So, uh, Brady... IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME NOT EVEN CLOSE SCREW YOU MONTANA

[FL4WL3SS]

Is it time to start talking about how bad Brady has been?

There are a few things working against him this season. Namely, the offensive line and the wide receivers, but we've seen Tom do more with less. Brady would have loved to have a guy like Gronk in 06.

Brady seemingly has gotten old quick. Is this the beginning of the end?

 

[Jinhocho]

Is it time to start talking about how bad Brady has been?

There are a few things working against him this season. Namely, the offensive line and the wide receivers, but we've seen Tom do more with less. Brady would have loved to have a guy like Gronk in 06.

Brady seemingly has gotten old quick. Is this the beginning of the end?

 
I would argue McDaniel and his playcalling have a lot to do with the teams struggles.  He is making me yearn for the days of Charlie Weis.

 

[The Long Tater]

Yes.  The topic is ripe.
 
Consider the question this way:  what is he doing paticularly well at this point?

 

[Darnell's Son]

Yes.  The topic is ripe.
 
Consider the question this way:  what is he doing paticularly well at this point?

He's handsome as fuck.
 
JG isn't bad looking though.

 

[Devizier]

Too soon to say, but it might not be a coincidence that his latest round of Uggs commercials features Brady at the golf course.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

They appear to run block better with Garoppolo.  

 

[Cellar-Door]

 
I would argue McDaniel and his playcalling have a lot to do with the teams struggles.  He is making me yearn for the days of Charlie Weis.

Has McDaniels' play calling been significantly different from what he did every other year of his career? It hasn't seemed that way to me.

 

[BannedbyNYYFans.com]

And pass block.  

 

[FL4WL3SS]

Jesus and the offense looks immediately better once JG comes in.

 

[Darnell's Son]

And pass block.  

And score.

 

[Darnell's Son]

Seriously though, what kind of package would the Texans give up for Brady? We all know Belichick is a cold hearted bastard.

 

[Mooch]

Brady just seems to be rushing everything. One read and chucks it.

 

[Stitch01]

Is it time to start talking about how bad Brady has been?
There are a few things working against him this season. Namely, the offensive line and the wide receivers, but we've seen Tom do more with less. Brady would have loved to have a guy like Gronk in 06.
Brady seemingly has gotten old quick. Is this the beginning of the end?

He's not 27 anymore. In 2006 he was one of the all time greats. Not fair to expect him to carry garbage at 37.

That said he's sucked

 

[j44thor]

Jesus and the offense looks immediately better once JG comes in.

 
That could have a lot to do with KC largely giving up.  Don't think KC is playing with the same intensity they did in the first half.

 

[Paradigm]

A young Brady once took over from Drew Bledsoe.

 

[Super Nomario]

Seriously though, what kind of package would the Texans give up for Brady? We all know Belichick is a cold hearted bastard.

I don't think they want $18 MM in dead money on the 2015 cap.

 

[Mooch]

I think if Brady really has lost it in a hurry, a la Dan Marino in 1999, he would hang em up at the end of the season.

 

[j44thor]

I'd love to see what an average QB could do with this team.  My guess is this offense as currently constituted is a lot closer to JAX than DEN regardless of who is at QB.  When your only outside threat is Brandon LaFell that should tell you something.

 

[Darnell's Son]

I don't think they want $18 MM in dead money on the 2015 cap.

So don't explore it at all? Just watch a carcass dry out or hope he finds the fountain of youth?

 

[Shelterdog]

I'd love to see what an average QB could do with this team.  My guess is this offense as currently constituted is a lot closer to JAX than DEN regardless of who is at QB.  When your only outside threat is Brandon LaFell that should tell you something.

We'd be better with an average QB.

 

[Van Everyman]

Fuck you people.  Brady is going to make you all rue the day you posted in this thread.  
 
Then, he's going to steal your women.

 

[Darnell's Son]

Fuck you people.  Brady is going to make you all rue the day you posted in this thread.  
 
Then, he's going to steal your women.

Joke's on him, he can't steal what we don't have!

 

[riboflav]

Is this the game ball thread?

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Is this the game ball thread?

 
No.

 

[caesarbear]

Brady will go on to make the #1 wine from Walla Walla.

 

[j44thor]

We'd be better with an average QB.

 
Or would Brady be better with an average offense?  Chicken and Egg

 

[Darnell's Son]

 
Or would Brady be better with an average offense?  Chicken and Egg

I'm not sure what you're watching. Brady has done more with less to work with. I hope he and McD can figure this out, but I have my doubts.

