So, uh, Brady... IS THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME NOT EVEN CLOSE SCREW YOU MONTANA
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Some fun with #12's W-L records:
Tom Brady at home: 88-14 (86%)
Tom Brady at Denver: 2-5 (28%)
Tom Brady at Miami: 6-7 (46%)
Tom Brady on the road, against teams not named Miami or Denver: 60-21 (74%)
At least in Denver, there's an environmental explanation for why he's struggled there. But Miami is really the only other team that has his number - and only in Florida. At home, Tom is 11-1 vs Miami, and the 1 loss was in week 17 in 2005, when he came out after the first quarter with most of the starters.
Game logs:
Tom Brady at home: 88-14 (86%)
Tom Brady at Denver: 2-5 (28%)
Tom Brady at Miami: 6-7 (46%)
Tom Brady on the road, against teams not named Miami or Denver: 60-21 (74%)
At least in Denver, there's an environmental explanation for why he's struggled there. But Miami is really the only other team that has his number - and only in Florida. At home, Tom is 11-1 vs Miami, and the 1 loss was in week 17 in 2005, when he came out after the first quarter with most of the starters.
Game logs:
@ MIA:
2001: L, 10-30
2002: L, 13-26
2003: W, 19-13
2004: L, 28-29 (the "pass from his ass")
2005: W, 23-16
2006: L, 0-21
2007: W, 49-28
2009: L, 21-22
2010: W, 41-14
2011: W, 38-24
2012: W, 23-16
2013: L, 20-24
2014: L, 20-33
vs/@ DEN:
2001 A: L, 20-31
2002 H: L, 16-24
2003 A: W, 30-26 (the intentional-safety game)
2005 A: L, 20-28
2005 A: L, 13-27 (DIV playoff)
2006 H: L, 7-17
2009 A: L, 17-20
2011 A: W, 41-23
2011 H: W, 45-10 (DIV playoff)
2012 H: W, 31-21
2013 H: W, 34-31
2013 A: L, 16-26 (AFCCG)
2014 H: W, 43-21
2001: L, 10-30
2002: L, 13-26
2003: W, 19-13
2004: L, 28-29 (the "pass from his ass")
2005: W, 23-16
2006: L, 0-21
2007: W, 49-28
2009: L, 21-22
2010: W, 41-14
2011: W, 38-24
2012: W, 23-16
2013: L, 20-24
2014: L, 20-33
vs/@ DEN:
2001 A: L, 20-31
2002 H: L, 16-24
2003 A: W, 30-26 (the intentional-safety game)
2005 A: L, 20-28
2005 A: L, 13-27 (DIV playoff)
2006 H: L, 7-17
2009 A: L, 17-20
2011 A: W, 41-23
2011 H: W, 45-10 (DIV playoff)
2012 H: W, 31-21
2013 H: W, 34-31
2013 A: L, 16-26 (AFCCG)
2014 H: W, 43-21
I would argue that, at least some of the time (if not often), there were environmental reasons for losses in Miami. (Also, there were Jason Taylor reasons.)
The Mort Report said:
I was too busy howling at my Dane Cook and Lenny Clarke stand up comedy videos to see this absolute comedy gem. That's why.
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I missed this last week, but Tom Brady was mic'd up during the Broncos game, and a couple of the moments are awesome.
Edelman's slow, dawning realization that Brady sprinted the length of the field to congratulate him in the endzone after the punt runback was probably the best one, but there are more.
Edelman's slow, dawning realization that Brady sprinted the length of the field to congratulate him in the endzone after the punt runback was probably the best one, but there are more.
You know Boston gets to claim Louis CK and Steven Wright, right? Burr is great, but he's on the next plane after those 2 with Leary (who was great in his prime), Gould, Birbiglia, and such, IMO.GeorgeCostanza said:
SumnerH said:
Leary was great in his prime because he was "borrowing" heavily from Bill Hicks. Once Hicks died Leary had only his own material.
SumnerH said:
Bill Burr in my opinion is the funniest comic working right now, even if he drinks out of the MRA well a little too often for my tastes. Louis seems to have transcended comedy to become a voice for commentary on the human experience (especially on his show Louie), which I find awesome but not necessarily as funny as his earlier material.
