Red Sox Trade Deadline Thread

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Bradley - wRC+ 86. fWAR 1.2 Defensive Runs Saved 0
Pillar -wRC+ 89 fWAR 2.1. Defensive Runs Saved -2

Bradley is a year younger and seems like a good dude unlike Pillar but I think he'll be lucky to get 2/$15. My guess is 1yr 7ish.
I agree with this, and I think it would be a smart thing for the Sox to do -- keep a popular, respected clubhouse guy and give Duran a little runway.
 

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To me, you only move Vasquez if it's a clear overpay - barring an injury he'll still have good value this winter.

Likewise, you only move Xander if it's a ridiculous overpay - I have faith that Chaim and the gang will have the team competitive enough by the time X's opt-out comes along that he'll want to stay.

Regarding JBJ - the optics do matter at this moment in time, IMO. I'd move him if it's a defensible trade that is a clear win for the Sox, and even then they are still going to face serious blowback. You can't move Jackie for a meh lottery ticket right now.
You are correct about the serious blowback, optics wise. For that reason I hope it doesn't happen.
 

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Sources: In a money swap deal, Rangers have discussed Odor for Nathan Eovaldi. Could involve Rangers taking on money extra money. Could involve a prospect going to Boston. Could go nowhere.
Yuck. I mean, Eovaldi is nothing special, despite his excellent velocity. But Odor is the epitome of the current offensive thought process: swings for the fences, with predictable results: Lots of HR, terrible batting average and OBP, with tons of strikeouts.

Career line of .238/.290/.436/.726, 88 ops+

I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a 25 hr guy playing 2b, batting in the nine-hole, but he's nothing special at all. He's been worth -0.6 bWAR this year, and in two of the last four seasons he's had negative WAR numbers.
 

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The Red Sox have a greater need for pitching at this time than for 2B. I would prefer, given a choice, if a player is being overpaid currently that he be a pitcher.
 

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Yuck. I mean, Eovaldi is nothing special, despite his excellent velocity. But Odor is the epitome of the current offensive thought process: swings for the fences, with predictable results: Lots of HR, terrible batting average and OBP, with tons of strikeouts.

Career line of .238/.290/.436/.726, 88 ops+
Agreed. Makes no sense. The Sox need to add starting pitching, not rid themselves of it.

I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to have a 25 hr guy playing 2b, batting in the nine-hole, but he's nothing special at all.
He’s already on the roster, and his name is Michael Chavis.
 

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If there is a prospect involved and it also allows them to shed some salary, then I'm ok with it. A 9 mill AAV guy coming back doesn't really hurt their payroll much, and they are not obligated to play him every day. Eovaldi is also due another injury any day now.
 

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That rumor is a pure money-saving deal, it has nothing to do with baseball from Bloom's side.
 

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With the luxury tax reset (as of later today), is the AAV savings really that big a factor at this point? There's no big re-signing they need to make room for nor is there a significant free agent to play for this winter, so I don't see much of a gain trading one of the few starting pitchers of quality they have (injuries be damned) for yet another middle infielder.
 

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We don't need to save money in 2021 or 2022 -- we can spend whatever we want. And who knows what the world, our roster, or the rules look like by the next time we'd have to reset the tax in 2023. The Eovaldi/Odor thing makes so little sense that I wonder if Grant's just getting his wires crossed. Odor plus a meaningful prospect for Chavis is more the deal I'd want.
 

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Can someone briefly fill me in on why Pillar is getting so much hate? I haven't been consuming much sports-related media lately.
 

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Can someone briefly fill me in on why Pillar is getting so much hate? I haven't been consuming much sports-related media lately.
I believe he was quoted as saying something along the lines of not believing that we should be uplifting one group of people over any other. More or less an all lives matter-type willful misunderstanding of what protests are fighting for.
 

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We don't need to save money in 2021 or 2022 -- we can spend whatever we want. And who knows what the world, our roster, or the rules look like by the next time we'd have to reset the tax in 2023. The Eovaldi/Odor thing makes so little sense that I wonder if Grant's just getting his wires crossed. Odor plus a meaningful prospect for Chavis is more the deal I'd want.
They can spend whatever they want, but they don’t have to - and being under the luxury tax next year means that they won’t have to reset until 2024 instead of 2023.

Of course, as you say, there might be a totally different CBA by that time, and in any event this would be a stupid trade if they didn’t get back a pretty good prospect, but in a vacuum it’s not crazy that they’d be looking to shed a bit more salary if they think they won’t be particularly competitive in 2021 either.
 

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Eovaldi still is a serviceable 4th starter on a good team, and as we saw he can get hot for stretches. I don't see any point to dumping him unless there's a quality prospect in there, but then it wouldn't be a dump
 

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Can someone briefly fill me in on why Pillar is getting so much hate? I haven't been consuming much sports-related media lately.
He has also used an anti-gay slur in public in the past, so people aren’t giving him much benefit of the doubt for his All Lives Matter-ish remark.
 

