Scoring and rules questions-2014

[DJnVa]

This came up briefly in the game thread tonight. If Pedroia had not gone back to tag up, how do the Orioles appeal that play since the teams (well, the Sox) had left the field? I assume this is what Showalter was asking the umps about after the game.
 
Do they have to drag the Sox out there? Just ask the umps? Do the umps just make the call when asked?

 

[MakMan44]

I'd like to think that an umpire was watching to see if Pedey was leaving too early and would have made the call before they left the field. Not sure if that's the case though.
 
They did mention that the play wasn't reviewable quite a few times, so I imagine the process hasn't changed from any other year if I'm wrong.

 

[SumnerH]

Orioles throw to third, appeal to ump. If the Os all leave the field, they can't appeal. Leaving early is an appeal play only, the umps can't call it on their own.

Googling reference....

 

[fenwaypaul]

Orioles throw to third, appeal to ump. If the Os all leave the field, they can't appeal. Leaving early is an appeal play only, the umps can't call it on their own.

Googling reference....

 
Surely it would have been major news if this rule had been changed.

 

[SumnerH]

"7.08 a runner is out if...(d) He fails to retouch his base after a fair or foul ball is legally caught before he, or his base, is tagged by a fielder. He shall not be called out for failure to retouch his base after the first following pitch, or any play or attempted play. This is an appeal play."

Plus the usual appeal play rules in rule 9.

 

[MakMan44]

nvm, I'm misunderstanding this. 

 

[SumnerH]

Appeal plays must always be appealed, the ump can't call them without appeal. Exactly when the defense loses the right to appeal might be slightly different earlier in the game (eg even if the defense is still on the field, you can't appeal after a subsequent pitch).

 

[MakMan44]

Appeal plays must always be appealed, the ump can't call them without appeal. Exactly when the defense loses the right to appeal might be slightly different earlier in the game (eg even if the defense is still on the field, you can't appeal after a subsequent pitch).

Answered anyway. As always, thank you Sumner. 

 

[PseuFighter]

To the other question in the OP, I assume the team would have to return to the field or be subject to a forfeit.

(Reminds me of that bizarre Dolphins / Patriots game at the old stadium many years ago when the teams were forced back for a final play (in front of an empty building) for I'm forgetting why exactly)

 

[DJnVa]

To the other question in the OP, I assume the team would have to return to the field or be subject to a forfeit.

(Reminds me of that bizarre Dolphins / Patriots game at the old stadium many years ago when the teams were forced back for a final play (in front of an empty building) for I'm forgetting why exactly)

 
It was for an XP, which is required to be kicked, except in sudden death OT periods.

 

[DJnVa]

Appeal plays must always be appealed, the ump can't call them without appeal. Exactly when the defense loses the right to appeal might be slightly different earlier in the game (eg even if the defense is still on the field, you can't appeal after a subsequent pitch).

 
So I imagine that conversation was:
 
Buck: Can I challenge that?
Ump: No.
Buck: Do you know who I am?
Ump: Yes.
Buck: What about an appeal?
Ump: You'd have to get the team back on the field, including the Sox.
Buck: Would it be worth it?
Ump: No.

 

[SumnerH]

 
So I imagine that conversation was:
 
Buck: Can I challenge that?
Ump: No.
Buck: Do you know who I am?
Ump: Yes.
Buck: What about an appeal?
Ump: You'd have to get the team back on the field, including the Sox.
Buck: Would it be worth it?
Ump: No.

 
You don't need the Sox on the field to appeal.  As long as a single defender hasn't left the field, he can walk over with the ball, touch 3rd, and appeal to the ump.
 
From Rule 7.10:

If the violation occurs during a play which ends a half-inning, the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field...
For the purpose of this rule, the defensive team has “left the field” when the pitcher and all infielders have left fair territory on their way to the bench or clubhouse.

 

[Phil Plantier]

 
It was for an XP, which is required to be kicked, except in sudden death OT periods.

No, I was there, the refs determined after the game ended that there should have been 3 seconds on the clock, and it was theoretically important for dolphins playoffs implications, so the pats got one more play, which fell incomplete I think.

 

[DJnVa]

Okay, I must be thinking of something else. Thanks.

 

[DJnVa]

Quick, report to the college baseball thread!!!

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

So in tonight's game Mike Napoli hit a ball to left field that was ruled a catch, but was actually dropped on the dive by Ackley.  Papi was on first and retreated to the bag after Napoli was ruled out.  Ackley threw the ball to Cano at second who eventually tagged the bag while John Farrell came out to challenge the call on the field that the ball was caught.  After a review, the call was overturned and Napoli was awarded first while Papi was moved up to second.
 
Seattle's manager came out and then initiated his own challenge.  Don and Eck assumed he was challenging that since Ackley had dropped the ball, Cano touching second was a force out of Papi who should have advanced.  The umps never clarified what they were reviewing (they never do, so I'm not dining them for that) which leaves me confused.  If the call on the field was out, and the call was overturned via replay, how could Seattle challenge the non-call on a force play at second there?  If that's not what was being reviewed, what else could Seattle have been challenging?
 
What am I missing?

 

[OttoC]

The review process did not work. Obviously, if it was ruled no catch, the ball is in play and Ortiz was forced out at second.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

It worked fine. Ortiz does not own a time machine, so he had to go by the 3rd base umpire's initial "out" call on the field and retreat to 1st.

When the umpires fix any incorrect on-field call, they have to place the base runners. (Umpires' reluctance to do this was a barrier to getting replay for anything more than HR calls. But I digress.)

Ortiz would have been unlikely to get to 3rd, so they put him on 2nd. Done. Problem solved.

Now if we could only get AJP to show some patience at the plate so easily...

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I'm pretty sure Otto was joking.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

He's got such a droll sense of humor.
 
Thanks.