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Minihane is tweeting that Robyn Glaser is no longer with the Patriots organization.
Minihane is tweeting that Robyn Glaser is no longer with the Patriots organization.
Robyn Glaser out?
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I was going to post that in the front office thread but I’m not sure how reliable Minihane is as a source.
I know BB called Robyn out recently and so I would not be surprised if that was a non-negotiable by Vrabel (knowing BB’s relationship with Vrabel)
I know BB called Robyn out recently and so I would not be surprised if that was a non-negotiable by Vrabel (knowing BB’s relationship with Vrabel)
Interesting. Did she have any real power anyways? "Football business" is...marketing and organization?
She's been with the Krafts since 2007. Background here
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/robyn-glaser-patriots-role-change/648542/
Baseless internet speculations when she was put in that position seemed to center on her being Jonathan's voice in the room. Further confirmation that Vrabel is The Guy now...or not who knows.
There has been a completely speculation based anti-woman centric bend to all the media coverage about Robyn Glazer that is disgusting. Typical NFL assholery but still.
Felger copped to it explicitly yesterday (‘we are a bunch of dumb men going after a woman instead of the real power in Robert and Jonathon’)
Boooo.
Felger copped to it explicitly yesterday (‘we are a bunch of dumb men going after a woman instead of the real power in Robert and Jonathon’)
Boooo.
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If this person is a problem in the Patriots organization is someone able to articulate why? How many wins has she cost the team? What personnel decisions has she impacted? What top tier coaches or front office executives has she scared away?
If people are going to claim harm, show us how damaging this person is.
If people are going to claim harm, show us how damaging this person is.
The description of her role very much reminds me of someone I worked with at ESPN who was essentially the EVP of all things operations. Basically, someone who had been around a long time and knew how to get shit done across a wide variety of endeavors.
Maybe she was Jonathan's mole or something. But the job itself sounds pretty innocuous.
Allegedly she participated in some of the coaching staff interviews with Mayo last year, presumably because Mayo couldn't find his ass with both hands. Around the time Caley turned the Pats down, there was chatter that a) the NEP had no idea what they were doing during the interviews, and that b) Glaser was there primarily due to her role in Compliance (with HR and/or NFL regulations), but if she was asking questions and/or correcting anyone that was, that this had a negative impression on the candidates. All third/fourth-hand gossip.
My take: she was just trying to do her job because others didn't know how to do theirs.
My take: she was just trying to do her job because others didn't know how to do theirs.
It is difficult to find a member of the Patriots organization that can be singled out for doing excellent work these past few seasons.
My assumption is she's aligned with Mayo and Jonathan. Mayo failed, he gets fired. You also need a head for who recommended them. Can't fire the owner, so fire/move someone else on the business side. The comments that are clearly more intense because of gender here are frustrating and annoying, implying she had no business in sports due to gender and excitement about her being removed form the football team, specifically on twitter.
We move on.
We move on.
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I see Teddy B sometimes but not often as a commentator. My sense is there's very little direct critique by him of the Krafts, but perhaps I'm wrong as just have seen/heard it? If he hasn't been harsh on them, and if he was referring to her in that clip of those who gotta go, then yeah...disgusting. If he has been directing criticism at the Krafts, then no problem w/ him also implicitly going after her.
Well Bruschi's position is unique in that he left on great terms and still has invites to the "Patriot's greats" events that the Krafts organize, although he maintains a well-paying job in retirement. So he still has a role in the team's lore although Kraft isn't signing his paycheck any longer. I can understand him pulling back from criticism of them although he is frustrated with the overall organization. Besides, I trust Bruschi's opinion more than most because he was in the building with the Krafts pre-Belichick as HC, and this post-Belichick state (or even before Belichick left) appears to be much worse. So his mind is going to 'What is currently different with the team's management roles below the owner layer?' If he thinks Glaser's increased role plays a part in that, I'd tend to believe him and he's not reflexively thinking 'Get the women out of my footbaw!!111!'
fwiw, I’m not actually lumping TB54 into my unnecessarily sweeping inditement.
