Roki Sasaki to sign with Dodgers

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I think this has nothing to do with the Dodgers franchise itself and everything to do with Ohtani. He is a unicorn and the gravity he creates is simply amazing. It’s just a perfect storm of Ohtani becoming available along with Yamamoto/Roki within a 12 month period.

I fully expect Munetaka Murakami to sign with a NY team next offseason.
 

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Same here, I have no problem watching Mookie and Dave Roberts thriving and winning World Series, and they're safely in the NL.
Yep, the Dodgers have had a lot of former Sox players and I’m happy they are winning. Talk to me when the Red Sox get back to the World Series. Until then, I’m gonna root for Mookie.
 

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This is not funny anymore. Not even the evil empire Yankees in their heyday accunultaed players like this.

I never hated the Dodgers, especially with Dave Roberts managing, but this makes it impossible to root for them
 

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This is not funny anymore. Not even the evil empire Yankees in their heyday accunultaed players like this.

I never hated the Dodgers, especially with Dave Roberts managing, but this makes it impossible to root for them
Seems like an overreaction.
 

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I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but is it an overreaction? With Glasnow, Yamamoto, Sasaki, Snell, and Ohtani, this is a team that could legitimately run out what could be considered a 'number one' starter every single day. That's not even counting May. Could someone get hurt? Sure. But I can't remember seeing a rotation like this in my lifetime. And that's going along with a lineup that is anchored by some combination of Betts, Freeman, Ohtani in the middle, with a good supporting cast.
 

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I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but is it an overreaction? With Glasnow, Yamamoto, Sasaki, Snell, and Ohtani, this is a team that could legitimately run out what could be considered a 'number one' starter every single day. That's not even counting May. Could someone get hurt? Sure. But I can't remember seeing a rotation like this in my lifetime. And that's going along with a lineup that is anchored by some combination of Betts, Freeman, Ohtani in the middle, with a good supporting cast.
Talent wise, you can’t beat that rotation but lot of question marks with respect to health/innings. Ohtani is coming off TJ and hasn’t pitched in forever. Glasnow is always hurt. Smell rarely pitches a lot of innings, even when healthy. Roki won’t have a full workload in Year 1. Yamamoto dealt with a pretty serious shoulder injury last year. They are going to need their depth.

If healthy, then yeah, this rotation is nearly impossible to top. Will be tons of opponent Ks at Dodger Stadium this year.
 

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This is not funny anymore. Not even the evil empire Yankees in their heyday accunultaed players like this.

I never hated the Dodgers, especially with Dave Roberts managing, but this makes it impossible to root for them
I don’t know. I hear you, but:

1) They aren’t the Yankees.

2) This is the league’s own fault for not setting rules and harder caps. Everything the Dodgers are doing was predictable and warned about years ago.

3) Individually it’s hard for me to find much animosity for these Dodgers. Dave Roberts is Dave Roberts. Mookie is Mookie. It pretty much ends there for me.

Even beyond them, there’s Ohtani, as likable as any superstar I’ve ever seen. Freeman seems like a great teammate. Kershaw is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer who decided to stay with one team his whole career, which I like. Glasnow is so fun to watch and when interviewed seems like a genuinely funny and relatable guy. Teoscar was infectious in that playoff run. Quique was such a great teammate and is so easy to root for.

And they play at Dodger Stadium, which is an incredible place to watch a game, one of the oldest stadiums in baseball, in front of a deeply passionate fan base.

I see why people don’t like them but until the Red Sox field a roster that seems designed to win World Series I’m fine watching the Dodgers clean up.
 

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Add to all this handwringing, the Dodgers have won ONE in a row thus far. There are a lot of dynasties if that's the measure of one.

(I understand they also won in 2020, which I consider a legitimate title even if some others don't, but the circumstances of that championship season were unusual enough that we shouldn't be concerned that that qualifies them as some sort of unstoppable juggernaut.)
 

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I fully expect Munetaka Murakami to sign with a NY team next offseason.
It's pretty unclear how good he is, he looked a lot more exciting a couple of years ago but has come back to earth the last couple of seasons. Still very young though.
 

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I don’t know. I hear you, but:

1) They aren’t the Yankees.

2) This is the league’s own fault for not setting rules and harder caps. Everything the Dodgers are doing was predictable and warned about years ago.

3) Individually it’s hard for me to find much animosity for these Dodgers. Dave Roberts is Dave Roberts. Mookie is Mookie. It pretty much ends there for me.

Even beyond them, there’s Ohtani, as likable as any superstar I’ve ever seen. Freeman seems like a great teammate. Kershaw is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer who decided to stay with one team his whole career, which I like. Glasnow is so fun to watch and when interviewed seems like a genuinely funny and relatable guy. Teoscar was infectious in that playoff run. Quique was such a great teammate and is so easy to root for.

And they play at Dodger Stadium, which is an incredible place to watch a game, one of the oldest stadiums in baseball, in front of a deeply passionate fan base.

I see why people don’t like them but until the Red Sox field a roster that seems designed to win World Series I’m fine watching the Dodgers clean up.
Here’s the thing. I really do not hate the Dodgers and I know it is not their fault at all if the league lets them get away with all that. But at some point it stops being fun when new talent comes in and they keep signing them. I mean he’s like their 6th starter!

All that being said, the new playoff format makes it harder for teams to truly crush it all the way to a WC, and if Boone does not screw up game 1 and the Yankees do not have an inning that is seen once in a thousand years then … shudder… who knows?
 

