September call-ups

grimshaw

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May as well start this one since Jon Abbey just did the Yankee version.

The Sox have a much tougher than normal September with 5 series remaining against playoff level opponents. They can basically play a lot worse and still mathematically seal the #1 with more than a week remaining. This month is mostly about resting regulars. But they have a pretty deep bullpen bench so it should also improve the pitching.

Catcher - The extra catcher is obvious. If Vazquez is healthy it's him. Otherwise it's Butler. The interesting thing to watch is how much the former plays compared to Leon the way Sandy has been rolling.

Infield - Lin seems like a lock. With Kinsler now healthy, once Devers returns they'll be up two total infielders. X hasn't crashed and burned this half yet, so it'll be nice to keep that up and get him off his feet some more. 2b has already been split and Pearce can always play more 1b if needed. Tony Renda is still there but I doubt he'll be up unless there are injuries.

Outfield - I'll put Lin here as well since he has been playing CF. They don't have any legitimate outfielders in AAA but are covered by Holt and to a lesser degree Pearce. Sam Travis is a possibility too if he plays LF but he is redundant.

Pitchers - They'll be adding Rodriguez soon. So Johnson will probably move to the pen, though I guess it's possible that guy is Eovaldi instead. I'm sure we'll see 3 or 4 more arms on top of that. And there are way more than 4 candidates. Bobbie Poyner has pitched well most of the year, so he's probably one of them. William Cuevas and Justin Haley are multi inning guys they can abuse. Less likely are Marcus Walden, Robby Scott, and Chandler Shepherd.

There are a few other wild cards who may be assets but haven't been added yet. Travis Lakins has been great between AA and Pawtucket as well as Matthew Gorst who finally gave up earned runs after a lengthy scoreless streak. There is a spot on the 40 man still.

For injured guys, I think the clock has run out on Wright. Austin Maddox finally started rehabbing again. He was one of their better pitchers down the stretch last year and made the division series roster. Unless there are multiple injuries I think he lost his shot. I'm not seeing Durbin Feltman making it up either.
 
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With one available spot on the 40-man and only one candidate to go on the 60-day DL (Wright), I'm not so sure how many non-roster guys (Butler, Gorst, Lakins, Feltman) they can really add. Maddox is probably a lock to take one of them. Of the non-roster guys mentioned, I think Butler is probably the leading candidate because even if Vazquez comes back, he may not be 100% right off. Then probably Lakins since he's Rule 5 eligible this winter anyway. There's always the possibility of snagging someone through waivers too.

Thing is, unless they think a guy like Gorst or Lakins has a chance to Ryan Brasier his way on to the post-season roster with a great showing in September, they don't really need a boost from their pen re-inforcements. Just decent innings to run out the clock on the season without wearing out the top guys too much, which guys like Scott and Haley and Poyner can probably give.
 

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Has there been any updates on Vasquez? Been about 6 weeks; been an afterthought with the Sox playing .700 baseball, but if healthy he’s likely a piece of the postseason bench.
 

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For injured guys, I think the clock has run out on Wright. Austin Maddox finally started rehabbing again. He was one of their better pitchers down the stretch last year and made the division series roster. Unless there are multiple injuries I think he lost his shot. I'm not seeing Durbin Feltman making it up either.
I'm not sure why you think the clock has run out on Wright. Ian Browne/RedSox.com reported yesterday about Wright:

"Steven, he's back on the mound, throwing bullpens. I saw him earlier, he threw a few bullpens when we were on the road. He's feeling good. We'll see where we go with that," said Cora. "I don't know if that means he's on a rehab assignment. The way I saw him in the weight room, the way he talked, he feels like he's getting very close."

While Wright has had success as a starter and a reliever for Boston this season, the latter role would be more helpful given the construction of the current roster.

How can Wright help in relief?

"The same as earlier in the season when he came in," said Cora. "It's a change of pace. He did an outstanding job coming in the middle of games and giving us a chance to win ballgames. When he's on, it's a tough one, it's a good one. I think when he comes back it's going to be in that role. We'll see how it goes when he comes back."
 

