Remy ceremony Wed. 4/20 at 6:30 on NESN...

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100%, I was a little stunned that they didn't have anything from Orsillo as part of the whole thing, and it would have been very reasonable for people to ask questions if we heard nothing at all from him.

I am struggling to come up with any acceptable explanation for why they couldn't be bothered to play a 30 second video from Orsillo. I'm not inclined to think there is one.
 

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There had to be some kind of blow up between Orsillo and Werner that got personnel. It’s the only explanation.
 

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Not a good look for the Sox. If Orsillo’s part wasn’t provided in time, they should have hounded him for it, or created their own segment with highlights of the two….something. Ugh.
 

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Yeah fuck NESN and the Red Sox. Orsillo wanted to be there or at least record a video for the moment. The team/nesn’s behavior surrounding Orsillo is completely disgusting. This has been an ongoing problem for the organization with personnel that depart the Red Sox. Orsillo, Francona etc.
 

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Here I thought the Red Sox had a beautiful ceremony notwithstanding the Orsiillo diss. I thought Sean hit it out of the park with his speech and i thought it was great they named the booth after Jerry . However, the Orsiillo diss puts a big damper on things. To be fair; Orsillo wasn't the only absance. Bob Kurtz who called games on NESN after Ned Martin and before Orsillo wasn't even acknowledged. While not on the level of Orsillo's level, it was shameful that someone who worked with Jerry for about 7 years wasn't even mentioned. Was there heat between Kurtz and the Red Sox as well
 

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Vile and classless move by the execs.

This makes me not want to support the team. Their answer better be good, or someone better be stepping down.
 

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Not a good look for the Sox. If Orsillo’s part wasn’t provided in time, they should have hounded him for it, or created their own segment with highlights of the two….something. Ugh.
They can throw up replays on the video board within seconds, I think throwing up a 30 second video with 20 hours’ lead time would be a layup.

It’s just low rent bullshit by whichever petty children still run these things for NESN and the Red Sox, and shame on Henry and Werner for allowing this to happen.
 

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NESN sucks and blows, and we all know that already, and now it can officially bleed into the team. Pathetic! Tom still kisses Bill and Rosanne's assed cashes those big checks, but Don is the bad one he needs to shit on?

His muppet voice wimp ass cheap destruction of NESN is a stain on the team.

Fuck Tom and by association Chief Nerd John.

And VP Pan can go fuck herself in the ear with a trident.
 

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Reminds me of when Buddy LeRoux tried to ruin Tony C. night. In this case, it appears it's the Red Sox organization (and not Don Orsillo) who are in the role of ol' Buddy.
Still, to me, the worst thing I've ever seen a Red Sox ownership do
 
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Why wasn't Bob Kurtz even acknowledged? It wasn't like he was chopped liver. I agree that it is a bad look if what Orsiillo said is true. The Red Sox had to know there would be questions asked if Orsillo wasn't apart of the ceremony..
 

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Chad’s take:

So to give the Sox the benefit of the doubt, what this sounds to me like is that they asked Orsillo, he dithered getting back to them, they went on with their planning and had all the events in the ceremony locked in and then Don rolls in at the last moment with his video message. I mean it's not a great defense, but if you're trying to make sure the game starts close to on time I can see where they'd want to have a little more lead time trying to get all the timings worked out.
 

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Still, to me, the worst thing I've ever seen a Red Sos ownership do
I confess I knew nothing about Leroux’s Tony C debacle until your and lamabe’s posts spurred me to look it up. Hoooooly shit. Explains a lot about the personnel management in the late 70s through the 80s.
 

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So to give the Sox the benefit of the doubt, what this sounds to me like is that they asked Orsillo, he dithered getting back to them, they went on with their planning and had all the events in the ceremony locked in and then Don rolls in at the last moment with his video message. I mean it's not a great defense, but if you're trying to make sure the game starts close to on time I can see where they'd want to have a little more lead time trying to get all the timings worked out.
These clowns don't deserve any benefit in this kind of stuff.
 

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So to give the Sox the benefit of the doubt, what this sounds to me like is that they asked Orsillo, he dithered getting back to them, they went on with their planning and had all the events in the ceremony locked in and then Don rolls in at the last moment with his video message. I mean it's not a great defense, but if you're trying to make sure the game starts close to on time I can see where they'd want to have a little more lead time trying to get all the timings worked out.
I mean that’s a very weak excuse. His video message wouldn’t have taken more than what, a minute? You can fit that in somewhere. Easily.
 

