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I may be wrong, but I don't think Shaw's missed a game yet and could probably benefit from a few off days off at this point. I had suggested in yesterday's game thread that the off day today combined with Tuesday might be a good spot. You never want to see a guy hurt, but even if he misses an additional game or two, there could be a hidden benefit here. Get some rest, get healthy, look at some video and find your stroke Shore.
 

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Yeah, I'd be more worried if he had taken a ball off the hand, slid headfirst badly into a bag or a cleat or something, but I don't recall either happening to him recently.

And good timing. Day off, then give a second day by penciling in both Rutledge and Young against the LHP on Tuesday. Maybe even let Swihart catch Wright again, depending on how much swelling Hanigan's thumb developed after yesterday's HBP.

Hopefully, both Shaw and Holt can return fresh and ready to rake for the upcoming Toronto and Baltimore series.
 

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He is #27 in the majors with a .904 OPS. The guy is anything but struggling. Days off may help him, sure, but I'd call them prophylactic rather than corrective.
Stats like that are meaningless when discussing recent performance.

I keep thinking about normal people like us. We go through shitty periods at work, weeks where we don't feel well - but aren't sick enough to stay home...sleepless nights that translate into shitty days...aches and pains from the gym or skiing or tennis - and the last hing we need to do is perform on a high physical and mental plane.

I don't know how these guys do it 6 out of 7 days (never mind the red-eyes). I'm still amazed when players skip only 1 or 2 games and feel rejuvenated (it would take me a month). I think one of the most important functions of the coaching staff is to comprehend what a player feels like and intercede when ego, guilt and/or machismo end up with some players masking a downtime.

Shaw really looks like he needs a break this week.
 
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Stats like that are meaningless when discussing recent performance.

I keep thinking about normal people like us. We go through shitty periods at work, weeks where we don't feel well - but aren't sick enough to stay home...sleepless nights that translate into shitty days...aches and pains from the gym or skiing or tennis - and the last hing we need to do is perform on a high physical and mental plane.

I don't know how these guys do it 6 out of 7 days (never mind the red-eyes). I'm still amazed when players skip only 1 or 2 games and feel rejuvenated (it would take me a month). I think one of the most important functions of the coaching staff is to comprehend what a player feels like and intercede when ego, guilt and/or machismo end up with some players masking a downtime.

Shaw really looks like he needs a break this week.
Well, remove the psychanalysis from this, and it sounds not that different from the talk about JBJ in 2014, or Pedroia in 2006 to early 2007, or Ellsbury in 2008, or or or... for every example you have of a hitter where the narrative is "he's struggling, he's pressing, he needs a break", I can show you a parallel example where the narrative ended up being "he's close to breaking out, he's putting the pieces together, he needs to just stick with it and get some reps and power through a down period".

When physical aches and pains add up to the point where we can perceive it as (astute) viewers, it's almost always to a level where they're basically injured and are likely to need a DL stint. Anything shy of that - needing a day off, Eric Van style day-game-after-a-night-game psychoanalysis, something requiring fixing stance or approach - we seem to be doing no better than guessing, in my experience. So, yeah, perhaps what Shaw needs is a few days' rest. Maybe what he needs is more reps, and to keep his consistency up there. Maybe he's absolutely fine and just got wrong-footed by a few pitchers a few times. Maybe he needs to adjust some kink in his swing and needs a week off to practice that before putting it up against ML pitching. Maybe a dozen other things. I really don't think we're able to judge the difference from a game or two.

The one thing we do know is results. We know that over a plenty-large-enough sample size of his 43 games year-to-date, he has performed at an all-star level. Year-to-date: .904 OPS. Last 28 days? .933 OPS. Last 14 days? .985 OPS. He has had nearly as much success swinging the bat as the league leaders across baseball, so his success PA-to-PA, or night-to-night, seems to me more like nitpicking than anything approaching insightful analysis.

