Shank aka CHB calls out David Price calling out Eck

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Focus on what matters. This shit doesn't matter if he gets guys out. I am sure Caesar Crespo was really great in post game celebrations. It is likely Bill Russell or Ted Williams in their paying days, have bad reactions to that water. It is also likely Price's team mate hit his with the water precisely because they know he would react that way. It is funnier to hit the guy with a stick up his ass.

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What happens to the luxury tax if they kill him? Is that a better outcome than a release? Everything needs to be on the table at this point.
I know it's a different sport but the Pats got nothing for Aaron killing another, and nothing for killing himself.
 

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I was going to post this same thing....when Beltre would throw a tantrum any time somebody touched his head everybody ate it up and thought it was funny.

Now all of a sudden Price makes a face after getting doused in ice water and it's the scandal of the century. It's scary how much control over the narrative the media has. This story is asinine

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"Eck in the Legends Suite after he was uproariously cheered [in the middle of the 3rd inning] by the Fenway crowd — strangely, the much-anticipated moment was not carried by NESN"...this was mentioned by both Buckley and Mastrodonato in the Herald and while Abraham covered it in the Globe, there was no mention of NESN ignoring it.
 

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"Eck in the Legends Suite after he was uproariously cheered [in the middle of the 3rd inning] by the Fenway crowd — strangely, the much-anticipated moment was not carried by NESN"...this was mentioned by both Buckley and Mastrodonato in the Herald and while Abraham covered it in the Globe, there was no mention of NESN ignoring it.
Perhaps because it was between innings?
 

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Perhaps because it was between innings?
Yeah, it was between innings but given how much time they seem to spend during innings with cameras off the play they could have found time to include a brief glimpse. especially as Eckersely is one of the team's announcers.
 

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If they wanted to show it they would have.... I mean we saw a bunch of Sale highlights while Fister was pitching a gem the previous night
 

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They've shown ex-players in the Sox suite before, they just replay the player standing, waving, etc at some point soon after they return to air.
It was an intentional decision by NESN not to show it.
I swear they show Fisk like five times a year in that box
 

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Do we really care about why NESN didn't show Eck getting a standing ovation? Are we REALLY still discussing this? Even here, Shank, AGAIN, gets the best of the fan base. Man, we just walk right into it every time.
 

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Hanley was the one who doused Price. Probably aiming for Vazquez.
Did you see the 2nd bucket that Hanley had when Price turned around...Hanley damn near hit him in the head with the bucket...not sure that woulda been an "accident"..LOL
 

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Is this a lynching joke?
Are YOU joking?

He made a joke, about the saying "take him out back and shoot him" and why it is "out back" so technically it is a saying joke or a shooting joke.

It has absolutely nothing to do with lynching or race. Don't make the 87th incarnation of this thread about race AGAIN please

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"Eck in the Legends Suite after he was uproariously cheered [in the middle of the 3rd inning] by the Fenway crowd — strangely, the much-anticipated moment was not carried by NESN"...this was mentioned by both Buckley and Mastrodonato in the Herald and while Abraham covered it in the Globe, there was no mention of NESN ignoring it.
While they didn’t show it happen, they didn’t ignore it. Dave O’Brien brought it up (specifically pointing out how big the ovation for him was) and Jonny Gomes made a remark about him deserving the ovation (he said something along the lines of “If you’re sitting in the Legends Suite, you deserve the biggest ovation").
 

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No. And to reiterate what wayapman just posted, we would all appreciate it if this did not turn in to another race thread. That goes for everyone.
Heard.

Not sure why the standard of discourse can include ten posts joking about various ways of killing David Price before someone stepped in.
 

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Heard.

Not sure why the standard of discourse can include ten posts joking about various ways of killing David Price before someone stepped in.
The first post was sarcasm and all the other posts riffed on that joke. You don't get jokes or subtlety very well do you?
 

