Rugby World Cup 2015

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George Clancy is the Angel Hernandez of rugby, really screwed over Canada with some bad calls in a game they could have won.

Watching SA-Samoa now, can't really see SA losing this as Samoa will try and get in an arm wrestling match with SA, which suits SA.

But the Springboks look poor, no doubt about it. Lots of people are focusing on the age, but they just don't look very good 1-15.
 

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On the flip side, I just caught the last 10 minutes of Scotland-USA, and the Americans look like they could be in for a breakthrough. They just seem more solid than Scotland so far.
 

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Whatever Scotland's coach said to them at half time (and I suspect it wasn't pretty) the turnaround from them was immense in that second half.
 
Here's a scenario for you after this weekend's games - if, and it's a big if, Scotland can steal at least a losing bonus point from South Africa, and deny the 'Boks a 4-try one in the process, then beat Samoa in the last game, Scotland could win Group B - it probably comes down to bonus points, particularly for SA against USA in the last game.
 
If Wales then beat Fiji and Australia beat England, a physically beat up Wales likely lose to Australia in the last game, then Wales play Scotland in the QFs for the right to, likely, face New Zealand in the semis. How many people saw that possibility coming?
 

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So, the Rugby World Cup has been piquing my interest: what advice do the knowledgeable have for a person looking to start watching rugby? I've been catching some of the World Cup and my trusty Fox Soccer 2 Go subscription seems to have some games. What should I be watching? How should I be watching it? Who should I be rooting for? I've been looking around but unlike, say, guides to get into soccer there don't seem to be very informative guides for starting to watch rugby.
 

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I'm going to try and write a few million words on that tonight.

I'm in the UK now, though, so any TV advice will be googled. If you're new and catching the RWC, I assume you're reasonably good at streaming, which is probably going to be the best way of catching games since what I know of the US TV situation is that it's badly fragmented.
 

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FlexFlexerson said:
So, the Rugby World Cup has been piquing my interest: what advice do the knowledgeable have for a person looking to start watching rugby? I've been catching some of the World Cup and my trusty Fox Soccer 2 Go subscription seems to have some games. What should I be watching? How should I be watching it? Who should I be rooting for? I've been looking around but unlike, say, guides to get into soccer there don't seem to be very informative guides for starting to watch rugby.
 
So...the US TV situation. Looks like a mess. Fox Soccer 2 Go doesn't have any rugby union on it - only rugby league, the Canadian football to rugby union's American football. It looks like BeIn sports has the Six Nations, Aviva Premiership and Guinness Pro12. No idea where the European Champions Cup is (Fox Soccer Plus claims to have it, but they also claim to have the Prem and Pro12...). DirecTV has some super-expensive channel with Super Rugby, the Rugby Championship and the Kiwi and South African domestic competitions, the ITM Cup and Currie Cup respectively. The best two ways to watch are via streams, which are pretty plentiful, and YouTube - rugby seems to be totally hands off on YouTube and there's games on it constantly. Good way to keep up with international games played at 3am your time.
 
Basically the rugby union world is divided into hemisphere and tiers. Tier 2 nations are countries like the US, Japan, Canada, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Georgia, etc....there's not a lot of attention on them most times, although by all means go down to your local rugby club and say hi! Japan actually has a semi-pro league sponsored by the major Japanese companies, and they do attract some decent overseas talent - a lot of Springboks top up their contracts with some games in Japan in the offseason.
 
But Tier 1 and the Northern and Southern Hemispheres are what you'll want to watch. One other thing to note - unlike soccer, which is very much a club-driven game, rugby is very much about the international season. To the point that it sometimes feels like club rugby is a sideshow, primarily to whet your appetite for the Tests (aka international games). In the Southern Hemisphere, clubs don't play at the highest level. Rather it's provinces (or states in Australia), which pick the best players from local clubs and fashion a professional squad out of them.
 
The Northern Hemisphere revolves around the Six Nations, which is probably the most watched and loved annual competition in the world. It's been played since 1883 (although France didn't join until 1911, and Italy until 2000) and even Southern Hemisphere fans make an effort to watch it. Away days in Cardiff, Edinburgh, London, Paris, Rome or Dublin are legendary. And it's a damn good thing there's so much tradition and bonhomie surrounding the tournament, because the rugby isn't always the best. It's cold and muddy a lot of the time, and Northern Hemisphere teams just aren't as good as Southern Hemisphere teams most of the time. But it's an absolute must watch.
 