Anyway, back to Brady.
rodderick said:
So in terms of top five New England QB's or comics, it's:
1. Loius CK
2. Bill Burr
3. Birbiglia
4. Jonas Gray
5. Tom Brady
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Birbiglia is talented, but totally insufferable. In light of his prep school/Ivy League education, his whole loveable loser shtick strikes me as smug and totally insincere. And his movie sucked.
The movie sucked, which is a real shame because I've listened to a live version of it (the live show predates the movie) and it's much funnier. Way better delivery, etc etc.Devizier said:
But seriously, you think Brady or Gray are funnier than him?
In hindsight the throw was a bad decision because it was intercepted but he wasn't trying to thread the needle into double coverage. It was just a horribly underthrown pass to a wide open receiver. Granted, doing a pirouette before attempting the throw adds a couple levels of difficuty but if he puts a little more juice on that throw this thread would be talking about what a genius he was improvising on a broken play. He knew he had a guy open behind the defense and threw it right at him - just 6 feet too short.
If my memory serves me, didn't one of the lineman on the left side stumble after the snal allowing his man to blow by causing the pressure?
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m0ckduck said:
I have this weird theory that Brady's horrible touch passes had something to do with watching the young phenom on the other team. Luck threw a few incredible tear drop passes early in the game that made me think, "Wow, this guy really is something special" -- and next thing I knew Brady was trying them too (with much worse results). Probably crazy but it seemed like a sort of competitive/jealous reaction. It has to be weird to go out onto the field knowing you're one of the greatest of all time, but find yourself up against the one guy (entering his prime) who is closest to eclipsing you.
No offense, but your "weird theory" sounds pretty absurd. If there is one thing we know about Tom Brady, its that he is ridiculously, singlemindedly focused on winning football games. I doubt he's even watching Andrew Luck very carefully when he's on the sidelines, much less getting jealous about his touch passes and concocting plans to one up him in ways that might undermine the team's chances of winning.PedraMartina said:
Gray's TD runs were from the 4, 2, 2 and 1 yard line, correct? If Brady really wanted to show up Luck, I think walking out of there with a 6 TD night would've been a better 'know your place' performance than a couple purty passes.
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Luck would have to do what he's doing this season for about 10 more years and win a couple of Super Bowls along the way to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Brady. If Tom Brady felt jealous and threatened by Andrew Luck he's probably the most insecure person on planet Earth.
Is there any way we could get the success rate or Run/pass percentage of audibled plays? I think this is the kind of stat that could highlight the different styles of QBs, and separate those more interested with personal stats than with team success.
I've always being under the impression that Manning would be more likely to audible into a pass, trusting more in himself than the running game, while Brady would be more likely to keep with whatever is working. But it's just an impression, I can't know for sure.
I've always being under the impression that Manning would be more likely to audible into a pass, trusting more in himself than the running game, while Brady would be more likely to keep with whatever is working. But it's just an impression, I can't know for sure.
So, uh, Brady. . .
His response to a crappy first half - now that is the kind of resilient guy I want under center for my team. He had a lackluster first half (and they were still winning going into the locker room). It happens. How did he respond? By coming back nails in the second half and directing the team to a curb-stomping of a good opponent on the road. I loved the look on his face when he came back - he was pissed, seeming to genuinely enjoy the Gray touchdowns as imposing their will on Indy. Not looking past Detroit, but I can't wait 'till the head to head with Rogers.
His response to a crappy first half - now that is the kind of resilient guy I want under center for my team. He had a lackluster first half (and they were still winning going into the locker room). It happens. How did he respond? By coming back nails in the second half and directing the team to a curb-stomping of a good opponent on the road. I loved the look on his face when he came back - he was pissed, seeming to genuinely enjoy the Gray touchdowns as imposing their will on Indy. Not looking past Detroit, but I can't wait 'till the head to head with Rogers.
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TMQ put it well. The possession results for the Pats in the 2nd half were: Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, kneel to end game. The Colts had to start that 2nd half with a ~10 point lead to have a shot in the game, not a 4-pt deficit that should've been 11.