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I kind of think Price keeps his yap shut if Gomes says yuck next time he gives up 6 runs.
Price, or any Sox pitcher, could give up 20 runs and Gomes wouldn't criticize him.

I don't want broadcasters to be unfair to players, but to have virtually EVERY play made by the team during a stretch of bad baseball praised by Timlin and Gomes is not fun to listen to.
 

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I am curious about ratings break downs for Eck broadcast games vs. anyone else but couldn't find anything day to day, just that ratings were down 20%

While I watch every game regardless, I would be a little more likely to tune into the pre or post game show if he was on it. Particularly if it was a bad loss.

I'm sure the main reason in managements response to the incident is public reaction and keeping a local legend happy to retain his services, but cynically speaking, if there is a significant ratings difference that's a large factor as well.
 
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The first post was sarcasm and all the other posts riffed on that joke. You don't get jokes or subtlety very well do you?
Speaking of taking someone out back and shooting them...
Guys, really? Not trying to be snarky here. But I truly don't understand.

I know this board covers many different demographics and generations, but are none of you thrown by the general ugliness of a series of "jokes" and "subtlety" about killing a player that's currently widely despised by Red Sox Nation who happens to be black? Isn't there a flicker of awareness of history and context?

Anti-racist work is part of my profession and I'm aware I'm more sensitive to it than most. My membership was mysteriously revoked (before today) and I imagine it's a message from the dopes that conversations about race are simply not welcome. I'm not trying to come after anyone and I'm sorry if it has felt that way. And I hear you, absintheofmalaise, to chill on that component of the discussion.
 
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Guys, really? Not trying to be snarky here. But I truly don't understand.

I know this board covers many different demographics and generations, but are none of you thrown by the general ugliness of a series of "jokes" and "subtlety" about killing a player that's currently widely despised by Red Sox Nation who happens to be black? Isn't there a flicker of awareness of history and context?

Anti-racist work is part of my profession and I'm aware I'm more sensitive to it than most. My membership was mysteriously revoked (before today) and I imagine it's a message from the dopes that conversations about race are simply not welcome. I'm not trying to come after anyone and I'm sorry if it has felt that way. And I hear you, absintheofmalaise, to chill on that component of the discussion.
I'm not trying to pile on and attack you here but you definitely have your antenna up around anything that might be located within a country mile of race. I think you're trying to find connections where they don't exist. The initial joke about shooting him was a sarcastic response to people's overeaction to all the Price drama. He wasn't even jokingly advocating shooting Price. You're grasping at straws here. And this is coming from someone who hates a lot of Sox fans at the moment for their reaction to Price in general. I am also someone who thinks at least part of the hatred out there on social media etc is actually race related. However, I'm not going to paint everyone with a broad brush and try to tie everything back to the color of Price's skin either which you seem to be doing here.
 

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Guys, really? Not trying to be snarky here. But I truly don't understand.

I know this board covers many different demographics and generations, but are none of you thrown by the general ugliness of a series of "jokes" and "subtlety" about killing a player that's currently widely despised by Red Sox Nation who happens to be black? Isn't there a flicker of awareness of history and context?

Anti-racist work is part of my profession and I'm aware I'm more sensitive to it than most. My membership was mysteriously revoked (before today) and I imagine it's a message from the dopes that conversations about race are simply not welcome. I'm not trying to come after anyone and I'm sorry if it has felt that way. And I hear you, absintheofmalaise, to chill on that component of the discussion.
Maybe time to take a break from this thread. JFC.
 

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I was under the distinct impression from the Hardy tweet on that this was all next-level sarcastic irony, and that Price's stinkface after getting doused was simply funny and that's what was being pointed out.

Moving from that towards lynching jokes is the kind of leap that Bob Beamon would gawk at.
 

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While they didn’t show it happen, they didn’t ignore it. Dave O’Brien brought it up (specifically pointing out how big the ovation for him was) and Jonny Gomes made a remark about him deserving the ovation (he said something along the lines of “If you’re sitting in the Legends Suite, you deserve the biggest ovation").
I missed that. Thank you for pointing it out.
 

