RFP Rules & Procedures: Year 2

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This is the thread where you submit your proposal for new rules and/or rules changes. Your post should be clearly marked PROPOSAL. All proposals will then be discussed and, given momentum, voted upon by league members. 
 
PROPOSAL: Chief Cat Herder & Deputy Cat Herder
Annually, an election by league members will select two members to serve 1 season (defined as from Draft to Draft) as Chief and Deputy Cat Herder. This vote will be public. Members will be allowed to state reasons they should NOT be selected in the annual voting thread. 
 
Chief and Deputy Cat Herder will be responsible for sending Personal Message reminders throughout the League Year to members. This will include Draft, Off-Season Schedule, Playoff Voting and any other league business. 
 
This proposal is to honor the request of League Year One Chief Cat Herder, Morgan'sMagicSnowplow. We all owe MMS our thanks and our gratitude for keeping this thing rolling and for herding this group of cats. MMS will be exempt from the League Year Two election and be granted a permanent seat on the League Commission to break voting ties (see League Voting Rules). 
 
Further, SeoulSoxFan will be permanently exempt from either position. As our Dope, he will be the permanent third cat herder, voice of reason and can perform certain necessary functions as needed - he cannot be expected to take on the whole responsibility. 
 
PROPOSAL: League Voting Rules
All league votes/polls will be public. If necessary, SSF will be asked to delete the non-public thread and the original vote/poll must be re-submitted by the person who forgot to check the "Public" box. 
 
League votes with 50.1% margin will be considered decided. In the case of a tie, the League Commission, comprised of Morgan'sMagicSnowplow, SeoulSoxFan and the annual Chief Cat Herder will vote and report the results - majority wins. 
 
League members who do not promptly (definition TBD) vote in league polls after being notified by the Chief/Deputy Cat Herder will be mocked, ignored and told to STFU if said league member subsequently bitches about the outcome of said vote.
 
PROPOSAL: Trades
League members will be permitted to trade players and/or draft picks. Trades must be posted by both owners to a relevant league thread. 
 
Objections to trades between league members must be made publicly. In the case of proven collusion, the league members will vote on the removal of the offending parties. In the case of unintentionally unbalanced trades that garner significant league concern, a vote will be held (see League Voting Rules) to validate the trade. Voting outcomes will be binding. Excessive bitching will result in mocking and/or other actions, to be determined by the League Commission. 
 
Owners agreeing to trades will make ALL necessary accommodations to the League Record Keepers (i.e. SumnerH's sheet, Google Docs, etc.), including making picks for each other and then submitting roster change requests to the appropriate Record Keeper(s). 
 

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Thanks for starting this thread SF121 and for the kind words in general. You're right that it's time for me to retire from Lead Cat Herder duties. Happy to do whatever to manage the transition or help in smaller ways afterward.
 

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Are you cool with the idea of becoming a permanent member of the League Commission, called on only when there are ties and/or critical league issues? 
 

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Real Fantasy Pigskin - I dunno, it was the thread title last year when we started this thing and got shortened to an acronym no one, except outsiders, questions. 
 
Speaking of...you ain't from around here, are ya?
 

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soxfan121 said:
Are we having another "supplemental" draft during training camp? 
 
SMU_Sox said:
If we do it should be 2-4 players max two weeks before the season starts, you know?
 
We will need to replace injured players - so maybe the day after the week 3 pre-season Sunday games?
 
Super Nomario said:
I'm up for doing more rounds, either now or later, but I think we should have an IR mechanism where we can pick somebody up if one of our players goes on IR (and then have to drop an additional player in the offseason).
 
I think week 3 pre-season is too late for a supplemental draft - if we start then, we'll finish like three weeks in to the regular season.
 
DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I like the supplemental draft, but I think we should keep it to 2 players. We've drafted a good amount of players this offseason and I think keeping the player pool larger for next year will keep people more interested and make the coming years more fun as we creep up on the full 53. 
 
