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Is the differentiation based purely on clinical exam or does MRI play a role?
It can be tough to tell just based on physical exam, usually you need an MRI. There are exceptions where the tendon/muscle completely retract into the chest wall, but that’s the less common scenario
 

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It can be tough to tell just based on physical exam, usually you need an MRI. There are exceptions where the tendon/muscle completely retract into the chest wall, but that’s the less common scenario
1. You're doing great work here.

2. I wish we were hearing a lot less from you. I'm really getting sick of you.
 

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Malcolm Brown seems pretty likely to be out Sunday. Not spotted today at practice. Big test for the run defense.

EDIT: Also Amendola has a hyperextended knee suffered on a punt return against the Falcons and is "legitimately questionable" for Sunday per rotoworld.
 

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He got a limited practice in. If he hadnt, I would say he was more doubtful than questionable. Wouldnt surprise me if he sits with the bye coming up, wouldnt surprise me if he plays in a limited role. Rotoworld via the Herald says it depends on how he responds to treatment the rest of the week.
 

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Patriots injury report: OUT — DT Malcom Brown (ankle), CB Eric Rowe (groin), LB Dont'a Hightower (shoulder). QUESTIONABLE — WR Danny Amendola (knee), CB Stephon Gilmore (concussion/ankle), DT Lawrence Guy (chest), DE Cassius Marsh (shoulder), LB Elandon Roberts (ankle), OT Marcus Cannon (ankle)



Edit: is it at all weird that DH is still listed as shoulder? Shouldn't it be more like "chest" if the pec thing is true?
 

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Who knows. They haven't put DH on IR yet either and BB isn't saying why:

Asked if the Patriots would place Hightower on injured reserve after the sixth-year player had surgery on Thursday, Belichick didn’t answer. He said that if the Patriots did so they would announce that.

The coach, unsurprisingly, wouldn’t tip his hand on whether the Patriots are considering trading to bolster their depth at linebacker or on defense in response to the Hightower injury.

“We’ll do what we think is best for the football team,” Belichick said.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/10/27/belichick-says-patriots-will-miss-dont-hightower-and-off-field/itYwNkYsNaLGJj7UyJ09lJ/story.html
 

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Speculating, but if McClellan is going to be back next week that's a potentially cleaner 1-for-1 swap that doesnt involve having to activate a different player who isnt going to be active on Sunday and then pass him through waivers when McClellan is activated. I think Tye is a 3rd year practice squad player, which means the Pats have to have 53 players on the active roster at all times. Or maybe we'll see a late weekend move.
 

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I don’t think the trade Butler proponents (I wasn’t one of them) were drooling idiots who were advocating to do so out of an abundance of overoptimism or excess depth at CB or “forgetting some obvious lesson” as your post suggests. They were advocating it because Butler leaving in four months and the rest of the defense was playing incredibly poorly.

I wasn’t a fan of the idea, but we shouldn’t twist the arguments of posters.
I probably shouldn't be bringing this back, but want to thank Stitch for his clarity here. IIRC I also don't think anyone WANTED to trade Butler, but some of us thought it a possibility given how a) historically poorly the defense was playing, b) how little time Butler had left on contract, c) BB's trade history, and d) the depth at CB at the time.

If you look at past BB defenses, they haven't really had #1A and #1B corners. It would be Law and, say, Otis Smith, or Samuel and flotsam and jetsam. As we've seen, he's comfortable having a 1 cover a team's #2 WR and bracket their #1WR with a CB and a safety. Gilmore's rep suggested he'd function as the #1 and BB would make do with whomever's left in Butler's departure. Not ideal, but at the time there was a smoking hole in this defense. Now that Gilmore's down, I don't think a trade involving Butler is happening, but until the deadline passes, I wouldn't be surprised if he was if news emerges that Gilmore's back. I don't know how they view the evolving (devolving?) LB situation - especially given Hightower's departure. My assumption is they'll address any problem that could prove ultimately fatal if left unchecked and they'll tap the resources - draft picks, depth pieces - they have.

Finally, depth is great but it's always somewhat illusory. If you're going to deal, you're not going to deal from scarcity. The Pats carried 3 QB's last year. Obviously, Brady was suspended, but then Jimmy went out and so Brissett gets snaps - glad we had the depth. Brady this season is a year older and taking hits, but BB addresses the loss of Edelman by tapping into his QB depth to trade Brissett for a WR who can at the least give the position another body.

I'd suggest if you're going to crow and take a victory lap then you might want to be sure you're at the right track at the right time.
 

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That said, please forgive the sidetrack and here's hoping this thread goes dead for a couple of weeks at least.
 

