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Also on the "big fights upcoming" beat, looks Chad Dawson vs. Antonio Tarver is on for Sept. 29.

It'll be on Showtime. So if you don't have a DVR, get one now because that's the same night as Taylor-Pavlik on HBO.

It also looks like Ricky Hatton is going to fight Mayweather on Dec. 1. Seems Oscar won't be ready to fight until next spring and Hatton doesn't want to wait that long.
I know Showtime wants to have a fight on their free preview weekend, but I can't help but think they're going to get the short end of the stick in 2 consecutive weeks.
Taylor-Pavlik is a bigger fight than Dawson-Tarver, and the next week, I think a lot of people will tune into Pac-Barrera II over Peter-Maskaev, even if it means paying the PPV fee.

OTOH, if Mayweather-Hatton and Cotto-Mosley do come together, we're looking at a near-perfect final 3+ months to 2007.
 

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Cotto-Mosley will be a brilliant fight, probably better than Cotto-Judah. Mayweather-Hatton will probably be a worse fight than Mayweather-Baldomir, IMO.

Sucks that Tarver-Dawson is on the same date as Pavlik-Taylor, I absolutely love Dawson. Won't be missing Pavlik-Taylor though.

Demetrius Andrade advanced to the championship for welterweights at the Pan American Games. He shut out his opponent 22-0, quite a feat at that level of amateur boxing.
 

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Kermit Cintron has confirmed that he is to defend his Welterweight Title belt against Jessie Feliciano on the Vargas-Mayorga PPV bill.

Though Feliciano will be a massive underdog, he has had some cracking fights recently, including an 8-Round Barn-burner with Arturo Gatti's conqueror Carlos Gomez, which ended in a draw.
 

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Cintron/Feliciano should be action-packed for however long it lasts. Feliciano stunned Delvin Rodriguez in his home base in CT in a main event of FNF earlier this year. Mayorga/Vargas PPV is looking like a PPV worth the money if you like action fights.
 

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Cintron/Feliciano should be action-packed for however long it lasts. Feliciano stunned Delvin Rodriguez in his home base in CT in a main event of FNF earlier this year. Mayorga/Vargas PPV is looking like a PPV worth the money if you like action fights.
I truly think the tag line for Mayorga vs. Vargas should be "If one fighter does not have brain damage by the end of the night, you get your money back!" It's a shame these two have to meet at this point in their careers.

Interesting card that night, though. Luis Collazo faces Sharmba Mitchell, Joel Julio, William Joppy, and Cintron are also on it. This really should be called retirement night.
 

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If you have not seen Berto fight, tune in. He is pretty big guy for his size and shoots his jab like a bazooka.
 

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Per USA Today, Mayweather-Hatton is on.

Pound-for-pound champ Floyd Mayweather and England's unbeaten junior welterweight Ricky Hatton are finalizing plans to fight Dec. 8 at a U.S. site to be determined on HBO Pay-Per-View.
Leonard Ellerbe, adviser to Mayweather, told USA TODAY that details will come with an official announcement as early as Monday.

"This is a great fight for the fans," Ellerbe said Friday. "We have two young unbeaten fighters, at the top of their game, from two different countries going against each other. It's what boxing needs."

Ellerbe applauded Hatton (43-0, 31 KOs) for taking the fight, which will be contested at the 147-pound welterweight limit, seven pounds more than Hatton's optimum weight as a junior welterweight.

"I never thought he would do it, but Ricky Hatton deserves credit for stepping up to the plate," Ellerbe said. "He asked for it and now he's going to get it. Floyd is a extremely excited. He wants to show Hatton that he's never fought at this level before. He's going to show him what it's like to step in the ring with the best fighter."
Off the top of my head, here's the schedule we're looking at:
9/15- Marquez PPV
9/29- Taylor-Pavlik, Tarver-Dawson
10/6- Pacquiao-Barrera II, Peter-Maskaev
11/3- Calzaghe-Kessler
11/10- Cotto-Mosley
11/17- Soto-Guzman
12/8- Mayweather-Hatton

In a perfect world, Pacquiao-Marquez II and Mayweather-Cotto/Mosley winner in the first half of '08.
 