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I mean, I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion, but is it an overreaction? With Glasnow, Yamamoto, Sasaki, Snell, and Ohtani, this is a team that could legitimately run out what could be considered a 'number one' starter every single day. That's not even counting May. Could someone get hurt? Sure. But I can't remember seeing a rotation like this in my lifetime. And that's going along with a lineup that is anchored by some combination of Betts, Freeman, Ohtani in the middle, with a good supporting cast.
Late ‘90s Braves with a more durable rotation of Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz-Millwood-Neagle? With a similarly potent line up anchored by the Jones brothers, Javy Lopez and Klesko/Gallaraga? And no rings.

Dodgers will be great. Nothing is guaranteed.
 

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Late ‘90s Braves with a more durable rotation of Maddux-Glavine-Smoltz-Millwood-Neagle? With a similarly potent line up anchored by the Jones brothers, Javy Lopez and Klesko/Gallaraga? And no rings.

Dodgers will be great. Nothing is guaranteed.
Strike shortened too but the Braves did win in 95 and made it to the WS in 91 (thrilling loss in Game 7), and in 96 (where after winning the first 2 in NY somehow lost 4 straight).
 

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Sasaki signing with the Dodgers is upsetting from a parity perspective on its face, but baseball is so random that I don’t really expect to see the Dodgers win multiple championships in a row. Maybe I am wrong, but I hope I am not as parity is good for the sport.

I don’t watch baseball outside of the Red Sox though (and do not consume as much media as I previously did), so what most upsets me about this is that I won’t get to watch him pitch often. I can clearly solve that issue, but that’d require me watching west coast baseball games and that’s just way too hard to do as an east coaster with a 9 pm bed time.
 

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Seems like a chicken-egg thing, though, no? Does Miami have an unfair advantage getting Cuban players, and are just not interested in spending money? Or didn't attract the first good one, that would create the chain reaction? While I agree with you in terms of the effect, I'm not sure about the cause being an issue of unfairness. Players are people, who have a right to go where they want, and it makes sense that once Ohtani went to LA, they would have an advantage even over the other west coast teams, especially considering that they are ALSO offering the biggest market, the most money, and the best chance of winning a World Series. Can you blame the players for choosing that situation? And really, do you want to blame the league for allowing them to do what they want?

It's a tough balance, where as fans we want to think that competitive balance is important, but only because our team isn't the one getting the best players right now. When the Sox were consistently a top-3 team in payroll, there wasn't a lot of complaining around Boston that a hard cap should be instituted. It would take an international draft system to fix this, but that feels like a very anti-labor solution to me. Sasaki made what feels in retrospect like a preordained decision, but it was his choice to make. The Dodgers have made themselves the preferred destination for the current generation of top Japanese players, but there are also so few of them. If the Braves attracted a few top Dominican players, would we have this same discussion, or not notice because the pool is larger?
I think the issue with Sasaki is much more an issue with how MLB handles international free agents and the differing treatment by age/experience/country/etc. Like, I think your point is fair - baseball teams geographically close to international hot beds will typically have an inherent advantage for some - maybe many, international athletes with a true free agency to pursue.

But Sasaki isn't a free market negotiation, his age and professional status pretty much caps every team to their international free agent spending pool so Sasaki, who is pretty much universally considered a potential top major league talent right now, is "competing" for the small volume of money in each team's IFA Pool that is usually spent heavily on 16 year olds from Central and South America. So in reality, Sasaki doesn't glean any advantage from the most money, which does take away any real negotiating advantage from other teams because the Dodgers spent a billion dollars on Ohtani and Yamamoto already (and they chose the Dodgers). Now, we don't really know the Dodgers true cap. They might have thrown 500 Mil at Sasaki too, but the inability of Sasaki to pursue a true free agent contract OR be subject to the draft really gave the Dodgers a huge advantage in this particular sphere.

But yeah, I don't think Sasaki is a Dodgers thing directly, any team would be insane not to be willing to empty their pool for the guy, and that he was able to just not take meetings from a ton of teams say front offices agreed on this. But when you take away the financial incentive for a pro-ready player, this is what will happen.

In terms of the international draft, I do think it needs to be considered somewhat more holistically here. Yes, it's more anti-individual labor than the posting system in that Sasaki can't choose his location directly (though he could absolutely refuse to sign or play hardball that way), however, the Sasaki posting negotiations is anti-labor for a lot of other parties. Namely, the Sasaki pursuit functionally forced any team who was seriously pursuing him to put their entire IFA Class on hold. There are three teams who had not signed an international free agent when the international signing period opened - the Yankees, the Blue Jays, and the Padres - three of the end-game finalists for Sasaki. This means the top names either signed with other suitors or, perhaps, they may still be waiting to lock in a deal. Manny Cedeno waited and seems to be a Yankee, De La Cruz and Alvarez with the Padres, Polanco with the Blue Jays, so some prospects waited, but the Dodgers likely had a few names they left behind in that pool as part of their scouting and others may have agreed to deals with other teams to lock in immediate wealth and not take that risk. We will probably never know if Cedeno was the top Yankees target anyway but the presence of a name like Sasaki upends signing classes of players and I would not be terribly surprised if prospects that Dodgers had soft/verbal agreements with experience a pretty serious negative experience as every other team spends their pool money and the Dodgers can't make that end meet.

Would an IFA Draft - or at least a separate prospect for posted Japanese/Korean pro ballplayers separate from the amateur international free agents - be more or less or similarly fair? I really don't know, but I do know that this system made Sasaki to the Dodgers an inevitability.
 

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I dont care anymore, baseball is clearly in a spot were they are fine looking the other way on the crap this franchise is pulling right now. Easy fixes would be eliminating deferred contracts and also making all international players looking to join the league enter the mlb draft.
 
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