Retiring the Numbers of Red Sox Legends

[MentalDisabldLst]

With the news a few days ago that Clemens, Pedro and Nomar had been selected to the Red Sox HOF, my thoughts turned to the Sox' retired numbers.  As everyone knows, the Red Sox have 7 retired numbers:

• #1, Bobby Doerr: 14 seasons at 2B (1937-1951) all with Sox, 51.3 career WAR, led the team in offense in the '46 WS, perennial MVP candidate, HOF via Veterans' Committee in 1986, number retired in 1988.
• #4, Joe Cronin: 20 seasons at SS (1926-1945), 11 with Sox, 66.4 career WAR, led the team to '46 WS as manager, still holds record for most wins as Sox manager, was later League President, established Red Sox link to Jimmy Fund, HOF via BBWAA in 1956, number retired in 1984.
• #6, Johnny Pesky: 10 seasons at SS/2B (1942-1954), 8 with Sox, later a manager, 60+ year association with team.  Not in the HOF, but known as "Mr. Red Sox", number retired in 2008.
• #8, Carl Yastrzemski: 23 years at LF (1961-1983), all with Sox, 96 career WAR, league MVP / triple-crown in '67 leading team to pennant, HOF via BBWAA in 1989, number retired in 1989.
• #9, Ted Williams: 19 years at LF (1939-1960), all with Sox, 123.2 career WAR, awards too numerous to list, HOF via BBWAA in 1966, number retired in 1984.
• #14, Jim Rice: 16 years at LF (1974-1989), all with Sox, 47.2 career WAR, 1978 MVP, HOF via BBWAA in 2009, number retired in 2009.
• #27, Carlton Fisk: 24 years at C (1969-1993), 11 with Sox, 68.3 career WAR, 1972 RoY, hit a pretty cool HR in the 1975 WS, widely regarded as among the best 2-3 catchers of all time, HOF via BBWAA in 2000, number retired in 2000.

(plus #42, Jackie Robinson).  By comparison, the Yankees have 16 retired numbers, plus Robinson.
 
The question is, who from among the stars of Red Sox' recent decades, will be (or should be) honored by the Sox retiring their number?  The criteria are, of course:
 
- Election to the Baseball HOF
- At least 10 years played with the Red Sox
 
Leaving aside long-enshrined HOFers who had big chunks of their career with the Sox (Tris Speaker, Lefty Grove, Jimmy Foxx, Babe Ruth...), who among these will eventually have their number retired?  Who should?  Who will even make the HOF?  Something to think about during a cold offseason.  Let me know if I should add anyone to the poll.

 

[Papo The Snow Tiger]

Roger and Pedro got my Hall of Fame eventually votes. I would LOVE to see Luis Tiant and Curt Schilling get into the Hall, and as a Red Sox fan I think they should, but I don't think they will. The other guys just don't measure up. The only number I retired was Pedro's; he was a once in a lifetime type pitcher, and his best years came in Boston. Upon further thought I'm kind of sorry now that I didn't vote to have Wake's number retired. He truly put the team first.

Even though he's not retired yet, I think Papi will make the Hall and I think his number should certainly be retired.

 

[Yaz4Ever]

IMHO, Pedro, Wake, and 'Tek are the only three from that list (Papi will join them eventually) who should have their numbers up with the likes of Pesky, Yaz, and Ted.  Still don't think Fisk should be up there and I despise Rice so I'm biased there.  Pedro, Wake, and 'Tek, however, aren't debatable.  

 

[Toe Nash]

I'm sort of torn about the whole Sox retiring numbers thing. I like that they have criteria and that they don't elect dozens of players like the Yankees (or Celtics). But, there are a few problems with them:
1. Times have changed and it's going to be rare for anyone to fit the criteria going forward. Maybe that's fine but I wouldn't want to exclude Pedro because he was only here 7 years and not 10. Or exclude Ortiz because some idiots don't think DHs should make the HoF.
2. They've already relaxed the criteria once for Fisk and then made an exception fo Pesky. I support both being in but if you make an exception for Pesky, well, why can't you just evaluate everyone on a case by case basis instead of having rules?
3. Since I think they're going to end up evaluating this current glut of players on a case-by-case basis, then they should just get rid of the rules. I mean, Ortiz is borderline for the Hall, but you're really not going to retire his number? Maybe you can explain away Pedro but Ortiz had a huge hand in all three championships. I support having high standards which I think was the intention of the original rules, but the original rules don't necessarily have to be the means to those high standards. Also, Boggs fits the original rules, why is his number not retired? Because he went to NY and won?
 
