- Jul 19, 2005
I don't expect the phone to be a game changer, but I do expect either the price or the business model to be something different. Maybe something with the data plan is different? Before the AT&T exclusive thing was announced, I sort of expected the phone to be sold unlocked. I'm bummed that's not the case.Seven Costanza said:Going to be an AT&T exclusive too- that turned out real well for Facebook...
I completely agree. It will be be a mediocre phone designed to sell more sell Amazon stuff. I'm sure it will have a version of "special offers" like the kindles do.jayhoz said:Does anyone think this isn't going to be a mediocre phone designed to sell you more Amazon crap?
4) It would really suck to be able to access my gmail account from my phone.jayhoz said:If your priorities are set as follows, this is the phone for you
1) I hate typing shit into my phone
2) I really like taking pictures with my phone and having it identify things for me.
3) I really like watching out dated Amazon prime content on a tiny screen.
It has an email app, of course, but I agree. Not having a native gmail app is a deal-breaker for me.SumnerH said:4) It would really suck to be able to access my gmail account from my phone.
MainerInExile said:It has an email app, of course, but I agree. Not having a native gmail app is a deal-breaker for me.
Overall, I think the phone had more cool features than I expected, but less of a business model differentiator than I expected (hoped?). It's too bad they won't get gmail or chrome anytime soon, because overall I'd rather get it than a Samsung. I like Android, but the Google Play store is shit. It will take some time, but I believe Amazon will have the better app store in short order.
Disclaimer: I am a massive Amazon fanboy. I use Amazon for video, not Netflix. And I use Amazon for MP3s, not iTunes. So there you go.
AlNipper49 said:In that argument's defense, the fire is a complete piece of shit. (Although at its price point it is a more or less negligible decision)
jayhoz said:If all you want to do is surf the web, watch AP videos, and play angry birds it is a fine machine. If you want to do more with it, it is a POS because it has no App support.
The Google Play Store has 1.2 million up to date apps. The Amazon App Store has 240,000 apps. Many of which are several revs out of date.
Gmail, Google Maps, Google Earth, Instagram, Snapchat, Clash of Clans, SoSH, Sunrise, Uber.......all missing
smastroyin said:To me the market is the technophobe types like my mother who want a "smart" phone. For example, I got her a Kindle Fire and she loves it. LOVES IT. When I upgraded my Nexus 7 I gave her my old one. She doesn't touch it. Too many buttons, she doesn't want to figure out widgets, etc. etc.
I agree that the limited apps is more ok for a tablet/reader, and that a phone needs different things by nature of how you use it. But I have to think they will be expanding the app library to adjust.
Oh, the Play Store has a ton more selection, but a lot of the selection is junk. Probably 50% of the Play Store is literally garbage, so Amazon doesn't have as much ground to make up as you may think.jayhoz said:
This will literally never happen. Why would a dev build an app for a bastardized version of Android on a device with a tiny slice of the handset market and not for the broader Android market? Despite a clear price and first mover advantage the Kindle Fire tablet only captured 10% of the Android Tablet market. If Google Play is shit, then the Amazon App store is Jeter's range.
They need the devs to do the heavy lifting if they are to expand. I'm guessing the devs will be watching the units out the door and judging whether it is worth their while to rework their apps to function on Amazon's fork of Android.
The [Microsoft] Office team in particular has learned how to enthusiastically embrace alternative platforms. The goal for Office is to become aggressively ecumenical, running on as many platforms as possible. Office on the Mac, for example, is a significant business. The new Office apps on iPad are excellent and appear to have sold a fair number of $99-per-year Office 365 subscriptions.
If Microsoft's goal is to make it possible for you to run Office on as many devices as possible, then building a first-class Android app is mandatory, even if the unintended side-effect is strengthening Google’s hardware position temporarily.
That certainly means delivering Office for Android through the Google Play store, using the same subscriber-only model Microsoft used for its iPad apps. Whether Google will embrace Office as enthusiastically as Apple did is an open question, but it’s a safe bet that Office for Android will be insanely popular.
But the real game is in the Android Open Source Project, the Android code that Google gives away. An army of small Chinese manufacturers are building handsets based on AOSP. As of the end of last year, BI Intelligence reported that 25 percent of all global smartphone shipments were running a forked version of Android, minus Google services.
Amazon’s Kindle Fire is based on AOSP and is similarly Google-free. AOSP is also at the core of those Nokia-branded, Android-powered phones now being sold by Microsoft.