Not that that's the be-all-and-end-all. One of the things I love most about this site is other posters' subtle perceptions about a pitcher's delivery or a batter's swing, as they occasionally illustrate by posting comparative GIFs and whatnot. If someone here has spotted a kink in his swing or approach that wasn't visible a month ago, or evidence that the league is adjusting to him and he has failed to adjust back in the last week or so, I'd love nothing more than to read it. But I've been watching the same games you have, I haven't seen anything alarmingly negative in his PAs, and the stats really don't amount to anything negative either. So I'm having a hard time understanding why the worry.
 

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Well, remove the psychanalysis from this, and it sounds not that different from the talk about JBJ in 2014, or Pedroia in 2006 to early 2007, or Ellsbury in 2008, or or or... for every example you have of a hitter where the narrative is "he's struggling, he's pressing, he needs a break", I can show you a parallel example where the narrative ended up being "he's close to breaking out, he's putting the pieces together, he needs to just stick with it and get some reps and power through a down period".

When physical aches and pains add up to the point where we can perceive it as (astute) viewers, it's almost always to a level where they're basically injured and are likely to need a DL stint. Anything shy of that - needing a day off, Eric Van style day-game-after-a-night-game psychoanalysis, something requiring fixing stance or approach - we seem to be doing no better than guessing, in my experience. So, yeah, perhaps what Shaw needs is a few days' rest. Maybe what he needs is more reps, and to keep his consistency up there. Maybe he's absolutely fine and just got wrong-footed by a few pitchers a few times. Maybe he needs to adjust some kink in his swing and needs a week off to practice that before putting it up against ML pitching. Maybe a dozen other things. I really don't think we're able to judge the difference from a game or two.

The one thing we do know is results. We know that over a plenty-large-enough sample size of his 43 games year-to-date, he has performed at an all-star level. Year-to-date: .904 OPS. Last 28 days? .933 OPS. Last 14 days? .985 OPS. He has had nearly as much success swinging the bat as the league leaders across baseball, so his success PA-to-PA, or night-to-night, seems to me more like nitpicking than anything approaching insightful analysis.

Not that that's the be-all-and-end-all. One of the things I love most about this site is other posters' subtle perceptions about a pitcher's delivery or a batter's swing, as they occasionally illustrate by posting comparative GIFs and whatnot. If someone here has spotted a kink in his swing or approach that wasn't visible a month ago, or evidence that the league is adjusting to him and he has failed to adjust back in the last week or so, I'd love nothing more than to read it. But I've been watching the same games you have, I haven't seen anything alarmingly negative in his PAs, and the stats really don't amount to anything negative either. So I'm having a hard time understanding why the worry.
I really like Shaw and his approach. I only worry about his vulnerability to high pitches in and out of the zone. My sense: he should lay off and focus on all other zones he can clearly handle.
 

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Year-to-date: .904 OPS. Last 28 days? .933 OPS. Last 14 days? .985 OPS.

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But I've been watching the same games you have, I haven't seen anything alarmingly negative in his PAs, and the stats really don't amount to anything negative either. So I'm having a hard time understanding why the worry.
I am honestly surprised to see the last 14 day numbers look that good, because he had a string of brutal AB's over the weekend that was certainly coloring my perceptions. He badly missed some fastballs in the zone that looked crushable in real time. Thanks for the post; I love it when my perceptions are shattered by good news.


Edit: In his last 7, he's sporting a .200/.226/.367(.593) line, so some concern may still be warranted. Let's see how he responds to getting today off.
 
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Last 7 Games .200 avg .226 ob% .367 slg
Last 15 Games .288 avg .364 ob% .559 slg

IOW he had a bad week, but it came after a very good week (the 15 games include the 7 bad ones). So while it's possible he's heading into some sort of longer slump, it's not a conclusion we should jump to just yet.
 

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Well, remove the psychanalysis from this, and it sounds not that different from the talk about JBJ in 2014, or Pedroia in 2006 to early 2007, or Ellsbury in 2008, or or or... for every example you have of a hitter where the narrative is "he's struggling, he's pressing, he needs a break", I can show you a parallel example where the narrative ended up being "he's close to breaking out, he's putting the pieces together, he needs to just stick with it and get some reps and power through a down period".