Of the list, I would retire Ortiz and Pedro's numbers. That keeps the same high standards even though neither may meet the criteria -- the next time we have perhaps the best pitcher of all time and the best DH of all time, their numbers can be retired as well.

 

[AbbyNoho]

I picked Clemens, Pedro, and Manny for the Hall. Pedro will be in immediately, it might be a while for the other two. As far as retired numbers go, just Pedro. Like others mentioned, I think Ortiz eventually. 

 

[mauf]

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#27, Carlton Fisk: 24 years at C (1969-1993), 11 with Sox, 68.3 career WAR, 1972 RoY, hit a pretty cool HR in the 1975 WS, widely regarded as among the best 2-3 catchers of all time, HOF via BBWAA in 2000, number retired in 2000.

Is this true?

I've never heard Pudge mentioned in the same breath as Josh Gibson, Bill Terry or Johnny Bench, but maybe I'm underrating him.

 

[richgedman'sghost]

Is this true?

I've never heard Pudge mentioned in the same breath as Josh Gibson, Bill Terry or Johnny Bench, but maybe I'm underrating him.

Bill Terry was a first basemen for the NY Baseball Giants. Not sure who you could be thinking of. Maybe Bill Dickey?

 

[mabrowndog]

Is this true?

 
No. Love the guy, but it's patently false.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

It's stupid that Boggs number 26 is not retired. On both sides.

Ortiz number will be retired. Pedro will be retired. Schilling hopefully. Clemens eventually will be, as well.

And, I really hope 24 is retired. Two iconic players

 

[VTSox]

I'm sort of torn about the whole Sox retiring numbers thing. I like that they have criteria and that they don't elect dozens of players like the Yankees (or Celtics). But, there are a few problems with them:
1. Times have changed and it's going to be rare for anyone to fit the criteria going forward. Maybe that's fine but I wouldn't want to exclude Pedro because he was only here 7 years and not 10. Or exclude Ortiz because some idiots don't think DHs should make the HoF.
2. They've already relaxed the criteria once for Fisk and then made an exception fo Pesky. I support both being in but if you make an exception for Pesky, well, why can't you just evaluate everyone on a case by case basis instead of having rules?
3. Since I think they're going to end up evaluating this current glut of players on a case-by-case basis, then they should just get rid of the rules. I mean, Ortiz is borderline for the Hall, but you're really not going to retire his number? Maybe you can explain away Pedro but Ortiz had a huge hand in all three championships. I support having high standards which I think was the intention of the original rules, but the original rules don't necessarily have to be the means to those high standards. Also, Boggs fits the original rules, why is his number not retired? Because he went to NY and won?
 
Of the list, I would retire Ortiz and Pedro's numbers. That keeps the same high standards even though neither may meet the criteria -- the next time we have perhaps the best pitcher of all time and the best DH of all time, their numbers can be retired as well.

 
 
The original rules, which seem to be applied to Boggs, included a player ending their career with the Sox.  It was loosely interpreted to retire 27, as was the 10-year requirement.

 

[JohntheBaptist]

I would retire just Pedro's, and Ortiz when he's done. I have to think if they were going to do Boggs', it'd be done by now.

 

[Toe Nash]

 
 
The original rules, which seem to be applied to Boggs, included a player ending their career with the Sox.  It was loosely interpreted to retire 27, as was the 10-year requirement.

Right, so they bent / changed the rules for the guys who they liked and who liked them back and not for guys who didn't care. Why have rules then? Just evaluate everyone on their own merits. 

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Pedro will get the ten years as a combo of player and special assistant, so don't you worry about that.

 

[VTSox]

Right, so they bent / changed the rules for the guys who they liked and who liked them back and not for guys who didn't care. Why have rules then? Just evaluate everyone on their own merits. 

 
I 90% agree with this.  I like the Hall-of-Fame rule, not so much for the election, but for the 5-years of perspective it gives.  

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

No. Love the guy, but it's patently false.

 
Well, that's perhaps worthy of another thread, but I put him behind Bench, roughly tied with Berra, and ahead of Campanella.  Josh Gibson didn't play in MLB, so far or not it's hard to put him on that list.
 
