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Fury was going a good job holding his right high in the first couple rounds, but now he’s wide open
 

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Fury seems to have found something there. Usyk either needs to tire him out or do more inside work
 

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This a great fight.

Usyk's demeanor has changed but i dont think fury is as tired as fight 1. I feel like he has a few counters in the chamber.
 

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Yeah Fury needs to rally again. Usyk starting to walk him down. Fury should hook off his 1-2.
 

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Damn!! That was an easy Fury round until the end. Judges swayed by end of round. I still give it to Fury. 5-4 but could easily be 6-3
 

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Tough round to score but I’m gonna call it 5-5. There was a huge sequence with about 1:10 left where Fury had Usyk against the ropes and was about to unload but Usyk snuck in a counterpunch that discourage fury and he backed out.
 

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Tough round to score but I’m gonna call it 5-5. There was a huge sequence with about 1:10 left where Fury had Usyk against the ropes and was about to unload but Usyk snuck in a counterpunch that discourage fury and he backed out.
9 and 10 were close for sure. 11 to Usyk. I have 7-4 but could be 6-5 Usyk
 

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What a fight. What were there like 6 clinches? Gave the last round to Fury so I guess a draw but that doesn’t make sense.
 

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Hats off to fury. He fought his ass off.

But usyk is another level. I may have to move manny and floyd over as the baddest mf'ers ive seen
 

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Just thinking about this. What a performance. Against a guy like 6” and 50 pounds bigger he was the aggressor all night. Just an insane amount of skill. This was an absolute historic performance.
 

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Just thinking about this. What a performance. Against a guy like 6” and 50 pounds bigger he was the aggressor all night. Just an insane amount of skill. This was an absolute historic performance.
Yes dude. I was in awe the first fight but this was different. Fury brought his A game and it still wasn't good enough
 

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If anyone wants to see what pure corruption in the sport of boxing looks like go watch the replay of Canizales/Panya that just ended in Thailand which is Panya Pradabsri’s hometown. It was for the vacant WBC Light Flyweight Title with open scoring so we saw cards after every couple rounds I had assumed it was Canizales on the left they showed ahead who won at least 4 of the first 6 rounds convincingly.

He then clearly won 5 of the last 6 in dominant fashion, somehow Panya didn’t go down in any of them, and the ref almost called the doctors into the ring after R11 but allowed him to continue. Judges gave Panya the unanimous decision and even the hometown crowd was booing as they strapped the belt on their guy.

If you can’t dig up the link on YouTubr let me know and I can find it for you. Another black eye for this sport. Pathetic.
 

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I reached my football limit so I watched Ali - Frazier 1 yesterday on ESPN2. The Thrilla in Manilla gets most of the attention, but that first fight was amazing too. Nonnstop action, with Joe Frazier at his absolute bobbing and weaving peak. What an incredible motor he had to do that for 15 rounds against Ali. That had to be the lowest percentage of punches landed in Ali's career. It was amazing how often Joe made him miss because of the head movement. And even though Ali got knocked down in the 15th, that fight was still a showcase of what an iron chin he had, because Frazier hit him with crushing left hooks in almost every round that would have dropped a mere mortal. Safe to say they both paid for that fight later on though.

I would put both Ali - Frazier 1 and 2 high up in the best heavyweight fights ever.
 

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Ali Frazier 2 is probably one of the most violent fights I've ever seen.

Have you guys heard the talks of crawford canelo?
 

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Yeah Canelo Crawford could be interesting depending on the weight. Saw Tank and Crawford going at it too. That’d be a helluva fight as well.
 

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As much as i dislike Canelo, i think the size would be way too much. He's too much calculated to ever come down in weight were it would be interesting so crawford is going to have to go to at least 162+.

I just can't see it.
 

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Lay down on this couch and let's get into your Canelo hate.

I also used to have grudges against all-time greats like Roy or Floyd or Oscar. Thought they had thin resumes or docked dangerous opponents or were too slick or afraid of going for knock outs, and I really regret not enjoying them more in their primes, especially the ones who were active when I thought who I should've been learning much more from watching.

But then I started thinking about boxers in an historical context, and I realized pretty much any great has a thin resume. I fucking love Marvin Hagler, and Mugabi and Hamsho were tough, tough fighters, but Marvin's really only got wins over Duran and Hearns (and Leonard, but I digress). Ali more or less split 44 rounds with a 5'9, half blind heavyweight, beat George Foreman, who's mostly notable for his comeback when the heavyweight division was barren, and guys like Norton and Lyle who history doesn't really remember. Everyone's favorite, Golovkin, has Rubio on his resume, again, nobody is going to care about Brook and Jacobs looking back.

Point is, if you look at any great boxer from history, it looks like they fought a bunch of nobodies. Meanwhile, Canelo beat Mosley, Cotto, an undefeated Austin Trout, fought Mayweather when still a baby, moved up a bunch of weight to fight Golovkin when people were comparing GGG to Tyson, fought him 3 times (whatever you think of the decisions, you can't say it didn't take huevos to get in there with a ko artist at a higher weight 3 damn times), continued moving up, beat Charlo after a grueling fight with a super dangerous Bivol who was again much bigger than him.

