I’ve read this like 10 times and I don’t get it. (I mean, I get it, but I don’t get it, you know?)
If they play had been ruled a fumble in real time, wasn’t Jacks down by contact?
SBLII: Patriots vs. Eagles, the Build-Up
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If they play had been ruled a fumble in real time, wasn’t Jacks down by contact?
I think it's going to be impossible for a lot of Giants fans. Many despise the Pats. It's probably mostly down to good old Boston-NY sports rivalry with a little hating on the Pats for all their success (and cheating 11!!!!!). And some kind of like the because of the two wins and assorted other reasons, including respect for Tom. But all of them HATE the Eagles with a passion.
If forced to choose between the Jets and Giants, I think I would leave the country for a few days.
Really? I have nothing against Giants other than they got us twice. And the damage has been done. Jets are basically AFC’s Philly. No thanks.
The statistics for these two teams are pretty similar, at a quick glance...
Record
- Phi: 15-3 (13-3, 2-0)
- NE: 15-3 (13-3, 2-0)
Points For
- Phi: 457
- NE: 458
Points Against
- Phi: 295
- NE: 296
Point Differential
- Phi: +162
- NE: +162
OSRS
- Phi: 7.0
- NE: 6.3
DSRS
- Phi: 2.5
- NE: 2.6
Points For Ranking
- Phi: #3
- NE: #2
Points Against Ranking
- Phi: #4
- NE: #5
How they got there, though, is different.
Passer rating
- Phi: 97.6
- NE: 102.6
Rushing offense
- Phi: 132.2 ypg, 4.5 ypc
- NE: 118.1 ypg, 4.2 ypc
Passer rating defense
- Phi: 79.5
- NE: 89.5
Rushing defense
- Phi: 79.2 ypg, 3.8 ypc
- NE: 114.8 ypg, 4.7 ypc
Giveaways
- Phi: 20
- NE: 12
Takeaways
- Phi: 31
- NE: 18
Record
- Phi: 15-3 (13-3, 2-0)
- NE: 15-3 (13-3, 2-0)
Points For
- Phi: 457
- NE: 458
Points Against
- Phi: 295
- NE: 296
Point Differential
- Phi: +162
- NE: +162
OSRS
- Phi: 7.0
- NE: 6.3
DSRS
- Phi: 2.5
- NE: 2.6
Points For Ranking
- Phi: #3
- NE: #2
Points Against Ranking
- Phi: #4
- NE: #5
How they got there, though, is different.
Passer rating
- Phi: 97.6
- NE: 102.6
Rushing offense
- Phi: 132.2 ypg, 4.5 ypc
- NE: 118.1 ypg, 4.2 ypc
Passer rating defense
- Phi: 79.5
- NE: 89.5
Rushing defense
- Phi: 79.2 ypg, 3.8 ypc
- NE: 114.8 ypg, 4.7 ypc
Giveaways
- Phi: 20
- NE: 12
Takeaways
- Phi: 31
- NE: 18
Apparently Wing Bowl is the Friday before the Super Bowl this year...
oh, I guess wikipedia makes it sound kind of innocuous:
At this link, there could be NSFW images (wing bowl employs strippers and stuff as ring girls): https://www.buzzfeed.com/jonpremosch/aint-no-thing-but-a-chicken-wing?utm_term=.dtOxQDQl5#.khmw3L3Dj
At the risk of being Captain Obvious, the Eagles’ stats are with Wentz at QB.
Foles had a great game yesterday and showed what he’s capable of. But regression to the mean is a real thing and the Pats are solid favorites because of it.
Malcolm Jenkins: Eagles D has answer for Tom Brady, Patriots
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/24056/jenkins-eagles-d-has-answer-for-tom-brady-patriots
http://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/24056/jenkins-eagles-d-has-answer-for-tom-brady-patriots
Yes. People don’t understand the rule, which is that as long as Jacks was contacted in the process of gaining possession he is down the moment he actually gains it. People think because Jacks never fully gained possession until he rolled over that he shouldn’t be down, but that’s not the rule.
Smh
Giants fan here. I am always amused by this board when you collectively speak of non Pats fans as obnoxious.
#FlyEaglesFly
#FlyEaglesFly
Yeah for sure and of course Wentz was the QB for most of those stats. I just found the statistical similarities pretty interesting.
I’ve got no issue with Jenkins’ quotes. Respectful of the opponent, confident in his own team. Not the least bit inflammatory.
I'm losing more and more respect for the giants fan base the more of them I see actually supporting a long time hated rival.
Seriously, i can't believe any Giants fans are supporting the Eagles.
The Giants beat the Pats twice, outside of the Pats just being good, what do Giants fans give a shit about the Patriots or hate them? They're the one team's fans who shouldn't give a shit. If anything, another Pats win just makes them look better. They'd literally be the only team to stop them in the Super Bowl and they did it twice.
