West Ham United... In Moyes we Trust?

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Well time for the annual, Cellar-Door talks to himself West Ham thread.

Transfer Window Outs:
For Fee:
Arnautovic- Off to China
Obiang- to Italy
Chicharito- Late move to Spain
Fernandes- to Germany
Perez- To La Liga
Oxford- to Germany
Byram- to Norwich
Total: $60.8M

Free Transfers:
Adrian
Nasri
Carroll
Makasi

Loaned out to the Championship:
Hugill
Cullen
Diangana


Transfer Window Ins:
Haller
Fornals
Ajeti
Cardoso
Roberto
Martins

TOTAL: $90.9M



Complete overhaul of the front-line is the big story, and adding Fornals into the midfield mix.


Results so far:
Smashed by City
Draw at Brighton
Win at Watford
Win at home against Norwich.


Currently sitting 7th on 7 from 4 and a -1 differential

Even more encouraging, 7 from 3 and +4 when you take out City.
 

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I read every thread in this forum. I appreciate the fans' insight.

Also, it's nice to keep a journal of your feelings through the season. ;)
 

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Fabianski out 2 months with a hip injury. Probably the single hardest injury for West Ham to try and overcome, Fabianski is one of the 5 best keepers in the league and Roberto is..... not at all.
 

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And I was correct, Fabianski papering over the cracks goes away and the club falls apart. Pellegrini possibly to get the Southampton game to save it, but he looks gone.
Sadly, the rumored replacements are:
Moyes... again
Hughton.... garbage
Eddie Howe.... young and English, great qualities if you ask the English press. Please ignore that he's turned a larger net spend into worse results than the last 3 WH managers.

I'm hoping that Arsenal hires someone and West Ham can sneak in for Marcelino after he doesn't get it, but I doubt it. It'll be some dire nonsense caretaker Brit. Fab will return, keeping us up and then the clown in question gets a long term deal, starts failing in year 2 or 3, gets sack.... rinse repeat.
 

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An insider on a West Ham board who usually has good info says that it's 100% Moyes, question is whether it's another 6 month rescue or he got a multi-year deal this time.

Wonder how much if anything Gold and Sullivan spend in the window. The worst CM in the league needs at least 1 (if you believe Wilshere will return, which he probably won't) or 2 new players o stay up.
 

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Moyes is official. What a fucking joke. This club desperately needs for the owners to sell or die.
 

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This must be the guy's last chance, no?
Don’t we think David Moyes could go to Killmonark or Dundee United or Tranmere or whatever and do a job?

I get that after a job in the premiership it must be hard to go “slumming” or whatever, but Moyes could go be a legend at a second club that fits his M.O., instead of tying onto a sinking ship.
 

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Don’t we think David Moyes could go to Killmonark or Dundee United or Tranmere or whatever and do a job?

I get that after a job in the premiership it must be hard to go “slumming” or whatever, but Moyes could go be a legend at a second club that fits his M.O., instead of tying onto a sinking ship.
Is that a typo or a joke? If it's a joke, it's a good un.
 

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So I hadn't truly realized how insane the Fabianski splits are:
With Fabianski Played 10 Won 5 Drew 3 Lost 2 Goals Conceded 11
Without Fabianski Played 13 Won 3 Drew 1 Lost 9 Goals Conceded 25

So if they kept up the Fabianski pace through 23.... 41.4 points round it down.... 41 points, which would be 4th (5 points up on Chelsea and 3 back of Man City)

The non-Fabianski pace.... 17.7 points, let's round it up this time, 18 points 19th, only 4 up on last and 5 adrift of Watford in 18th.

So basically with Fabianski West Ham has played like an easy Europe qualifier, without Fabianski like a no doubt relegation side.
 

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Soucek signed. A shockingly smart signing if Moyes uses him correctly. Assuming no other major signings I'd be hoping he goes with somehting like this:

--------------------Fabianski--------------

Fredericks-----Diop-----Ogbonna-----Cresswell

-------------------Soucek---------Rice-----------------------

Antonio-----------Fornals-------------Anderson

-------------------------Haller-----------------
 

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West Ham signed arguably the best attacking player in the Championship today for what will be between 18 and 25M depending on clauses reached.

Jarrod Bowen from Hull CIty is 23 years old, 3rd in the league in goals at 16, 8th is assists at 7 plays anywhere on a front 3, though prefers the right.
 

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So West Ham will likely stay up because there are 4 teams who are awful as well, but this stat KILLS me.

West Ham have a congested fixture list with 4 matches between 7/1 and 7/10. As part of the re-start to help with fitness and congestion the FA allows 5 subs per team now.

The third match was yesterday, (so 3 between 7/1 and 7/7)

After it these were the minutes out of 270 played:
8 players played all 270 minutes
10 players had at least 250 minutes.

David Moyes is a fucking clown
 

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I find a certain comfort that with the world the way it is now, I can still find a decent chunk of mental space to be outraged by what a fucking goofball Moyes is and how unjust it is that he'll likely be back next season.
 