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So I guess nobody saw Forrest/Baldomir? It was actually a pretty good fight with some good action.
 

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I watched Berto's fight on FNF. He was definietly anxious in the early part of the fight, which is certainly understandable. It was his first time as the headline of a card on a major channel. It didn't help that, prior to the knockdown, Rivera was doing nothing to attempt to win the fight. The knockdown was the best thing that happened to Berto. He regained his composure, and he looked superb in the later rounds. His jab is a great weapon, and he uses it to set up great 3-4 punch combos. He also has exceptional hand speed and power in both hands. The jury is out on his defense, and that is only because he has not faced a fighter yet that has been able to challenge him. However, given his strong amateur background, I would be almost certain that his defense is not a liability.

Forrest-Baldomir surprised me. It was a very entertaining fight. I feel bad for Vernon. I haven't seen his second fight with Mayorga, but in the first one he fought with a badly injured shoulder. He was fabolous as an amateur, and I think he is one of the most talented fighters around today. I hope he can end his career well.

I saw that Hopkins-Wright posted impressive PPV numbers (over 300,000). I know Bernard is a relatively good draw, but could this be a small upsurge in interest after the DLH-PBF fight? I hope so. With all of these great fights lined up thanks to the truce, boxing will truly be exciting in the next couple months. When was the last time you could say that?
 

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I didn't see all of Forrest-Baldomir, but the few rounds I saw were sufficiently entertaining. I'm glad the fight proved some people wrong, myself being one of those people.
Although this fight turned out OK, I still don't want to see HBO regularly chasing this kind of fight... i.e. too old guys fighting for a paper vacant title. That's going to lead to more bad fights than good fights.
Now the Soto-Guzman fight coming up in the fall, that's a great Boxing After Dark fight. Two underrated, overlooked fighters in a great weight class putting it on the line and facing each other.

This fall should be awesome.
 

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I wonder if HBO will resurrect the 24/7 concept for any of the fall fights.
Mayweather-Hatton would seem to be a natural for it, although HBO may feel the Mayweather storyline will get repetitive, since they already covered him for the Floyd/Oscar version. (Although personally, I could watch Floyd Sr. and Roger all day and not get tired of it.)
 

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Despite what people say about 'boring' fighters and defensive styles, Mayweather and Hopkins put up some decent ppv numbers. People find them interesting. This fight is going to be huge.
 

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The great lineup of fights for the rest of the year starts this Saturday, with the rematch between Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez on Showtime. There's no reason to think this one won't be as good as their last one, which was an FOY candidate until Vaquez had to quit with his nose injury.

Marquez is the superior fighter and he should win this one, but Vasquez is a devastating puncher and did floor Raf with a vicious uppercut in the first fight. The real question here is whether Vasquez is coming back from his nose surgery too soon. Also, Vasquez has taken a lot of punches in his career. I have to wonder how long he'll last against the Marquez onslaught.

The previous night Showtime's ShoBox series showcases a couple of good American heavyweight prospects. The star of this show is Kevin Johnson, who I saw fight once on ESPN. He's not a big puncher buthe styles himself after Larry Holmes and he has that Holmes-like piston jab. He takes on Damian “Bolo” Wills, whose only loss came to Chris Arreola, who's generally considered the most exciting American heavyweight prospect right now. As Klitschko runs out of credible opponents over the next year or so, these are the kinds of guys you're going to see in there against him in late '08 and '09.
 

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Finally got DVR today, so I'm all set for this weekend.

I think Marquez will win decisively. Vasquez just isn't in his league. Should be action-packed though as long as it lasts.