 

[Tony C]

He's handsome as fuck.
 
JG isn't bad looking though.

 
No kidding -- they looked great in defeat tonight, photogenic pair.
 

Brady just seems to be rushing everything. One read and chucks it.

 
And this seems it. The protection had some breakdowns, but overall was improved and plenty of plays where he had time but just went to his first read whether open or not -- never went through his progressions. Maybe shellshocked? I agree that Jimmy G was playing against a defense that didn't particularly care anymore, so don't take that drive seriously, but no getting around Brady having been mediocre all year and downright bad tonight.

 

[MainerInExile]

I'm not a sky is falling guy. I normally roll my eyes when people see the worst. Yet tonight, for the first time, I thought I might be witnessing Brady's end.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

A line as bad as ours desperately needs a more mobile QB.

 

[Tony C]

I'm not sure what you're watching. Brady has done more with less to work with. I hope he and McD can figure this out, but I have my doubts.

 
Yeah, I'm not on a bash Brady kick, but there's no getting around that he was poor this evening. Compare him to the immortal Alex Smith working behind a crappy OL and with lousy receivers, yet able to take what the Pats gave him. Outplayed by Alex Smith (who, granted, had a great running game) is damning.
 
Dang that sucked.

 

[cornwalls@6]

There really ought to be a mandatory 24 hour cooling off period before starting threads like this. I love the off-handed " yeah, his o-line sucks, and his receivers are completely pedestrian and scare no one, but still..............."    narrative that is surrounding this topic, here and elsewhere. As though those two things aren't huge mitigating factors in any analysis of his performance.  Put another way: does anyone here really think that if you plugged him into a offense like Denver's, with a those kind of weapons, and at least just a decent offense line, he wouldn't put up big numbers?   
 
 
 
Edit: Don't mean to come off too snarky, but on the list of things wrong with this football team, I really believe the quarterback is way down there.     

 

[twibnotes]

 
Yeah, I'm not on a bash Brady kick, but there's no getting around that he was poor this evening. Compare him to the immortal Alex Smith working behind a crappy OL and with lousy receivers, yet able to take what the Pats gave him. Outplayed by Alex Smith (who, granted, had a great running game) is damning.
 
Dang that sucked.

Alex Smith was barely touched and has better weapons to boot.

 

[Dan to Theo to Ben]

Alex Smith was barely touched and has better weapons to boot.

Exactly. Vereen is good as a receiver but Charles is much better, especially considering in keeping the D honest. And Bowe, we have no one in the same stratosphere.

 

[twibnotes]

Exactly. Vereen is good as a receiver but Charles is much better, especially considering in keeping the D honest. And Bowe, we have no one in the same stratosphere.

Not to mention, Kelce looked like the Gronk of old

 

[Scriblerus]

He has to be frustrated by the OL and receiving corps.  It's one thing when he was in his 20s, making a name for himself and really, at the start, with not much to lose to go out there and roll with the punches.  His middle years were marked with some pretty great offensive targets.  He made it look easy, in part because he had talent around him and he felt comfortable in the pocket.  Now, he's older, he's established as one of the greats, and he's on an offense with an OL that is not protecting him and receivers that he doesn't trust.  I believe that he still has the desire to win, but I think it's fair to question his patience with this offense.  
 
At some level, I think it's human nature for a guy in his position to think "do they really expect me to do this again?"  The argument that he has done more with less in the past is flawed because in the past he was a different player.  As players get older, it becomes more important to give them complimentary players, much like Denver has with Manning.

 

[bibajesus]

You guys remember how during training camp we kept hearing about how awesome the secondary and rest of defense looked against Brady? We got so excited about how awesome Revis and company were going to be. After the first 4 games, maybe we were focusing on the wrong side of the ball.

 

[Stitch01]

Alex Smith has open receivers, better protection, and running backs and TEs that miss tackles

 

[Darnell's Son]

There really ought to be a mandatory 24 hour cooling off period before starting threads like this. I love the off-handed " yeah, his o-line sucks, and his receivers are completely pedestrian and scare no one, but still..............."    narrative that is surrounding this topic, here and elsewhere. As though those two things aren't huge mitigating factors in any analysis of his performance.  Put another way: does anyone here really think that if you plugged him into a offense like Denver's, with a those kind of weapons, and at least just a decent offense line, he wouldn't put up big numbers?   
 