Also, although the IR mechanism seems fun, I'm against it because
1. The more active managers will be all over this, and I'm not sure all 32 people signed up for a full year fantasy type season.
2. Having a guy (especially a lesser player) go on IR could be seen as an advantage. Since we aren't at the full 53 yet there are still a ton of good players out there. Having the first shot at the hot players of 2014 just because your 5th DL went down doesn't seem entirely fair. It's also not fair to lose your P or K in the middle of the season but when it comes to evaluating we can at least assume that you got a replacement (probably someone below average which seems fair). 
 
ragnarok725 said:
I don't like that at all. Somebody has a back-up go down and they're able to grab whatever break-out player who would go in the first round of the supplemental draft for free? If players get injured we should assume they get replacement level filler.
 
Getting some posts from the draft into here discussing a supplemental draft in the preseason and IR possibilities.
 
I think IR is only reasonable if we're defining "starting" lineups which seems pretty excessive.  I'd rather do a 2-3 round supplemental draft similar to the NFL supplemental draft where you can take players at the expense of draft picks in the upcoming year (probably shifted down 1 round for RFP balance). With this method we'd probably want to wait until the actual season starts, maybe starting week2.  We'd have to figure out order, etc.
 

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I think a preseason supplemental draft would be good. I'd stick to 2 rounds so we can get through it quickly, but it would give everyone an opportunity to fill in on any major injuries that pop up in camp/preseason. 
 
I don't think we should do any in-season drafting. Just get it done before the games start and then let it play out. We're already adding depth in this draft. 
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
I think a preseason supplemental draft would be good. I'd stick to 2 rounds so we can get through it quickly, but it would give everyone an opportunity to fill in on any major injuries that pop up in camp/preseason. 
 
I don't think we should do any in-season drafting. Just get it done before the games start and then let it play out. We're already adding depth in this draft. 
Yeah.
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
I think a preseason supplemental draft would be good. I'd stick to 2 rounds so we can get through it quickly, but it would give everyone an opportunity to fill in on any major injuries that pop up in camp/preseason. 
 
I don't think we should do any in-season drafting. Just get it done before the games start and then let it play out. We're already adding depth in this draft. 
I'm down. I'm in for 2-4. 2 is fine
 

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ElcaballitoMVP said:
I think a preseason supplemental draft would be good. I'd stick to 2 rounds so we can get through it quickly, but it would give everyone an opportunity to fill in on any major injuries that pop up in camp/preseason. 
 
I don't think we should do any in-season drafting. Just get it done before the games start and then let it play out. We're already adding depth in this draft. 
Sounds good to me.
 

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In addition to this question about the supplemental draft, we HAVE TO work on a proposal that replaces MMS (per his request). I don't think just ignoring it works, fellas. Guy wants out of the leadership role and no one else has stepped up or offered comment on the proposal in the first post of this thread. 
 
Please, let's honor MMS's request and get moving on electing a new Chief Cat Herder (or whatever). Thanks.
 

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The obvious choices of the super active people are SN, you, phragle, and ssf. I'd feel comfortable with pretty much anyone. KFP would be a fun commish too.
 

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Does anyone actually want the job? Does anyone feel like they can do a bang up job? Self nominations are ok. No, it's not me babe.
 

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I don't think there needs to be a Chief. Everything can be settled by league vote and those of us who have been trying to keep things rolling and updated can continue to do so. I think we all need to get together and get some guidelines hashed out. I have a few propositions I'd like to present but I was waiting for the draft to end.
 

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SMU_Sox said:
The obvious choices of the super active people are SN, you, phragle, and ssf. I'd feel comfortable with pretty much anyone. KFP would be a fun commish too.
 
Usually I'd be happy to take this on but we're moving (back to Seoul, literally) right during pre-season. Needless to say there's a high chance I'd f*ck it up. 
 

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@SMU - I think having one of the most active people is a bad idea. I, personally, would be a terrible choice because my first and only policy initiative would be to rig the rules against you getting a useful QB. 
 
Fuck it, I nominate bakahump
 

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I would figure if you were commissioner you'd put stuff aside and do what is fair kidding aside. What about Nomario?
 

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soxfan121 said:
Someone needs to take on MMS role of sending 30 PMs several times per season. It is an important function and to say no "Chief" is necessary devalues the amount of time and effort MMS put into this. 
 
He asked to be replaced; the very least we can do is honor that request. 
 