I'll be ordering the HBO PPV card as well. Even though this is one of those fights that isn't PPV-worthy, I don't mind paying the money, because Morales is one of the only fighters who has always been worth the $50.
No fighter has been in as many great fights over the past decade. And unlike Gatti, Morales' wars have always been against world-class opponents.

I just hope Morales doesn't show up with nothing in the tank like Gatti did against Gomez. It wouldn't surprise me though, unfortunately.
 

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So... had a great time at the Saratoga City Center last Friday. The two headline matches were entertaining enough, although Chazz Witherspoon didn't leave a tremendous impression. As his bout with Griffs wore on he definitely took control with his jab. He has tremendous balance and footwork and a cute but effective peekaboo shoulder defense that reminds me of B-Hop, and those two allowed him to make Griffs look like an amateur in the last couple of rounds. No idea why he waited 3 or 4 rounds to start using his jab more, and why he waited until the last two rounds to start throwing his power shots with conviction. He's got he tools to be entertaining but he fought a safe, boring fight. In the other featured bout, Andre Berto clearly stood out from every other fighter in the building. The power in his punch could be heard repeatedly above all the others... Cosme Rivera has some serious whiskers! Cosme clearly got jobbed with the stalling to begin the round after he clocked Berto with that short left hook, but he was game and had won over our quadrant of the City enter by the end of the fight. Afteward he bowed to our section and winked at my wife and I, who had been cheering for him after he caught Berto with the left. Terrific test for Berto and I'm glad for boxing that he won -- he learned a lot in that fight and I think he's moving very close to being a top contender in that talented welterweight division.
 

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So... had a great time at the Saratoga City Center last Friday. The two headline matches were entertaining enough, although Chazz Witherspoon didn't leave a tremendous impression. As his bout with Griffs wore on he definitely took control with his jab. He has tremendous balance and footwork and a cute but effective peekaboo shoulder defense that reminds me of B-Hop, and those two allowed him to make Griffs look like an amateur in the last couple of rounds. No idea why he waited 3 or 4 rounds to start using his jab more, and why he waited until the last two rounds to start throwing his power shots with conviction. He's got he tools to be entertaining but he fought a safe, boring fight. In the other featured bout, Andre Berto clearly stood out from every other fighter in the building. The power in his punch could be heard repeatedly above all the others... Cosme Rivera has some serious whiskers! Cosme clearly got jobbed with the stalling to begin the round after he clocked Berto with that short left hook, but he was game and had won over our quadrant of the City enter by the end of the fight. Afteward he bowed to our section and winked at my wife and I, who had been cheering for him after he caught Berto with the left. Terrific test for Berto and I'm glad for boxing that he won -- he learned a lot in that fight and I think he's moving very close to being a top contender in that talented welterweight division.
That sounds great -- wish I could have been there! I finally got aroujnd to watching my DVR of the fight just tonight. Berto sure is an exciting prospect and I can't wait to see him in there against one of the "name" fighters in the incredibly stacked welterweight division. How about putting him in there against Zab Judah in a true "crossroads" fight. A win over Judah at this point would give Berto his top 10 ranking and put him in line for a title shot. On the other hand, if Judah can dispose of Berto, he goes a long wa toward rehabilitating himself and putting himself back in the title picture.

Another good test for Berto would be Carlos "Not the Former Red Sox First Baseman " Quintana who gave Joel Julio a boxing lesson before getting destroyed by Miguel Cotto last year.

I wonder if HBO will resurrect the 24/7 concept for any of the fall fights.
I would be surprised if they didn't do that for Hatton-Mayweather. Looks like, even though Taylor-Pavlik is on HBO World Championship Boxing, HBO will still do a "Countdown" special, promoting it as if it were a PPV fight. Last year, they did that for Taylor vs. Winky Wright, and they got their highest rated fight of the year. I think that Taylor-Pavlik should be their highest-rated WCB shwo of 2007 as well.

