Shaka Smart to Marquette?

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Makes sense since he's from that area and Marquette can pay a lot of money for their basketball coach (Buzz was making close to $3M per year). Also perhaps given the early exits in the last few tournaments he might figure that he's taken VCU as far as he could and wants a new challenge.
 

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Rumors in coaching circles were that Illinois and UCLA were "cheat" jobs, and that Smart was so squeeky clean he did not want to be associated with them. 
 
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I said a day or two ago that VCU is currently a better job than Wake or BC. THi should prove I'm wrong.
 
No idea why he would take Marquette, that conference is going in the wrong direction. Unless he thinks he can dominate Nova and Georgetown, which I doubt.
 

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I thought so too, until several Marquette alums starting talking about basketball budgets. Marquette spent $10M+ on their program, putting them somewhere in the top 15 in the country. Going there, without a natural recruiting base and a conference that si going downhill, is not great, but he'll get $3M per. I don't get why Wake or BC wouldn't pay that much or more given the revenue difference coming in the next few years.
 

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It makes little sense in that he's already turned down better programs like UCLA. He'll get his money wherever he goes so why would he go to the dying Big East? Not doubting the rumors but just don't understand it from his point of view. Buzz Williams probably moved because of the conference because I don't think Virginia Tech is even paying him more money. He was making $2.8 million / year at Marquette and signed an $18 million deal over 7 years at Virginia Tech. My guess is he wanted the conference stability.
 
While it is not a power conference any longer and this year's performance in the tourney left a lot to be desired, I would hardly call the conference dying. Nova has strong program with a solid pipeline of top 50/100 recruits, as does Georgetown, Marquette (if they stick with Buzz leaving), and Xavier. St John's attracts the talent to be in the tourney every year (Lavin is a bad Xs and Os coach) and Seton Hall has a top 10 recruiting class coming in next year. The real question is whether Creighton and Butler are viable longer term and if the conference can pick off any more A-10 teams down the road (Dayton? St Louis?). 
 
Edit: Chris Mack news is interesting to say the least.
 

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It makes little sense in that he's already turned down better programs like UCLA. He'll get his money wherever he goes so why would he go to the dying Big East? Not doubting the rumors but just don't understand it from his point of view. Buzz Williams probably moved because of the conference because I don't think Virginia Tech is even paying him more money. He was making $2.8 million / year at Marquette and signed an $18 million deal over 7 years at Virginia Tech. My guess is he wanted the conference stability.
 
http://college-basketball.si.com/2014/03/21/buzz-williams-stunningly-leaves-marquette-for-virginia-tech/?eref=sihp
 
There are some reasons that hint at Williams’ departure. Marquette still needs a new president, announcing last week that it is continuing to vet semifinal candidates. After that, it needs a new athletic director, because the man with whom Williams had no shortage of friction, Larry Williams, resigned in December and has yet to be replaced. (In August 2012, Larry Williams suspended Buzz Williams for one Big East game and fired assistant coach and close friend Scott Monarch for recruiting violations, a move that caused irreparable damage to the head coach-AD relationship.)
 
 
Many have since written that Buzz' departure was indeed due to internal conflict at Marquette. 
 
The "death" of the Big East has been way overblown, with ESPN behind the wheel. The conference has had 15 Top 100 kids commit, and the last time I checked, the class rankings looked like this:
 
#6 Hoyas
#9 SHU
#17 Xavier
#18 Marquette
#27 Providence
#35 Nova
 
Huge get for Marquette if the Shaka news is true.
 

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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
I said a day or two ago that VCU is currently a better job than Wake or BC. THi should prove I'm wrong.
 
No idea why he would take Marquette, that conference is going in the wrong direction. Unless he thinks he can dominate Nova and Georgetown, which I doubt.
 
Marquette has a top 10 basketball budget. Getting paid 3-4 million a year in a top 5-6 conference in the nation when several schools in that conference can't compete financially is a recipe to make the tournament every single year. As far as pure basketball jobs, unless you want to avoid the spotlight (Shaka can't no matter where he goes), Marquette is an elite job. 
 