When physical aches and pains add up to the point where we can perceive it as (astute) viewers, it's almost always to a level where they're basically injured and are likely to need a DL stint. Anything shy of that - needing a day off, Eric Van style day-game-after-a-night-game psychoanalysis, something requiring fixing stance or approach - we seem to be doing no better than guessing, in my experience. So, yeah, perhaps what Shaw needs is a few days' rest. Maybe what he needs is more reps, and to keep his consistency up there. Maybe he's absolutely fine and just got wrong-footed by a few pitchers a few times. Maybe he needs to adjust some kink in his swing and needs a week off to practice that before putting it up against ML pitching. Maybe a dozen other things. I really don't think we're able to judge the difference from a game or two.

The one thing we do know is results. We know that over a plenty-large-enough sample size of his 43 games year-to-date, he has performed at an all-star level. Year-to-date: .904 OPS. Last 28 days? .933 OPS. Last 14 days? .985 OPS. He has had nearly as much success swinging the bat as the league leaders across baseball, so his success PA-to-PA, or night-to-night, seems to me more like nitpicking than anything approaching insightful analysis.

Not that that's the be-all-and-end-all. One of the things I love most about this site is other posters' subtle perceptions about a pitcher's delivery or a batter's swing, as they occasionally illustrate by posting comparative GIFs and whatnot. If someone here has spotted a kink in his swing or approach that wasn't visible a month ago, or evidence that the league is adjusting to him and he has failed to adjust back in the last week or so, I'd love nothing more than to read it. But I've been watching the same games you have, I haven't seen anything alarmingly negative in his PAs, and the stats really don't amount to anything negative either. So I'm having a hard time understanding why the worry.
FWIW, Shaw left Fenway yesterday wearing a brace on his hand (precautionary) as the web between the thumb and forefinger has been bothering him. Just curious, how many more ABs is a large enough sample size for you to determine that Shaw needs a break because he's either wearing down, needs to get healthy or both? In real life, if you see anything that doesn't seem right do you check it out and make needed adjustments or do you wait for it to self correct? As for any specific kink...seems like he's having a Hell of a time getting the bat on the ball lately. I think he may have had 1 game off so far this season. Would you rather he took a few days now to heal up and have time to work on things if it's determined he needs to work on things or just keep playing him each day until you determine the sample size is big enough and there may be an issue?
 
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IOW he had a bad week, but it came after a very good week (the 15 games include the 7 bad ones). So while it's possible he's heading into some sort of longer slump, it's not a conclusion we should jump to just yet.
Shaw also had a 6 game stretch from May 3 to May 8 where he went 4-22 with 8 Ks and a 490 OPS. We are talking about a less than a week sample here. It's not like it hasn't happened before - this month! - and he bounced back just fine. His OPS decreased from 923 to 840 during that week, don't think I saw any posts suggesting he needed some time off but will have to go back upthread to check.

Edit: not a single post in this thread during that 6 game stretch in early May
 
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FWIW, Shaw left Fenway yesterday wearing a brace on his hand (precautionary) as the web between the thumb and forefinger has been bothering him. Just curious, how many more ABs is a large enough sample size for you to determine that Shaw needs a break because he's either wearing down, needs to get healthy or both? In real life, if you see anything that doesn't seem right do you check it out and make needed adjustments or do you wait for it to self correct? As for any specific kink...seems like he's having a Hell of a time getting the bat on the ball lately. I think he may have had 1 game off so far this season. Would you rather he took a few days now to heal up and have time to work on things if it's determined he needs to work on things or just keep playing him each day until you determine the sample size is big enough and there may be an issue?
Yeah, and the day before yesterday, he hit two doubles in 5 PAs en route to a 9-1 stomping.