To briefly trade in some national stereotypes, England have a lot of ex-private schoolboys who play a forward-based kicking game, Wales are all working-class boys from the Welsh valleys (Wales is the one of the few nations where rugby is the legitimate national sport) who play a free-flowing game of rugby (until they got Kiwi coach Warren Gatland and became huge, physical ass-kickers who only get creative when they have to), and Scotland are just a bit shit, really. Ireland were awful for decades but have been excellent for about 15 years due to great coaches (Gatland got the ball rolling for them), great players (such as the legendary Brian O'Driscoll), and the rise of Irish provinces Munster, Leinster and Ulster as European powers. PS: unlike soccer, rugby is an all-Ireland sport, so Ulster's full of good Protestant farmboys who would never dream of uniting Ireland. France used to play champagne rugby, which is as decadent as it sounds, but have mostly given in to their other half of physical, South-West farmboy rugby. Unless they have an extra glass of Bordeaux at halftime, and then they turn on the jets. Along with England, their massive population advantage gives them a feeling of underachievers (three World Cup finals...no wins). Unlike England, they are pretty well-liked by the rest of the rugby world, because they all speak French and we can't understand what they're saying. Italy, being comparatively new to rugby and growing (they used to play in a stadium half the size of anybody else's, but now sell out the Olympic Stadium in Rome for games), are pretty crap - they used to rely a lot on poaching talented Argentines with Italian passports, but are trying to become more homegrown. Still, you'll see some obviously not Italian names in their team.
 
The club comps are England's Aviva Premiership, France's Top 14, and Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Italy's Pro12. The Pro12 is the worst - because Wales, Ireland and Scotland essentially have Southern Hemisphere-style provinces, they tend to use the Pro12 as a bit of a training ground and only take it seriously at the end of the season. So you'll watch a game and a whole bunch of international players won't be playing. The Aviva is very English, very much a league dominated around forwards and hard graft. The Top 14 can be startlingly physical, full of French towns in the South-West (France's rugby heartland - all of the Top 14 are based in the South bar two Parisian clubs) that hate each other. Both have lots of international stars - because the money is much better in Europe, a lot of Southern Hemisphere players retire from international rugby with a year or two in the tank and top up their pensions in Europe. In addition, most professional players from the US or Canada or Romania or Georgia or wherever play in the European club leagues - so if you want to follow Americans playing for club teams, France's defending European champs (three years in a row!) Toulon (Samu Manoa) or London's Saracens (Chris Wyles, Thretton Palamo, Hayden Smith) are the way to go.
 
The European Champions Cup is a Champions League style club competition played during the season - I would say that this is a must-follow as well. The best clubs from all the European countries I've just mentioned participate.
 
The Southern Hemisphere is a bit different, but fortunately simpler. The big "club" (actually provincial) competition is Super Rugby. When this started as the Super 12 in 1996, just after rugby union became professional (yes! The Rugby world cup had a website before it had paid players) it was a sensation - high-quality, super-attacking rugby from NZ, South Africa and Australia that blew everybody away. Due to the rise of European club rugby (skimming off veteran stars for bigger money in Europe) and expansion (the league has 16 teams from NZ/SA/Oz now, and will soon add one from Argentina and one from Japan) the quality and crowds have dipped a bit, but it's still probably the best provincial competition in the world. This is my third must follow league.
 
There's six teams from South Africa (Bulls, Sharks, Lions, Stormers, Kings and Cheetahs), five from Australia (Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Force and Rebels), and five from NZ (Crusaders, Highlanders, Hurricanes, Blues and Chiefs). All these teams represent regions/states/cities.
 
The Rugby Championship is the main SH international competition and the highest-quality itnernational competition going. New Zealand, The All Blacks, are the world's best rugby team - fast, skillful (by doing the basics really well), physical, and immensely marketable. They're a bit like the Brazil of world rugby, lots of people who aren't Kiwis walking around in their shirts.
 
South Africa, the Springboks, are the anti-All Blacks. Enormous and hugely physical, they grind teams into dust and then let forth some immensely talented, classy backs when they've got the game won. Nowhere near as popular worldwide as NZ, mostly because the team is strongly associated with apartheid. White South Africans, particularly Afrikaners, revere rugby, the isolation of the rugby team from the community was a legitimately important point of pressure in dismantling apartheid, and the mostly Afrikaner team looks a bit out of place coming from a country that's 85% black. Basically, that's why Matt Damon and Morgan Freeman made that movie about rugby. Best jerseys in rugby though.
 