 
 
Edit: Don't mean to come off too snarky, but on the list of things wrong with this football team, I really believe the quarterback is way down there.     

He's still on the list, and this thread was started a quarter way through the season, and arguably the easiest quarter. I see nothing wrong with discussing Brady's play. 

 

[MainerInExile]

I get that the OL and WR are not all they could be. But when TB is throwing into double and triple coverage, he loses the right to whine about those things.

 

[twibnotes]

He has to be frustrated by the OL and receiving corps.  It's one thing when he was in his 20s, making a name for himself and really, at the start, with not much to lose to go out there and roll with the punches.  His middle years were marked with some pretty great offensive targets.  He made it look easy, in part because he had talent around him and he felt comfortable in the pocket.  Now, he's older, he's established as one of the greats, and he's on an offense with an OL that is not protecting him and receivers that he doesn't trust.  I believe that he still has the desire to win, but I think it's fair to question his patience with this offense.  
 
At some level, I think it's human nature for a guy in his position to think "do they really expect me to do this again?"  The argument that he has done more with less in the past is flawed because in the past he was a different player.  As players get older, it becomes more important to give them complimentary players, much like Denver has with Manning.

Agree. And what makes TB a bit different than Manning is that he has taken some team friendly deals to help the team be better. To see the surrounding cast get pretty lousy in his latter years has to be hard for #12 to swallow.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

There really ought to be a mandatory 24 hour cooling off period before starting threads like this. I love the off-handed " yeah, his o-line sucks, and his receivers are completely pedestrian and scare no one, but still..............."    narrative that is surrounding this topic, here and elsewhere. As though those two things aren't huge mitigating factors in any analysis of his performance.  Put another way: does anyone here really think that if you plugged him into a offense like Denver's, with a those kind of weapons, and at least just a decent offense line, he wouldn't put up big numbers?   
 
 
 
Edit: Don't mean to come off too snarky, but on the list of things wrong with this football team, I really believe the quarterback is way down there.     

Brady looks terrible after 4 games and is 37. It's worth asking the question. It's not as though he's making all the throws and the receivers are letting him down.

It's a combination of terrible play everywhere and the QB is part of that.

 

[twibnotes]

I get that the OL and WR are not all they could be. But when TB is throwing into double and triple coverage, he loses the right to whine about those things.

When has Brady whined about the line or receivers?

 

[Stitch01]

Maybe worth a separate thread, but McDaniels and the offensive game plans have been a fucking disaster this year. I think he got a bum rap in past seasons, but ( and I enjoy the site so I mean this respectfully) amateur film watchers at football central figured out the need to run on light in the box KC packages. Gruden figured it out real time in game. They ran a ton of snaps out of the shotgun to get that light package on the field. They had decent success on early downs. Whhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyy were they throwing the ball or running pitches on third downs?

Not to mention punting on those two fourth downs which basically said we aren't here to try and compete and win a game tonight.

 

[Marciano490]

Nothing bothered me more tonight than his failure to run 3 yards and slide for an easy first down when we were in KC territory and the game was still within reach.

 

[j44thor]

I get that the OL and WR are not all they could be. But when TB is throwing into double and triple coverage, he loses the right to whine about those things.

 
He was forcing the issue when the game got out of hand.  Not defensible but also something almost all QB's do in a similar situation.
 
This is a bottom 5 OL and WR corps as currently constituted.  JAX may be the only team with a worse OL and WR corps.  Brady has shown the ability to succeed with terrible WR so long as he has a good OL and a decent running game.

 

[Darnell's Son]

When has Brady whined about the line or receivers?

He hasn't, but I think Mainer was aiming at the apologists.

 

[Shelterdog]

Alex Smith has open receivers, better protection, and running backs and TEs that miss tackles

Are KCs receivers open because of talent or because their play-calling and QB adjustments are good and ours are just predictable?

 

[Darnell's Son]

Nothing bothered me more tonight than his failure to run 3 yards and slide for an easy first down when we were in KC territory and the game was still within reach.

I was listening on the radio and Zo said that there was a linebacker waiting for him to do that and he would have gotten waxed had he attempted to run.
 
Edit to add: Zo initially agreed with your assessment, then when he saw the replay spotted the LB.

 

[j44thor]

Nothing bothered me more tonight than his failure to run 3 yards and slide for an easy first down when we were in KC territory and the game was still within reach.

 
Well the slide would have negated at least a couple of the yards so I doubt he makes the first down if he slides.  #90 was sizing him up and Brady doesn't have a lot of agility.