@SMU - I think having one of the most active people is a bad idea. I, personally, would be a terrible choice because my first and only policy initiative would be to rig the rules against you getting a useful QB.
That's fair. MMS was absolutely key in keeping this together.
 

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Do we want just one Grand Poobah or would something like a three person Competition Committee make sense?  That way the load is shared somewhat, especially with vacations/real life getting in the way.  
 

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mascho said:
Do we want just one Grand Poobah or would something like a three person Competition Committee make sense?  That way the load is shared somewhat, especially with vacations/real life getting in the way.  
 
This makes a lot of sense.
 
Good thing no one has nominated OFT.  Can you imagine Al Davis as NFL Commissioner?
 

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soxfan121 said:
In addition to this question about the supplemental draft, we HAVE TO work on a proposal that replaces MMS (per his request). I don't think just ignoring it works, fellas. Guy wants out of the leadership role and no one else has stepped up or offered comment on the proposal in the first post of this thread. 
 
Please, let's honor MMS's request and get moving on electing a new Chief Cat Herder (or whatever). Thanks.
 
First, thanks to SF121 for helping my retirement along.
 
I think a 3-person competition committee makes a lot of sense, based on my experience.  It allows for the work to be divided up, for things to keep running smoothly when one person gets slammed at work or goes on vacation, and also might make for better rulings in the end as the troika can discuss tricky issues among themselves.
 
Super Nomario said:
I'm happy to volunteer for whatever's needed.
 
Dave is the first person that came to mind as a replacement when I decided that I wanted to step down but I think most of you guys could do a great job.
 

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Didn't want to clog up the draft thread as I almost posted this in there.
 
Thoughts on making a rule to extend rookie keepers to maybe an auto 1 year deal?
 
So for instance you wouldn't have to waste a keeper on any rookie after year 1 (say up to 4 or 5 rookies). I think at this point, and even more so in the future when there are less NFL vets to choose from, people will want to take a chance on certain players (e.g. Lattimore) but stashing him for a full season (while losing a roster spot) and having to waste a keeper on him seems like a harsh deal. Since NFL teams have rookie deals I think it would be advantageous to us to be able to take a chance on these players and not have to decide after just one season if they are worth keeping or not. 
 
I know Eck will probably love this as he struggled with this last season. We could even drop the number of keepers down a few so that we aren't killing the pool of steal-able players.
 
Just a thought. We obviously don't have to implement it this year as people may have drafted differently. Could be a rule change for 2015. 
 

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The draft has dragged a bit as we move further into the dregs. This happened in the supplemental draft, too. I'm guessing a possible reason is that it's taking too much work for folks to find options. One thought I have is that if we kept, maybe as additional tabs to the Google doc, a list of a) current year draftees still available and b) available players who played a certain number of snaps in the prior year (say, 500), it might facilitate things. No PFF info or anything - this is all just very basic info you can get from non-pay sources. It would give people a jumping-off point to ask, "OK, I need a WR - who are my options?" and then from there they could do more research. It also wouldn't give away any "deep sleepers."
 
To the slowpokes: would this help? Is identifying options a big holdup in making picks?
 
To the speed demons: do you feel like this is unfair and everyone should have to do their own legwork?
 

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Super Nomario said:
To the speed demons: do you feel like this is unfair and everyone should have to do their own legwork?
 
My thought is this will help, but the fact is people just have to commit to it. I like finding the players that are under the radar just so that I can enjoy the upcoming season better, and certainly PFF and other paid sources help, but even without them (aka free info), you can find gems. 
 
I'm afraid this is just a product of better weather + bit of draft hangover. I'm also all for trying out new rules next year. 
 

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I liked doing our rookie draft after the RL draft, but I think the dragging that is happening now is one of the consequences. Shorter pick clocks or variable clocks by round could help speed it up in the future. In the RL draft the first round is 10 minutes and the last one is 1 minute.
 
I think the rosters are getting big enough. I don't see a need to move closer to 53 man rosters.
 
One thing I'd like to see is an option to drop more than 4 players and pick up players to replace them. The rosters that Bakahump and Wibi took over are really weak. They helped us out by talking over those teams and we should repay them with rules that accommodate/don't screw them. We should be allowed to change as much as we want. In the real NFL you can drop 53 and bring in 90 new players each year.
 

