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It’s definitely much deeper.
For sure. And between nagging injuries and rest days (and covid positives), having more depth probably keeps a better flow and prevents unnecessary, demotivating 3-game losing streaks. Not that playoff seeding is everything, but it would be nice to win more of those "JT got the night off with a sore hamstring" games.
 

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For sure. And between nagging injuries and rest days (and covid positives), having more depth probably keeps a better flow and prevents unnecessary, demotivating 3-game losing streaks. Not that playoff seeding is everything, but it would be nice to win more of those "JT got the night off with a sore hamstring" games.
He even missed Dunn on that.
 

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For sure. And between nagging injuries and rest days (and covid positives), having more depth probably keeps a better flow and prevents unnecessary, demotivating 3-game losing streaks.
Speaking of Covid positives......one thing to keep in mind is that Schroeder is an anti-vaxxer and was the only Laker still unvaccinated at the end of the season.
 

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That's 3 below average shooters with Tatum and Brown. Schroeder is a guy who's better with the ball in his hands. I think PP or Nesmith are better fits as that unit needs shooters to spread the floor.
Nesmith is going to play over Richardson? As of right now he doesn’t even have rotation minites how is he going to start?
 

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SSS & all, but Shredder's 1 good 3p shooting season (38%) was the year he played with CP3 & SGA.

Regardless, though, closing lineup matters much more than starting lineup & I'm sure there will be sufficient staggering of minutes with creators. Shredder definitely allows them enough depth in that department to do so.
 

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Don't have to have the best guys start to have the most effective unit. Just my opinion man.
wholeheartedly agree, the best 5 start is a mind-numbingly stupid approach to rotation construction

poor 3pt shooting around the Jays would lead to a lot of double teams
 

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Speaking of Covid positives......one thing to keep in mind is that Schroeder is an anti-vaxxer and was the only Laker still unvaccinated at the end of the season.
Not psyched to hear that. But at this point, we have to get used to guys missing a game or two waiting for negative tests whether everyone has been vaccinated or not. Guys will miss time time even if everyone in metro Boston were vaxed.
 

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Don't have to have the best guys start to have the most effective unit. Just my opinion man.
I’m not talking about starting.....I’m talking about playing. Where do you see Nesmith fitting into the guard rotation of Smart/Pritchard/Schroeder/Richardson? This doesn’t even account for Jaylen or even Romeo.
 

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This would be most excellent, especially as it seems both Schoeder and Irving hate each other. Kyrie has owned him over 16 games with 27.3 points, 6.2 assists, and 3.4 rebounds in 16 games. Schroder has averaged 12.8 points, 4.6 assists, and 2.3 rebounds in those 16 games.

I've only seen Schroder play a whole game a few times, but this is my read on him. Good not a great shooter. He's excellent at breaking down his man and driving to the basket and you can probably pencil him in for 15-20 ppg in 30 min. On the other end, I've seen him make a few athletic plays but what's the board's take on his defense? (Obviously, Kyrie torched him like he does everyone, though)
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Great development. Good decision by GS to play for a potential contender. I think Magic's very public comments about DS not being a winner was a factor driving him into the C's arms at this discount. Everyone knows DS can put up numbers. To get the big dough though he'll need to also push back against Magic's assessment. Playing with Tatum and Brown gives him that chance. I'm wishing him the best of luck! And our new GM continues to impress.
 

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I’m not talking about starting.....I’m talking about playing. Where do you see Nesmith fitting into the guard rotation of Smart/Pritchard/Schroeder/Richardson? This doesn’t even account for Jaylen or even Romeo.
That's kind of odd, those four are primarily the Celtic ballhandlers, right? Nesmith has decent length/strength and will play a different role on this team. With a full roster, he'll get limited rotational minutes to start the season. I mean its kind of fruitless to figure out minutes/rotations now, but there will be injuries, COVID variants, rest days, load mgmt, etc

Minutes/experience/shots will lead to more confidence and better shooting from AN (like his rookie year). He was extremely raw last fall, he'll benefit from his first healthy offseason, Summer League and preseason. Celtics need his 3pt potential to turn into a reality, so he'll get a chance. As the long NBA season progresses his role/minutes will increase, sheerly out of attrition. I'd expect him to be a rotational player by the playoffs

I'd be shocked if he started DAY1 this season BUT wouldn't be surprised if you see him start during the course of the season. The Jays will get a lot of attention/double teams, surrounding them with plus 3pt shooting is kind of a no-brainer. So it's not difficult to understand why people want to see more of Nesmith or Pritchard
 