First, he didn’t use her name and I’m not sure he has. It’s others on talk and print and post hurrying to breathlessly (and information lessly) make the connection and go after her. Second, if he did think that she’s a problem then I think he’d say so. I get BB being pissed at everyone and shotgunning blame.
Anyway, since guessing who he was referring to is some kind of Rorschach test (into the nothing I project…the cheap owner! His nepo baby son! A woman! Whatever else) I like to think he was talking about Eliot ha.
Apparently she had some presence on the football side of things last offseason. And BB made some negative comments about her recently (I didn't hear them). So that's why its newsworthy. She became a bit player in the ongoing saga.
Thank you. This smelled like a Boston sports talk radio topic from the start and now we see it is. Glaser was holding the franchise back.
I feel bad for her. It strikes me that she was a strong, long time employee who was asked to step in and help while the org was in the midst of unrelenting dysfunction. And her reward was to be let go.
Well we don't really know that she's out. It's only been reported by Minihane, whose reliability is questionable at best.
Like @cshea said, we don't actually know if anything has happened, or if it has why it happened, or what it means about what's going on inside the building
That said, if the scenario is something in the direction you're describing I'd be surprised if she were let go in any meaningful sense
She's been a senior executive at the Kraft Group-- with repeated promotions and increased responsibilities--- for something like 16 years before this last season. A few seconds on Google suggests that the Kraft Group owns businesses totaling ~$2.6B in revenue and several thousand employees. According to their available filings they operate in over 80 countries in businesses in the fields of paper and packaging manufacturing, forest products distribution, sports and entertainment, real estate development, and private equity investing.
A year ago she was asked to support a particular middle manager in one of the businesses who had just been given a big promotion. Now this manager was, I grant you, in a very visible and high-pressure position relative to other middle managers in the Kraft Group. And, as it happened, even with whatever coaching and support she offered he was unable to succeed in the role the way everyone had hoped.
Now he's out of the role and a new, much more experienced person has been hired who doesn't particularly need her coaching or support. So, she's probably just going to rotate back to running other initiatives, of the sort she was doing before.
Based on absolutely nothing I'd guess Bob and Jonathan's feelings toward her are closer to "Hey, thanks for trying to pull that out" than they are to "How could you have let him fail so badly?"
In the Dynasty 'documentary', she had to deal with the league during Deflategate. That is the only time I ever saw or heard of her involved in anything football-related.
I think it’s just a process of elimination thing.
I don’t think Bruschi would criticize the Krafts using those terms, everyone else on the staff has been involved in football decision for a long time. Glaser is really the only one who saw her role on the football side increase last year.
FWIW, Bruschi didn’t really tear apart the unnamed person in his quote. Just said they should not be involved in football decisions.
From my POV, I have 0 idea what Glaser did or didn’t do. Seems like the whole operation was a mess so hard to blame just one person. I was just putting forth my guess on who Brushi was referring to
Per Breer: 1) she isn't out, 2) she wasn't working "that intimately" in the football ops part of the business the last several months, 3) this is more about ownership stepping back than Robyn.
This is Minihane's second big bullshit//misfire in the last 3-4 months. He should not be taken seriously.
This is Minihane's second big bullshit//misfire in the last 3-4 months. He should not be taken seriously.
I just read through the Breer interview and he sounds no different then Minihane imo, just throwing it up on the wall and taking a guess..
Minihane said she was out. She is not out. They are not the same. Breer also speculates on some things but Minihane is also the guy who claimed Mayo would be fired after week 7 or something (in the next 48 hours). He is basically 617Swaps at this point.
https://twitter.com/jerrythornton1/status/1879957722399142308
She might be out for any and all football matters?
https://twitter.com/jerrythornton1/status/1879957020020994345
So maybe she is out of her former role and she is being relegated?
She might be out for any and all football matters?
https://twitter.com/jerrythornton1/status/1879957020020994345
So maybe she is out of her former role and she is being relegated?
Sounds more like she's back in her old role instead of trying to help Mayo in shit neither were really prepared for.
For the first time I’m aware, Bedard referenced (think in his most recent pod?) having a number of conversations with her this week and described her as very smart.
I wonder if someone decided keeping her completely out of the limelight backfired and just made it easier to bash her as this interloping ‘business’ woman, so a little more interaction with the opinion makers?