Players get benched for more than an occasional rest day if they are (A) injured, (B) ineffective, or (C) replaced by bringing in someone who's likely better, either in the short or long term. Sandoval hit all 3, hence Shaw's current status and opportunity. Looking at Shaw though,

(A) if his hand is bothering him enough that he can't go or needs a day off, then great - I certainly have no info on that, we need him strong for the year, that's awesome.
(B) there is absolutely no evidence that he is ineffective. I covered the macro stuff above, but there's also the fact that he's already the replacement 3B, and the people behind him on the depth chart (Holt when healthy, Rutledge before then) are less than ideal, so there's a pretty low bar for him to clear to keep his job right now. A few rough days, or even weeks, are not going to cut it.
(C) maybe Sandoval comes back strong and wins an open competition next year, but otherwise I'd say the job is Shaw's to lose on present performance and trend

So what's my cutoff for (B)? This is all basic statistical inference. This is a good guide on stabilization rates for batting statistics (with some peer-review / replication here), and the deeper math is in links contained there. So if we saw a spike in Shaw's K rate, after about 70-100 PAs we might conclude that to be the "new normal" for him. A dip or increment in his BB rate, 120-170 PAs. HR rate, 140-170 PAs. Those are the points at which the correlation (R) between consecutive groups of like-sized PAs reaches 0.50 for that stat. But in all three cases, that's about 6-8 weeks' worth of data.

But also note that, as the article cautions, "in small sample sizes, a good scout is ALWAYS better than stats". So I wouldn't slavishly stick to my SSS cautions if we had observable evidence that something had changed with him, mechanically or mentally. But there's a key word in that quote - it requires a good scout. When I see analysis here backed up by GIFs or still images showing stance, or pitching delivery, or step placement, hips, bat position, hands on swings to certain parts of the plate, etc etc, I'll give that full credit as being an informed analysis. But what I'm reading about Shaw here amounts to "he had a few bad games" (even if he didn't, really), "...therefore he's wearing down / the league is catching up to him / he needs a break". And absent some good scouting, I just don't think the evidence is sufficient to support the conclusion.

Basically, I think he's likely fine. Farrell can give him a day off here and there in his judgment and no one could argue, but I'm not sure there's a driving need to do so. The guy is hitting well beyond his 95th-percentile projection - might as well let him continue tearing through the league.
 

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Well now in hindsight, this is looking worrisome. Since this post Shaw has posted an OPS of .498 He's obviously been struggling so I checked it out. May 22nd to last night. Still.... the big 5 are carrying the offense but Hanley, Shaw and the rest have turned into poop at the plate the last 3 weeks.
He didn't get that day off after all either; May 23rd was the day Hanley got drilled in the back foot and Shaw had to fill in (which I believe marked the beginning of Hanley's slump too). I think DOB said last night that Shaw's played in some capacity in something like 141 straight games now.

Injuries suck. We need Holt back to give these guys a break.
 

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He didn't get that day off after all either; May 23rd was the day Hanley got drilled in the back foot and Shaw had to fill in (which I believe marked the beginning of Hanley's slump too). I think DOB said last night that Shaw's played in some capacity in something like 141 straight games now.

Injuries suck. We need Holt back to give these guys a break.
What's the latest on Holt? It's been nearly a week since I've seen anything and it was the same "just taking it day by day" comment we've seen all along. Maybe I'm just overlooking it but the lack of updates concerns me some.
 

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The CBS story is slanted by Farrell's quote that he is hopeful Holt may start his rehab assignment soon. The article states Brock is taking medicine to help with dizziness and headaches but then the headline picks up that he could start his rehab assignment this week.

Well, pretty much every concussion protocol prohibits a return to the field unless the athlete is free of concussion symptoms. This would mean free of concussion symptoms and also not on medicine to supress symptoms. So I would predict that Holt is still a minimum of 2 weeks away from returning to the field. It potentially could be much longer. After the report of symptoms, I would not expect Holt back on the roster until after the AS break and this concussion has the potential to be season ending.
 

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The CBS story is slanted by Farrell's quote that he is hopeful Holt may start his rehab assignment soon. The article states Brock is taking medicine to help with dizziness and headaches but then the headline picks up that he could start his rehab assignment this week.