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That's kind of odd, those four are primarily the Celtic ballhandlers, right? Nesmith has decent length/strength and will play a different role on this team. With a full roster, he'll get limited rotational minutes to start the season. I mean its kind of fruitless to figure out minutes/rotations now, but there will be injuries, COVID variants, rest days, load mgmt, etc

Minutes/experience/shots will lead to more confidence and better shooting from AN (like his rookie year). He was extremely raw last fall, he'll benefit from his first healthy offseason, Summer League and preseason. Celtics need his 3pt potential to turn into a reality, so he'll get a chance. As the long NBA season progresses his role/minutes will increase, sheerly out of attrition. I'd expect him to be a rotational player by the playoffs

I'd be shocked if he started DAY1 this season BUT wouldn't be surprised if you see him start during the course of the season. The Jays will get a lot of attention/double teams, surrounding them with plus 3pt shooting is kind of a no-brainer. So it's not difficult to understand why people want to see more of Nesmith or Pritchard
Count the available minutes for yourself. With Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Richardson all probably getting between 28 and 35 minutes, that leaves about 30 non-big minutes for Pritchard, Nesmith, RL, and G Williams. Not impossible that he'll leapfrog Pritchard, but I doubt it given how much more reliable Pritchard has been.
 

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Count the available minutes for yourself. With Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Richardson all probably getting between 28 and 35 minutes, that leaves about 30 non-big minutes for Pritchard, Nesmith, RL, and G Williams. Not impossible that he'll leapfrog Pritchard, but I doubt it given how much more reliable Pritchard has been.

Sure, but there's ALWAYS some rotation player injured. The minute breakdown charts are nice but they are never very accurate.

And this is the C's. Expecting even normal health is LOL.
 

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Count the available minutes for yourself. With Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Richardson all probably getting between 28 and 35 minutes, that leaves about 30 non-big minutes for Pritchard, Nesmith, RL, and G Williams. Not impossible that he'll leapfrog Pritchard, but I doubt it given how much more reliable Pritchard has been.
I wonder if there is a plan to spread minutes around much more this season after a season and a half of no rest no practice wore some guys down. Maybe not though - next season will have regular spacing, no?
 

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I wonder if there is a plan to spread minutes around much more this season after a season and a half of no rest no practice wore some guys down. Maybe not though - next season will have regular spacing, no?
I think, but it is still a short off season.
 

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Sure, but there's ALWAYS some rotation player injured. The minute breakdown charts are nice but they are never very accurate.

And this is the C's. Expecting even normal health is LOL.
Fair enough! No argument from me.
 

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Won’t they both start to begin the year?

If healthy I would think Schroder/Smart/Brown/Tatum/TL
Seems to me that having Al start alongside the Jays makes more sense. His outside shooting and ability to set great screens -- either rolling to hoop or picking/popping -- seems like the better complement for the Jays. Plus it opens up the lane a lot more for the Jays to drive.

Conversely having TL paired up with the second unit, where there are fewer guys to drive, gives him more opportunities to make hay around the hoop.
 

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I'd guess Schroder is in the 25ish minutes a game area, and I'd like it if he was the sixth man/primary creator of the bench.

Who plays how much among PP, Romeo, Nesmith and to a lesser degree Richardson is about matchup and how they are playing. It's great that they are going into this year with some legit veteran depth and (I believe) they will also allow the younger players to prove they should get minutes. It's a good balance.

The most interesting question for me is whether they plan to use a lot of smaller lineups with Jaylen at the 4, plan on Parker being a regular rotation guy, or something else at the backup 4.
 

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I wonder if there is a plan to spread minutes around much more this season after a season and a half of no rest no practice wore some guys down. Maybe not though - next season will have regular spacing, no?
Some of the Spurs teams that Udoka coached with spread out the minutes.

Tatum and Brown will play at least 30 minutes. There will probably be 48 big minutes. That leaves 132 minutes. With a 10 deep rotation, that’s 22 minutes each for the other six rotation players, probably Smart, Schroder, JRich, PP, Nesmith, and Romeo/Grant, depending on matchups.
 

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I'd guess Schroder is in the 25ish minutes a game area, and I'd like it if he was the sixth man/primary creator of the bench.

