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You are correct that no one else wants him right now with his contract. He can be a useful pitcher as he was in 2018, but a pitcher with a near 5 ERA that's owed $34M+ for two more years is not what any team is looking to acquire in the next three days.
There have been various reports indicating that the Sox would be willing to eat some salary, so maybe a subsidized Eovaldi makes some sense for somebody.
 

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Looking over teams now, I dont see anybody that would be willing to pay even $10 mil a year for him. The Astros? I just don't see a team where he fits a pressing need where they would give up much of value for him
 

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Since Bloom came from TB I wondered how that franchise values defense. Here’s a link to Kevin Kiermaier’s contract which is a 6 year deal at $53mil. That’s $8.9/year. Would JBJ accept an offer like that? Would BOS offer it? Would we feel comfortable with those terms?

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tampa-bay-rays/kevin-kiermaier-15681/


Because if not, I have no idea why BOS wouldn’t trade him now.
 

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Since Bloom came from TB I wondered how that franchise values defense. Here’s a link to Kevin Kiermaier’s contract which is a 6 year deal at $53mil. That’s $8.9/year. Would JBJ accept an offer like that? Would BOS offer it? Would we feel comfortable with those terms?

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tampa-bay-rays/kevin-kiermaier-15681/


Because if not, I have no idea why BOS wouldn’t trade him now.
Kevin was 3-4 years younger when he signed his deal. I would want no part of JBJ for a 6 year deal. That is way too long.
 

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Since Bloom came from TB I wondered how that franchise values defense. Here’s a link to Kevin Kiermaier’s contract which is a 6 year deal at $53mil. That’s $8.9/year. Would JBJ accept an offer like that? Would BOS offer it? Would we feel comfortable with those terms?

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/tampa-bay-rays/kevin-kiermaier-15681/


Because if not, I have no idea why BOS wouldn’t trade him now.
From a pure baseball point of view, I think you're exactly right. Taking in everything, there may be other factors that would cause them to hesitate trading him. One obvious reason is optics. Unless they're getting a very good return for him (beyond just "something's better than nothing"), the PR hit of trading the guy who's been front and center on the team in the BLM movement might not be worth making the move.
 

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3/27 - 4/36 does feel like a fair JBJ contract, using Keirmaier as a comp and adjusting the length down to account for the age difference. But if it's true that he's making significant adjustments, Jarren Duran should get some real consideration as a replacement. I can't find the other article, but someone posted the SeaDogs hitting coach talking about the adjustments Duran has made in 2020, specifically getting lift on pitches on the inner half of the plate. We have no empirical data to assess his progress with for this season, but I would be surprised if it wasn't considered as an option internally.
 

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From a pure baseball point of view, I think you're exactly right. Taking in everything, there may be other factors that would cause them to hesitate trading him. One obvious reason is optics. Unless they're getting a very good return for him (beyond just "something's better than nothing"), the PR hit of trading the guy who's been front and center on the team in the BLM movement might not be worth making the move.
Holding on to JBJ for optics would be baseball malpractice. He’s overpaid and frankly could even see a raise in arbitration and he’s someone the Red Sox should take a hard look at non tendering anyways if they didn’t trade him.
 

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Holding on to JBJ for optics would be baseball malpractice. He’s overpaid and frankly could even see a raise in arbitration and he’s someone the Red Sox should take a hard look at non tendering anyways if they didn’t trade him.
JBJ is a Free Agent after this season, so they are moving on from him no matter what. I agree that holding on to him makes little sense from a baseball standpoint with the needs of the farm system. I don’t think they could get much more than a lottery ticket type player.
 

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Holding on to JBJ for optics would be baseball malpractice. He’s overpaid and frankly could even see a raise in arbitration and he’s someone the Red Sox should take a hard look at non tendering anyways if they didn’t trade him.
He's a free agent at the end of the year, so there's no non-tendering necessary. And if he's so bad (that you say he's a non-tender candidate), how much is he really worth in trade right now? A bag of balls? Is that worth it in the current climate versus playing out a lost season and letting him walk?
 

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He's a free agent at the end of the year, so there's no non-tendering necessary. And if he's so bad (that you say he's a non-tender candidate), how much is he really worth in trade right now? A bag of balls? Is that worth it in the current climate versus playing out a lost season and letting him walk?
I’d take a lottery ticket over keeping him during this lost season actually. The Red Sox should be in the business of building their next great team not keeping a upcoming free agent because the optics may look bad. You trade anyone you can that you won’t need In the future that will bring you something in return even if it’s for lottery tickets.
 

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I imagine that he's worth something.... I'm sure every GM knows that JBJ can turn into Mookie Betts for a month every season and could be willing to gamble something worth a little in the hopes that they could be the ones catching that lightning.
 