And in a minor letdown, it looks like the Sept. 29 Chad Dawson vs. Antonio Tarver showdown on Showtime won't happen, because the promoters have been unsuccessful in finding a venue willing to put up a site fee (which is how promoters usually cover a big chunk of their expenses these days in boxing).
 

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Chagaev withdraws from the unification bout with Ibragimov and Holy field will fight in his place.
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/ne...tory?id=2958364
So a unification fight is finally going to happen and Chagaev has to withdraw. The heavyweight division is doomed.
I think the heavyweight division is just waiting for Klitschko to unify it. He's got all the elements that make a superstar, personality, looks, skill and above all, he knocks guys out. But as long as there are four guys running around calling themselves "Heavyweight Champion of the World," he won't get the recognition he deserves.

One thing I'll say for Holyfield is that he still has a name. I think you'll see this fight with Ibragimov get more media attention than any fight this year except the DLH-Mayweather fight, simply because Evander is makes such a compelling story.

If he manages somehow to beat Ibragimov (and I don't think it's entirely out of the question), I presume he'll fight Klitschko. That's a scary prospect, because Klitschko could destroy him -- quite literally. On the other hand, I think that fight -- unless it ends in a serious injury for Holyfield (which it could, unfortunately) -- would be great for the sport of boxing and would establish Klitschko as not just a boxing superstar, but a sports superstar, as the heavyweight champion should be and as Klitschko already is over in Germany and the former USSR.
 

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I haven't seen Ibragimov fight, but unless he's a complete stiff, I think he'll beat Holyfield rather handily. Holyfield's management has done a good job of putting Evander in the ring with no-hopers (Bates, Maddelone) and then the rotting corpse of Lou Savarese. It gives off the appearance that he's enjoying some type of resurgence, but in reality it's just a question of opposition. He's banned from fighting in every state not named Texas for a good reason.

I hope Ibragimov wins, because Wlad (or Peter) would KO Holyfield in a couple of rounds, tops.
 

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Maybe this should be in a separate thread or even a different sub-forum, but per Dan Rafael, the third season of THE CONTENDER will start airing Sept. 4. It'll be super-middleweights this time with probably the most interesting cast yet:

• Max Alexander (26, Camden, N.J., 14-1, 2 KOs).
• David Banks (24, Portland, Ore., 14-2-1, 2 KOs).
• Sakio Bika (28, Sydney, Australia, via Cameroon, 22-3-2, 14 KOs).
• Henry "Sugar Poo" Buchanan (28, Capital Heights, Md., 14-1, 11 KOs).
• La Farrell Bunting (27, Las Vegas, 16-3-1, 16 KOs).
• Jaidon Codrington (23, New York, 16-1, 12 KOs).
• Miguel Hernandez (32, Chicago, 20-5, 10 KOs).
• Wayne Johnson (29, Lyndhurst, N.J., 16-1, 9 KOs).
• Donny McCrary (24, St. Joseph, Mo., 23-5-2, 13 KOs).
• Les Ralston (25, Buffalo, N.Y., 16-2, 9 KOs).
• Danny Santiago (34, Ocala, Fla., 29-3-1, 19 KOs).
• Paul Smith (24, Liverpool, England, 20-0, 12 KOs).
• Sam Soliman (33, Melbourne, Australia, 33-9, 13 KOs).
• Brian Vera (26, Austin, Texas, 14-0, 9 KOs).
• Rhoshii Wells (30, Las Vegas, 18-2-2, 10 KOs).
• Rubin Williams (31, Detroit, 29-2-1, 16 KOs).

Bika and Soliman are warhorses. Bika fought Joe Calzaghe last year and Soliman of course has been in with Winky Wright (in fight that he came close to winning, or so it appeared). Codrington is the highly-touted "chin checker" whose career was at least temporarily derailed when Allan Green knocked him silly in 18 seconds. But McCrary is the guy who nearly derailed Green's career by knocking him down brutally, onmly to have Green recover and get a TKO win a round later. A number of the other guys are noteworthy fighters as well.