The fact that he has Wisconsin roots makes this a great fit for Smart. It's not difficult to understand.
 

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pdaj said:
 
http://college-basketball.si.com/2014/03/21/buzz-williams-stunningly-leaves-marquette-for-virginia-tech/?eref=sihp
 
 
Many have since written that Buzz' departure was indeed due to internal conflict at Marquette. 
 
The "death" of the Big East has been way overblown, with ESPN behind the wheel. The conference has had 15 Top 100 kids commit, and the last time I checked, the class rankings looked like this:
 
#6 Hoyas
#9 SHU
#17 Xavier
#18 Marquette
#27 Providence
#35 Nova
 
Huge get for Marquette if the Shaka news is true.
 
There's another important number that should be listed here:
 
#12 VCU
 
Anything's possible, but I'd be shocked if he leaves. This feels very similar to all those Illinois rumors a season or two ago.
 

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There's another important number that should be listed here:
 
#12 VCU
 
Anything's possible, but I'd be shocked if he leaves. This feels very similar to all those Illinois rumors a season or two ago.
 
As someone noted upthread, Illinois isn't a great job. You can't convince city kids to go to Champaign without 'greasing the wheels'. Brad Stevens was told he'd have to 'grease the wheels' and turned it down a few years back. At Marquette, Smart could get the Tier II kids from Chicago and finish top 3 in the Big East every year. His style/personality is so different from Bo Ryan, he could probably get most of kids he targets in state. These are conservative predictions. 
 
The imminent President/AD mess is the only thing that could make this a bad fit. 
 

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If it's true, fuck.

VCU's program would suffer greatly without Smart. He has built a perennial tourney team that has continually improved. The draft classes are getting stronger and in a few years (depending on a deeper run next year) could be a top ten program in the country and claim an A-10 title or two, and a possible move over to the ACC (unless the spat with Coach K causes issues).
 

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EastCoasterOutWest said:
If it's true, fuck.

VCU's program would suffer greatly without Smart. He has built a perennial tourney team that has continually improved. The draft classes are getting stronger and in a few years (depending on a deeper run next year) could be a top ten program in the country and claim an A-10 title or two, and a possible move over to the ACC (unless the spat with Coach K causes issues).
 
So here's the thing, there's this sport called football...
 

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If it's true, fuck.

VCU's program would suffer greatly without Smart. He has built a perennial tourney team that has continually improved. The draft classes are getting stronger and in a few years (depending on a deeper run next year) could be a top ten program in the country and claim an A-10 title or two, and a possible move over to the ACC (unless the spat with Coach K causes issues).
 
Um, ACC?
 
No.
 

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He didn't go to Illinois, he's not going to BC.
 
And Wake will always be #4 in NC.
 

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I really don't believe too much about the Big East really being on the downturn, but instead possibly just evolving into a solid basketball-only conference with schools having that same vision.  The schools in the Big East have not only had consistently deep NCAA tournament runs, but many also with championships.  In some regards, when compared to the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Pac 12, the schools know their identity: basketball schools.  I can see that appeal to Shaka, especially given his roots as others have mentioned.
 
As much as I've been happy about the rise of the A-10 over the past few years, rarely has a school consistently gone deep in the tournament; and Butler wasn't in the A-10 long enough to count in my opinion (and wasn't a member in their back-to-back championship appearances).  There's always a solid team or two, but rarely one that has been able to maintain a strong NCAA presence.  Similar to the feeling with Calipari at UMass, I never really felt Shaka was at VCU for the long term.  In fact, I'm not even sure how the A-10 will shakeout over the next 2-5 years.  There are nine private and four public schools, UMass the only school with an FBS program (although not exactly established; but would be surprised if their long-term eye isn't on the American Athletic Conference), and speculation of VCU, Saint Louis, and Dayton leaving at some point.  I can definitely see Shaka going for the Big East, and Marquette seems like a good fit for him.
 
