SBLII: Patriots vs. Eagles, the Build-Up

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DJnVa

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Might this be due, primarily, to home field/court/ice advantage?
Home teams dressing in their whites vs away darks?
Doesn't seem like a stretch.
You're thinking baseball and basketball.

Most (all?) NFL and NHL teams wear dark jerseys at home.
 

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Dallas almost always wears white at home. Miami often does too, especially during day games in the sun.
Those two always used to, plus Washington. Back in the day you only saw the Dallas blue and Washington burgundy jerseys once a season, the road team when they played each other. Now these kids with their crazy color rushes and throwbacks, you never know what you'll see.
 

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Dallas almost always wears white at home. Miami often does too, especially during day games in the sun.
Yeah back in College (in Philadelphia) I was told that the Eagles would wear withe at home to make the Cowbows wear blue).
 

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Honestly, I assumed the Patriots picked white for the reason that heat is deflected more than dark colors, which absorb heats more. I'd imagine it gets -really- hot in domes.

(And consequently, why the Eagles seem to overheat in Super Bowl while Tom Brady seems as cool as the other side of the pillow.)
 

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Honestly, I assumed the Patriots picked white for the reason that heat is deflected more than dark colors, which absorb heats more. I'd imagine it gets -really- hot in domes.

(And consequently, why the Eagles seem to overheat in Super Bowl while Tom Brady seems as cool as the other side of the pillow.)
Yeah but black radiates heat better. I guess it depends on the lighting. You want your uniform to be light in visible wavelengths, reflecting the lights, but dark in the infrared, cooling you off.
 

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Yeah back in College (in Philadelphia) I was told that the Eagles would wear withe at home to make the Cowbows wear blue).
I'm pretty sure the Giants did the same to Dallas at least once back in the late 80's/ early 90's.
 

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Because this is the internet and literally everything is online, here’s a list of every instance in modern NFL history when a home team has worn white at home.

https://uni-watch.com/research-projects/white-at-home-in-the-nfl/

I'm pretty sure the Giants did the same to Dallas at least once back in the late 80's/ early 90's.
Your memory is correct — the (Parcells/Belichick) Giants wore white at home only against the Cowboys from ‘83-‘87. Didn’t really work. If I’m reading the results right the Boys went 3-2 in those games.
 

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Just another way to really piss non-Patriots fans off, Patriots fans discussing at length the pros and cons of the uniform type. Every other team would kill to just be going. Enjoy it while it lasts, no doubt though.
 

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You're thinking baseball and basketball.

Most (all?) NFL and NHL teams wear dark jerseys at home.
It’s not even basketball anymore. Now often times even both teams wear dark in NBA games.

Baseball, every team has 19 different alternates so it fluctuates, but pretty much standard white pants and maybe a variation on the jersey.
 

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You're thinking baseball and basketball.

Most (all?) NFL and NHL teams wear dark jerseys at home.
My formative years as a Bruins fan was during the era when NHL teams wore white at home. It still seems a little weird to me to watch the Bruins playing in their black jerseys at the Garden.
 

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Have to say, I love those purple seats. That has to be a great stadium to watch a game
I agree the purple looks awesome. Orlando City's primary color is purple and I think it looks great (and the stadium is a really fun place to see a game):

 

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Because this is the internet and literally everything is online, here’s a list of every instance in modern NFL history when a home team has worn white at home.

https://uni-watch.com/research-projects/white-at-home-in-the-nfl/



Your memory is correct — the (Parcells/Belichick) Giants wore white at home only against the Cowboys from ‘83-‘87. Didn’t really work. If I’m reading the results right the Boys went 3-2 in those games.
So what you're saying is that the color of a team's uniform doesn't have any bearing on the outcome of the game?
 

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Just another way to really piss non-Patriots fans off, Patriots fans discussing at length the pros and cons of the uniform type. Every other team would kill to just be going. Enjoy it while it lasts, no doubt though.
While this is true, there is a very active board I've been a part of for over 10 years that is completely devoted to sports logos and uniforms. There are plenty of fans who are irrationally interested in this topic. I do find it amusing when it blips on the radar of regular team discussion, though. I think it should happen more often :)
 

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Yeah but black radiates heat better. I guess it depends on the lighting. You want your uniform to be light in visible wavelengths, reflecting the lights, but dark in the infrared, cooling you off.
I don't mean to pollute the thread, but you are touching on a big argument in my house. When it comes to normal clothes (i.e., I have no idea what shade my shirt is in the infrared spectrum), say, plain cotton shirts and shorts, is it better on a hot sunny day to wear black, or white, all other things being equal?
 

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Yeah but black radiates heat better. I guess it depends on the lighting. You want your uniform to be light in visible wavelengths, reflecting the lights, but dark in the infrared, cooling you off.
So, in a domed stadium, there may be more infrared radiation than light heat, so Bill Belichick just outsmarted himself? Nah, not enough of either compared with the players heating themselves up with exertion, right?
 

