Ruben Amaro named Executive of the Year

soxhop411 · Jun 13, 2014

BoSox Rule said:
Just kidding, he doesn't know the difference between Plate Appearances and At-Bats

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/06/ruben-amaro-has-no-idea-how-at-bats-differ-from-plate-appearances-really.html

How is he a GM?

redsahx · Jun 13, 2014

The sad thing is, this thread title wouldn't have been sarcastic back in 2009

He has always been bragging about not understanding or needing sabermetrics. It was easier to get away with when his team just happened to be reaping the benefits of the Utley-Hamels-Howard-Rollins core (that was brought up under Gillick), and he was trading the farm to bring in Lee then Halladay and Pence etc. to keep the good times rolling.

MentalDisabldLst · Jun 13, 2014

The best line is the 2nd sentence there:

"..That’s when he displayed a complete lack of even a rudimentary understanding of the sport in which he generally manages."

Never was there a better double-entendre created from a simple change of tense.

singaporesoxfan · Jun 14, 2014

Robbing Tomorrow, Jr has managed the feat of having the Phillies do worse than the previous year in every year since he took over in 2009. Consider that he took over the defending champs. The Phillies have finished, in chronological order: WS losers, NLCS losers, NLDS losers, .500, <.500. If the teams remains in last place this season Amaro will have continued the streak.

Grunherz54 · Jun 14, 2014

singaporesoxfan said:
Robbing Tomorrow, Jr has managed the feat of having the Phillies do worse than the previous year in every year since he took over in 2009. Consider that he took over the defending champs. The Phillies have finished, in chronological order: WS losers, NLCS losers, NLDS losers, .500, <.500. If the teams remains in last place this season Amaro will have continued the streak.

The Dave Stapleton of GMs!

Adrian's Dome · Jun 14, 2014

I'd love to know exactly how the interview went before his hiring.

LondonSox · Jun 15, 2014

This guy is a joke.
My wife is a Phillies fan and I think the fan base in closing in arranging a crowd sourced hit. (as in to kill him, I'm not sure even they can make this team hit)

terrynever · Jun 15, 2014

In 2011, Amaro had to choose between Brandon Moss and John Bowker and chose the latter, who went 0-for-13 that season and disappeared. Moss signed with Oakland and became one of the game's better power hitters.

Here is what Moss said about signing with Oakland: “The things I do as a hitter are things that they valued. Batting average was not the end-all, be-all of things. They look at numbers outside of that, numbers that usually are in line with what I do well. I thought if I could go show what I was capable of doing, there might be an opportunity to earn some sort of spot. And if not, at least I knew I would be in the PCL (Pacific Coast League).

Rasputin · Jun 15, 2014

terrynever said:
In 2011, Amaro had to choose between Brandon Moss and John Bowker and chose the latter, who went 0-for-13 that season and disappeared. Moss signed with Oakland and became one of the game's better power hitters.

Here is what Moss said about signing with Oakland: The things I do as a hitter are things that they valued. Batting average was not the end-all, be-all of things. They look at numbers outside of that, numbers that usually are in line with what I do well. I thought if I could go show what I was capable of doing, there might be an opportunity to earn some sort of spot. And if not, at least I knew I would be in the PCL (Pacific Coast League).

Congratulations, you have convinced me that I would rather have Brandon Moss as GM than Ruben Fucking Amaro.

sfip · Jun 15, 2014

When Jayson Stark tweeted during the offseason that Amaro signed Bobby Abreu to a minor-league deal (Abreu later in the offseason left and signed with the Mets), a fan tweeted back that they should change the name of the ballpark to Senior Citizens Bank Park.

HriniakPosterChild · Jun 15, 2014

Rasputin said:
Congratulations, you have convinced me that I would rather have Brandon Moss as GM than Ruben Fucking Amaro.

I think the A's might have first dibs.

cannonball 1729 · Jun 15, 2014

Don't forget that he already has $127 million in salary commitments for 2015 and $76 million for 2016.

LondonSox · Jun 16, 2014

Rasputin said:
Congratulations, you have convinced me that I would rather have Brandon Moss as GM than Ruben Fucking Amaro.

You needed convincing? I think I'd take a Mr potato Head over him.

I'm really interested to know what pictures he has of people to keep him in the job. He has zero clue, no plan and a total lack of understanding as to where his team is.

In the draft they took 12 seniors and 28 of their first 30 were from college with only 2 high school picks.
This despite nearly all the Phillies farm success in recent years has been with high ceiling HS picks. There was some chatter before the draft that Amaro wanted more college picks so they could get to the majors faster and help the team, but that seemed a ridiculous comment. Now? Maybe not.