Who plays how much among PP, Romeo, Nesmith and to a lesser degree Richardson is about matchup and how they are playing. It's great that they are going into this year with some legit veteran depth and (I believe) they will also allow the younger players to prove they should get minutes. It's a good balance.

The most interesting question for me is whether they plan to use a lot of smaller lineups with Jaylen at the 4, plan on Parker being a regular rotation guy, or something else at the backup 4.
If you can't play Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown at the 4, you lose a ton of the value of having Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
 

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Tatum to me plays primarily maybe even solely 4. Brown will play some too—no question. What I was asking is whether anyone else plays meaningful minutes there or not
 

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I'd be surprised if Schroder started games if everyone is healthy, or finished them for that matter. I thought the plan seemed like it was to get real switchy on defense, now that we don't have to hide an IT/Kyrie/Kemba type. To me, that means Smart at the point. While he and Schroder are similar in height, Smart is both a better defender at the point of attack, and much more suited to guarding guys bigger than him. If I'm right, that means Richardson starts as the third wing alongside Tatum and Brown, with Horford or Timelord as the lone big.

The concerns about shooting are valid, though. If Horford holds up as the starter, that likely eases some of them. If Richardson can't be at least league average from 3, I could see swapping his spot with Schroder and letting Richardson handle the ball in the second unit with Pritchard playing off the ball.

I'd love it if the solution to these problems, both defensively and offensively, was Aaron Nesmith, but I think he'd need to take about two giant steps forward this year, and I just don't see it yet.

Edit: I don't think we'll see many minutes at all with two bigs on the floor. All of their bigs are pure 5's at this point in their careers, and it's hard to imagine any of them sharing the floor together. The team has a lot of wings that need minutes, and I think they want Langford and Nesmith to play. I suppose Grant Williams could force their hand with some minutes on the floor with another big, but only if he's shooting the ball well, and shows some lateral quickness again. Otherwise, I think he's out of the rotation.
 
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Count the available minutes for yourself. With Schroder, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Richardson all probably getting between 28 and 35 minutes, that leaves about 30 non-big minutes for Pritchard, Nesmith, RL, and G Williams. Not impossible that he'll leapfrog Pritchard, but I doubt it given how much more reliable Pritchard has been.
I don't think doing the math on per game minutes works, because coaches are a lot more tactical about their player use than they were in the past. It's not like the days when you could pencil in Iverson for 40 minutes/game for 75+ games a year. A lot of individual MPG are going to appear inflated because of how they are used/rested, etc. Schroder (for example) played 61 of 72 games last year.

In terms of total minutes you can expect something more like

Tatum and Brown 2400
Schroder and Richardson 2200
Smart 2000

Across four positions you still have ~4500 minutes to account for.

I could see the best two guys from the bench getting 1000-1500, possibly more if they really break out (coming at the expense of Schroder/Richardson). The rest of the minutes will just be garbage time, divided as they usually are.
 

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Tatum to me plays primarily maybe even solely 4. Brown will play some too—no question. What I was asking is whether anyone else plays meaningful minutes there or not
There will be second unit minites available whether it be a more traditional lineup w Grant at the 4 or smallball with Romeo there. We could also go big at times with Horford paired with TL or Kanter in spots. Udoka is going to have a shit ton of options which sometimes isn’t a good thing as players need to be comfortable in their roles to develop continuity......plus you have veterans in contract years along with young players whose rookie deals are up soon. He has his work cut out for him for sure.
 

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I don't think doing the math on per game minutes works, because coaches are a lot more tactical about their player use than they were in the past. It's not like the days when you could pencil in Iverson for 40 minutes/game for 75+ games a year. A lot of individual MPG are going to appear inflated because of how they are used/rested, etc. Schroder (for example) played 61 of 72 games last year.

In terms of total minutes you can expect something more like

Tatum and Brown 2400
Schroder and Richardson 2200
Smart 2000

Across four positions you still have ~4500 minutes to account for.

I could see the best two guys from the bench getting 1000-1500, possibly more if they really break out (coming at the expense of Schroder/Richardson). The rest of the minutes will just be garbage time, divided as they usually are.
I think the question was if Nesmith would start, wasn't it? I could totally see him accumulating 1000 minutes over the course of the season, and I would be excited to see that given the freakish shots he was taking and making with ease last night. But starting more than 10-20 games seems very unlikely to me.