Who are the 3 catchers who are clearly, unambiguously ahead of Fisk for GOAT catcher?  If I could find the GOAT threads easily, I'd go poke around there.  Maybe you've got them handy.

 

[mikeford]

Can I have a write-in vote for Dwight Evans? 

 

[Orel Miraculous]

Get rid of both the 10 year rule and the retire-with-the-Sox rule and replace them with a rule and that says a player's number can only be retired if he spent more seasons with the Red Sox than any other team. That change solves the problem of retiring numbers in the free agency era (and gets Pedro up there), but retains a certain amount of exclusivity. And this should be exclusive--extremely exclusive. Ideally, the Red Sox would never retire the number of any player whose number could reasonably retired by another team. There will always be tough calls like Pudge who basically split his career down the middle between two teams, but a guy like Curt Schilling who only spent 3 and half seasons with the Sox and whose number will almost certainly be retired by the Phils should not even be considered for the facade.

 

[Stanley Steamer]

Nice topic, though it would be good to have a "none of the above" choice, especially for the last two.
I think Clemens will eventually get in the Hall, but he no longer appeals to most of the Sox fan base; so his number won't get retired, at least not for a while, until his statistical prowess takes presidence over his bristly, egocentric character. Pedro may not merit either award, based on his career stats and his limited time playing in Boston. But I think he will get the number retirement and possibly the HOF, because he had a sustained period of dominance like few before, and as such is regarded as something of a demi-god in Boston.
Similarly, I wouldn't be shocked if Schill gets rewarded not for his career stats, but for the nature of his triumphs and performances. The bloody sock is a key part of baseball lore now, making it hard to leave out the man who donned it.
I don't see any of the others getting their numbers retired. Boggs probably has the strongest case, but it's been awhile, and his days weren't marked by much team success.
The current generation will be lauded by the team in time, and Big Papi has to have his number retired. Beyond Pedro, it's too early to say. Pedroia is a likely candidate.

 

[SoxFanInCali]

It's clear the team is willing to tweak (Fisk) or outright disregard (Pesky) the rules to retire the number of guys they think deserve it, so they might as well get rid of the rules and decide on a case-by-case basis.
 
The Hall of Fame is for the best players in the game's history.  Retired numbers are also for great players, but to me it's more than just putting up great numbers.  It's tough to put into words, but to me it's more about guys who really made a connection over a long period of time with the fan base and the community while also starring on the field.  Whether Ortiz makes the Hall or not, his number absolutely should be retired.  Wakefield is obviously not a Hall of Fame player, but a good case could be made that he deserves a number retirement.  Should Rice's number have been retired?  I probably wouldn't have done it.  Yes, it's very subjective, but again, they're bending or breaking the "rules" now anyways.
 
I would like to see it remain an exclusive honor.  I think most teams retire too many numbers these days.

 

[allaboutthesox]

It's clear the team is willing to tweak (Fisk) or outright disregard (Pesky) the rules to retire the number of guys they think deserve it, so they might as well get rid of the rules and decide on a case-by-case basis.
 
The Hall of Fame is for the best players in the game's history.  Retired numbers are also for great players, but to me it's more than just putting up great numbers.  It's tough to put into words, but to me it's more about guys who really made a connection over a long period of time with the fan base and the community while also starring on the field.  Whether Ortiz makes the Hall or not, his number absolutely should be retired.  Wakefield is obviously not a Hall of Fame player, but a good case could be made that he deserves a number retirement.  Should Rice's number have been retired?  I probably wouldn't have done it.  Yes, it's very subjective, but again, they're bending or breaking the "rules" now anyways.
 
I would like to see it remain an exclusive honor.  I think most teams retire too many numbers these days.

 
[Bolded] This is where I am at as well, but yet I voted for Nomar to have his number retired.  I only voted for Pedro and Nomar to have their numbers retired.

 

[RoyHobbs]

It's stupid that Boggs number 26 is not retired.

 
Absolutely. Boggs has basically become a forgotten great. If you were conscious during the late 1980s, and especially if you were a baseball loving young'un like me and all my pals, you knew he was the best hitter in the AL and an all-timer. It seems like the org has forgotten him but even more glaringly it just seems that today's brand of casual Sox fan doesn't even know who he is.
 