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Is this a lynching joke?
I grew up in Nowheresville, NH, back when the state had fewer than 2000 African-Americans living there. Some people might have used the N-word but by far the most bigotry I saw was directed towards French-Canadians, Poles, Italians, Jews, the religion that you weren't (i.e., Catholic/Protestant), and by today's standards, women.

As for "in back of the barn?" Well, farmers would take animals, sick, old, or to be slaughtered, out in back of the barn to shoot them and probably bury them there. What the derivation of that phrase was, I do not know, but I never, ever heard anyone make the slightest inference to race when using it.
 

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Guys, really? Not trying to be snarky here. But I truly don't understand.Anti-racist work is part of my profession
I'm sure your approach is massively successful at changing hearts and minds. Please note that the sentence immediately preceding this is intended to be sarcastic.

And yeah, I know I'm piling on, but your leap to "lynching! omg!" from a wordplay joke about why people say "shot out back" reflects a profound inability to parse language in such a way that decodes any context or intent. That inability, combined with your admitted "sensitivity" (*cough* obsession *cough*), results in some of the most tone deaf posts I've read on this board. Speaking as someone pretty much 100% in agreement with the perspective to which you maintain allegiance, I think you might want to engage in some self-reflection vis-a-vis your culpability regarding reactions you have generated.
 

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They're enjoying every bit of the Price story in NYC. And who could blame them? I would pay a lot of American dollars for this shit show to be going on in the Bronx.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/david-price-upset-red-sox-walk-off-celebration-article-1.3376168
Anyone who gives a shit what the average Yankee fan in NYC thinks of David Price needs to re-evaluate their life choices.

The David Price saga is incredibly small potatoes compared to the ARod shitfest that played in NY for the last three or four years. (Note: the Yankees are still paying him more than $20 million to appear on Fox Sports.)

Somehow, the Yankees survived ARod. The Red Sox will almost certainly survive David Price.
 

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"Eck in the Legends Suite after he was uproariously cheered [in the middle of the 3rd inning] by the Fenway crowd — strangely, the much-anticipated moment was not carried by NESN"...this was mentioned by both Buckley and Mastrodonato in the Herald and while Abraham covered it in the Globe, there was no mention of NESN ignoring it.
I understand the circumstances, but they do the Legends Suite thing every game and the reception is always remarkably positive. I think, just like Price's reaction to the water bucket, this is a non-story. Having said that, I'm absolutely on Eck's side with all of this. We knew Price was sensitive when we got him, none of this crap should be a surprise.
 

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Look at the flowers, Lennie.
I've heard lynchings sometimes happen over near the flowers. Some kind of killing, anyway.

So, this thread is still open to make sure nobody pollutes any of the other threads with this stuff, yes?
 

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I grew up in Nowheresville, NH, back when the state had fewer than 2000 African-Americans living there. Some people might have used the N-word but by far the most bigotry I saw was directed towards French-Canadians, Poles, Italians, Jews, the religion that you weren't (i.e., Catholic/Protestant), and by today's standards, women.

As for "in back of the barn?" Well, farmers would take animals, sick, old, or to be slaughtered, out in back of the barn to shoot them and probably bury them there. What the derivation of that phrase was, I do not know, but I never, ever heard anyone make the slightest inference to race when using it.
Definitely familiar with the origins of the phrase. The confusion was the "over there by that tree" riff. I believe joe dokes that that's not what he meant, but for a running joke about shooting a dude(!), it seemed weird.

Per your point about bigotry toward "French-Canadians, Poles, Italians, Jews, etc." - sure, that exists. It's not appropriate to lump that in with black people in the U.S.

If I've offended the standards of some on this board who "don't see race" or whatever, fine. Bottom line is, David Price has been getting gaslit for literally everything he does, which now includes mainstream Boston sports radio personalities tweeting gifs of manipulated moments to make him look like an asshole. It's become a cottage industry in Boston to produce content that reinforces people's dislike of him. There's a racial component to that double standard whether this board accepts it or not.
 