Well, pretty much every concussion protocol prohibits a return to the field unless the athlete is free of concussion symptoms. This would mean free of concussion symptoms and also not on medicine to supress symptoms. So I would predict that Holt is still a minimum of 2 weeks away from returning to the field. It potentially could be much longer. After the report of symptoms, I would not expect Holt back on the roster until after the AS break and this concussion has the potential to be season ending.
This is starting to remind me of the Brian Roberts situation. He missed considersable time as a result of his concussion and never really was the same player after he came back. Hopefully, Brock's situation turns out differently.
 

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Yeah, I'd rather take the Stephen Wright option and have him come back with newfound super powers.
 

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Shaw is working on getting out of his slump with Chili.

Shaw talks about struggling with the way pitchers are working him lately, and is hoping to adjust. Davis wants his hands higher before the pitch. Hopefully the adjustments will help.

He's now at 183/237/282 for a 519 OPS since he missed that game in late May with the wrist injury, whiffing 19 times in 76 PAs, with only 5 walks.

His season numbers dropped from 329/400/573 on May 17 to 268/333/455 now.
I would guess that his actual talent level is probably pretty close to his current season numbers. If he ended the year with an OPS near 800, we'd be pretty happy I would think. For him to end the year around there, he will need to keep his slumps from getting too long.

Shaw has been streaky in his career, including the minors, combining hot streaks where he crushes the ball with long stretches where he looks lost and inept. Luckily he was hot to start the season. If he had started out looking horrible he might have been benched and not gotten another chance for a long time.
 

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Don't look now, but Shaw is 6-for-16 with a couple of walks over the past five games, with a very nice swing tonight to hold onto a hitting streak in that span. Mostly singles, but it's possible he bottomed out against SF and is coming into some positive regression.
 

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Bumping this.
Since July 3nd in 10 games (which seems to coincide with him getting healthy again) he's been cranking a heavy slugging weighted .939 OPS with 3 HR's , 2B (with a .278 BABiP) and looking like good defense. OPS on the season just a tick below .800
His bounce back after a (an injury related, IMO) slump has me feeling pretty optimistic about him going forward for the long haul, not just a Middlebrooks surge type.
 

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Watching the games with a friend this weekend who mused about Shaw, "He's either Brian Daubach with useful defense, or Will Middlebrooks." Is the fact that he's a LHH who hits RHPs hard distinguish him from Middlebrooks?
 

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Shaw is better than Will Middlebrooks, simply because he can draw a walk. As for Daubach, him as a hitter with the ability to play passable defense at 3rd is a nice player when you have him for controllable years. Daubach was a .259/.341/.476 career hitter; Shaw so far is at .265/.326/.472, so not too far off.
 

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Shaw is better than Will Middlebrooks, simply because he can draw a walk. As for Daubach, him as a hitter with the ability to play passable defense at 3rd is a nice player when you have him for controllable years. Daubach was a .259/.341/.476 career hitter; Shaw so far is at .265/.326/.472, so not too far off.
Shaw has a career OPS+ of 109, Daubach 108.
 

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Shaw has a career OPS+ of 109, Daubach 108.
I'm surprised their slash lines are so close. I'd have thought Shaw fairly ahead of Daubach. Perhaps I'm weighting Shaw's performance higher due to the era.

Regarding OPS+, I also would have thought Shaw to be higher. Is OPS balanced versus the rest of the league on a daily basis? I would guess have Donaldson, Machado, Longoria, et al as peers would make things tougher.
 

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I'm surprised their slash lines are so close. I'd have thought Shaw fairly ahead of Daubach. Perhaps I'm weighting Shaw's performance higher due to the era.

Regarding OPS+, I also would have thought Shaw to be higher. Is OPS balanced versus the rest of the league on a daily basis? I would guess have Donaldson, Machado, Longoria, et al as peers would make things tougher.
It's not position based at all, his peers wouldn't matter. It's adjusted to park and league average as a whole.
 

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Since the AS Break Shaw is 263 / 429 for a 692 OPS.

Moncada played 3B last night. I figure Shaw has until September 1st to adjust to what teams are doing to him, particularly in the OBP part of OPS, if he's going to keep his job in September.
 

