9%) and he hits the ball hard and keeps it off the ground.
Turner would be a good addition to the lineup, but is having our 2 best batters play the same position (I guess 1 would be a DH) an efficient way to build a ball club, though?
My Dodger fan friends (I live in LA) think Turner is 90% coming back to LA to play 3b to allow Miguel Vargas (LA top prospect) to play LF with some 3b and 1b mixed in.
As soon as Justin Turner is in "heavy discussions" with the Red Sox, that's when we know he's going back to the Dodgers.
FTR I Iike Story at 2B and I'm not advocating a move, but should the team think otherwise or in the case of injury, what sort of defender is Turner at 2nd?