There isn't a single team in the NFL I'd root against if the Steelers or Jets were in the Super Bowl. In an alternative world where they were both in it, I'd root for the end of the world first rather than root for either of them.
The Giants beat the Pats twice, outside of the Pats just being good, what do Giants fans give a shit about the Patriots or hate them? They're the one team's fans who shouldn't give a shit. If anything, another Pats win just makes them look better. They'd literally be the only team to stop them in the Super Bowl and they did it twice.
There isn't a single team in the NFL I'd root against if the Steelers or Jets were in the Super Bowl. In an alternative world where they were both in it, I'd root for the end of the world first rather than root for either of them.
Really? I somehow seem to meet a lot of douchenozzle Giants fans who can’t stop yapping about how Eli owns the Patriots and Tom Brady. Also, they’re mostly MFY fans too.
I would much, much rather see the Jets succeed than the Giants
It's the same type of person who was dangling off of Aaron Judge's nutsack on here last season.
BB/TB era, in the Super Bowl...
Year, opponent (defensive ranks): result
2001, vs StL (#7 points, #3 yards): W, 20-17
2003, vs Car (#10 points, #8 yards): W, 32-29
2004, vs Phi (#2 points, #10 yards): W, 24-21
2007, vs NYG (#16 points, #17 yards): L, 17-14
2011, vs NYG (#25 points, #27 yards): L, 21-17
2014, vs Sea (#1 points, #1 yards): W, 28-24
2016, vs Atl (#27 points, #25 yards): W, 34-28
They have played four times against top 10 scoring defenses. In those four games, they've averaged 26 points a game. Also 26 points a game scoring against top 5 scoring defenses.
Year, opponent (defensive ranks): result
2001, vs StL (#7 points, #3 yards): W, 20-17
2003, vs Car (#10 points, #8 yards): W, 32-29
2004, vs Phi (#2 points, #10 yards): W, 24-21
2007, vs NYG (#16 points, #17 yards): L, 17-14
2011, vs NYG (#25 points, #27 yards): L, 21-17
2014, vs Sea (#1 points, #1 yards): W, 28-24
2016, vs Atl (#27 points, #25 yards): W, 34-28
They have played four times against top 10 scoring defenses. In those four games, they've averaged 26 points a game. Also 26 points a game scoring against top 5 scoring defenses.
So much has happened since than, but those two fourth quarter TD drives against that Seattle defense are mind boggling.
I work in Manhattan and there is some of that but it’s mostly playful ribbing. Sure, there are the annoying Kellerman types but we all have those fans, especially the Patriots. They’re all just trying to get a rise from a fan base that doesn’t have much to get upset about.
Jets fans, like the Philly scum, are just a lower class of fan. They’re more obnoxious and violent. I think Minneapolis is going to have a real problem on its hands given the dynamics at play with Philly having just beaten the Vikings and still being incredibly bitter about the Pats previous SB win.
I get it and I don't get it.
I never understood the Philadelphia hate for Boston....I mean I get Sixers vs Celtics, but I never understood the hate for the Patriots (I realize they beat the Eagles in a SB, but it went beyond that).
I guess in summary, I should know better than to apply logic and reason to the Patriots related takes from some of the people I know from the greater Philadelphia area.
I have a thick skin and so this stuff makes me laugh. (And, as I said above, I recognize the deficiencies of the Eagles fan base.)
That said, it’s amusing to see the utter lack of introspection here at times. Also, the relative amnesia about the ugly episodes from the history of the Pats.
https://www.si.com/vault/1980/10/13/825098/scorecard
I am neither a fan of the Jets nor the Eagles but this is a tremendously obnoxious thing to say.
Or what Average Reds said. Man, the things people just blithely say about other people without even considering looking inward is horrendous.
"Lower class of fan" What a piece of shit thing to say.
I have two very good friends who are Giants fans, both are rooting for the Eagles and I don't think it is a particularly hard decision. Everyone is sick and tired of the Pats winning. I don't blame them, if I wasn't a fan I would like to think that I could appreciate what the Pats have done and are still doing, but at the same time I'd just want someone else to win.
Not if you attended the first SB in Jax. I saw more fighting and drunken behavior at that SB than any I’ve ever attended (and I’m now up to about 10 or so, including several non-Pats SBs).
You can think it’s obnoxious but Philly fans were by far the worst I’ve ever seen. Doesn’t mean Pats fans haven’t been similar in their history but Philly fans were just awful and it was more than just a select few of hooligans. It was very prevalent.
Yup. Philly fans' fondness for flinging artifacts is well-documented and continues to be documented.
I wonder how much play this type of video will get among the MN cops and other local security personnel next week.