The third team is Australia, the Wallabies, who usually try and win through immensely skillful backs and a weak forward pack, because scrums and lineouts are shit according to them (rugby league, which has neither, is the more popular rugby in Oz). They've got some really great players, and do well to be so good given league's popularity - Oz were the redheaded stepchild of the NZ/SA/Oz axis for decades before getting really good in the 80s and winning two World Cups in the 90s.
 
The final team is Argentina, who only joined the Tri-Nations (causing a need to rename it) in 2012. Los Pumas have jerseys almost as good as the Boks, and play a very physical forward-based game - Argentines are legendary for their love of the scrum, the bajadita. They've never beaten NZ and have only beaten Oz and SA once each, but they're good enough to give anybody a game and are probably as good as the best NH sides - SH rugby is just awesomely good in general. The Rugby Championship is a must follow.
 
As for picking a team, pick whoever you want, but there's a run down of the major international teams. In terms of competitions to follow, I'd go with:
 
- The Six Nations (Feb-March-April)
- The Rugby Championship (June-July-August)
- The Autumn Internationals (when SH goes to Europe - Europe tends to send lower-quality teams to the SH) (November)
- The European Champions Cup (October-May)
- Super Rugby (February-June)
 
That'll give you some great rugby to watch almost throughout the year.
 

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Samoa were woefully ill-disciplined, and made it pretty easy for Japan. I was surprised to see Japan not really try that hard to get a bonus point for four tries - seems like they didn't really believe they could do it.
 
Boks-Scotland on now. This is a big un. South Africa loses, they're gone.
 
Spacemans Bong said:
Samoa were woefully ill-disciplined, and made it pretty easy for Japan. I was surprised to see Japan not really try that hard to get a bonus point for four tries - seems like they didn't really believe they could do it.
 
Boks-Scotland on now. This is a big un. South Africa loses, they're gone.
 
Not that I can see Scotland winning at the moment - at all - but just for the record, South Africa can lose and still go through. If they get a bonus point in losing to Scotland (four tries and/or losing by less than 7 points), they'll be level with Japan in second place. If South Africa then gets a bonus point win against the USA, and then Japan fails to get a bonus point win against the USA, South Africa would go through ahead of Japan. And if South Africa somehow loses tonight but gets two bonus points, they'd definitely go through with a bonus point win against the USA.
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
 
Not that I can see Scotland winning at the moment - at all - but just for the record, South Africa can lose and still go through. If they get a bonus point in losing to Scotland (four tries and/or losing by less than 7 points), they'll be level with Japan in second place. If South Africa then gets a bonus point win against the USA, and then Japan fails to get a bonus point win against the USA, South Africa would go through ahead of Japan. And if South Africa somehow loses tonight but gets two bonus points, they'd definitely go through with a bonus point win against the USA.
I was riffing off Pienaar, but yeah, Japan failing to get a bonus point against the USA looks very possible given they didn't look very close to getting one versus Samoa.

It's all academic now. I don't think Scotland were totally crap given how low expectations I have for them (and that I thought the Boks were pretty good), but they were distinctly second best.

Etzebeth and de Jager are going to dominate world rugby for years to come. I think the Boks have settled on their best team now, so beware...
 

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Rugby is a fucking terrible game played by the kids of rich people. You forgot that bit.

Despite that, any day you can make a bunch of Pommies sad is a good day.
 

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Rugby is a fucking terrible game played by the kids of rich people. You forgot that bit.

Despite that, any day you can make a bunch of Pommies sad is a good day.
 
Which part of Mitchell Johnson's arm is that tattooed, and was it infected this summer?
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
 
So...the US TV situation. Looks like a mess. Fox Soccer 2 Go doesn't have any rugby union on it - only rugby league, the Canadian football to rugby union's American football. It looks like BeIn sports has the Six Nations, Aviva Premiership and Guinness Pro12. No idea where the European Champions Cup is (Fox Soccer Plus claims to have it, but they also claim to have the Prem and Pro12...). DirecTV has some super-expensive channel with Super Rugby, the Rugby Championship and the Kiwi and South African domestic competitions, the ITM Cup and Currie Cup respectively. The best two ways to watch are via streams, which are pretty plentiful, and YouTube - rugby seems to be totally hands off on YouTube and there's games on it constantly. Good way to keep up with international games played at 3am your time.
 