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Moncada might need to do something about that 29.8% strikeout rate before he'll get serious consideration as a starter at the major league level. That's not to say I think he won't. But he has work to do between now and then if he's going to depose Travis Shaw that soon.
 

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Since the AS Break Shaw is 263 / 429 for a 692 OPS.

Moncada played 3B last night. I figure Shaw has until September 1st to adjust to what teams are doing to him, particularly in the OBP part of OPS, if he's going to keep his job in September.
I think Speier had mentioned a AAA promotion was near right before he missed close to a week. The 3b timeline may have been bumped up a few days otherwise.
 

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IMO, Shaw is a huge piece of the Sox's short-term (1-2 years) future because of the ? at first base.

Hanley is a pleasant surprise at first, but still a defensive liability. His misplays at first have cost the Sox at least 2 wins this year. He's headed to DH next year, or should be, instead of the Sox paying big bucks for a FA like Encanarcion.

The top 1B free agent is Brandon Moss.

Shaw is much better defensively than Hanley at 1B (and much better at 1B than 3B) so if there's a spot to be filled next year it's third. Moncada is headed there sooner or later, but maybe not soon enough. That's where the Sox need a short-term fill-in. Hill/Holt can hold that spot down for a half a season, if necessary.

Hanley filling -- or even trying to fill -- Big Papi's impossibly large shoes is an oddly pleasing prospect to me. It's a prodigal son story, I suppose.
 

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They have Sam Travis and Pablo Sandoval still too. I'd guess you won't see Moncada until sometime next year, and probably not at the beginning of the season. I don't know if Travis will be able to play winter ball or w/e, he'll need time to get back into form and may not be part of the solution anyway.
 

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Calling up Moncada 1 September is ridiculous. Bank him on 31 August so he's eligible for the post season in case he pulls a Bogaerts (Shaw pulls a Middlebrooks).
 

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Calling up Moncada 1 September is ridiculous. Bank him on 31 August so he's eligible for the post season in case he pulls a Bogaerts (Shaw pulls a Middlebrooks).
Due to the happy fact we have two or three guys on the 60 day DL, they just have to be in the organization as of Sept. 1st. to be replacements for the DLed guys.

In other words Moncada easily qualifies.
 

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They have Sam Travis and Pablo Sandoval still too. I'd guess you won't see Moncada until sometime next year, and probably not at the beginning of the season. I don't know if Travis will be able to play winter ball or w/e, he'll need time to get back into form and may not be part of the solution anyway.
I forgot about Sandoval. Not really. I just want to forget about him.
 

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Due to the happy fact we have two or three guys on the 60 day DL, they just have to be in the organization as of Sept. 1st. to be replacements for the DLed guys.

In other words Moncada easily qualifies.
Thanks.

I need a lawyer to explain this to me in my native tongue:

"(3) Replacements for Injured Players Before a Series. ...a Club may name a player in its organization to a roster for such series in order to replace an injured Major League player...

...(B) the injured Major League player is unable to render service in such series because of a specific injury or ailment;

(C) the injured Major League player’s Club has submitted written proof of the player’s disability...

{The Replacement must...}

...(E) have been on a Minor League Active...List of such Major League Club as of Midnight Eastern Time on August 31, or on such date be designated for assignment or under control, but not yet reported, on assignment from another Major League organization;

(F) have remained reserved to such Major League Club (at the Major or Minor League levels) through the time of replacement; and

(G) be placed on the Club’s Major League Reserve List."
 

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Thanks.

I need a lawyer to explain this to me in my native tongue:

"(3) Replacements for Injured Players Before a Series. ...a Club may name a player in its organization to a roster for such series in order to replace an injured Major League player...

...(B) the injured Major League player is unable to render service in such series because of a specific injury or ailment;

(C) the injured Major League player’s Club has submitted written proof of the player’s disability...