Unlike a lot of boxing fans, I've always really enjoyed this show. Maybe I just don't take it as seriously as everyone else, but boxing is boxing and it's always fascinating to get a peek behind the scenes and become emotionally involved with the fighters stories. Look what "24/7" did for the Mayweather-De La Hoya fight. It's exactly the type of thing boxing needs.

Looks like this season will have some differences in format. It's going to be 10 episodes instead of 15, with 6 fighters somehow being eliminated in the first episode. Not sure how they plan to pull that off. Also, they plan to edit the fights less drastically -- and according to the above-linked article, will show every fight in its entirety in a separate broadcast, probably on ESPN2.

Looks like a fun season. I'm excited and the more boxing, the better!
 

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Is Hatton-Mayweather at 140 or 147. I think that will be a crucial factor. Hatton is freakishly strong at 140 and I don't know if Mayweather would be able to get out of his armbars and clinches while Hatton slugs away.


I seriously hope Holyfield does not fight Wlad. Wald would totally destroy him. It would be a televised execution. I am a big Wlad fan, but have no desire to see that bloodbath.
 

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Is Hatton-Mayweather at 140 or 147. I think that will be a crucial factor. Hatton is freakishly strong at 140 and I don't know if Mayweather would be able to get out of his armbars and clinches while Hatton slugs away.
It's at 147 for Mayweather's title belt.
 

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The more I think about the less of a factor I think the weight is gonna be. Mayweather is not a natural Welterweight. He, like Hatton is much better suited to 140. The fact that he has fought at that weight more will give him a slight advantage. As Mayweather is not naturally bigger than Hatton, I doubt Ricky's power and strength advantage will be too adversely effected.


I think Hatton will win this fight. He will keep coming at Mayweather and force him into a street fight. Hatton can brawl, can maul, and can wrestle inside very well. This will somewhat negate Mayweather's greatest strength, his tremendous defensive skills. He can't roll his shoulder and feint when Ricky has him in an armbar.

Mayweather's hands may be a factor. He has not broken a hand in quite a bit, but I think its because he has been tremendously cautious. His hands are fragile and I don't think he has full confidence in them. Hatton will force him to fight and force him to throw his hands with bad intentions far more then the 5 times he does in a fight now.

Mayweather is the best boxer of his generation, I just think Hatton may well be the perfect match for him. Mayweather's few weakness can be exploited very well by Hatton.
 

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Spectacular fight between Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez! That one was everything boxing should be, with the possible exception of the stoppage which did seem quick. Other than that, you had technique, courage, terrific punching power -- of course plenty of blood. Just brilliant -- my favorite fight of the year so far, surpassing the first fight between these two five months ago. I can't wait for the third one which given the facial damage sustained by both men, probably will have to wait until next spring sometime.

I have to add, also, this fight tonight was yet another example of why Showtime is the real boxing fan's network. This has to be counted as yet another upset. Before the fight much of the boxing media, and even Vasquez's former trainer Freddie Roach, was saying that Vasquez was coming back too soon from his nose injury and that, in fact, he may even have been a shot fighter. Obviously not the case! How many upsets has HBO aired this year?
 

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David Diaz beats Erik Morales by close unanimous decision. I scored the fight as a close win for Morales. Very physical fight. Morales is no way near what he once was, but he didn't look like a shot fighter, he fought very hard against a physical guy.

Morales announces his retirement in the postfight interview. Hopefully he sticks to it.
 

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Is HBO going to replay Morales/Diaz on Saturday during B.A.D. like they normally do?

Some potentially bad news today with Jorge Barrios pulling out of his PPV main event fight on 9/15 with Juan Manuel Marquez. Is there any chance Soto or Guzman, if their fight isn't official, is asked to be the fill-in? I'd really prefer seeing JMM get a weaker opponent if it meant Soto/Guzman remaining intact for 11/17.