If "Minnesota Nice" wasn't such a thing, it could get ugly.
Will they be obnoxious? Yes.
Will there probably be a few dust-ups the Friday and Saturday nights before the game in downtown bars? Yes.
Will the any Philly fans who take it too far get the shit kicked out of them because they are hopelessly outnumbered by Minnesotans who, although generally slow to anger, are often the type to carry pocket knives for hunting and fishing and stuff like that? Undoubtedly.
"Minnesota Nice" is misunderstood. It's not that Minnesotans are literally nicer than everyone else (although they are genuinely friendly and helpful), it's that they generally keep to themselves and don't want to know too much about you/your affairs unless they have reason to. It's a firm politeness that is actually meant to stifle further discussion. Like, if someone does a favor for you, say jumps your car, they want a thank you and maybe a quick discussion about the weather. They don't want to know your life's story, so they'll say "Ok, well, great, it's been sure nice meeting you!" and the expectation is that the conversation is over, NOT that the person wants to hang out or have you buy them a beer.
It's a social contract. "Yes, I'm a nice person so I'll say hi and be pleasant and help you when you need it because that's what good people do, but I am not your best friend so don't expect anything more from me, ok? Thanks."
EDIT: and sometimes, they are just flat-out nice.
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The Pats have their share of obnoxious, prone to violence fans as well, but the Krafts have done a ton to weed that element out of the game-day experience at least, making it clear that the sort of shenanigans that were common place at the old Foxboro Stadium will get you tossed and banned from Gillette. Obviously those Patriot fans still exist, they just aren't as prominent.
I mentioned it last night in one of the threads, but I was in Jax for the last Pats - Eagles Super Bowl, and it was a jarring experience. There were droves of them in Jacksonville looking to cause problems, particularly for Pats fans who were down there. Jacksonville was also probably the worst Super Bowl city you can imagine in terms of location of stadium and logistics and so forth so I think that contributed to it. I've only been to one other Super Bowl (Scottish Game) and even though Phoenix and Scottsdale were full of tons of New Yorkers and Bostonians, the atmosphere leading up to the game was very good natured.
I mentioned it last night in one of the threads, but I was in Jax for the last Pats - Eagles Super Bowl, and it was a jarring experience. There were droves of them in Jacksonville looking to cause problems, particularly for Pats fans who were down there. Jacksonville was also probably the worst Super Bowl city you can imagine in terms of location of stadium and logistics and so forth so I think that contributed to it. I've only been to one other Super Bowl (Scottish Game) and even though Phoenix and Scottsdale were full of tons of New Yorkers and Bostonians, the atmosphere leading up to the game was very good natured.
Exactly. To clarify, I’m not saying all Philly fans are scum and should have stated my original post better. I know several great ones. But this fan base has a real problem with violence and hooligan behavior. The Jax SB was simply disgusting to see. Patriots fans are far from perfect but I’ve never seen women pushed to the ground, sucker punches of old men, etc at any other stadium. And i’ve been lucky enough to go to about 12 non-Pats stadiums now.
No fan base is perfect, especially the Patriots, but Philly’s is more violent than any I’ve seen.
I went to that game and ended up tailgating with like 5 groups of Eagles fangs who couldn’t have Been better. During the game I didn’t see one Eagles fan being a dick. Guess it depends on where you were.
Soooo, I was watching the postgame show last night on CSN Philadelphia. They literally were discussing how there was going to be a parade on Broad Street in a couple weeks. Unironically. I nearly lost it, had to think of that awesome parade route speech before 39. And here we are again. Motivation is already there. As history repeats, oft do its messages and more subtle nuances, this being no exception.
Eh, it's not really an issue. Although, she's still pretty salty about XXXIX, especially after the Wickersham/Van Natta Deflategate article alleged that the Eagles gameplan was stolen.
I have a source very close to the Patriots who I trust completely, and he told me that they only stole a small part of the Eagles game plan, and it was just the section where McNabb goes to the sidelines to throw up repeatedly.
The problem for the Patriots is that shitty QBs only reveal themselves to be shitty when there's pressure. Otherwise, like we saw in the first 3 Qtrs last night, they can still find time to complete 6-9 yard dump-offs, which is usually enough.
The Pats have to find a way to pressure Foles into some mistakes. I don't know if they can do that.
The Pats have to find a way to pressure Foles into some mistakes. I don't know if they can do that.
He thinks the Pats D will continue to struggle with the RPOs (much like they did yesterday) and that's Philly's bread and butter.
I would use James Harrison and Trey Flowers and expose the backup LT they have in there. With no Jason Peters that is a matchup NE can win against the LT.
Fingers crossed, Sixachusetts. Or rename the six states of New England: XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLIX, LI, ...
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