 
BeIN's 6N coverage is delayed, but that's not really such a big deal as it is fairly unlikely you will come across a result by accident before it airs. The DirecTV Rugby channel is 490, and I think it is actually available to all subscribers without an extra fee, but I could be wrong about that. I know I got it without requesting it.
 
 
The club comps are England's Aviva Premiership, France's Top 14, and Wales/Ireland/Scotland/Italy's Pro12. The Pro12 is the worst - because Wales, Ireland and Scotland essentially have Southern Hemisphere-style provinces, they tend to use the Pro12 as a bit of a training ground and only take it seriously at the end of the season. So you'll watch a game and a whole bunch of international players won't be playing. The Aviva is very English, very much a league dominated around forwards and hard graft. The Top 14 can be startlingly physical, full of French towns in the South-West (France's rugby heartland - all of the Top 14 are based in the South bar two Parisian clubs) that hate each other. Both have lots of international stars - because the money is much better in Europe, a lot of Southern Hemisphere players retire from international rugby with a year or two in the tank and top up their pensions in Europe. In addition, most professional players from the US or Canada or Romania or Georgia or wherever play in the European club leagues - so if you want to follow Americans playing for club teams, France's defending European champs (three years in a row!) Toulon (Samu Manoa) or London's Saracens (Chris Wyles, Thretton Palamo, Hayden Smith) are the way to go.
 
 
France's Top 14 seems to have the most money, and as a result regularly attracts top players from the home nations - e.g Jonny Sexton and Paul O'Connell from Ireland, Johnny Wilkinson from England. They have dominated the European Cup competitions for a few years running now, after Leinster and Munster had a brief run of success from Pro12. Even though the provincial teams are owned by the IRFU, club rugby is still the biggest professional league in Ireland (a slight dodge given the GAA's amateur status).  
 
 
As for picking a team, pick whoever you want, but there's a run down of the major international teams. In terms of competitions to follow, I'd go with:
 
- The Six Nations (Feb-March-April)
- The Rugby Championship (June-July-August)
- The Autumn Internationals (when SH goes to Europe - Europe tends to send lower-quality teams to the SH) (November)
- The European Champions Cup (October-May)
- Super Rugby (February-June)
 
That'll give you some great rugby to watch almost throughout the year.
 
 
Lions tours, where an all-star squad of the best players from the home nations travel to one of the Southern Hemisphere's Big 3 for a series of tests in non-World Cup odd year summers, are also pretty entertaining, albeit sometimes more often for the drama surrounding team selection than for the actual rugby. 
 

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I'll be honest, I never thought England would be out before the QFs, but there was always that cloud hanging over them. Everyone was going on about how they scored 50+ in that game against France in the 6 Nations and how they could put up big points when they needed to. The thing no-one mentions, is the fact they allowed France to score 35 in that game. From that moment on, I've always said, "If they come up against a Southern Hemisphere side and they ship 30+ points, they aren't going to be able to keep up with them, their defences are just too solid". Saturday night proved that beyond all reasonable doubt.
 
The English press has been savage about the selection, but not all have been about condemning the coaching. The one thing everyone agrees about is the question of why Brad Barritt was constantly selected, while Luther Burrell missed out? All Barritt is good for in attack is as a dummy-runner that no-one falls for, as they know he can't do crap when he gets the ball, which is pretty much never anyway and his much vaunted defensive-skills were destroyed on Saturday night, as Australia ran straight down the 10/12 channel for both tries in the 1st half. Burrell however, has been a consistent try scorer for England and can bring just that little bit of skill that teams need to break these tight defences. Why Lancaster shied away from the Burrell and Joseph partnership that looked to be building nicely, I'll never know. As for Sam Burgess? The less said the better. He's not a centre, doesn't yet have the necessary skills to be a 6 and was just used as a battering ram that everyone knew was coming. When he can do that and offload, like Sonny Bill Williams for example, then maybe we can talk about him getting into the England side again.
 
Last, but definitely not least, Chris Robshaw. Nice guy, gives his all etc, but he isn't, and never has been, a quality number 7 and never will be. He's a great club-level 6, but the Aussies showed the value of having not one, but two International standard 7s in their team with Pocock and Hooper's turnovers. Time to shelve Robshaw and, if they aren't willing to bend their ridiculous rules for Stefon Armitage - and if the World Cup doesn't meet their standards for "Exceptional Circumstances", what the hell does? - at least give someone like Matt Kvesic, ie a 7 who, you know, actually plays there for his club, a decent chance to impress?
 