And how would a p4p Top 10 look right now? The Top 2 are easy, but after that it's anybody's guess. I have no real idea where to slot guys like Taylor, Hopkins, Cotto, Calzaghe, Raul Marquez, and possibly Israel Vazquez.
 

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And how would a p4p Top 10 look right now? The Top 2 are easy, but after that it's anybody's guess. I have no real idea where to slot guys like Taylor, Hopkins, Cotto, Calzaghe, Raul Marquez, and possibly Israel Vazquez.
OK, here as of this moment is my personal Top 10 Pound-For-Pound list, ranked, plus 10 "Honorable Mentions" in no particular order:

1 Manny Pacquiao

2 Floyd Mayweather Jr.

3 Bernard Hopkins

4 Juan Manuel Marquez

5 Joe Calzaghe

6 Winky Wright

7 Shane Mosley

8 Israel Vasquez

9 Rafael Marquez

10 Marco Antonio Barrera

Honorable Mentions:

Jermaine Taylor, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton, Wladimir Klitschko, Mikkel Kessler, Joel Casamayor, Juan Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Paul Williams, Joan Guzman

I suppose biggest point of controversy on my list comes at 1-2. Based on quality of opposition, I just can't put Floyd ahead of Pacquiao. Also, one of my main PfP criteria is a hypothetical who-beats-who if weight could be zeroed out as a factor. Based on what I've seen of these two fighters over their most recent fights (say, past three years), I honestly believe that Pacquiao would be too much for Mayweather in a weight-neutral world. Obviously Mayweather has the greater technical skills, but Pacquiao has an incredible set of tools himself: hand speed, devastating punching power, chin, heart, and sheer, unrelenting aggression. He's a dynamo. And more important, he's proved his mettle against the highest level of available opponents where Mayweather simply hasn't. There's no getting around that fact, so I have to give Manny my #1 Pound-for-Pound slot.

I still have Winky Wright ranked pretty high, even though he didn't look terrific against Bernard a couple of weeks ago. I'm giving him a partial pass because of the weight. It seemed like fighting at 170 affected his stamina, coordination and the crispness of his punching. I still think Bernard beats him if they fight at 160, but not many other current fighters would.

I realize it must also seem odd that I have Bernard Hopkins at #3, but the guy who beat him twice gets only an honorable mention. Taylor may or may not have deserved those decisions over Hopkins, but this list is based on current status and I'm of the school that believes Taylor has actually regressed -- and not just a little, a lot -- since those fights with Hopkins. He obviously did well against Winky, but I thought he could have done even better there. And in his fights against Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks he's been an embarrassment to the title "Middleweight Champion of the World." If they fought today, Bernard dominates him.

I notice that most boxing writers don't even give Klitschko an honorable mention. I don't see how he's not at least in anyone's top 20. Under Emanuel Steward he's become a well-rounded fighter and he's done everything a heavyweight champion could or should do over the past year. He's knocked out everyone they've put in front of him, in convincing fashion. He may or may not get the chance to unify the title -- that's really not up to him, unfortunately. But he is well on his way to becoming a dominant heavyweight champion. I've got to include him in the Top 20, and if keeps doing what he's been doing, by this time next year he'll probably crack my top 10.

As for Hatton and Cotto, if they each win their upcoming fights, they not only crack the top 10, I'd have to rank each of them pretty highly on the list.

I'm sure there are some other debatable picks on my list, too. So feel free to have at it!
 

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Is HBO going to replay Morales/Diaz on Saturday during B.A.D. like they normally do?
No, it won't be replayed. It was actually an independently-produced Top Rank PPV, not an HBO PPV broadcast. HBO just helped advertise and promote it, for whatever reason. But there were no HBO announcers, no HBO graphics, etc.

Some potentially bad news today with Jorge Barrios pulling out of his PPV main event fight on 9/15 with Juan Manuel Marquez.
Do you have a link for this? Because I'm not seeing it reported anywhere else.