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phragle said:
I liked doing our rookie draft after the RL draft, but I think the dragging that is happening now is one of the consequences. Shorter pick clocks or variable clocks by round could help speed it up in the future. In the RL draft the first round is 10 minutes and the last one is 1 minute.
 
I think the rosters are getting big enough. I don't see a need to move closer to 53 man rosters.
 
One thing I'd like to see is an option to drop more than 4 players and pick up players to replace them. The rosters that Bakahump and Wibi took over are really weak. They helped us out by talking over those teams and we should repay them with rules that accommodate/don't screw them. We should be allowed to change as much as we want. In the real NFL you can drop 53 and bring in 90 new players each year.
 
I almost posted earlier suggesting shorter pick clocks. I think it's a good idea as we get to the later rounds. People are less concerned with getting skipped at this point. I think we can at least start by reducing the 12 hour window on the weekends to match the 6 hour window we have during the week so we're guaranteed to get more than 2 picks in on a weekend. 
 
I'm also fine with variable clocks by round. The early rounds are vital to teams, so it's understandable why people would want the full 6/12 hour clock for those, but now we're finishing off our rosters mostly with guys who went undrafted last year and 5/6th round rookies who might not even play. 
 

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Super Nomario said:
The draft has dragged a bit as we move further into the dregs. This happened in the supplemental draft, too. I'm guessing a possible reason is that it's taking too much work for folks to find options. One thought I have is that if we kept, maybe as additional tabs to the Google doc, a list of a) current year draftees still available and b) available players who played a certain number of snaps in the prior year (say, 500), it might facilitate things. No PFF info or anything - this is all just very basic info you can get from non-pay sources. It would give people a jumping-off point to ask, "OK, I need a WR - who are my options?" and then from there they could do more research. It also wouldn't give away any "deep sleepers."
 
To the slowpokes: would this help? Is identifying options a big holdup in making picks?
 
To the speed demons: do you feel like this is unfair and everyone should have to do their own legwork?
 
I like some of this. I don't think current year draftees would need to be there. It's pretty easy to pick a round and a position and ctrl-f the spreadsheet until you find a guy that is still there. If we had all the new draftees in a list it would probably be by draft position and guys would just take best available. That to me is a little too easy and they should still have to do some work.
 
A list of available players by snap count isn't a bad idea. Still a ton of bad players who played a lot of snaps so if guys don't look into it they could pick someone up who sucks. Also players coming off injuries or diamonds in the rough would still be 'hidden' per say. 
 

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Super Nomario said:
The draft has dragged a bit as we move further into the dregs. This happened in the supplemental draft, too. I'm guessing a possible reason is that it's taking too much work for folks to find options. One thought I have is that if we kept, maybe as additional tabs to the Google doc, a list of a) current year draftees still available and b) available players who played a certain number of snaps in the prior year (say, 500), it might facilitate things. No PFF info or anything - this is all just very basic info you can get from non-pay sources. It would give people a jumping-off point to ask, "OK, I need a WR - who are my options?" and then from there they could do more research. It also wouldn't give away any "deep sleepers."
 
To the slowpokes: would this help? Is identifying options a big holdup in making picks?
 
To the speed demons: do you feel like this is unfair and everyone should have to do their own legwork?
 
In my case, I try and respond quickly and I think this current round is the first time I let myself get skipped because I didn't have time.
 
A list would definitely help because it gets tougher and tougher to even find a guy available, let alone someone that has the skills you like.  I can see the other side of things, however I think there are fewer diehards that would feel it's unfair and it's tough because if you try and balance that out you may drive away the non-die hard crowd.
 
By my count, rosters will be at 37 with one more round to go.  Do we want to go to 40 to have an even number or is 15 less than the regular roster of 53 good enough?
 

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Alot of people oove the idea of a "real fantasy team", but lose interest when picking their 5th WR. I think this is just the nature of the beast and should be accepted.

i also see no reason to go much bigger on rosters. Nobody is going to win our fake SB because of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.
 