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If the Red Sox truly believe JBJ is one of those "glue" guys and a locker room leader, I wouldn't be shocked if they hold onto him. They could flip another OF or a prospect in a deal to upgrade pitching if they are really considering all names and his doesn't have much value. In Chaim We Trust.
 

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I’d take a lottery ticket over keeping him during this lost season actually. The Red Sox should be in the business of building their next great team not keeping a upcoming free agent because the optics may look bad. You trade anyone you can that you won’t need In the future that will bring you something in return even if it’s for lottery tickets.
At an ownership level there is a price factored in on everything including optics vs rebuilding. In this climate, Bloom's hands may be tied. Last year I'd be annoyed if they didn't deal JBJ because of non rebuilding reasons. This year I get the reasoning and agree with the optics factor.

Even on a GM level though there are the PTBNL vs cash considerations type deals where you are evaluating whether someone is too much of a lottery ticket that cash is a safer route to take. The going rate on dealing a defense first outfielder during a pennant chase may fit that GM level criteria anyhow.
 

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The return for Moreland, now confirmed by the Padres, is 21 y/o 3B Hudson Potts and 20 y/o CF Jeisson Rosario.

I enjoyed Moreland's work, and I wish him well shoring up the 1B/DH situation on a fun San Diego team.

I wonder if this means a larger deal with SD is off the table.
 

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The Padres inquired about Christian Vazquez in early iterations of discussions with the Red Sox before the Moreland deal, but deemed the price for him too high and seemingly refocused on shorter-term options.

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The Sox are certainly listening on Vazquez, but it makes sense for them to ask for a lot in return for an above-average catcher under team control on an affordable deal through 2022. There's no need to move him unless they are essentially blown away.
 

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“The Red Sox are doing background on Mets minor leaguers, an indication that the Mets might be interested in catcher Christian Vázquez.

The Mets’ catching is a bit of a mess. Wilson Ramos entered Sunday with a .638 OPS, and René Rivera and Tomás Nido both are on the injured list.”

My dream scenario would be RHP Matthew Allen, but others that interest me are David Peterson, Thomas Szapucki, and Robert Dominguez all are promising pitching prospects in the Mets system.
 
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Padres just got Jason Castro (scroll on mlb network Angels/Ms game). So that was their plan B for Vaz I guess
 

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I cant see the Nationals trading their top prospect and replacement for Anthony Rendon plus another pitching prospect for JDM, Eovaldi(who has been a thoroughly mediocre to bad pitcher outside of that one 2018 stretch with Boston), and/or Perez in a year where they lost the pitcher that carried them through the WS last season and are currently 11-17. Win now mode? They have the second to worst record in the National League. They have almost no chance at making the playoffs this season.
Eh, probably not win now mode, but they're only like 4 games out and b-ref has them at around 40% to make postseason.
 

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My dream scenario would be RHP Matthew Allen, but others that interest me are David Peterson, Thomas Szapucki, and Robert Dominguez all are promising pitching prospects in the Mets system.
Allan would be a good get. I'd consider packaging a pitcher with CV to try to up the prospect package. I note that the Mets recently added top-10 prospect 3B Mark Vientos to their 60-man pool, although he's not a great fit with BOS. I doubt the Mets will make a big move, given their record and their pending ownership change.
 

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Allan would be a good get. I'd consider packaging a pitcher with CV to try to up the prospect package. I note that the Mets recently added top-10 prospect 3B Mark Vientos to their 60-man pool, although he's not a great fit with BOS. I doubt the Mets will make a big move, given their record and their pending ownership change.
This nugget from Heyman and you may be onto something. Vazquez and Barnes for a couple of their top pitching prospects would be nice. Bloom has done well with his first 2 trades so I trust him.

View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1300204272630595584
 

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Would be great to squeeze 5-6 decent to good prospects (and another if you count a top 10 guy in the draft) out of a season that kicked off with many preemptively putting an asterisk on the results.
 

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I wonder if today's awful doubleheader loss will change the Mets' philosophy. They may not think they're "in it" anymore.
 

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We've reached the goofy part of the deadline. MLB.com writers offer guesses

The Red Sox will trade Xander Bogaerts for Jorge Polanco
With the Red Sox mired in last place in the AL East and having already moved Mookie Betts’ contract, Boston sends Bogaerts to the Twins for Polanco and their No. 1 prospect, shortstop Royce Lewis. Minnesota goes for it with Bogaerts this year and has him under club control for at least two more years at $20 million per season before his opt-out option. Why would Boston trade Bogaerts now? He has a no-trade clause that activates in September, and he can opt out after 2022, which means that he may never have more trade value than right now. Polanco has a modest long-term deal that keeps him locked up through 2025, making him a relative bargain for Boston. -- David Venn

 

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Going to be interesting. It certainly seems like a sellers market. The return on Workman, Hembree, and Moreland has been very impressive.