And how would a p4p Top 10 look right now? The Top 2 are easy, but after that it's anybody's guess. I have no real idea where to slot guys like Taylor, Hopkins, Cotto, Calzaghe, Raul Marquez, and possibly Israel Vazquez.
1. Floyd Mayweather- I have to disagree with Gene on this one. If Floyd had never moved up in weight and stayed at 130, I think he would handily beat Pacquiao. Speed + skills + defense beats power 9 times out of 10.
2. Manny Pacquiao- moved him up from #3 to #2 after Winky/Hopkins. I can buy the argument that he's the most exciting fighter in the world, just don't think he's the best.
3. Winky Wright- I actually thought that Winky/Hopkins was a draw, that's why I only dropped Winky one spot. (I would've bumped Rafael Marquez to #3 if he had dominated Vasquez the other night).
4. Juan Manuel Marquez- all signs point to Pacquiao-Marquez II in early '08 if they both win their upcoming fights. That's the single biggest fight in boxing right now from a PFP standpoint IMO.
5. Jermain Taylor- I know he's looked bad in the last two fights, but he beat Hopkins twice fair and square, I thought the draw with Winky was the right scorecard (and it was a very good fight), and while he looked bad against Ouma, he did manage to win every round. The Taylor-Spinks fight was obviously a snoozefest, no getting around that. Plus, I don't mind leaving him this high, because we'll have our questions answered in September. Pavlik is a straight ahead puncher who will force Taylor to look good if he wants to win. And I'm picking Taylor to win that fight.
6. Bernard Hopkins- Like I said, I thought Winky-Hopkins was a draw, so I can't rank Hopkins ahead of Taylor, when I think Hopkins in 1-2-1 in his last 4 fights, with the two defeats to Taylor. And while Taylor hasn't looked good, Hopkins hasn't exactly made a career of winning pretty either.
7. Joe Calzaghe- Kessler could obviously assume this spot in November if he wins. If Calzaghe dominates, I'd strongly consider moving him above Hopkins.
8. Ricky Hatton- I think he's about to get destroyed by Floyd, but he deserves to be up here for now. Hatton has the worst possible style for a guy trying to beat Floyd. He has no jab whatsoever, short arms, etc. The "Jose Luis Castillo gameplan" worked well against the 25 year old Floyd, but not the current one.

With all the huge fights coming up, this list could look completely different by New Year's. The Cotto/Mosley winner is going to deserve a spot in the Top 8 for sure.
 

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Do you have a link for this? Because I'm not seeing it reported anywhere else.
This is the site I read about Barrios having to pull out of the fight:
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2335

I may have jumped the gun since I'm not sure how reputable a source this is.
If it's true, maybe Rocky Juarez could be bumped up to the main event, although he really blew it last year on the same weekend and all indications are that he really wants to be at 126.
 

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This is the site I read about Barrios having to pull out of the fight:
http://www.boxingconfidential.com/articles.php?id=2335

I may have jumped the gun since I'm not sure how reputable a source this is.
If it's true, maybe Rocky Juarez could be bumped up to the main event, although he really blew it last year on the same weekend and all indications are that he really wants to be at 126.

According to this piece Golden Boy is looking at Chris John, the featherweight belt-holder from Indonesia. A couple of years ago, JMM ill-advisedly went to fight John in Indonesia and lost. To tell you the truth, I'd be more interested in that rematch than a fight with Barrios, a fun fighter but one who would be Arturo Gatti to JMM's Floyd Mayweather.
 

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I'd love to see a rematch with John, but I'd be shocked if John agreed to it. He'd be fighting in the Western Hemisphere for the first time, at a weight he's never fought at before, on short notice. That seems like an awful lot for him to have to agree to.

Maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but I assume Golden Boy won't want the replacement to be anyone dangerous. Marquez and Pacquiao are in line for a mega-showdown that will generate a lot of money. I can't see Marquez or his promoters wanting to risk that.