In terms of Sox hitting prowess, being a 'student of the game,' it's Williams, Boggs, and Manny, isn't it? Guys who at least anecdotally lived and breathed the perfection of their hitting craft?

 

[Jeff Frye]

I think Clemens eventually gets into the HOF, Schilling too.  I would be surprised if Pedro doesn't get in next year in his 1st year on the ballot.  As for retiring numbers; Pedro will, and I think Boggs should. Clemens could get his number retired, but if the team doesn't intend on it, why hasn't anyone worn 21 since Roger bolted for Toronto in '96?

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

Although it's not the be-all and end-all, I think the Career bWAR Leaderboard on B-Ref is a useful tool for understanding how the HOF usually shakes out.  Here's the likelihood of a (non-active, non-recently-retired) player being in the HOF at various ranges in the list:
 
Rank: 1 to 50 (WAR 85.2 to 183.8) - 46 eligible, 44 in HOF, HOF rate 96% (excludes Bonds & Clemens, will shortly include A-Rod, Pujols, Big Unit & Chipper Jones)
Rank: 51 to 100 (WAR 69.8 to 84.9) - 44 eligible, 32 in HOF, HOF rate 73%
Rank: 101 to 150 (WAR 63 to 69.5) - 45 eligible, 33 in HOF, HOF rate 73%
Rank: 151 to 200 (WAR 57.8 to 63) - 41 eligible, 16 in HOF, HOF rate 39%
Rank: 201 to 300 (WAR 49.6 to 57.6) - 87 eligible, 35 in HOF, HOF rate 40%
Rank: 301 to 400 (WAR 44 to 49.5) - 92 eligible, 23 in HOF, HOF rate 25%
Rank: 401 to 600 (WAR 35.8 to 43.9) - 187 eligible, 19 in HOF, HOF rate 10%
Rank: 601 to 800 (WAR 29.7 to 35.8) - 176 eligible, 8 in HOF, HOF rate 5%
Rank: 801 to 1000 (WAR 25.6 to 29.7) - 180 eligible, 3 in HOF, HOF rate 2%
 
Basically, if your WAR is 60, you've got a 50-50 shot.  If it's above 75, you're a near-lock.  If it's below 45, you've got almost no chance.
 
Based on this, Clemens should get in eventually, Pedro is a lock, Manny is about 2/3s likely (pending PEDs), Schilling should be a lock, Tiant got robbed, and the rest are nowhere close.
 
edit: happy to post my spreadsheet if someone's interested in how I computed this.  I only checked for "recently retired" guys to exclude from the eligible rolls down to rank 300, so rates below that may understate the odds slightly.

 

[SeanBerry]

The bWAR leaderboard as it applies to the HOF isn't nearly as applicable as it used to be since the Steriod Era. People aren't voting for Clemens or Bonds (or one day Manny) because they didn't put up good enough numbers or played in a small market region. I highly doubt Bonds and Clemens will get in via the BBWAA. Maybe a Veterans Commission (or even something like a Steriod Group 30-50 years from now) gets him in they aren't getting 75% of the vote.
 
Manny Ramirez is NEVER getting in guys. At least not in our lifetimes. Unlike Bonds and Clemens, he got punished by MLB for PED's (Twice!). Expect the Palmeiro Treatment. Manny is much more likely to fall off the ballot than get voted in.
 
Pedro next year and Boggs after that? As another 80's child, Boggs should really be up there despite the whole Yankee thing. It's easy to forget but the Sox were really high on Scott Cooper at the time and were willing to let Boggs walk.

 

[SeanBerry]

Oh... 4 people think Jason Varitek is going to the Baseball Hall Of Fame? The one in Cooperstown?
 
That could be the dumbest thing I've seen on this board.

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

 

[Leskanic's Thread]

I know I'm wrong.  I've accepted that.
 
I do think he's going to get way more consideration than his numbers deserve, with a heavy media argument built around intangibles and championships.  Especially since the steroid question will cloud two of the other major Hall contenders from the 04 and 07 narratives, I can see a bunch of writers getting behind Varitek as the gritty and clean guy who quietly led the pitching staff, didn't cheat, did things the right way, etc etc.  (Despite the fact that there's no reason to assume anyone wasn't using something in that era...but you know how this works.)  The hype won't be enough to actually get him in, but it'll be talked about a bunch.
 