IF this guy isn't fired soon he will cripple the franchise for a decade

Conigliaro's Potential · Jun 16, 2014

LondonSox said:
IF this guy isn't fired soon he will cripple the franchise for a decade

<Braves fan> Here's hoping! </Braves fan>

redsahx · Jun 16, 2014

IF this guy isn't fired soon he will cripple the franchise for a decade

It's a shame (unless you are a Braves/Mets/Nats fan) because Philly really can be a great baseball town. I visited there back in the summer of 2010 and went to a game at Citizens Bank Park. They had a full house and a really lively crowd on a Tuesday night in June against a weak Indians team. There were Phillies hats all over the city, and at multiple tourist sites I had tour guides talking up the team. I had multiple fans engage me in conversation at the park when they saw my Red Sox shirt, and one guy out of the blue just bought me a beer (and didn't poison it!). Now it looks like the team is on the way to being a laughinstock for a while.

E5 Yaz · Jul 31, 2014

"We were not looking for exorbitant paybacks," Amaro said. "We were looking for players that would help us. I think we were very reasonable in the discussions that we had. Frankly, I don't think the clubs were aggressive enough for the talent we have on our club."

http://www.nj.com/phillies/index.ssf/2014/07/phillies_gm_ruben_amaro_says_other_clubs_werent_aggressive_enough_in_trade_talks.html

Outside of Hamels, who had the talent/contract that would be worth being aggressive?

JohntheBaptist · Jul 31, 2014

Hilarious. "Hey, don't blame me. The other GMs fucked up not coming through."

E5 Yaz · Jul 31, 2014

JohntheBaptist said:
Hilarious. "Hey, don't blame me. The other GMs fucked up not coming through."

I didn't ask for alot. But they didn't offer enough for the talent we have on this last-place team

soxhop411 · Jul 31, 2014

Aaaaand Cliff Lee just left the game with what looks like an elbow injury.

soxhop411 · Jul 31, 2014

Phillie fans want him out.

EvilEmpire · Jul 31, 2014

Amaro sucks, but it isn't like he won't have other opportunities to trade Hamels. Trading him when there aren't two other quality pitchers on the market, and more time, might work out a little better for him anyway.

Tyrone Biggums · Jul 31, 2014

E5 Yaz said:
"We were not looking for exorbitant paybacks," Amaro said. "We were looking for players that would help us. I think we were very reasonable in the discussions that we had. Frankly, I don't think the clubs were aggressive enough for the talent we have on our club."

http://www.nj.com/phillies/index.ssf/2014/07/phillies_gm_ruben_amaro_says_other_clubs_werent_aggressive_enough_in_trade_talks.html

Outside of Hamels, who had the talent/contract that would be worth being aggressive?

This makes me feel sorry for Philly fans. In what world was the Ryan Howard and Chase Utley contracts good decisions. I'll always remember Ruben Amaro Jr demanding Boegarts plus other prospects for Cliff Lee at the deadline.

I want what Amaro is smoking. That's some good stuff that isn't even legal in Colorado yet.

arzjake · Jul 31, 2014

Hard to believe same core of Players are 5yrs removed from a Championship

P'tucket rhymes with... · Jul 31, 2014

LondonSox said:
This guy is a joke.
My wife is a Phillies fan and I think the fan base in closing in arranging a crowd sourced hit. (as in to kill him, I'm not sure even they can make this team hit)

You'd think the Phillies fans would want to do it themselves, maybe a battery stoning a la Shirley Jackson's The Lottery.

Pedro 4 99MVP · Jul 31, 2014

It is mind boggling that he didn't make a single move today. Granted, some of the contracts Phillies fans most want moved are unmovable. Nobody is trading for Howard or Lee, and Rollins has 10/5 rights. But you would have to think that a competent GM could have moved Byrd, Burnett and Papelbon. They have to get younger, and with the amount of money committed over the next 2 years, they have to find a way to lower that number in order to be active in trades and free agency. Amaro could bury this franchise for several years if he doesn't move some salary and age. And I will agree with a previous poster that Phili can be a great baseball town. I have been to several games there and the crowds have been great. It would be too bad if they have several bad years in a row.

HriniakPosterChild · Aug 1, 2014

Pedro 4 99MVP said:
It is mind boggling that he didn't make a single move today. Granted, some of the contracts Phillies fans most want moved are unmovable. Nobody is trading for Howard or Lee, and Rollins has 10/5 rights. But you would have to think that a competent GM could have moved Byrd, Burnett and Papelbon. They have to get younger, and with the amount of money committed over the next 2 years, they have to find a way to lower that number in order to be active in trades and free agency. Amaro could bury this franchise for several years if he doesn't move some salary and age. And I will agree with a previous poster that Phili can be a great baseball town. I have been to several games there and the crowds have been great. It would be too bad if they have several bad years in a row.