What more can you really want from a fighter? He fights much bigger guys with awesome power like GGG and Bivol and Charlo, he's fought and beat hall of famers, he's won belts in an historic number of weight divisions. History is going to remember Canelo very fondly, enjoy getting to watch an all timer in his prime.
 

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Let's do it. To me the biggest difference between Canelo and the Floyd/Oscar/Manny era is he's been anointed before moving onto the money stealing stage of his career. He has one of the most fabricated "great" resumes I've ever seen. Floyd, Manny, these two cleaned out divisions (champs included) at their natural competitive weights and then went on to start stacking checks in bullshit PPVs. That's a huge difference for me.


Let's do this chronologically:
+ He's brought along essentially with amateur bullshit fights to pad his record

+ oscar gets ahold of him and begins the hbo propaganda by matching him with complete dogshit, washed, journeymen opponents ("i beat hatton and cotto, you fought his brothers" - floyd)

+ the "true test" start: alfonso gomez and kermit cintron. So overmatched but hey they're on the schedule. Fine.

+ Shane: calling this Shane Mosley is a joke. End of his career, back problems, just kinda hung out and took fire and canelo still couldnt get him out

+ trout and lara fights: razor thin were a lot of people had the other guy winning. But he was the name so the scorecards were never in doubt

+ Floyd: everyone says Floyd picked canelo at the right time. Complete bullshit. He gave up so much size and age to Canelo and embarrassed him. He fought this in cruise control it was so easy

+ promoters realize he's more of a marketable attraction than great boxer so bring in the cannon fodder: kirkland, angulo, khan, liam smith, chavez jr

+ Cotto: similar to Shane (but even worse probably) cotto was beyond done. This was after all the wars, floyd fight, manny fight, margarito fight. Just a complete physical shell of himself. He would retire the next year losing to *hard* punching sadam ali. And even then, it was a close tough fight that needed some leaning on the judges for way too wide scorecards.


+ all this time btw, the entire boxing public and casual fans are dying to see him fight GGG. Finally, GGG is old enough for 1 fight with him. A close fight, you have him winning, fine. But it was close. Huge fight interest and $ wise. Do we get a rematch????

+ Nope. Let's drag it out oh and btw he gets popped for STEROIDS during this and delays the 2nd fight. Same shit. Close fight vs an even older fighter. But dont worry, he'll fight him again when G is so old he cant even move.


All of his fights are so calculated and complete mismatches in age or size. The few times he's fought someone not compromised or retiring he's either looked like shit (trout, lara) or lost (floyd, bivol).

Edit: i forgot to add his *move* to super MW was filled with bullshit weird catch weights and draining down tomato cans even further (as if it was needed).

He's a clown and he's ruined boxing.
 

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Some valid points here, but GGG was only 35 during their first fight, which isn’t old for someone in his condition who hadn’t been in any wars. Canelo was also in the process of gaining 20 pounds of solid muscle to fight a guy in his own class with a 90% ko rate. Given that and Bivol, I’m curious who you think he ducked on the way up.
 

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Some valid points here, but GGG was only 35 during their first fight, which isn’t old for someone in his condition who hadn’t been in any wars. Canelo was also in the process of gaining 20 pounds of solid muscle to fight a guy in his own class with a 90% ko rate. Given that and Bivol, I’m curious who you think he ducked on the way up.
35. How old was Canelo that fight? And how old was G the 2nd and 3rd fight?

His biggest duck is the guy he fought 3 times. That's what makes him such a master phony, imo. He waited out GGG til the absolute end of his fire and then delayed the 2nd fight even longer (while getting popped for PEDs). He's trash.

Also your question is interesting. There was no "way up" for him. He was just thrust upon and we've been told he's the greatest think since sliced bread because he beat a string of tomato cans, caleb plant and a whole host of bums.

Notice how "quick" he was to rematch Bivol? A fight wherw he was, again, made to look like an amateur against a skilled fighter.
 

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You might read more boxing media than I do, what’s your sense of what the general consensus on Canelo is?

I think he’s generally been considered a top 5 guy. I know there was a lot of early buzz around him, but acknowledgments that he had a lot of defensive deficiencies that he never really overcame. He’s probably a hall of famer but not inner circle and I don’t think he’s widely considered to have had the career or talent of Manny, Floyd or Roy.

If people are talking about him still as an all time great or tip top p4p guy, I agreed that’s unearned, but if we’re expecting boxers to be JCC, that dude was a one off and it’d be a shame for both Oscar and now Canelo to have to suffer by comparison.
 

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I've definitely heard canelo spoken in that lore (all timer). It's a joke.

Even recently, openly ducking benavidez to fight ryder, berlanga, and mungia. Ugh.
 

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Morrell can eat Benavidez’ power but the opposite isn’t true. Morrell also stands very weird almost his whole body facing the opponent. Makes his cross kinda straight like a jab but he makes it choppy too. Must be hard to defend.