As a side note, I voted for Manny to get his number retired due to my hope that 24 goes up on the facade; if it happens, there should be two men there to be celebrated.

 

[bankshot1]

I'm a small-minded parochial fan, so watching Boggs and Clemens winning their rings in NY lessened my desire to see them immortalized on
the RF façade.

I'd like to see #45 up there, and eventually #34 and #15.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

As a side note, I voted for Manny to get his number retired due to my hope that 24 goes up on the facade; if it happens, there should be two men there to be celebrated.

 
Saito?  Mike Stanley?

 

[bankshot1]

Ty Law and Sam Jones

 

[SeanBerry]

I know I'm wrong.  I've accepted that.
 
I do think he's going to get way more consideration than his numbers deserve, with a heavy media argument built around intangibles and championships.  Especially since the steroid question will cloud two of the other major Hall contenders from the 04 and 07 narratives, I can see a bunch of writers getting behind Varitek as the gritty and clean guy who quietly led the pitching staff, didn't cheat, did things the right way, etc etc.  (Despite the fact that there's no reason to assume anyone wasn't using something in that era...but you know how this works.)  The hype won't be enough to actually get him in, but it'll be talked about a bunch.

 
You're wrong again.
 
Jason Varitek has 1307 career hits and a 99 OPS+. He's not going to get the 5% to stay on the ballot.
 
Look at the past ballot. Moises Alou got 1.1%. Moises Alou was a better player than Jason Varitek. Luis Gonzalez couldn't even get 1%.
 
If you believe Jason Varitek is even going to get on 25% of the ballot, you have a very poor understanding how the process works or you vastly overrate Jason Varitek as a baseball player.

 

[Leskanic's Thread]

It's probably a little of both.
 
edit, to contribute a little more: no, I'm totally wrong about this.  I didn't think for more than three seconds about it.  I do hope his number is retired someday, and that clouded my thinking for those three seconds.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

 
Absolutely. Boggs has basically become a forgotten great. If you were conscious during the late 1980s, and especially if you were a baseball loving young'un like me and all my pals, you knew he was the best hitter in the AL and an all-timer. It seems like the org has forgotten him but even more glaringly it just seems that today's brand of casual Sox fan doesn't even know who he is.
 
In terms of Sox hitting prowess, being a 'student of the game,' it's Williams, Boggs, and Manny, isn't it? Guys who at least anecdotally lived and breathed the perfection of their hitting craft?

But here is the thing. Essentially Boggs Pedro and Clemens all have their numbers retired by the Boston Red Sox currently. What I mean is that no one will ever wear them again, thus being "retired". To have them honored by the Sox is a different story however. That's a better question. There's been rumors about Boggs for at least 3 years but nothing ever comes to fruition. Maybe this will be the year as I really don't understand why he hasn't been honored yet. If you bend the rules for Fisk then bend it for the chicken man.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

But here is the thing. Essentially Boggs Pedro and Clemens all have their numbers retired by the Boston Red Sox currently. What I mean is that no one will ever wear them again, thus being "retired". To have them honored by the Sox is a different story however. That's a better question. There's been rumors about Boggs for at least 3 years but nothing ever comes to fruition. Maybe this will be the year as I really don't understand why he hasn't been honored yet. If you bend the rules for Fisk then bend it for the chicken man.

 
No one has worn #45 since Pedro left.  No one has worn #21 since Roger left.  Thirteen players have worn #26 since Boggs left the Red Sox after the 1992 season.  It's currently assigned to Brock Holt.  Any recent talk about Boggs' number has been generated by Boggs himself (in 2012 and 2013).  I don't think the Red Sox are in any hurry whatsoever to put #26 on the facade.

 

[worm0082]

45, 21, 49, 33, 34, 24 (Evans) are the numbers I would put up.    I'm on the fence about #'s 25 (Tony C)  & 26 (Merloni Boggs). He never gets mentioned, but I would think about #7 also (DiMaggio).

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Ty Law and Sam Jones

 
O'Reilly and Jones are already retired.  Not that they'll ever retire 24 for Ty Law, but it could be the first number to be retired by 3 of the Boston teams

 

[Soxfan in Fla]

Pedro and Papi (how do you not include him) get their numbers retired.

