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Ed Hillel

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Reedy was released when they signed Britt.
Oh, well there you go. I missed that. I would anticipate Dorsett probably goes if Mitchell comes back.

Speaking of, I thought Mitchell had to be activated within 21 days of week 8. Maybe they changed the rules in the offseason when they went to two guys?
 

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Oh, well there you go. I missed that. I would anticipate Dorsett probably goes if Mitchell comes back.

Speaking of, I thought Mitchell had to be activated within 21 days of week 8. Maybe they changed the rules in the offseason when they went to two guys?
I think the 21 day rule kicks in if you designate him to return. From what I've been able to gather, there is no deadline for when you may exercise the DTR option on a player placed on IR.
 

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I think the 21 day rule kicks in if you designate him to return. From what I've been able to gather, there is no deadline for when you may exercise the DTR option on a player placed on IR.
I’m assuming there’s some benefit to exercise the DTR option, is it practicing with the team? I’m guessing reports of him in cleats is a result of him doing drills on his own or something? The whole thing with him has been a bit odd, but it sure would be nice if he could come back and jump into his old role. They could use another option.
 

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If he were that close, why sign Britt?
This reminds me a little of the blount situation. He passed through waivers. The pats agree to a deal for the rest of the year but tack on another year to maximize value. If he sucks, they cut him. If he doesn't they, increased their depth next year.
 

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Fair points on Britt, I forget how thin they really still are and can see the possible benefit of grabbing a chit on the cheap. It just initially struck me as odd that if Mitchell was legit close to return, they'd fill that gap with someone who knows the playbook, but when you add in the second year, they could essentially red shirt him if Mitchell does come back.
 

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Fair points on Britt, I forget how thin they really still are and can see the possible benefit of grabbing a chit on the cheap. It just initially struck me as odd that if Mitchell was legit close to return, they'd fill that gap with someone who knows the playbook, but when you add in the second year, they could essentially red shirt him if Mitchell does come back.
There's also nothing to stop them from cutting Britt in two weeks (or whatever) if Mitchell can come back. Adding Britt now only costs them Bernard Reedy and a tiny bit of money. If Mitchell can return (and I'm skeptical), assess the roster at that point.
 

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I don't think they would cut Britt if Mitchell comes back (which they shouldn't count on anyway at this point). Hogan may not be 100%, and who knows who else may get hurt between now and the end of the season. Worst case, Britt is carried as a game day inactive.

Britt's value is probably 2018. Edelman will be 32 and coming off a serious knee injury. Amendola will be 33 and will be UFA. Hogan will be 30. Dion Lewis and Burkhead will also be UFA. Cooks will have a cap hit of $8M. Mitchell's knee woes will still be an issue.
 

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Sounds like an MCL / I’m absolutely shocked it’s not an ACL given how fast he was ruled out but I’m happy to be wrong in this case
 

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Sounds like an MCL / I’m absolutely shocked it’s not an ACL given how fast he was ruled out but I’m happy to be wrong in this case
Sorry for hijacking this thread but what are your thoughts on Brown reportedly returning in a few weeks? Does degree of muscle tear affect return time? I’d be interested in seeing your thoughts.
 

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Any update on Hogan? I assume he'll be good to go for the playoffs? We likely don't need him for the next 2 weeks, so might as well give him the full month if it would help. Same for most of these guys that are banged up.
 

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Sorry for hijacking this thread but what are your thoughts on Brown reportedly returning in a few weeks? Does degree of muscle tear affect return time? I’d be interested in seeing your thoughts.
Definitely depends on the severity of the tear/how he responds to treatment. I'd be surprised if he was at full speed in time for the playoffs, though - those kind of things tend to linger, especially for guys who are relying on top-end speed and explosiveness to allow them to do what they do effectively.
 

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Definitely depends on the severity of the tear/how he responds to treatment. I'd be surprised if he was at full speed in time for the playoffs, though - those kind of things tend to linger, especially for guys who are relying on top-end speed and explosiveness to allow them to do what they do effectively.

I would never call your opinions into question. But I recall a WR with a broken leg going off for like 9 catches and 120+ yards. (of course at that time i dont remember you being here so you might well have told us to be worried :) )

Different players, Different injuries. But I wont count out a all world WR until he has a Stake in his heart.
 

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I would never call your opinions into question. But I recall a WR with a broken leg going off for like 9 catches and 120+ yards. (of course at that time i dont remember you being here so you might well have told us to be worried :) )

Different players, Different injuries. But I wont count out a all world WR until he has a Stake in his heart.
I know you're half kidding, but a broken leg and a torn calf are two totttttally, incomparable injuries. Bones heal and then they're healed. Muscles in that area - especially as DRS said, muscles needed for explosiveness - are so much more fickle when it comes to recovery.
 