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Ah who cares, it was still a fuckin' blast. Had the luck of sitting next to an English guy who used to live in Denver and was rooting for the USA - I think he knew more about the NFL than I did, and rugby is a great sport to go stag to because everybody likes to talk to each other. The RWC jumbotrons also very wisely show you what the penalty is after the ref signals, and then immediately shows a replay so you can see said penalty.
 
The banter was good, I was joking with the South Africans below me (Saffies outnumbered Americans by 50 to 1) that we'd beat 'em 64-0 at baseball if we could. And fuck if I didn't run into my old flyhalf in the Golden Gate D1 side in the concourse before the game. I've seen the Eagles play in a Rugby World Cup match, so that's crossed off the laundry list of things to do before I die.
 
As for on the pitch, the USA's performance was pretty awful but there were a lot of second-string guys out there - we're clearly targeting Japan as the game we might actually win - and South Africa is an awful mismatch for us. A Tier 2 team that prides itself on physicality versus the most physical team in world rugby, full stop? Yeah...Eben Etzebeth and Lood de Jager gonna eat you up. I think the thing I found most concerning is how the Eagle backs lined up insanely deep and didn't come on to the ball at pace. The USA might have had three line breaks all game (and it felt like two came in injury time) because you'll never come close to breaking the line against the Springboks when you're jogging up to the line from ten yards back.
 
If we're to have any chance of beating Japan, we're going to need to be physical, but also be ruthless about making and taking chances.
 

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Just scored a last minute ticket for USA-South Africa.
 
*Jeter fist pump*
Sad I just saw this. I was at the game too. On my way to NZ-Tonga and Scotland-Samoa now. I really don't know shit about rugby but am enjoying it all the same.

All my Kiwi and Aussie friends hate the South Africans and their fans with a white hot passion, but all of the SAers around me were super-nice. I guess you can afford to be gracious when winning by 64 points though!
 

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Hell of a match from Ireland, fabulous play from Henshaw, Murray, O'Brien, Bowe, Best and impressive performance off the bench by Madigan. Still I fear it will be the definition of Pyrrhic.  O'Connell has almost certainly played his final match in green, Sexton may be out for at least Argentina, if not the balance of the tournament (which might be the same, of course), O'Mahony in doubt, and O'Brien likely to receive a ban.
 
Argentina would be a huge task even under the best of circumstances, but, including the loss of Jared Payne earlier this week, they could be looking at playing with only 10 of their first-choice 15, including missing arguably their 3 most important players in Sexton, O'Connell, and O'Brien. Thank God for the emergence of Iain Henderson and hopefully Madigan and Henry can keep up their inspired play of today, too.   
 
QFs are set, and as usual we are looking at some great matchups from here on:
 
Saturday 10/17
South Africa v. Wales 11 am EDT
New Zealand v. France 3 pm EDT
 
Sunday 10/18
Ireland v. Argentina 8 am EDT
Australia v. Scotland 11 am EDT
 
Now c'mon, USA, let's get a W to end the group stages. 
 

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No W. Really disappointing World Cup for the USA - for once the team entered the tournament in some decent form but other than a half versus Scotland, there's little in the way of highlights.
 
I think what bothered me more than anything was how poor their skills were. It looked like Plan A was bash 'em up rugby, and there was no Plan B.
 

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New Zealand vs France...in the QFs of the WC...on a Saturday night...at the Millenium Stadium. Sound familiar anyone? If Wayne Barnes is the referee again, I think the NZ supporters head's might explode! To be fair, I can't see anything but an AB's win. This French team look nothing like the team of 2007. Yes. they've suddenly found a front row that might push the AB's around, but they don't seem to know what they're doing from set play and the flair that France are famous for just seems to be lacking? The again, you just never know. France with nothing to lose is a dangerous beast.
 
I actually think the Argentina-Ireland game is likely to be the best game to watch, if you want to see attacking rugby from both sides that is. Argentina have finally found some great backs to compliment their infamous forward power. With the Ireland injuries, and likely suspension for O'Brien, it evens it out, though Argentina are likely to lose Marcelo Bosch for that "tip-tackle", that he was only given a yellow card for. I thought it had to be a red I must be honest, Sam Warburton's red in the 2011 semi-final wasn't as bad as that.
 
If you want an arm-wrestle, with huge hits and pack dominated, it's got to be South Africa-Wales, which will be brutal, but the way SA have suddenly found their 'A' game again, it'll be extremely hard for Wales. Though if you're Welsh, you must be wondering what you did to deserve this run of fixtures...England, Fiji, Australia, South Africa, likely New Zealand, then ? in the Final. No team can run that gauntlet in 5 weeks then still have energy in the Final, surely?
 