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As for the 40... I don't think anyone not currently on the 40-man is going to be added. So, no Gorst or Lakins or either Josh Smith or an outfielder. The only possible exceptions would be:

1) Dan Butler, but only if Vazquez is not coming back.
2) Brandon Phillips – but I only see that if there is a major injury to an infielder and they would not return this season.

I'm also not certain that every player that could come up will come up. I expect a certain number of these players will go down to Florida to keep their work in in case they are needed.

Pitchers: To Boston: Rodriguez, Wright, Workman. Possibly to Boston: Cuevas, Poyner, Scott. To Florida: Haley, Walden, Maddox, Shepherd

Catchers: To Boston: Vazquez To Florida: Butler

Infielders: To Boston: Devers, Lin. To Florida: Renda, Travis ???: Brandon Phillips

Outfielders: To Boston: None. To Florida: None
 

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Good time to see what we have in Lin. He's had a terrific year in AAA and his position versatility should allow us to rest different regulars down the stretch
 

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I would think that both Poyner and Scott would come up, and be given enough opportunities to claim a spot as a LOOGY on the playoff roster. The only reason one of them isn’t here already is because Pomeranz needs a spot, Johnson can’t be optioned, and Velazquez has pitched too well to justify demoting him.
 

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I would think that both Poyner and Scott would come up, and be given enough opportunities to claim a spot as a LOOGY on the playoff roster. The only reason one of them isn’t here already is because Pomeranz needs a spot, Johnson can’t be optioned, and Velazquez has pitched too well to justify demoting him.
And the possible opinion of the team that they don't, actually, need a LOOGY.

My guess is that even if both come up in September, neither will make a post-season roster without a huge run of injuries.
 

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And the possible opinion of the team that they don't, actually, need a LOOGY.

My guess is that even if both come up in September, neither will make a post-season roster without a huge run of injuries.
I agree that they don’t need a LOOGY in the regular season. That’s likely another reason why they haven’t had those two on the shuttle much and another plus in the management column this year.

The playoffs are a different game and only needing 4 starters lets you add an extra targeted arm. Scott is somebody who is death on lefties. That’s a good weapon to deploy strategically.
 

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I agree that they don’t need a LOOGY in the regular season. That’s likely another reason why they haven’t had those two on the shuttle much and another plus in the management column this year.

The playoffs are a different game and only needing 4 starters lets you add an extra targeted arm. Scott is somebody who is death on lefties. That’s a good weapon to deploy strategically.
Which lefties on the projected opposing playoff teams do you fear enough to give Robby Scott a roster spot?
 

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Which lefties on the projected opposing playoff teams do you fear enough to give Robby Scott a roster spot?
There aren't really that many. I mean are you really going to bring in Robby Scott who has been buried all year to face anyone in high leverage?
 

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Left handed batters against Scott in his major league career are 11-79 with 2 sacrifices, 8 walks and 3 HBP. That’s pretty f’ing good.

In AAA this year lefties are 8-58 with 6 BB, 3 HBP and only 1 measily XBH.

That’s also pretty good.

High leverage? Like 8th inning up 1 run. No. That should be Barnes or Kimbrell.

High leverage, like 4th inning, starter struggling down 4-3 runners on and 2 lefties coming up. Yeah. I don’t think it would be suboptimal to have a good LOOGY as the 8th reliever out there to get me out of that
 

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Left handed batters against Scott in his major league career are 11-79 with 2 sacrifices, 8 walks and 3 HBP. That’s pretty f’ing good.

In AAA this year lefties are 8-58 with 6 BB, 3 HBP and only 1 measily XBH.

That’s also pretty good.

High leverage? Like 8th inning up 1 run. No. That should be Barnes or Kimbrell.

High leverage, like 4th inning, starter struggling down 4-3 runners on and 2 lefties coming up. Yeah. I don’t think it would be suboptimal to have a good LOOGY as the 8th reliever out there to get me out of that
Plympton,

In a typical year, I would agree with you. But what others are saying (without presenting the data, unfortunately) is that there really won't be enough intimidating left-handed hitters in the AL playoffs to make it worth carrying a LOOGY.