As for the starting PG minutes: I'd really prefer Schroder or Richardson at the point to Smart as both of them can actually, you know, score competently on volume. Smart's a talented passer, but he's still a bad scorer. I don't think it's impossible that could change, but I wouldn't bet on him suddenly being the sort of guard who can penetrate or score with any real competency. He's closer to Avery Bradley than Bradley Beal in that regard. Playing him at the 2 frees him up to focus on what he's great at: making the lives of shooting guards and wings absolute miserable. Schroder isn't tremendous as a defender at the point of attack, but he's long and when he's engaged he's very feisty. I imagine he'd be just as good guarding 1's as Smart is. Interested to hear what others think about that.

Then you have Richardson and Pritchard taking point guard duties on the second unit. Between the two of them you can pick out mismatches and run pick and roll with Al or TL and find easy catch and shoot opportunities for whichever of Brown and Tatum are on the floor. That way Tatum doesn't have to rely on the ISO routine.

I just can't stop sighing with relief. It's just going to be so great to not have to watch Semi's thousand-yard stare or Grant's pump-fake-and-panic routine whenever the ball swings to the corner. Instead you'll have Pritchard, J-Rich or Nesmith over there to swish threes. That's just a way better outcome to my mind.
 
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There will be second unit minites available whether it be a more traditional lineup w Grant at the 4 or smallball with Romeo there. We could also go big at times with Horford paired with TL or Kanter in spots. Udoka is going to have a shit ton of options which sometimes isn’t a good thing as players need to be comfortable in their roles to develop continuity......plus you have veterans in contract years along with young players whose rookie deals are up soon. He has his work cut out for him for sure.
That's what I'm interested to see---do they envision Horford at 4 in a material way? Is that only reactive (against a Philly-like setup) or is it proactive too? Not sure. Grant, to me, was likely charged this summer with proving he can be a playable 4/stretch big. If he can give 10-15 minutes credibly that way it helps a lot and reduces pressure on Brown (in particular) to play bigs on D.

The roster now has a lot of optionality, which is the opposite of last year's. They can figure out what Richardson does as more of a ballhandler and whether his shooting rebounds; that will impact the minutes of all the other wings and also PP. They can see how Romeo and Nesmith develop, and to a lesser degree PP, and play them more or less as season goes on. Lots of guys you might flip by deadline (Richardson, Schroder, Kanter as vets and the 'losers' of Romeo/Nesmith/PP/Grant derby for minutes as add-ons or 'winners' including TL if there's an impact deal) depending on who is available and how it plays out. Competition, flexibility, a blend of young/old and the only real gap is a backup 4, which still could end up being Grant or Parker.

Fun developments, and while I'm not a huge Schroder fan he's a useful piece and the risk/reward here is great. I do heed HRB's warning about playing time as you know Richardson and Schroder will have their eyes on FA.
 

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Sorry Bill, but there's no way Schroeder sits ahead of Smart on that list. And I say that as someone who likes the signing and isn't a Smart fanboy.
There's no way? Schroder definitely should be starting over Smart. If Udoka empowers Smart to be a "facilitator" the only thing he'll facilitate is more shots for himself. Let Smart be the defensive energy guy coming off the bench.
 

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Part of me wants to see a Schroder/TimeLord combo in the 2nd unit. Dennis can get around the floor and feed TL at the rim.

HRB's warning is fair. If DS equates POINTZ with PAY then we'll see Contract year Rozier
 

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I can see Smart's energy and intensity being utilized in the 6th man role and end of game close outs. IMO the the rotation is still in flux until PBS and Coach U figure out chemistry and fit.
 

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There's no way? Schroder definitely should be starting over Smart. If Udoka empowers Smart to be a "facilitator" the only thing he'll facilitate is more shots for himself. Let Smart be the defensive energy guy coming off the bench.
Why not start both? Their size/matchups complement each other as they would with a Pritchard/JRich second unit. It seems so awkward to me to play the majority of minites against opponents starters with Smart/JRich while going small off the bench with Schroeder/Pritchard. The other thing is that this year more than ever we kinda blend the traditional 1-2-3 positions together with Jaylen and JRich pure 2/3 while Smart and Langford can defend 3 or 4 positions. So much flexibility along with so many logical pairings. It’s exciting.
 