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I don't mean to pollute the thread, but you are touching on a big argument in my house. When it comes to normal clothes (i.e., I have no idea what shade my shirt is in the infrared spectrum), say, plain cotton shirts and shorts, is it better on a hot sunny day to wear black, or white, all other things being equal?
Better to wear white on hot, sunny day. When is the last time you wore a black shirt on such a day? If driven home to change when I've found myself out in the hot sun in a black or dark blue shirt.
 

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I don't mean to pollute the thread, but you are touching on a big argument in my house. When it comes to normal clothes (i.e., I have no idea what shade my shirt is in the infrared spectrum), say, plain cotton shirts and shorts, is it better on a hot sunny day to wear black, or white, all other things being equal?
White if it's sunny and still air. If there's a breeze, black.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5903956/the-physics-that-explain-why-you-should-wear-black-this-summer
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1886/does-black-clothing-keep-you-cooler/
 

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Wednesday of week 1 and we've already devolved into uniform color arguments.
 

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People may be over complicating the decision. If there is one superstitious player on our roster — or on the Eagles, for that matter — that’s reason enough to dictate white.
 

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Wednesday of week 1 and we've already devolved into uniform color arguments.
Are you sure this isn't a step up?

To this point, there's only one non Xs and Os storyline to follow ... Will Gronk play? Might as well talk about something
 

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Under the 'fast facts and history' on that page it mentions that the Pats have never played at US Bank Stadium. If I'm looking at the Patriots team page on pro-football-reference correctly, it looks like Brady's record in stadiums that he's never played in before* is 26-10.

Not that it's at all relevant to this game, but it killed about 20 minutes of the wait until kick off...


*regular season and playoffs, I didn't look at pre-season games
 

DJnVa

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This is refreshing. In the past we've been endlessly litigating deflated footballs and team staff using cameras from the wrong location in the stadium.
This is a good point.

In past seasons, when the Brady vs. Manning debate was still a thing (lol!!!!) I would spend time manipulating Brady's stats if he played as many games in a dome, and Manning's as if he played outdoors. Gotta find something else to do.
 

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I am waiting for the next Wickersham-like story about BB/Brady tensions before the game. I'll be shocked if there isn't another round of that discussion inflamed by some new unnamed sources and more speculation about BB leaving after the season.
 

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I don't mean to pollute the thread, but you are touching on a big argument in my house. When it comes to normal clothes (i.e., I have no idea what shade my shirt is in the infrared spectrum), say, plain cotton shirts and shorts, is it better on a hot sunny day to wear black, or white, all other things being equal?
Good question- made me look up the IR absorbance properties of cellulose (cotton). Turns out cellulose has a strong absorption/emission region around 10 micron wavelength, which is the peak emission wavelength of the temperature of the human body, so yeah, white t shirt FTW in the summer- reflects visible, emits IR, win win.

Science!
 

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Injury report was released today and reported on as if there was practice today. Gronk, as expected, and Wise(which I didn't notice) both suffered concussions on Sunday.

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Gronkowski(concussion)
Wise(concussion)

LP
Brown(foot)
Gillislee(knee)
Waddle(knee)
 

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Wasn't Wise hurt on the play where the Jags got called for a hold but the Pats declined (just before the two-minute warning in the first half)? I thought I saw him out there after that though.
 

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A bit odd to ignore the Manchester, NH airport under flight connections.
If New England were hosting the Vikings, would you fault them for neglecting to include Rochester, MN in their airline guide?

I’ll wait while you look it up on Wikipedia.
 

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If New England were hosting the Vikings, would you fault them for neglecting to include Rochester, MN in their airline guide?

I’ll wait while you look it up on Wikipedia.
They listed Hartford and NYC airports for New England fans to fly out to MN, but not Manchester.
 

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They listed Hartford and NYC airports for New England fans to fly out to MN, but not Manchester.
Yeah, I mean it's an oversight. But my point was that Manchester is a small city and not one that comes to mind to anyone who doesn't live/visit New England.
 

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something for a slow day

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/01/eagles_millions_bet_famous_super_bowl_2018.html

The gambling world was rocked earlier this week when not only was a massive bet was placed on Super Bowl LII, but it was placed on the heavy underdogs, the Eagles.

Just how big of an impact did it have? Vegas Insider writes:

The first sonic boom Super Bowl bet heard across Las Vegas took place Wednesday afternoon at MGM Resorts where VP of sports book operations Jay Rood confirmed a multi-million dollar wager was placed on the Eagles at +5.5 causing the chain of 10 books on the Las Vegas strip to bypass -5 altogether and go straight to Patriots -4.5, which is the lowest number in town.

 

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Heard on the radio yesterday that it was the World series bettor placing $10M on the Eagles
 
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