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If I've offended the standards of some on this board who "don't see race" or whatever, fine. Bottom line is, David Price has been getting gaslit for literally everything he does, which now includes mainstream Boston sports radio personalities tweeting gifs of manipulated moments to make him look like an asshole. It's become a cottage industry in Boston to produce content that reinforces people's dislike of him. There's a racial component to that double standard whether this board accepts it or not.
David Price has been gaslit for everything he does because he's an overly sensitive, prickly MLB player with a habit of attacking media figures/opposition players who criticize him in any way. He also has an unfortunate track record in the postseason, which - in combination with his huge contract - doesn't play well in Boston.

It's foolish to pretend that race isn't a constant factor in everyday life for a black athlete in Boston. But in this case - where there is no evidence of race at work - you are using that as a crutch. You are also (by your own admission) hypersensitive to your perceptions of race and you are letting that color your perceptions.

In and of itself, that's fair. But when called on it, you have turned it around and asserted (by implication) that those who "don't see race" are the ones who are misguided. And if you're going down that road, the burden is on you to make your case. And general assertions don't do it.
 
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Definitely familiar with the origins of the phrase. The confusion was the "over there by that tree" riff. I believe joe dokes that that's not what he meant, but for a running joke about shooting a dude(!), it seemed weird.

Per your point about bigotry toward "French-Canadians, Poles, Italians, Jews, etc." - sure, that exists. It's not appropriate to lump that in with black people in the U.S.

If I've offended the standards of some on this board who "don't see race" or whatever, fine. Bottom line is, David Price has been getting gaslit for literally everything he does, which now includes mainstream Boston sports radio personalities tweeting gifs of manipulated moments to make him look like an asshole. It's become a cottage industry in Boston to produce content that reinforces people's dislike of him. There's a racial component to that double standard whether this board accepts it or not.
To clarify, it was NOT a running joke about shooting a guy.

The remark about shooting him was an exaggeration of the post about this being the straw that breaks the camel's back, i.e. him being done. So someone took that point, and piled on exaggerating a bit, specifically invoking an expression that implied that Price was not a good pitcher anymore. This specific form of exaggeration--invoking a related idea that is absurd and everyone knows it (i.e. that Price's talent is depleted)--is a key feature of America humor. See how it works on multiple levels--it both riffs off of the "the team should be done with Price" thing (which is annoying and funny) of the camels' back cliché, but then doubles it up with the absurdity of anyone who follows Price thinking he's no longer good.

In this way, these statements of feigned confusion as to Price's situations and talents allow the poster to play the fool, pretending at dumbness. This allows the other readers to both enjoy the farce while receiving the lesson: Don't be this guy. This sort of interaction has been a feature of humor in the West at least since the Ancient Greeks and perhaps further back--sadly, my studies in this field do not allow me to say if it goes furthur back or what it's lineage in Eastern literature is.

Then, the final line about the tree had nothing to do with the alleged violent nature of the dicussion at all, but was ruminating on why location matters in a cliché. This form of word play allows people to play with concepts and learn more about how they work--many people enjoy this activity in the form of humor. Why ARE the animals always dragged out back to be shot, anyway? (The joke here is that it should be obvious--people don't want to see us shooting animals. Again, the humor lies in someone saying something dumb about an obvious truth.)

Race relations, as evidenced in the very term--like all politics--happens between people. I agree that people often misunderstand or misidentify or even fail to identify serious structural race issues all the time (A significant number who know the term continue to misapprehend what institutional racism really is, for that matter.) and it sucks.

But by the same token, if you do violence to the language of others in your vigilance, you actually impede communication, which is a death knell for your project. Indeed, people in general--many of those being those you wish to reach--will find it alienating. I mean, if you find a thing simply because you are looking for it, well, that's how cops end up jumping to conclusions too--and we know what that has meant to race relations; look hard enough to find the suspicious thing and soon you find yourself firing. And then the wrong people sometimes get hurt. And people get pissed.