Devizier said:
Magary is an amusing writer. He admits to loathing the Pats but always has respected the shit out of them. Plus, he's really shitting on Simmons here, because he's making the very common mistake that Simmons still represents the vast majority of Boston sports fans' attitudes, which we've discussed here ad nauseum as being not remotely true.
soxfan121 said:
I can't decide why I want to punch Simmons in the face more. Because he gives all Boston sports fans a bad name or because I'm the father of two girls.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
I don't know about that. Reading the threads around here from earlier in the season, leads me to believe that a pretty significant portion of the posters (and Pats fans in general) are no different than Simmons. I'm not talking about folks questioning whether Brady was still the same guy he used to be, but rather, folks flat out saying that Brady was all done and categorically sucked. Yeah, I know all about the whole "heat of the moment" aspect to game threads that supposedly "excuse" people from the stupid shit they write (a view I have never shared, especially when they go on and on for multiple games over weeks and weeks spewing the same shit and then try to hide behind the "it's game thread venting" nonsense when things inevitably turn around), but IMO, it went far beyond that and was a sentiment that a lot of folks truly believed.
Eh, I like Simmons and I liked his article about birth order and Brady. Simmons basically explored the difference between the two QBs' systems: Brady/Belichick's team first mentality where they spread the ball around and put stats far below team success, vs Manning's command-and-control system where he, not the OC, runs the offense and tells everyone what to do, down to the details of celebrations.MainerInExile said:
I thought it was a fun article with likely a grain of truth. But only a grain.
(Many many sociology studies show that birth order and siblings do matter for adult personality and for things like income and career choice. The precise effects on individuals of course are nearly impossible to determine.)
Since Brady didn't have the luxury of a Jonas Gray yesterday, I wonder if Chris Simms will re-evaluate.
Probably not, Luck doesn't have the luxury of a Blount either.
Probably not, Luck doesn't have the luxury of a Blount either.
Great article on Brady and how he takes care of himself... hopefully he does play forever. Because that would be sweet. http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/12/10/tom-brady-new-england-patriots-age-fitness
Crap, Brady must be getting old (which means I am too). Once these kind of article appear the end is near. :gonk:bougrj1 said:
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bougrj1 said:
I enjoyed this bit (note that it's a 4-page article, which wasn't obvious because of how bad the web design on SI is):
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He's competitive, but to state it that plainly diminishes the level of obsession he has to win. Like in 2005, when a vicious hit to his left shin in Week 14 against the Bills left Brady unable to walk. He played the next week, against the Buccaneers, and suffered a sports hernia that left his testicles at least three times their normal size. He played four more games, including the playoffs, with a bad shin and awful swelling down below. His backup at the time, Matt Cassel, tells this story, setting up the easiest of punch lines. "So, yeah," he says, "Tom Brady has big balls."
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Didn't know he was that injured. Maybe it was affecting his performance in that Denver divisional game that broke his air of invulnerability in the playoffs.
Import78 said:
That's the last impression I got from the article. Although it's a big ad for Brady's future business(es), everything in that article tells me Garopollo will be Mallett 2.0.
This is really the biggest luxury that the super rich have that I wish I could afford - being able to hire top-notch nutrition and training coaches. I think I do a pretty good job learning about these kinds of methods and (sometimes) practicing them myself, but it would be nice to have someone always thinking of cool new wrinkles to apply to your diet and workouts.
MMQB adds on a little to the Brady article, interviewing some of his teammates: http://mmqb.si.com/2014/12/12/tom-brady-off-field-former-teammates/
Hoyer's stuff is my favorite:
Hoyer's stuff is my favorite:
The bolded cracked me up. I can't help but notice that they took a new center (Stork) when drafting Garoppolo this year.
Gronk credits TB for changing the momentum of the game with his 17 yard run. In all the years I've never seen Brady so determined to get 1st downs by running for'em.
SeoulSoxFan said:
It was like Elway in the Super Bowl against Green Bay. The leader wants it, everyone else sees that and steps up. There might be something to that.
I really want this team to win it all. It's a likeable and talented team. And Brady needs one for the pinky.
I don't want Tom running. It shouldn't be necessary and it's dangerous. It was a valiant thing to do but if you must do it ...please slide.
Ed Hillel said:
Meh is right. It was a big first down and by the player's admission, it fired up the team and helped bring about a dominating 2nd half.(causation is not correlation but I'm going with it)
It's football, a guy can run sometimes. Nobody is saying he should do it every game. But I'm ok with once a season.
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