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I probably shouldn't be bringing this back, but want to thank Stitch for his clarity here. IIRC I also don't think anyone WANTED to trade Butler, but some of us thought it a possibility given how a) historically poorly the defense was playing, b) how little time Butler had left on contract, c) BB's trade history, and d) the depth at CB at the time.

If you look at past BB defenses, they haven't really had #1A and #1B corners. It would be Law and, say, Otis Smith, or Samuel and flotsam and jetsam. As we've seen, he's comfortable having a 1 cover a team's #2 WR and bracket their #1WR with a CB and a safety. Gilmore's rep suggested he'd function as the #1 and BB would make do with whomever's left in Butler's departure. Not ideal, but at the time there was a smoking hole in this defense. Now that Gilmore's down, I don't think a trade involving Butler is happening, but until the deadline passes, I wouldn't be surprised if he was if news emerges that Gilmore's back. I don't know how they view the evolving (devolving?) LB situation - especially given Hightower's departure. My assumption is they'll address any problem that could prove ultimately fatal if left unchecked and they'll tap the resources - draft picks, depth pieces - they have.

Finally, depth is great but it's always somewhat illusory. If you're going to deal, you're not going to deal from scarcity. The Pats carried 3 QB's last year. Obviously, Brady was suspended, but then Jimmy went out and so Brissett gets snaps - glad we had the depth. Brady this season is a year older and taking hits, but BB addresses the loss of Edelman by tapping into his QB depth to trade Brissett for a WR who can at the least give the position another body.

I'd suggest if you're going to crow and take a victory lap then you might want to be sure you're at the right track at the right time.
Good post - but it still misses context a bit. We often say BB does this or that - but it would be too verbose to always include the context.

The context (for me anyway) was the projection of the teams on the Pats schedule this year and how many of them had two REALLY good receivers. 1 and 1A versus merely a 1 and a decent 2. I think in that context it made a lot of sense to change the secondary building formula. Now my receiver evaluation skills are not the same as BBs, so my perceived context might be 100 wrong as well, lol. I was never offered a position as secondary coach :/ lol
 

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That's fair and makes sense and you may be right. The game has changed over the years and perhaps, as you say, BB has determined a defense's structure needs to mirror it. I guess the composition of next year's secondary might provide an answer - although it might require a rosy assessment of Bademosi or Rowe as a 1B (and, given the results so far, Gilmore as a 1A).
 

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Whither Malcolm Mitchell? Isn't he eligible to come off of Injured Reserve now along with McLellin? I have heard nothing about him -- did I miss where he was officially done for the season or is he a possibility to come back? Would be a big addition on the outside.
 

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Whither Malcolm Mitchell? Isn't he eligible to come off of Injured Reserve now along with McLellin? I have heard nothing about him -- did I miss where he was officially done for the season or is he a possibility to come back? Would be a big addition on the outside.
Reiss has speculated that he's not close to returning, and there have been rumblings he might not make it back.
 

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Whither Malcolm Mitchell? Isn't he eligible to come off of Injured Reserve now along with McLellin? I have heard nothing about him -- did I miss where he was officially done for the season or is he a possibility to come back? Would be a big addition on the outside.
Reports have him as NOT being close to a return. This is a chronic injury that he's carried since college.

My bet is we may have seen the very last (or close) to Mitchell's young career.
 

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SeoulSox says he's done--that afternoon we get report that he might be back.

Awesome.
 

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That raises an interesting question: assuming a) the first slot is McClellin, and b) Mitchell and Valentine seem to be equally healthy, which do you activate?
I activate Mitchell. We have repeatedly seen how hard it is for pass-catchers to succeed in this offense, whether due to playbook challenges or lack of trust from TB12 (or both). Mitchell has shown he can succeed in this offense, health-pending.

D Linemen on the other hand seem a bit more fungible. Moreover, we have frequently seen guys come from nowhere to play significant snaps and to make contributions.

I'd rather roll the dice on finding a DL off the scrap heap than a WR.
 

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The news is more that Mitchell was there and running.
Yeah, I totally missed that sentence right there in the middle of the article. I would have assumed that would be in the headline or at the top of the article to set the context for the article's existence, but what do I know. Mitchell coming back could be big for this offense since it could give Brady another big target for when Gronk stays in to block.
 

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Yeah, I totally missed that sentence right there in the middle of the article. I would have assumed that would be in the headline or at the top of the article to set the context for the article's existence, but what do I know. Mitchell coming back could be big for this offense since it could give Brady another big target for when Gronk stays in to block.
Can't agree more. When Gronk went down last year, Mitchell stepped up big in the middle of the field, and was a key contributor in the SB51 comeback. I was really excited to see what he would do in his second year. Here's hoping he can come back and contribute in the 2nd half and the playoffs.

I missed it, but do we have any news about Valentine - is he near to a return or not?
 
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