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I don't buy that excuse. Even if they really were worried about 30 seconds pregame, they could've just aired it at some point during the game.
 

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Regardless of the FO's personal opinion of Orsillo.... given his previous lengthy Red sox tenure and well known very close relationship with Remy, it's insane he was left out of the ceremony if he wanted to be in it.

Deranged behavior that makes you wonder if something is legitimately wrong with a few of the people upstairs.
 

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Note: There may be two sides to all stories. Sure. Problem? One of the sides might be petty & ugly. It’s illuminating she had nothing else to say than that. The whole situation is gross.
 

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Note: There may be two sides to all stories. Sure. Problem? One of the sides might be petty & ugly. It’s illuminating she had nothing else to say than that. The whole situation is gross.
Agreed. Even if Orsillo is an absolute turd, there's just no excuse leaving him out. The ceremony was supposed to be about Remy, not the current front office.

If you can't look past any differences in this unique circumstance, that's a very poor reflection on the current people in charge.
 

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Agreed. Even if Orsillo is an absolute turd, there's just no excuse leaving him out. The ceremony was supposed to be about Remy, not the current front office.

If you can't look past any differences in this unique circumstance, that's a very poor reflection on the current people in charge.
And when it comes to assigning turd studs in this matter, Don isn't factoring in.

Don's not a turd, he's only the lead on the best tv team in MLB for multiple years.
 

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If the Sox VP Pam says there are two sides to the story, she better put her thinkng cap on and fabricate one pretty soon that explains why they couldn't give Orsillo 30 seconds to pay tribute to his partner for 15 years.

Its seems petty and vindictive.
 

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And when it comes to assigning turd studs in this matter, Don isn't factoring in.

Don's not a turd, he's only the lead on the best tv team in MLB for multiple years.
I agree, I think Orsillo is great. Not a turd at all.

Just making that point that even if Orsillo was terrible, they still should be including him based on his relationship with Remy.

It was a tribute to Remy, not for one for someone in the FO. Not including him is embarrassing.
 

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Update with the other side of the story: Red Sox say they did invite him, but he told them he couldn't make it. (Padres did have a game today.) When they talked a week ago, there was discussion of a video, but no promise, and ultimately, videos weren't part of the ceremony.

So in other words, they gave him a nonvite.
 

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If the Sox VP Pam says there are two sides to the story, she better put her thinkng cap on and fabricate one pretty soon that explains why they couldn't give Orsillo 30 seconds to pay tribute to his partner for 15 years.

Its seems petty and vindictive.
It boggles my mind that nobody in power on Jersey St couldn't comprehend one simple fact.

Run a 30-second video and everybody smiles, don't run it and we look like idiots.
 

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Why would NESN include Don in its Remy tribute a few weeks ago and not include him tonight? Doesn't make sense. Plus nobody has explained why Bob Kurtz wasn't even mentioned at all.
 

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Why would NESN include Don in its Remy tribute a few weeks ago and not include him tonight? Doesn't make sense. Plus nobody has explained why Bob Kurtz wasn't even mentioned at all.
Bob Kurtz is totally forgotten. He had the uncomfortable role when he replaced Ned Martin in 1993 and left in 2000 to become the radio voice of the NHL Wild ( he just retired )

At least Sean McDonough was part of the tribute.

View: https://twitter.com/SoxBooth/status/1516934656402337792
 

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Their excuse doesn't hold water. A one minute video being added at the last second would have been the easiest thing in the world to insert even if Orsillo didn't send it til 6pm the day of.
 

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It boggles my mind that nobody in power on Jersey St couldn't comprehend one simple fact.

Run a 30-second video and everybody smiles, don't run it and we look like idiots.
This is the key point. This was a needlessly self inflicted wound. One doesn’t have to like Orsillo to understand that in the peak years of the organization that Don and Jerry were the team. To the fans they are two sides of the same coin.

Not to honor this in any way isn’t a slap in the face to Orsillo it’s a slap in the face to the fans.
 

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Their excuse doesn't hold water. A one minute video being added at the last second would have been the easiest thing in the world to insert even if Orsillo didn't send it til 6pm the day of.
Remy was heartbroken when Orsillo was fired but had to tow the company line because he needed the income as he had enormous legal bills because of his son and the bars with his name were floundering.
 

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I was only following the game tangentially last night, so I logged in to read about Remy's ceremony.