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I can see Smart's energy and intensity being utilized in the 6th man role and end of game close outs. IMO the the rotation is still in flux until PBS and Coach U figure out chemistry and fit.
I cannot envision a scenario where Smart is sent to the bench, either in a contract year or after signing a rich new deal, in favor of one of our two stopgap one-year contract guys JRich or Schroeder. I like him as a nice combo guard with Pritchard on the second unit but I don’t ever want to see him as our starting PG which takes away his strengths defensively while exposing his weaknesses offensively. I know we discuss this a lot but it still it’s not logical to me as to why this would be his most effective use.....especially now that we have someone to fulfill that role. Even though JRich has always been a starting 2/3 in this league he’s a contract year guy who came here via trade......he needs to adapt his role to our needs, not us adapt our rotation to his.
 

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If you can't play Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown at the 4, you lose a ton of the value of having Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.
You'll definitely see Tatum as the second tallest guy on the floor a lot and occasionally Brown. I don't think you'll see Tatum as the tallest guy on the floor very often.
 

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Jay King/Athletics' take on Dennis Schroder

Schröder will give the Celtics another layer of dribble penetration. Last season, he took 35 percent of his shot attempts from within four feet of the basket, according to Cleaning the Glass. Smart and Richardson, each at 21 percent in the same category, don’t put the same type of pressure on the rim. Schroder averaged 5.8 assists per game last season even while playing alongside LeBron James. Schroder also averaged 13.3 drives per game, more than anyone on the Celtics. He will bring a different element of speed and pop to the offense, one the team needed after dealing away Walker.

It’s not clear yet who will start for the Celtics, but they now have Schröder, Smart, Richardson and Payton Pritchard as potential lead ball handlers, plus Tatum and Jaylen Brown, who will carry a heavy offensive burden. Ime Udoka said Tuesday that he hopes Tatum and Brown will show off major growth as playmakers and believes they can take “a huge step” on that front. Udoka also said he intends to put the ball in Smart’s hands “a lot more.” Smart led the team in assists last season at 5.7 per game, but thinks he can handle more playmaking responsibilities.

The 6-foot-3 Schröder can fit next to other ball handlers. During the 2019-20 season, probably his best statistically, he often lined up next to Chris Paul and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander. The Thunder outscored opponents by 28.6 points per 100 possessions with that trio on the court, beating opponents with speed and skill rather than size. Schröder came off the bench in all but two games that season and still managed to average 18.9 points and 4.0 assists per game. He finished second in Sixth Man of the Year

They also have a weird mix of non-shooters in the backcourt, but that won’t be as much of a problem if second-year pros Payton Pritchard and Aaron Nesmith show they deserve bigger roles. Both young players can space the court, a trait the Celtics appear to need. Udoka seems to be excited about their potential, saying the Celtics have “a ton of high-level young shooters.”

Pritchard and Nesmith could be ready for more minutes, but Boston has spent the offseason trying to build a more mature roster. After Stevens said he wanted to find experience and edge, he added a number of veterans with playoff experience. Schröder has always been an agitator, as the Celtics learned years ago when they met his Hawks in the postseason. He may not represent a perfect basketball fit on his new team, but the Celtics secured impressive value with his contract while their options elsewhere were limited. This late in the offseason, finding an impact player on a one-year contract is rare.


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Part of me wants to see a Schroder/TimeLord combo in the 2nd unit. Dennis can get around the floor and feed TL at the rim.

HRB's warning is fair. If DS equates POINTZ with PAY then we'll see Contract year Rozier
While I share your concerns (and HRBs), I want to remind everyone that contract year MaMo was every bit the root cause as contract year Scary Terry. At least PBS has seen it before and probably doesn't want to get burned by that again.
 

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There's no way? Schroder definitely should be starting over Smart. If Udoka empowers Smart to be a "facilitator" the only thing he'll facilitate is more shots for himself. Let Smart be the defensive energy guy coming off the bench.
They have basically the same assist statistics & Schroder shoots more & turns the ball over more, so this seems off.

Last season, Schroder/Smart:

Apg 5.8/5.7
Ap36 6.5/6.2
Ast% 26.9/23.6
Usg 22.9/18.4
Fga36 14.0/11.6
Tov% 15.8/14.2
 

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You'll definitely see Tatum as the second tallest guy on the floor a lot and occasionally Brown. I don't think you'll see Tatum as the tallest guy on the floor very often.
I'm glad to learn that the Celtics are done with the small ball experiment with Grant Williams at the 5. ;)
 

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They have basically the same assist statistics & Schroder shoots more & turns the ball over more, so this seems off.