{The Replacement must...}

...(E) have been on a Minor League Active...List of such Major League Club as of Midnight Eastern Time on August 31, or on such date be designated for assignment or under control, but not yet reported, on assignment from another Major League organization;

(F) have remained reserved to such Major League Club (at the Major or Minor League levels) through the time of replacement; and

(G) be placed on the Club’s Major League Reserve List."
If you have an injured major league player--the Sox currently have five on the 60 day dl--then you can replace the injured player with anyone who a) was in the organization as of midnight 8/31 and b) didn't go to another organization and come back

With Sandoval, Swihart, Smith, Workman, and that infielder whose name I can't remember all on the 60 day DL, the Sox can take any five players in the organization and add them to the playoff roster. All they need is space on the 40 man.

They could add Moncada, Devers, Dubon, and Kopech if they wanted.

We'll likely have a five man bench with a catcher, Holt, Young, Hill, and Moncada if Moncada does well enough.
 

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Slumping Travis Shaw troubled by diminished role

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FanSinceBoggs

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That link didn't take me to the article; this one did:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/08/19/soxnotes/ER2DJ48D4fzDW1KEl4CpSJ/story.html

Shaw seems a little spoiled to me--he was born into a baseball family and has had a pretty nice (and easy) life.

I see Shaw as a trade candidate in the off-season. He doesn't hit well enough to start at 1b--trade him to a team looking for a third baseman. Third base is pretty crowded next year with Sandoval returning and Moncada waiting in the wings.
 

BestGameEvah

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That link didn't take me to the article; this one did:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2016/08/19/soxnotes/ER2DJ48D4fzDW1KEl4CpSJ/story.html

Shaw seems a little spoiled to me--he was born into a baseball family and has had a pretty nice (and easy) life.

I see Shaw as a trade candidate in the off-season. He doesn't hit well enough to start at 1b--trade him to a team looking for a third baseman. Third base is pretty crowded next year with Sandoval returning and Moncada waiting in the wings.
That's funny, I can see the article with my link, but Thank You, maybe others cannot. I'll delete mine above. I have noticed a change in Shaw's attitude since he's cooled down. Don't like him chirping in the news.
 

InsideTheParker

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I read the article and don't see him as chirping or spoiled. He makes the perhaps unforgiveable error of answering questions truthfully. He spoke the way he feels. Now, you don't like that, but I do.
 

bradmahn

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He's speaking the way he feels, sure, but when he's equating playing 8-of-12 games to playing 2 or 3 times a week, his feelings simply are not grounded in reality.

The bigger concern would appear to be the disconnect between the coaching staff and Shaw on whether or not this is just a slump or that the book has grown on him.
 

BestGameEvah

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I read the article and don't see him as chirping or spoiled. He makes the perhaps unforgiveable error of answering questions truthfully. He spoke the way he feels. Now, you don't like that, but I do.
You 'say how you feel' to your wife, parents or close teammates. You don't say in a media interview that you're not happy with playing time , and in so doing you disparage the Hill signing and perhaps the opportunity Holt is getting at third. Yes, it's chirping, and frowned upon by all mlb teams. Hill starting tonight.
 

Al Zarilla

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I read the article and don't see him as chirping or spoiled. He makes the perhaps unforgiveable error of answering questions truthfully. He spoke the way he feels. Now, you don't like that, but I do.
“I was told [the trade for Hill] wasn’t going to change much. But obviously it did. We’re in a pennant race and it’s different than where we were last year. We can’t just throw guys out there. I understand that every game is a must-win and the situation is different.

“But there have been some times I’ve been a little confused about certain days when I’m not playing just because of what I was told. I just try and take advantage of each opportunity I get.”

The "I was told the trade, " etc. is kind of whiny. Shaw is hitting below .200, with an OBP less than .300 against lefties. Why shouldn't they look for a platoon partner? Shaw still gets the strong side of it.

And what does he mean by "We can't just throw guys out there." Is he saying some guys on the team don't deserve to play?

This part is also kind of whiny:

"“But there have been some times I’ve been a little confused about certain days when I’m not playing just because of what I was told..."

I wouldn't doubt if he's whined himself into being traded.