I’d be surprised if Barnes, JBJ, Pillar are on the team by end of the day.

Vazquez is the most interesting name that has legit chance to be moved.

If they got totally absolutely blown away for Xander they have to listen to that as well.
 

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Going to be interesting. It certainly seems like a sellers market. The return on Workman, Hembree, and Moreland has been very impressive.

I’d be surprised if Barnes, JBJ, Pillar are on the team by end of the day.

Vazquez is the most interesting name that has legit chance to be moved.

If they got totally absolutely blown away for Xander they have to listen to that as well.
Vazquez is a very valuable commodity too... probably not "blown away" on the same level as Xander, but they'd need to get something significant. Vazquez is a very good C with above average offense for the position at a great value for a few more seasons. Replacing that would be almost impossible for the Sox...
 

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We've reached the goofy part of the deadline. MLB.com writers offer guesses

The Red Sox will trade Xander Bogaerts for Jorge Polanco
With the Red Sox mired in last place in the AL East and having already moved Mookie Betts’ contract, Boston sends Bogaerts to the Twins for Polanco and their No. 1 prospect, shortstop Royce Lewis. Minnesota goes for it with Bogaerts this year and has him under club control for at least two more years at $20 million per season before his opt-out option. Why would Boston trade Bogaerts now? He has a no-trade clause that activates in September, and he can opt out after 2022, which means that he may never have more trade value than right now. Polanco has a modest long-term deal that keeps him locked up through 2025, making him a relative bargain for Boston. -- David Venn

As a guy that lives in twins territory, there is no way that is happening. Lewis is at least 3 years out, Polanco is a steal for the production they get out of him and is signed for 4 more years at 5mil/year.
On the Sox side, I highly doubt Chaim would be willing to trade off a 3rd core player in a year. He'd get run out of town. edit: 3rd core if you count Price.
 

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On the Sox side, I highly doubt Chaim would be willing to trade off a 3rd core player in a year. He'd get run out of town. edit: 3rd core if you count Price.
You might be right on the Xander/Twins rumor, but I don't think anyone is untouchable given the right offer, especially if one is MLB ready. I have to think in a regular season Verdugo would already be something of a fan favorite.

What's the "core" at this point in terms of the most recognizable players? Sale, Erod, Xander, JD, Devers, Vazquez, Beni, JBJ? Seems a lot of continuity.
 

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We've reached the goofy part of the deadline. MLB.com writers offer guesses

The Red Sox will trade Xander Bogaerts for Jorge Polanco
With the Red Sox mired in last place in the AL East and having already moved Mookie Betts’ contract, Boston sends Bogaerts to the Twins for Polanco and their No. 1 prospect, shortstop Royce Lewis. Minnesota goes for it with Bogaerts this year and has him under club control for at least two more years at $20 million per season before his opt-out option. Why would Boston trade Bogaerts now? He has a no-trade clause that activates in September, and he can opt out after 2022, which means that he may never have more trade value than right now. Polanco has a modest long-term deal that keeps him locked up through 2025, making him a relative bargain for Boston. -- David Venn

That certainly qualifies as goofy, but if they can get Royce Lewis it's something to think about. He struggled last year in the regular season at both high-A and AA, but was awesome in the AFL as he won the MVP there.
 

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Speier's latest on the deadline which he says the Red Sox "are still active".

--Christian Vazquez is available and they've talked to the Mets, Padres(who are out), and Rays among others. One of his sources says the price for Vazquez is "silly which means they're keeping him."

--Sox likely to be most engaged on bullpen market and rental OFs. Says Barnes should get a good return based on the Mychal Givens trade that netted 2 highly regarded prospects and a PTBNL.

--Perez may be a name that comes up, but his blister may affect his value.

--It seems very unlikely they are done dealing.


 

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Speier's latest on the deadline which he says the Red Sox "are still active".
--It seems very unlikely they are done dealing.
I would hope they would still be active. They're not in competition for the post-season this year, and they're not playing in front of live crowds. Plus they have some clear holes in their roster for 2021. So, it would be foolish, IMO, not to trade someone like Pillar for even the slimmest of lottery ticket prospects.
 

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Vazquez to the Rays makes a ton of sense. Catcher is the weak link in position players for the Rays, they look like they might be the best team in baseball and are making a run, Vazquez has some control at a reasonable price, Bloom obviously knows the system cold. Probably never more value to be had for him, at least from the Rays, than right now. I wonder how Bloom values Honeywell after the injuries?
 

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To me, you only move Vasquez if it's a clear overpay - barring an injury he'll still have good value this winter.