Last season, Schroder/Smart:

Apg 5.8/5.7
Ap36 6.5/6.2
Ast% 26.9/23.6
Usg 22.9/18.4
Fga36 14.0/11.6
Tov% 15.8/14.2
Using numbers like this indicate they are similar players.....which couldn’t be further from the truth. Schroeder can get to his spots in the halfcourt with his dribble and deliver the ball effectively against pressure as he’s a threat to blow by. Smart isn’t that threat so defenders can play up on him further from the basket to slow down our initiation of the offense. We saw this at the end of last year when he was forced to play the 1. Our offense began with 15 on the clock often times with the ball in Tatum’s hands in iso 35 feet from the basket. I don’t anticipate this occuring nearly as much this year.
 

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Using numbers like this indicate they are similar players.....which couldn’t be further from the truth. Schroeder can get to his spots in the halfcourt with his dribble and deliver the ball effectively against pressure as he’s a threat to blow by. Smart isn’t that threat so defenders can play up on him further from the basket to slow down our initiation of the offense. We saw this at the end of last year when he was forced to play the 1. Our offense began with 15 on the clock often times with the ball in Tatum’s hands in iso 35 feet from the basket. I don’t anticipate this occuring nearly as much this year.
Yeah, sorry wasn't trying to indicate similarity - just showing the premise of the post, which seemed to be that Smart is a selfish chucker, wasn't really accurate.

I like all the depth & options they've created while remaining flexible.
 

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Yeah, sorry wasn't trying to indicate similarity - just showing the premise of the post, which seemed to be that Smart is a selfish chucker, wasn't really accurate.

I like all the depth & options they've created while remaining flexible.
Yeah I’ve never seen Smart as a wild chucker although he has his moments of poor shot selections like many players. I feel their skills can be used to complement the rotation especially defensively as Smart’s lockdown wing defense isn’t wasted picking up 94 feet as it would if he were out there with mostly JRich. Allowing The Jays to not have to defend opponents best wing scorers in iso will aid them by conserving energy for the offensive side of the ball.
 

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I’m not talking about starting.....I’m talking about playing. Where do you see Nesmith fitting into the guard rotation of Smart/Pritchard/Schroeder/Richardson? This doesn’t even account for Jaylen or even Romeo.
The case for Nesmith playing, even starting, depends on his spot up shooting. If he can knock down open threes as well as or better than Pritchard (thus better than the other competition), then there is a case for getting him minutes next to the Jays. He's obviously not proven that yet, but that would be the argument.
 

benhogan

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While I share your concerns (and HRBs), I want to remind everyone that contract year MaMo was every bit the root cause as contract year Scary Terry. At least PBS has seen it before and probably doesn't want to get burned by that again.
Indeed. It's great that PBS created all this flexibility (expirings to get Beal/other) but it does come with its downside. PBS has to be more aware of those pitfalls than most after Ky-Hex Year

Smart, JRich and Schroder all will be fighting for the same FA $$$ for similar roles. Knowing Smart's competitive personality and Schroder's edginess I'd expect friction between the two of them

Hopefully, Smart (& TL) get extended now
 

RedOctober3829

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They have basically the same assist statistics & Schroder shoots more & turns the ball over more, so this seems off.

Last season, Schroder/Smart:

Apg 5.8/5.7
Ap36 6.5/6.2
Ast% 26.9/23.6
Usg 22.9/18.4
Fga36 14.0/11.6
Tov% 15.8/14.2
For this team, I want Schroder starting and Smart coming off the bench. If Smart starts, you can guarantee that he'll revert back to shooting too many 3's and becoming a black hole for stretches. As Jay King says, Schroder should be taking a lot of his shots around the basket especially being that he's going to be playing next to two stars in Tatum and Brown. That is what they need the most is guys who can get to the rim for some easy baskets to take some pressure off of JT/JB.

As for @HomeRunBaker comment on playing them both at the same time....I can see that happening to close out games giving them a bigger backcourt on the defensive end.
 

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So the Celtics replaced most of Kemba’s production for 1/5th the salary, with a slightly less efficient scorer, who is less of a liability on defensive. He won’t have to load manage, either.
 

lovegtm

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So the Celtics replaced most of Kemba’s production for 1/5th the salary, with a slightly less efficient scorer, who is less of a liability on defensive. He won’t have to load manage, either.
Pretty much this. He doesn't have anywhere close to Kemba's gravity from 3, but they weren't getting tons out of that anyway.