Pure left-handed hitters on the 5 likely AL playoff teams, sorted by OPS (min 300 PA):
Benintendi .877
Brantley .821
Gregorious .816
Moreland .788
Matt Olson .779
Alonso .747
Devers .719
Reddick .709
Gardner .705
Bradley Jr. .687
Kipnis .669

So there are only a few lefties that wouldn't immediately be pulled for a pinch-hitter if faced with Scott in a high-leverage spot (Brantley, Gregorious, maybe Reddick or Gardner if defense is still a concern?). And it's essentially certain that your scenario of facing 2 lefties in a row won't happen. Maybe 2 lefties out of the next 3 in a Porcello start against Cleveland, but even that's unlikely.

There are some NL lineups that would warrant carrying a LOOGY if the Sox make the world series, but considering teams are allowed to change up rosters between rounds, that's only an argument for keeping Robbie Scott sharp in Fort Myers until then.

Edit: And cutting the threshold down to 100 PA only adds Tony Kemp (Hou), Greg Bird (NYY), and BROCK HOLT!, so teams stocking up on lefties to take advantage of a team with an all-RHP bullpen is unrealistic as well.
 
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oh please. the last time Cora tried to use Scott he blew up at Minnesota. and I'm pretty sure that was against some lefties.

Scott was good for a bit, but he was a journeyman for a reason and the league has figured him out. he should be nowhere near a postseason roster.

the "LOOGY" / lefthanded (power) reliever is going to be ERod or Pom, if they have one.
 

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The Yankees have Bird, Gregorious, and Gardner all likely in the starting lineup and with no obvious PH options, especially if it were middle innings and not close and late, plus Walker as a potential lineup/PH option who is 10-59 against LH this year (and 18-84 last year).

And they are the most likely first round opponent, are they not?

As to DS, Pomeranz isn’t going to magically recover his effectiveness. And Rodriguez is this team’s third best starter if he’s healthy.

I won’t bother pointing out that a two game sample is meaningless (Oops, I guess I just did).
 
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The Yankees have Bird, Gregorious, and Gardner all likely in the starting lineup and with no obvious PH options, especially if it were middle innings and not close and late, plus Walker as a potential lineup/PH option who is 10-59 against LH this year (and 18-84 last year).
Just because a guy is a LHH that doesn't automatically mean you need a LOOGY to get him out. Gregorius has a moderate split; he's a good hitter vs. RHP, but still a decent one vs. LHP, so a LOOGY doesn't buy you much. Bird has a moderate reverse split at the MLB level; that may be a SSS artifact, but it certainly makes the need for a LOOGY for him questionable. Gardner has a very modest split for his career, and a tiny one for 2018.

These aren't the kind of hitters you need to LOOGY up for. And this is pretty much true for all our likely AL playoff opponents. Probably the most LOOGY-worthy LHH we're likely to see are Brantley and Olson.

If and when we get to the World Series, that might be a different story, especially if we're facing the Cubs (Rizzo and Schwarber), Brewers (Shaw and Thames), or Dodgers (Bellinger and Pederson) -- dangerous hitters whose Kryptonite is LHP.
 

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High leverage, like 4th inning, starter struggling down 4-3 runners on and 2 lefties coming up. Yeah. I don’t think it would be suboptimal to have a good LOOGY as the 8th reliever out there to get me out of that
Unless it's Rick Porcello in that situation, they are not going to pull Sale, Price, or Rodriguez for a LOOGY.
It's a waste of a roster spot against any AL team.
 

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Unless it's Rick Porcello in that situation, they are not going to pull Sale, Price, or Rodriguez for a LOOGY.
It's a waste of a roster spot against any AL team.
Waste of a roster spot is relative to effectiveness. Right now, Thornberg is a waste of a roster spot. When even a pitch that looks perfectly located is getting jacked out of the park, you’re not fooling anyone at all.

But I think we’ve beaten that horse, time will tell through effectiveness of the call ups and the superb management team’s assessment of the playoff matchups.

On a different note, does the closeness of the team to the key tax penalty threshold affect the number of call ups? If they really are right on the precipice, the number of players addied for September could be the difference between sneaking over and sneaking under couldn’t it? I’d imagine they will add a couple pitchers and Lin regardless, but I wonder if they’ll limit callups if they aren’t already over?