Likewise, you only move Xander if it's a ridiculous overpay - I have faith that Chaim and the gang will have the team competitive enough by the time X's opt-out comes along that he'll want to stay.

Regarding JBJ - the optics do matter at this moment in time, IMO. I'd move him if it's a defensible trade that is a clear win for the Sox, and even then they are still going to face serious blowback. You can't move Jackie for a meh lottery ticket right now.
 

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Vazquez to the Mets would be fun, as they have multiple starters and catchers in their prospect depths. My first ask would be Szapucki and Francisco Alvarez (who just got added to the Mets player pool).
 

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Vazquez to the Rays makes a ton of sense. Catcher is the weak link in position players for the Rays, they look like they might be the best team in baseball and are making a run, Vazquez has some control at a reasonable price, Bloom obviously knows the system cold. Probably never more value to be had for him, at least from the Rays, than right now. I wonder how Bloom values Honeywell after the injuries?
Totally agreed. I'll repost this from a few days ago:

The Athletic reporting the Rays are interested in Christian Vazquez, and the Sox are investigating their pitching prospects. This was the potential match Over the Monster suggested a few days ago, and makes a lot of sense for both sides.

1) The Rays have the 2nd best record in the AL and especially with the Yankees injuries a real chance to make a World Series run, but their main glaring weakness is the Catcher position: Mike Zunino has a .133 average (69 OPS+) and is a career .200 hitter.

2) Vaz has two more years on his deal (one of them a club option) at only $6M for '21 and $7M for '22. He's one of my favorites, but his presence hasn't done much for the pitchers this season.

3) Meanwhile, the Rays farm system is stocked with as much pitching talent as anyone in baseball, and it almost goes without saying that Bloom knows every single one of them better than just about anyone. Don't know this site, but their writeups (from January) seem really good: https://www.prospects1500.com/al-east/tampa-bay-rays-2020-top-50-prospects/

4) Not mentioned in the rumors, but I wonder if the Sox would include Martin Perez -- the Rays also need affordable pitching depth and this could help get back a few better prospects.

Could put a dent in the Sox hopes of contending in 2021, but then again there's a huge FA class of veteran mid-level Catchers this offseason: Yadier Molina, Wilson Ramos, James McCann, Austin Romine, etc., and there's the big shiny object of JT Realmuto as well.
 

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I'd have to be told no on Matthew Allen first then pivot to the players you brought up. It's the Mets--they may say yes to Allen.
This is true. But finding a catcher of the future seems like another big priority for Bloom, and I am high on both Alvarez and Endy Rodriguez (who may have to be a PTBNL).
 

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Hindsight 20/20, but during winter 2018 I would've approached our ALCS MVP (instead of our WS MVP) about an extension to buy out arb2/arb3. 4/40? His arb2/arb3 came out to 19.55m. Then you have JBJ signed at 2yr/20m for his age 31/32 seasons. It would generally be a big risk to turn over CF to Duran, especially when the rest of his upper minors time has been replaced with glorified intersquad scrimmages. However, it doesn't really matter now if they want to do it anyway, since we probably need a year to consolidate following heavy roster turnover. I wouldn't be at all surprised if JBJ remained productive well into his mid 30s.
 

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Assuming Jackie isn't dealt today, what do they offer him for a contract at the end of the season? 3/$30?
Since the start of 2019

Bradley - wRC+ 86. fWAR 1.2 Defensive Runs Saved 0
Pillar -wRC+ 89 fWAR 2.1. Defensive Runs Saved -2

Bradley is a year younger and seems like a good dude unlike Pillar but I think he'll be lucky to get 2/$15. My guess is 1yr 7ish.
 

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Going to be interesting. It certainly seems like a sellers market. The return on Workman, Hembree, and Moreland has been very impressive.

I’d be surprised if Barnes, JBJ, Pillar are on the team by end of the day.

Vazquez is the most interesting name that has legit chance to be moved.

If they got totally absolutely blown away for Xander they have to listen to that as well.
Good, and good riddance.
 

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We've reached the goofy part of the deadline. MLB.com writers offer guesses

The Red Sox will trade Xander Bogaerts for Jorge Polanco
With the Red Sox mired in last place in the AL East and having already moved Mookie Betts’ contract, Boston sends Bogaerts to the Twins for Polanco and their No. 1 prospect, shortstop Royce Lewis. Minnesota goes for it with Bogaerts this year and has him under club control for at least two more years at $20 million per season before his opt-out option. Why would Boston trade Bogaerts now? He has a no-trade clause that activates in September, and he can opt out after 2022, which means that he may never have more trade value than right now. Polanco has a modest long-term deal that keeps him locked up through 2025, making him a relative bargain for Boston. -- David Venn

That headline should be trading for Lewis, not Polanco.