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Pillar walked back some of his ALM-ish stuff but it was not the most erudite retraction (probably why he's a baseball player and not a motivational speaker) and said "Black lives matter" in the process, and somewhat fell on his sword, so some of the backlash may be overblown but he certainly didn't do himself any favors.
 

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Pillar walked back some of his ALM-ish stuff but it was not the most erudite retraction (probably why he's a baseball player and not a motivational speaker) and said "Black lives matter" in the process, and somewhat fell on his sword, so some of the backlash may be overblown but he certainly didn't do himself any favors.
I think the bolded is something to always keep in mind with these guys. Many ballplayers (like many people in general) are not all that well-spoken nor all that well-informed. I'm willing to cut guys some slack if they are quick and eager to walk back otherwise dumb or offensive things...particularly heat-of-the-moment utterings. Others might not. So be it.

I'd also like to think that if dumb and offensive things (both words and actions) are an issue with clubhouse chemistry, they're going to be addressed. See Cleveland and Clevinger. Clevinger did something monumentally stupid and pissed off his teammates to the point that they didn't want him around even after he apologized (and cleared COVID tests so ultimately caused no harm). They suspended him, sent him down, then traded him away. So far at least, that hasn't happened with either Sox player in question. So this might be a case where only some fans are upset or bothered by it, and the guys in the clubhouse have forgiven them and moved on.
 

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surprisingly quiet today. I thought Pillar and JBJ were certain goners.

JBJ would take a QO, wouldn't he?
 

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If memory serves, quite a few deals aren't reported until, say, three or four hours after the deadline.
 

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Pillar walked back some of his ALM-ish stuff but it was not the most erudite retraction (probably why he's a baseball player and not a motivational speaker) and said "Black lives matter" in the process, and somewhat fell on his sword, so some of the backlash may be overblown but he certainly didn't do himself any favors.
He didn't even have to fall on his sword. He just had to say something like, "Yeah, you know what? I wasn't thinking when I said that, and with reflection, I can see how it comes off as completely bone-headed. I apologized to Jackie, and I want to apologize to anyone else who was offended. Nobody should have to live in fear of the police."

It was a low, low bar.
 

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If memory serves, quite a few deals aren't reported until, say, three or four hours after the deadline.
What's the actual criteria that determines whether a deal was done before the deadline? Agreed to in principle? Finished and signed? Finalized contingent on X? Something in between?
 

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RHF hits it on the head - a lot of these guys are, to put it nicely, not booksmart. Most of their lives have probably been spent in, on, or around baseball teams and organizations and it's likely what most of them slept, drank, and ate. Anyone who's ever seen Everybody Wants Some!! or Major League or Bull Durham or read "Ball Four" will know that most of these guys probably don't know much beyond what they need to know to be good baseball players. Should they know better? Absolutely, but it's not like they've ever been held accountable on this sort of thing before. Some may be pure racist, homophobic shitheads and beyond redemption, but most probably just need to be given a fresh perspective. Hopefully that is what's happening now and the attitudes of the Brasiers, Pillars, Hembrees, et al, will become a thing of the past. But it's not going to be a smooth transition.

Anyway, to get back on topic, they should trade for Odor if Joey Bats is coming to town and sell Zoom call spots for the rematch of fisticuffs between the two, but he has little use here otherwise.
 

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If memory serves, quite a few deals aren't reported until, say, three or four hours after the deadline.
Yeah, there may a few deals announced after the deadline but I don't think it will be 3 or 4 hours after.
 

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RHF hits it on the head - a lot of these guys are, to put it nicely, not booksmart. Most of their lives have probably been spent in, on, or around baseball teams and organizations and it's likely what most of them slept, drank, and ate. Anyone who's ever seen Everybody Wants Some!! or Major League or Bull Durham or read "Ball Four" will know that most of these guys probably don't know much beyond what they need to know to be good baseball players. Should they know better? Absolutely, but it's not like they've ever been held accountable on this sort of thing before. Some may be pure racist, homophobic shitheads and beyond redemption, but most probably just need to be given a fresh perspective. Hopefully that is what's happening now and the attitudes of the Brasiers, Pillars, Hembrees, et al, will become a thing of the past. But it's not going to be a smooth transition.

Anyway, to get back on topic, they should trade for Odor if Joey Bats is coming to town and sell Zoom call spots for the rematch of fisticuffs between the two, but he has little use here otherwise.
Judging baseball players' intelligence levels based on Major League or Bull Durham is idiotic and has no representation on reality. Most baseball players are intelligent human beings with a good percentage of of them college-educated before entering pro ball. It's rather insulting to characterize a whole industry of people based on a couple of players.