 

[Merkle's Boner]

I don't really get the fascination of having an exclusive club of retired numbers. I love retired numbers. I love the ceremony for retiring numbers. I love using it as a jumping off point for telling my kids about the Sox of old. I realize we can't do a monument Park type of thing, but I think it would be awesome if they came up with some other way of honoring them and telling the story to the next generation. I don't see why fans wouldn't want to retire a number if the guy associated with it was a great Red Sox and played a substantial part of his career here.

Voted for Boggs, Clemens, Pedro, Tek and Wake. I would add Papi, Pedey, and Lester from the current team. I'd also like to see Manny up there (and Dewey) but I'm not banking on it.

 

[SoxFanInCali]

I don't really get the fascination of having an exclusive club of retired numbers. I love retired numbers. I love the ceremony for retiring numbers. I love using it as a jumping off point for telling my kids about the Sox of old. I realize we can't do a monument Park type of thing, but I think it would be awesome if they came up with some other way of honoring them and telling the story to the next generation. I don't see why fans wouldn't want to retire a number if the guy associated with it was a great Red Sox and played a substantial part of his career here.

Voted for Boggs, Clemens, Pedro, Tek and Wake. I would add Papi, Pedey, and Lester from the current team. I'd also like to see Manny up there (and Dewey) but I'm not banking on it.

Well, I'd like there to be some numbers below 75 available for players 50 years from now.
 
Retiring a number should be for the best of the best, guys that did a lot more than just be a very good player for a long time.  You should be able to point to the 45 on the wall and tell your kids that Pedro was the greatest you ever saw.  The way to tell your kids about other players is to point towards the rookie wearing #33 and explain why that guy has a lot to live up to.

 

[Al Zarilla]

Well, I'd like there to be some numbers below 75 available for players 50 years from now.
 
Retiring a number should be for the best of the best, guys that did a lot more than just be a very good player for a long time.  You should be able to point to the 45 on the wall and tell your kids that Pedro was the greatest you ever saw.  The way to tell your kids about other players is to point towards the rookie wearing #33 and explain why that guy has a lot to live up to.

The Celtics have somehow managed. 
 
I also like Worm's idea about Dom DiMaggio, but don't think it will ever happen. 

 

[Al Zarilla]

Yes, with a twelve man roster.

OK then, the Yankees with 17 (16 counting the two #8s as 1 number). 

 

[Rovin Romine]

I don't know if anyone's pointed it out yet, but Mo Vaughn's number is already retired. (Just not for him.)

 

[jacklamabe65]

As much as I love Tony C. - no. Agree with our Tony C on Rice - you had to be there but I still picture a 5-3 every time I hear his name.
 
El Tiante, Boggs, Roger, Petey, Manny, Papi, and, down the road, Pedey. 

 

[MoGator71]

Not that it's ever going to happen, but I think retiring #49 would be really cool.
 
Not retiring Boggs' #26 is a joke. I was never a huge Boggs fan, but he was an amazing hitter who did most of his damage in Boston.
 
Other than them, Clemens and Pedro are getting in, and their numbers will go up. 
 
And #24 should go up for Manny and Dewey.

 

[Super Nomario]

Strictly speaking, Mo Vaughn's number is already retired, right?

 

[zenter]

I don't know if anyone's pointed it out yet, but Mo Vaughn's number is already retired. (Just not for him.)

 

Strictly speaking, Mo Vaughn's number is already retired, right?

 
By the way, Mo Vaughn's number is already retired, FYI.
 
Seriously: Like MoGator71, a main reason I want to see #24 retired is Dewey, with Manny kind of pushing the number over. Like most, I'm also a fan of seeing #21, #26, #34,and #45 up there.

 

[syoo8]

Only 40% of SoSHers think that Pedro will be inducted into the hall of fame???  He's a sure-fire first-ballot candidate.  (!)

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

As of 4:34 PM, 211 members have voted in the poll. 209 think he should be in the HOF.

 

[zenter]

Only 40% of SoSHers think that Pedro will be inducted into the hall of fame???  He's a sure-fire first-ballot candidate.  (!)

 

As of 4:34 PM, 211 members have voted in the poll. 209 think he should be in the HOF.

 
Yeah, the poll function does multi-vote counting wrong, using total votes as the denominator instead of total voters.

 

[syoo8]

Yeah, the poll function does multi-vote counting wrong, using total votes as the denominator instead of total voters.

 
Ah. Thanks for clarifying.  The bar graph is a bit confusing.