Hey there again. I’m not sure what the disconnect is here. Minihane said she’s out of the organization. It sounds like she got relegated but is still with the team. If she is truly no longer with the organization that means she doesn’t have a job with them anymore, right? So he’s still wrong. These are two different outcomes. We also don’t know the details of what is going on. If she is not with the organization in any capacity then, yes, he would be right. He was still wrong about Mayo being fired in October.
Sounds like @Eric Fernsten's Disco Mustache nailed it. Per usual given how often his analysis is reasonable and sound.
LOL. Yes, he was. "The Patriot Organization" is quite large. Certainly much larger than "the football team." And only a failed macho crapsack like Minihane would regard "being out of football matters" as "being out of the organization." For example, "Kirk Minihane is out of WEEI" was accurate. If he had been made general manager of the station, it would not be, even if he was no longer on the air.
Indeed.
From what I recall, Kirk is pretty tight with JKraft so anything that Kirk mentions Patriots-related likely comes from him so it's true. As much of an ass as he is, his Pats info is pretty solid.
No, it isn't. At this point it has been shown to be bullshit. And another, much more credible source who was quoted in this thread, has verified he is wrong.
This sounds like a perfect encapsulation of this entire bogus report. I'm not even sure it's fair to characterize it as a demotion or relegation, more like she appears to be going back to doing the job she's always done as opposed to the expanded role she had under Mayo as a support person for him.
SMU had this nailed from the start.
I think @Eric Fernsten's Disco Mustache nailed it better than I did tbh…
Some of the slogans she allegedly helped Mayo replace seemed just as cliche as Bill’s stuff. I don’t get why that was so controversial. Like… what is wrong with “We not me”? Doesn’t that seem pretty generic football team? “Hard work works”, again, seems good to me. People can be weird, territorial, and get their feathers all puffed up for strange reasons. Ultimately I don’t have much of an opinion of her because I don’t know nearly enough about what she actually did. I was rooting for her as I root for anyone trying to break into the good old boys club.
You know what a good long term project for us would be? A handy guide of which media members or social media folks are good for what info - also who are the frauds. Like Mary Kay Abbot (might have screwed up her last name) has the inside scoop for everything Browns. Mike Lombardi has a ton of inside sources but is also fed bad info so he can spread that too - buyer beware of his predictions. That kind of thing.
Some of the slogans she allegedly helped Mayo replace seemed just as cliche as Bill’s stuff. I don’t get why that was so controversial. Like… what is wrong with “We not me”? Doesn’t that seem pretty generic football team? “Hard work works”, again, seems good to me. People can be weird, territorial, and get their feathers all puffed up for strange reasons. Ultimately I don’t have much of an opinion of her because I don’t know nearly enough about what she actually did. I was rooting for her as I root for anyone trying to break into the good old boys club.
You know what a good long term project for us would be? A handy guide of which media members or social media folks are good for what info - also who are the frauds. Like Mary Kay Abbot (might have screwed up her last name) has the inside scoop for everything Browns. Mike Lombardi has a ton of inside sources but is also fed bad info so he can spread that too - buyer beware of his predictions. That kind of thing.
I'm sure she has a skill set within the overall organization. I'm not surprised it's not football operations or advising the HC. Nothing against her personally but I think I'm happy these guys are getting back to putting the right people in place with football experience. Sometimes simple things are best. I wouldn't ask Vrabel to run the paper products business either.
As for the media guys I think I'm happy to ignore everyone not named Mike Reiss. Spinning up by gossip is just not that interesting.
As for the media guys I think I'm happy to ignore everyone not named Mike Reiss. Spinning up by gossip is just not that interesting.
every NFL Team has woman in their org denver has 2 women in their ownship group here is denver robyn https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/front-office-roster/kelly-kleine
Kirk Minihane is not a serious journalist. And does not have the sources he claims to have within the team. We should always assume he’s wrong unless and until there is corroboration with another reporter. There wasn’t in this case, as is typical. Not sure why this is so hard to accept.
Excellent idea. As someone else mentioned, Reiss and Schefter are basically the only two I trust to report true information.
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