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I refuse to start a new thread for this season however:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/14/american-consortium-buy-west-ham-first-bid-rejected?CMP=share_btn_tw
American Consortium has 350M bid rejected, looks like the sharks are circling for a sale.
Rumor is that it is Joseph DaGrosa, whose group bid for Newcastle at one point, and briefly owned Bordeaux. He has been giving interviews about how his group plans to buy a PL team and set up a club network like City has (though he isn't excited about MLS for obvious reasons).
https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2020/04/21/joseph-dagrosa-interview-premier-league-la-liga-newcastle-bordeaux-getafe-mls/
 

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A bunch of people with good sources say it is not DaGrosa, and there has been no formal bid, but that CAA has made inquiries about buying the club.

That would be a sea change for WHU and a fascinating development for the Premier League as a whole.
 

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Yep, Moyes is getting the job done. It hasn't always been pretty, and there has been a lot of injury luck in the midfield, but can't argue with the results.
 

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West Ham news that I felt needed a thread bump since it isn't weekly thread material:

Czech Billionaire Daniel Kretinsky has purchased 27% of the club
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/nov/10/daniel-kretinsky-completes-purchase-of-27-percent-stake-in-west-ham

Rumor is it is part of a tiered takeover that will eventually make him the majority owner.
I'm fairly excited for this. Despite how well things are going at the moment, a change in ownership is clearly needed. I only know what I've read in the news stories, but Kretinsky seems like a potentially good owner if that transition happens.
 

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I'm really curios what @Cellar-Door or any other Hammers fans think about how Moyes is going to manage the last month. The key week is 24 April to 1 May, where the hammers will play at Stamford Bridge and then host Arsenal, with the Europa League Semifinal against Frankfurt in between.

With Barca washing out, West Ham looks like the favorites in the Europa League, and that seems a much more likely path into the Champion's League than getting past Arsenal (3 points head) and Spurs (6 points again) into 4th in the EPL. West Ham also has played 1 (spurs) and 2 (Gunners) more games than the teams ahead of them. Beyond the two London Derbys they have a match with City in week 37. They are at 51 points right now and it is hard to see them taking more than 10-12 points from their 6 remaining matches. Arsenal and especially Spurs have a much easier EPL run in and will almost certainly get above 63 points.

It seems like the priority for using players and managing their fitness should be:

1. Frankfurt matches
2. Arsenal match - the team just ahead of them in the table
3. Chelsea match


Obviously the best case would be to play as well as they did today, get to an early lead on Frankfurt and make some key substitutions for rest on that 28 April match.
 

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I'm really curios what @Cellar-Door or any other Hammers fans think about how Moyes is going to manage the last month. The key week is 24 April to 1 May, where the hammers will play at Stamford Bridge and then host Arsenal, with the Europa League Semifinal against Frankfurt in between.

With Barca washing out, West Ham looks like the favorites in the Europa League, and that seems a much more likely path into the Champion's League than getting past Arsenal (3 points head) and Spurs (6 points again) into 4th in the EPL. West Ham also has played 1 (spurs) and 2 (Gunners) more games than the teams ahead of them. Beyond the two London Derbys they have a match with City in week 37. They are at 51 points right now and it is hard to see them taking more than 10-12 points from their 6 remaining matches. Arsenal and especially Spurs have a much easier EPL run in and will almost certainly get above 63 points.

It seems like the priority for using players and managing their fitness should be:

1. Frankfurt matches
2. Arsenal match - the team just ahead of them in the table
3. Chelsea match


Obviously the best case would be to play as well as they did today, get to an early lead on Frankfurt and make some key substitutions for rest on that 28 April match.
This seems exactly right to me. And it reflects the way we've been playing the last few matches, frankly. I was telling a fellow Hammers friend during today's match that it really looks to the eye like we've basically punted on moving up the table at this point - and it would make sense as you lay out. Every weekend I keep thinking "well, if they can sneak a win here and a couple clubs ahead of them drop a game they're favored to win maybe we're back in business" but it just keeps not happening and the team doesn't have the depth to make the most of every game in both Europa and EPL so I'd be stunned if Moyes' doesn't essentially go all-in on the former (while maintaining some pretext of staying competitive in the latter).
 

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I'm really curios what @Cellar-Door or any other Hammers fans think about how Moyes is going to manage the last month. The key week is 24 April to 1 May, where the hammers will play at Stamford Bridge and then host Arsenal, with the Europa League Semifinal against Frankfurt in between.

With Barca washing out, West Ham looks like the favorites in the Europa League, and that seems a much more likely path into the Champion's League than getting past Arsenal (3 points head) and Spurs (6 points again) into 4th in the EPL. West Ham also has played 1 (spurs) and 2 (Gunners) more games than the teams ahead of them. Beyond the two London Derbys they have a match with City in week 37. They are at 51 points right now and it is hard to see them taking more than 10-12 points from their 6 remaining matches. Arsenal and especially Spurs have a much easier EPL run in and will almost certainly get above 63 points.

It seems like the priority for using players and managing their fitness should be:

1. Frankfurt matches
2. Arsenal match - the team just ahead of them in the table
3. Chelsea match


Obviously the best case would be to play as well as they did today, get to an early lead on Frankfurt and make some key substitutions for rest on that 28 April match.
I assume the same, on the other hand, Moyes doesn't rotate much, and there are some injury issues, especially at CB so he might just try to muscle through it