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My guess is that he returns as a decoy and nothing more.
 

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I would never call your opinions into question. But I recall a WR with a broken leg going off for like 9 catches and 120+ yards. (of course at that time i dont remember you being here so you might well have told us to be worried :) )

Different players, Different injuries. But I wont count out a all world WR until he has a Stake in his heart.
I was only a resident then, I hadn't yet been granted membership here :(

Owens was like 8 weeks out from his high ankle injury at the time if I remember correctly, although it's entirely possible I'm misremembering, I was pretty fucking sleep-deprived
 

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I wonder how effective BPC-157 and TB-500 I think it is are. I know some high level lifters that've sworn by a peptide regimen to come back quickly from tears. I'm not sure whether they're illegal or, if so, detectable, but that's something that could change the timeline for Brown's return.
 

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Malcolm Mitchell is back at practice today. So valentine is officially out for the year.
Niiiiiice.

I know they have nothing to lose, so it might not indicate he’s actually ready, but getting Hogan and Mitchell back would be ginormous for this offense, especially as the competition increases.
 

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Niiiiiice.

I know they have nothing to lose, so it might not indicate he’s actually ready, but getting Hogan and Mitchell back would be ginormous for this offense, especially as the competition increases.
Who gets dropped if Mitchell "makes" the team? Do you think he will be better than Dorset or Britt?
 

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Who gets dropped if Mitchell "makes" the team? Do you think he will be better than Dorset or Britt?
If he’s healthy, easily better than both. I don’t know who goes, my guess is probably Dorsett, since they just gave Britt a deal for next year last week. I don’t think they can really afford a non-WR cut at this point.
 

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What is the rule on when the Patriots must add Mitchell to the 53-man? Is it still three weeks from when he starts to practice or is the time table compressed this late in the season when you bring a player off IR?

Hopefully, neither White nor Hogan needs to be IR'd, but obviously if either does that would open a spot. After that, probably Dorsett because he has very little dead cap left, and I'd say next on the list would probably be Harrison.

If you cut Dorsett, though, Mitchell better be ready. Unless Hogan is fully ready, no Dorsett means loss of depth and once he's cut he's gone.
 

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What is the rule on when the Patriots must add Mitchell to the 53-man? Is it still three weeks from when he starts to practice or is the time table compressed this late in the season when you bring a player off IR?

Hopefully, neither White nor Hogan needs to be IR'd, but obviously if either does that would open a spot. After that, probably Dorsett because he has very little dead cap left, and I'd say next on the list would probably be Harrison.

If you cut Dorsett, though, Mitchell better be ready. Unless Hogan is fully ready, no Dorsett means loss of depth and once he's cut he's gone.
He needs to be activated to the 53-man roster within three weeks of the day he returns to practice. which is today. The time table doesn't change based on the point at which you designate a player to return from IR.
 

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I’m a bit skeptical about Mitchell’s ability to meaningfully contribute after missing so much time (he also skipped OTAs this year). Is his route running and timing going to be crisp enough? We need help at WR pretty badly so I’ll take anything but I’m not all that optimistic.
 

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What is the rule on when the Patriots must add Mitchell to the 53-man? Is it still three weeks from when he starts to practice or is the time table compressed this late in the season when you bring a player off IR?

Hopefully, neither White nor Hogan needs to be IR'd, but obviously if either does that would open a spot. After that, probably Dorsett because he has very little dead cap left, and I'd say next on the list would probably be Harrison.

If you cut Dorsett, though, Mitchell better be ready. Unless Hogan is fully ready, no Dorsett means loss of depth and once he's cut he's gone.

I believe White was at practice today, did you mean Burkhead? I would think they would hold off activating Mitchell this week and just see if someone gets hurt against the Jets. But I did see another saying they think Mitchell "has a real chance" of being activated this week.
 

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I believe White was at practice today, did you mean Burkhead? I would think they would hold off activating Mitchell this week and just see if someone gets hurt against the Jets. But I did see another saying they think Mitchell "has a real chance" of being activated this week.
I did mean White -- but I'm glad to know it's not that severe. I think so long as Burkhead is even a possibility of coming back he needs to stay on the roster. So, probably means Dorsett is the odd man out.
 

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Marcus Cannon has a severe high ankle sprain that wasn’t improving and will likely need surgery, per source. Also had a foot injury. There’s a good chance he’ll be back by OTAs. The ankle actually gave him problems in 2016, too. He got rolled up in the opener and it got worse.
Late to the party on this one. But what was the ankle sprain issue that required surgery. Asking almost as much for myself as I am for Cannon.
 
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