Pap can block a trade to 17 clubs and refuses to consider anything other than closing.

Rough Carrigan · Aug 1, 2014

HriniakPosterChild said:
Pap can block a trade to 17 clubs and refuses to consider anything other than closing.

Yeah, that quote he made saying that he wouldn't go to a contender just to set up rang every arrogant asshole bell there is. And he's got a very makeable vesting option (finish 100 games in 2014 and 2015 combined) that will guarantee his 2016 full pay. Nice contract, Ruben!

Fred in Lynn · Aug 1, 2014

David Montgomery gave him a stamp of approval about a month ago. What the fans want seems secondary.

http://mobile.philly.com/sports/phillies/?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=263511341

Tyrone Biggums said:
This makes me feel sorry for Philly fans. In what world was the Ryan Howard and Chase Utley contracts good decisions. I'll always remember Ruben Amaro Jr demanding Boegarts plus other prospects for Cliff Lee at the deadline.

I want what Amaro is smoking. That's some good stuff that isn't even legal in Colorado yet.

I don't think it's remotely fair to lump Utley in with Howard. The contracts are different. One's has a ton of guaranteed money, the other's does not*. They play different positions on the spectrum. One's skills have eroded precipitously while the other's still have him as one of the most productive players at his (premium) position.

Don't get me wrong: I have no clue what Amaro and those above him are doing. They're not winning now, they have little hope for the future, and they're spending a king's ransom to do it. I suppose the real problem are the people above him to allow such an obviously misguided operation to continue. Utley is not Howard -that's my long-winded salient point.

*If the 500PA vesting options kick in annually, he could be on the books as late as 2019, or off by 2016 if not, which isn't out of the realm of possibility with him.

Snodgrass'Muff · Aug 1, 2014

arzjake said:
Hard to believe same core of Players are 5yrs removed from a Championship

Not really. Five years is a lifetime in MLB. It would be more surprising for the same core to win two titles five years apart. Look at the 2004 club built around Pedro, Schilling, Manny, Ortiz.. Three of the four were gone by 2009. Guys get old and decline. The Phillies got old.

hbk72777 · Aug 1, 2014

LondonSox said:
You needed convincing? I think I'd take a Mr potato Head over him.

I'm really interested to know what pictures he has of people to keep him in the job. He has zero clue, no plan and a total lack of understanding as to where his team is.

In the draft they took 12 seniors and 28 of their first 30 were from college with only 2 high school picks.
This despite nearly all the Phillies farm success in recent years has been with high ceiling HS picks. There was some chatter before the draft that Amaro wanted more college picks so they could get to the majors faster and help the team, but that seemed a ridiculous comment. Now? Maybe not.

IF this guy isn't fired soon he will cripple the franchise for a decade

There just seems to be some people that have mind control powers over their superiors.

Omar Minaya and Isiah Thomas are 2 more bearers of these great powers

soxhop411 · Aug 6, 2014

Via Bill Madden: The Phillies wanted top outfield prospect Aaron Judge in exchange for Marlon Byrd at the trade deadline. The report comes after Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. told Matt Gelb his deadline inactivity was due to other teams not being aggressive enough. Other reports indicate clubs did not believe Philadelphia had sincere interest in moving their players given their unwillingness to negotiate.

http://riveraveblues.com/2014/08/madden-phillies-wanted-aaron-judge-marlon-byrd-trade-deadline-107184/

E5 Yaz · Aug 6, 2014

Byrd and Hamels claimed off waivers. Papelbon cleared

LondonSox · Aug 7, 2014

Jason Stark isn't impressed either

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2014/08/jayson-stark-explains-everything-the-phillies-did-wrong-at-the-trade-deadline.html

People around baseball do not think the Phillies have a good grasp of what this team is, where they’re going, and what they have. Other teams have asked Stark, “What’s their plan, what do they think the path is?

Other GMs are either “flabbergasted” or “annoyed” at Ruben’s comments.

Most GMs Stark has talked to had some dealings with the Phillies, but don’t quite understand what went on.

bringbackburks · Aug 7, 2014

It should also be pointed out that this is the same organization that "turned in" to the NCAA a college junior who refused to sign with them for using an agent during negotiations. Maybe the new plan is to make every avenue of player acquisition equally as difficult.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/81897-phillies-release-statement-on-oregon-state-ben-wetzler-suspended-20-of-season-by-ncaa/

Soxfan in Fla · Aug 8, 2014

It's baffling that Phillies ownership continues to let this buffoon run their organization.

soxhop411 · Aug 9, 2014

Matt Gelb ‏@MattGelb 24s
Pat Gillick is crying. Fans booed Ruben Amaro Jr. when shown on scoreboard.

https://twitter.com/MattGelb/status/498242884538482691

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