Now, the purpose of all this snark is: If you can't (or refuse to) understand how people communicate, you will find your effectiveness in getting what I consider to be the terribly important purposes of your work to be severely limited. Frankly, you are currently making it that much harder for the rest of us on this board who care about this stuff to get others to take it seriously to convince people from dismissing it--an implicit project/discussion that has been going on on this board literally for years.

And I'm not even a little bit kidding.
 

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To clarify, it was NOT a running joke about shooting a guy.

The remark about shooting him was an exaggeration of the post about this being the straw that breaks the camel's back, i.e. him being done. So someone took that point, and piled on exaggerating a bit, specifically invoking an expression that implied that Price was not a good pitcher anymore. This specific form of exaggeration--invoking a related idea that is absurd and everyone knows it (i.e. that Price's talent is depleted)--is a key feature of America humor. See how it works on multiple levels--it both riffs off of the "the team should be done with Price" thing (which is annoying and funny) of the camels' back cliché, but then doubles it up with the absurdity of anyone who follows Price thinking he's no longer good.

In this way, these statements of feigned confusion as to Price's situations and talents allow the poster to play the fool, pretending at dumbness. This allows the other readers to both enjoy the farce while receiving the lesson: Don't be this guy. This sort of interaction has been a feature of humor in the West at least since the Ancient Greeks and perhaps further back--sadly, my studies in this field do not allow me to say if it goes furthur back or what it's lineage in Eastern literature is.

Then, the final line about the tree had nothing to do with the alleged violent nature of the dicussion at all, but was ruminating on why location matters in a cliché. This form of word play allows people to play with concepts and learn more about how they work--many people enjoy this activity in the form of humor. Why ARE the animals always dragged out back to be shot, anyway? (The joke here is that it should be obvious--people don't want to see us shooting animals. Again, the humor lies in someone saying something dumb about an obvious truth.)

Race relations, as evidenced in the very term--like all politics--happens between people. I agree that people often misunderstand or misidentify or even fail to identify serious structural race issues all the time (A significant number who know the term continue to misapprehend what institutional racism really is, for that matter.) and it sucks.

But by the same token, if you do violence to the language of others in your vigilance, you actually impede communication, which is a death knell for your project. Indeed, people in general--many of those being those you wish to reach--will find it alienating. I mean, if you find a thing simply because you are looking for it, well, that's how cops end up jumping to conclusions too--and we know what that has meant to race relations; look hard enough to find the suspicious thing and soon you find yourself firing. And then the wrong people sometimes get hurt. And people get pissed.

Now, the purpose of all this snark is: If you can't (or refuse to) understand how people communicate, you will find your effectiveness in getting what I consider to be the terribly important purposes of your work to be severely limited. Frankly, you are currently making it that much harder for the rest of us on this board who care about this stuff to get others to take it seriously to convince people from dismissing it--an implicit project/discussion that has been going on on this board literally for years.

And I'm not even a little bit kidding.
Good post.

I recognize my post count -- and my mysteriously revoked membership -- don't earn me cache here. But I don't need lessons in humor.

I'm not feigning confusion. As far as I can tell, this board is nearly 100 percent white people discussing, ostensibly, all manner of storylines about baseball. And a good number of the posters have vested interest in keeping it a place where they, as white people, feel comfortable. In these settings, I'm far less likely to engage in humor about issues of race.

If you're as serious as you claim to be about naming structural racism and how it influences a vast swath of white New England sports fans to consistently hold David Price to a double standard, you could refocus some of your artillery there. I might be slightly sensitive -- I love how quick some of you are to use my admission that I do anti-racism work professionally against me -- but in the grand scheme, I'm not the problem. A ton of the conversation about David Price in this thread has been more "violent" than me asking for clarification on someone suggesting why people don't shoot the subject in question near a tree. Especially given the context of this thread.
 
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