Instead I find the majority of the thread is about whether adequate and proper respect was given to Don Orsilo's feelings.

Weird.
 

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I was only following the game tangentially last night, so I logged in to read about Remy's ceremony.

Instead I find the majority of the thread is about whether adequate and proper respect was given to Don Orsilo's feelings.

Weird.
Same here. I thought the "Remembering Jerry" show was a much better production. Watching Yaz walk in from LF was less fun than I could have imagined, and I may have dozed off during Bob Stanley's speech. McDonough was great, but they could have done it with Jerry's family and a few former players and broadcast booth partners (did Eck speak?) only, instead of a bunch of NESN producers and directors and all the on-field reporters during Remy's tenure. Although it was nice to see Gary Striewski again, I guess, for his fans.
 

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Update with the other side of the story: Red Sox say they did invite him, but he told them he couldn't make it. (Padres did have a game today.) When they talked a week ago, there was discussion of a video, but no promise, and ultimately, videos weren't part of the ceremony.

So in other words, they gave him a nonvite.
I’m not a Don guy but I get the outrage given his tweet on it and how things ended with him. Even still, I’m not sure this was a conspiracy.

@Chad Finn says that the Sox invited Don to appear in person but that he told them he couldn’t make it. So they discussed the possibility of a video and then some time passed. By the time Don recorded a video the night before the Sox had already decided to have people in person only – and they didn’t want to make an exception for Don with him being the only guy who got a video.

Chad said he thinks it may have been a miscommunication – but it def. seems like Don is kind of stoking the flames here a bit by suggesting he was promised a video and the team reneged. Chad goes on to say that if they were really trying to exclude him they probably would’ve in the tribute from a few weeks ago in which he participated. That seems to make sense to me.

The stuff with the VP and her husband suggests to me that maybe Don has been difficult behind the scenes but who knows.
 

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I was only following the game tangentially last night, so I logged in to read about Remy's ceremony.

Instead I find the majority of the thread is about whether adequate and proper respect was given to Don Orsilo's feelings.

Weird.
I think it taps into something bigger - there have been many things from Theo to Francona to trading Mookie Betts where the actions of the team served the needs of ownership and nothing else.

You can even add Orsillo’s departure to that list. This ownership group is sometimes tone deaf if I’m being kind and vindictive if I’m not.
 

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I was only following the game tangentially last night, so I logged in to read about Remy's ceremony.

Instead I find the majority of the thread is about whether adequate and proper respect was given to Don Orsilo's feelings.

Weird.
And as others have said, if they just play the video then everyone is talking about Jerry today.
 

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I’m not a Don guy but I get the outrage given his tweet on it and how things ended with him. Even still, I’m not sure this was a conspiracy.

@Chad Finn says that the Sox invited Don to appear in person but that he told them he couldn’t make it. So they discussed the possibility of a video and then some time passed. By the time Don recorded a video the night before the Sox had already decided to have people in person only – and they didn’t want to make an exception for Don with him being the only guy who got a video.

Chad said he thinks it may have been a miscommunication – but it def. seems like Don is kind of stoking the flames here a bit by suggesting he was promised a video and the team reneged. Chad goes on to say that if they were really trying to exclude him they probably would’ve in the tribute from a few weeks ago in which he participated. That seems to make sense to me.

The stuff with the VP and her husband suggests to me that maybe Don has been difficult behind the scenes but who knows.
All of this could be true yet it’s still an incredibly poor look for the Red Sox. If Orsillo is available in any capacity you make him part of the ceremony. He was that important to Remy.
 

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And as others have said, if they just play the video then everyone is talking about Jerry today.
I doubt that.

But whatever. It was cool that the Sox put on a public ceremony of some kind for Remy, and I think the patch decision is a nice one. I'm glad so many people were able to attend and speak about the man's life and legacy.

That'll conclude my involvement in the thread. Back to the regularly scheduled stuff.
 
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Squeezing in a 60-second video on the jumbotron is not rocket science. Even if not in the pre-game ceremony, there are still at least 16 breaks that are normally filled with absolute fluff. Call it an own goal by Sox ownership, and their twitter response to date is a second own goal.
 

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The video delay excuse doesn't fly with me. If Orsillo wanted to be there, he should have been invited. Their friendship was important to both of them, and the fanbase (mostly) loved it. Why are the Sox so bad at this stuff?

Edit: Sorry, must have read things wrong.
 
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