I suppose the question of why Marquette over BC, Wake Forest, Illinois, and UCLA.....but Marquette seems mostly focused on basketball out of those schools and, as others have said, he has his roots there.  The fit seems natural and the timing probably as good as it will get.
 

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Grimace-HS said:
I really don't believe too much about the Big East really being on the downturn, but instead possibly just evolving into a solid basketball-only conference with schools having that same vision.  The schools in the Big East have not only had consistently deep NCAA tournament runs, but many also with championships.  In some regards, when compared to the ACC, SEC, Big 10, or Pac 12, the schools know their identity: basketball schools.  I can see that appeal to Shaka, especially given his roots as others have mentioned.
 
Well schools in the Big East haven't won a title since 1985 and since that time they have had 2 Final Four appearances since then.
 

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PER TWITTER: Shaka Smart is both the new coach at Marquette and nowhere close to being the new coach at Marquette.
 

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Well schools in the Big East haven't won a title since 1985 and since that time they have had 2 Final Four appearances since then.
I count three since 2009:
2009 Villanova
2010 Butler
2011 Butler
 

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I count three since 2009:
2009 Villanova
2010 Butler
2011 Butler
Got me good. I forgot Butler. So in 29 years no titles and 5 Final 4 appearances. That's a lot of deep runs/
 
Forgot Marquette too. Ah nevermind there was also the PC appearance in 87
 

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Got me good. I forgot Butler. So in 29 years no titles and 4 Final 4 appearances.
You're stil way off:
1987 Providence
1989 Seton Hall
2003 Marquette
2007 Georgetown
2009 Villanova
2010 Butler
2011 Butler

but I don't think the final four criteria and selective endpoints are doing your argument many favors. Let's look at it for the AAC (next year's membership):
1992 Cincinnati
1999 Connecticut*
2004 Connecticut*
2008 Memphis (vacated)
2009 Connecticut
2011 Connecticut*
*Champions

Does this tell me anything about the conference's current strength? All it really shows me is that Calipari, Huggins, and Calhoun are three great coaches, but they're no longer with the schools they brought to the Final Four. Based on the above criteria, one would say the AAC is clearly the better conference, but that's obviously not the case.
 

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Thanks Domer and Dan Murfman....it's been a long Monday.  I actually wasn't thinking of the two Butler appearances (not in the Big East at the time, but still valid since we're talking about current Big East teams), yet I was thinking of UConn, Syracuse, and Louisville (in the Big East at the time, but not now)....so at least I was consistently inconsistent.
 

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Domer said:
You're stil way off:
1987 Providence
1989 Seton Hall
2003 Marquette
2007 Georgetown
2009 Villanova
2010 Butler
2011 Butler

but I don't think the final four criteria and selective endpoints are doing your argument many favors. Let's look at it for the AAC (next year's membership):
1992 Cincinnati
1999 Connecticut*
2004 Connecticut*
2008 Memphis (vacated)
2009 Connecticut
2011 Connecticut*
*Champions

Does this tell me anything about the conference's current strength? All it really shows me is that Calipari, Huggins, and Calhoun are three great coaches, but they're no longer with the schools they brought to the Final Four. Based on the above criteria, one would say the AAC is clearly the better conference, but that's obviously not the case.
Why is the AAC even being mentioned? The poster said the Big East conference were making deep runs. I really don't think that was the case.
 

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It's worth noting that Marquette is a rudderless ship at the moment; it lacks both a president and an athletic director,
 
 
probably doesn't help...
 

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A friend got a text from a player saying Smart told them this morning he wasn't leaving. I can't independently confirm this or find a story about it but do trust my friend.
 

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Yes, it's confirmed: 

Adam Finkelstein @AdamFinkelstein
Shaka Smart spoke to VCU commits & their coaches yesterday & assured them he isn't going anywhere
 
And on top of that, it seems the entire rumor may have been started out of thin air. Which makes a whole lot more sense than Shaka leaving VCU and his top 15 recruiting class for a mid-tier team in the New Big East.