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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Alot of people oove the idea of a "real fantasy team", but lose interest when picking their 5th WR. I think this is just the nature of the beast and should be accepted.

i also see no reason to go much bigger on rosters. Nobody is going to win our fake SB because of the bottom 1/3 of their roster.
 
This is why you finish second, Fitzys.
 

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We should end the draft after this current round. 
 
We should pick it up and get to 40 in the "supplemental" phase during training camp (3 rounds). 
 
I skipped a pick earlier this week because it is FUTBOL season. Between the World Cup and the Sox right now, my sports card is full. And I'm not the only one. So...hit the pause button and pick it up again in August, when FOOTBALL will back on the radar. 
 
I also think we - the active, reading this thread people - hold a vote ASAP on formally replacing MMS with SuperNomario/ElCab/3rd. 
 
ElCab's work in the other thread recently has been stellar. 
 

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I think we should just finish the draft as it was agreed upon earlier. A round and a half shouldn't be a big deal. I understand there are people who are overwhelmed but one more round shouldn't break anyone.
 

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I'm willing to throw my name into whatever we end up calling the committee.  I couldn't do it on my own but when I'm in the office I'm usually able to keep on top of things.
 
Also my team sucks so you wouldn't have to worry about me trying to skew things to make it more favorable for me.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
I think we should just finish the draft as it was agreed upon earlier. A round and a half shouldn't be a big deal. I understand there are people who are overwhelmed but one more round shouldn't break anyone.
I agree.

(Says a guy who needs both a P and K with these two picks).
 

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soxfan121 said:
We should end the draft after this current round. 
 
We should pick it up and get to 40 in the "supplemental" phase during training camp (3 rounds). 
 
I skipped a pick earlier this week because it is FUTBOL season. Between the World Cup and the Sox right now, my sports card is full. And I'm not the only one. So...hit the pause button and pick it up again in August, when FOOTBALL will back on the radar. 
 
I also think we - the active, reading this thread people - hold a vote ASAP on formally replacing MMS with SuperNomario/ElCab/3rd. 
 
ElCab's work in the other thread recently has been stellar. 
 
Oh, well since you want us to end the draft now, I vote to finish the draft as proposed and add 5 rounds to it.
 
Also, my vote is for replacing MMS with anyone who wants the job, because its thankless and you guys are all assholes.
 

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I'm cool with helping out. I've been PMing anyone and everyone, even if they aren't in the draft, trying to keep this thing moving, so I've got no problem continuing with those duties and helping out with other stuff to help keep this thing going. 
 

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There's no need to shorten the pick windows for a fun diversion from everyone's real lives with families and jobs and stuff.

I kinda like the one year rookie keeper idea if I read it correctly.
 

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Myt1 said:
There's no need to shorten the pick windows for a fun diversion from everyone's real lives with families and jobs and stuff.

I kinda like the one year rookie keeper idea if I read it correctly.
 
I do too. But it's something to implement next year. I certainly would have considered other options... So vote for it on my part but only if it is applied 2015 like DoDM said.
 

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Myt1 said:
 
You right wingers are always questioning everything. Whatever, I couldn't care any less. I said my piece. I totally couldn't care any less. Oh yeah? Yeah. Could not... care... any less. 
 

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DaughtersofDougMirabelli said:
I say we just hand them any 2014 drafted rookies that have been undrafted. Start with the highest NFL drafted rookie left and go down from there, only skipping higher picked players if they have a hole that must be filled (i.e. P, G, etc.). 
 
Fair and easy. 

 
 
Just cross posting so we have a record of this.  

We'll be giving everyone until midnight on Tuesday, the 15th to make any outstanding picks.  Anyone who doesn't make their picks by then will have their rosters filled with rookies who have yet to be drafted.  
 
I PM'd everyone with picks that still need to be made on the 9th and offered assistance in finding available players at positions they may need to fill, so I don't want to hear any complaining from owners who've been less active than the real Al Davis. 
 
Also, to be fair to those who have done their best to field a full roster: if a team has an open position that isn't filled by the end of this draft (K, P, most notably), they will be forced to fill that position in the first round of the supplemental draft we'll be having just before the season. So if you don't have a punter, you'll have to take one in round 1, even if there is a player at another position you'd rather have, so plan accordingly.