As for Australia-Scotland, surely the easiest pick of the QFs. If Scotland, who are usually good defensively, can't shore up the defence that was so leaky against Samoa - OK they did it in the 2nd half, but still - I can't see this being less than a 20+ point blowout. Yes, Scotland have won 2 of the last 3 games between the two, but that was before Australia found a decent pack and I can't see it happening again, even as Scotland-biased as I am, unfortunately. 
 

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Hey, Hoya Soxa -- fellow Hoya here.
 
HOYA.....
 
The US team will get there one day; just like we are moving up the ladder in soccer.
 
I must admit that I was happy to see Japan's performance in this tourney (except vs USA), as my kids are half-Asian.
 
I know it's a bit like rooting for the Yankees during their heyday(s), but I love the All-Blacks. When I first saw their Haka (back in my GU days), I thought that these guys were putting incredible pressure on themselves. After all, how can you do all of that and then get smooshed by the opponents? You better friggin' win, right? And the NZ team wins and wins. I think that is one of the ballsiest things I've ever seen in sports. Imagine the Sox doing that before a playoff game vs the Skanks....
 
Minutes away from start time -- S Africa vs Wales. Anybody watching?
 
 
 

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The French players have effectively mutinied over their head coach...for the second successive World Cup. I doubt this will go as well as in 2011, when they probably should have won the final. NZ by 10.
 
Scotland show signs of being a decent team, but I think this Australia team is going to lift the trophy. Oz by 15.
 
I am not yet convinced by South Africa, yes, good fun beating up a pretty poor Samoa, a decent but hardly great Scotland team, and our Eagles, but Wales are a cut above those teams (and Japan too). My concern is that Wales don't have much in the way of a plan B with all their injuries, and their ability to grind out a win over a team as physical as the Springboks won't work. South Africa by 3 (sigh).
 
Sexton's out for Ireland, no O'Connell...and I'm going to pick this as the upset of the week. Argentina are a shit-hot team and I think they'll do it. Argentina by 4.
 

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Good to have someone for the ride, Bong!
 
Yeah, Wales running on fumes. But S Africa not their best ever. I guess I'm rooting for Wales.....
 
On the other hand, it's 11pm here and I might crash at halftime cuz SA is kicking butt. Let's see.....
 

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Well then, that was a tasty first half.
 
I don't know what the fuck Barnes is doing, it's a bit of a lottery at ruck time.
 
The Boks look decidedly shaky when Wales have ball in hand - Pietersen is shitting himself when North has the ball, Roberts is taking the Boks on physically and winning. But the lineouts are a lottery because Eztebeth and de Jager are studs. Scrums have gone OK for Wales, Bokke got a shove on in the last one but Wales stayed strong enough to get the ball out.
 
Boks look limited going forward - if Wales can somehow stop giving up penalties (and I guess they did really, no points for SA in the last 15 minutes) that'll put a lot of pressure on Pollard to do more than just kick the ball.
 
All to play for.
 

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Wow. Well fought so far. Not great technique, but certainly entertaining.....
 
It's anyone's game to win.
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
 
Biggar was almost certainly concussed on a tackle he made a few phases previously.
OK thanks I didn't see that in the build up.  It seemed crazy to me at the time but that makes sense.
 

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Argentina putting Ireland to the sword, 20-3 21 minutes in. Ireland can't boss Argentina physically and Argentina has skills in their backs that are cutting a slow Irish defence to ribbons.

What odds the next nation to win the World Cup for the first time isn't Ireland, Wales or France, but Argentina? Pretty low, I suspect.
 

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Absolute horseshit call, the ball clearly went off Phipps at the end and that plays the Scots onside. It goes back for a knock on but a scrum versus a penalty are two very different beasts.

Fair play, the British media are not going to let this one go because no Home Nations means casual interest is well and truly fucked for the rest of the tournament. Not a high opinion but if it gets people talking about how rugby is like the NFL in terms of selective enforcement then yippee.
 

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Holy balls that offload by carter was the most ridiculous thing I have seen at this level in a long long time
That was an amazing offload, but the behind the back, no look flick from Vermeulen for the game winning try for SA tops it for me given the game situation and balls to even attempt it with everything on the line.
 
at 3:00 in the clip on this page:
http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/114091