That Marquez PPV has a very good undercard, btw. I might buy it regardless of Marquez's opponent.
 

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P.S. For those with HBO On-Demand, Morales-Barrera I and Morales-Pacquiao I are both posted for the rest of the week. If you've got 45 minutes to kill and haven't seen either one of those, they're both must-see. All-time classic fights.

Also, the documentary that HBO did a few years ago on Ali-Frazier I has been available On-Demand for a few weeks. That was very well done.
 

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I'm late to the game but -- hell yeah -- what a fight Vazquez/Marquez II was... wow!!!

Vazquez had the heavier hands (or sturdier chin) in the first fight and clearly demonstrated that this time. Still, the styles match up so well that you couldn't expect any less excitement in the inevitable third fight. Whats really wonderful is that both fighters gave one hell of a show and were both smiling and holding each other at the end, both holding up three fingers for the camera. A well deserved monster payday for these two warriors is about 6 months away.

re: the stoppage. I agree that is was premature, but with the hematomas recently suffered to Larrios and (brain fart) on the same card one can hardly fault the ref in this bout when considering the wealth of clean power punches that both fighters were landing.
 

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I'm late to the game but -- hell yeah -- what a fight Vazquez/Marquez II was... wow!!!

Vazquez had the heavier hands (or sturdier chin) in the first fight and clearly demonstrated that this time. Still, the styles match up so well that you couldn't expect any less excitement in the inevitable third fight. Whats really wonderful is that both fighters gave one hell of a show and were both smiling and holding each other at the end, both holding up three fingers for the camera. A well deserved monster payday for these two warriors is about 6 months away.

re: the stoppage. I agree that is was premature, but with the hematomas recently suffered to Larrios and (brain fart) on the same card one can hardly fault the ref in this bout when considering the wealth of clean power punches that both fighters were landing.
I watched the fight a second time and it made me reconsider my opinion on the stoppage. At first I thought it was quick but now I think it was fine. Raf was basically out on his feet and even though there aren't many fighters with more heart than he has, I think the fight was effectively over at that point. Vasquez may not be the best pound-for-pound fighter, but he has got to be one of the hardest pound-for-pound punchers. Looking at it again, I didn't need to see him rattle Marquez's brains any further.

Such a great fight! Even better than the first one, which was one of my top two FOY candidates (along with Pavlik-Miranda) so far. (Actually, I'd put Katsidis-Amonsot up there too.) The 13 rounds those two have fought this year, taken together, may be the best 13 rounds of boxing I've seen in, well, a long time. Next spring, which is when I expect we'll see chapter 3, can't get here fast enough!

And speaking of the Marquez Bros...

It is now confirmed that Rocky Juarez will now be Juan Manuel Marquez's opponent on the Sept. 15 PPV card.

I like Rocky, but unfortunately he's way overmatched in this fight. JMM is a master boxer, exactly the type of fighter that the slow-paced Juarez has major trouble with. I'm afraid this is going to be a dull, one-sided affair, even moreso than Rocky's rematch against Barrera last year, when MAB adopted a slick boxing style that completely stymied Juarez. I'll probably break down and buy it, but this is really not a PPV-level fight. For that matter, neither was Marquez-Barrios.
 

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Such a great fight! Even better than the first one, which was one of my top two FOY candidates (along with Pavlik-Miranda) so far. (Actually, I'd put Katsidis-Amonsot up there too.)
As of right now, I'd put Marquez-Vasquez II as the fight of the year. And Round 3 is the round of the year.

Before last weekend, this year had produced tons of really really good fights (Barrera-Marquez, Cotto-Judah, Pavlik-Miranda, etc.), but there hadn't been that one GREAT fight that blows everything else out of the water, like Gatti-Ward, Morales-Barrera, Corrales-Castillo, etc.
I put Marquez-Vasquez II at #1 because I think Pavlik-Miranda and Cotto-Judah were just a little too one-sided to be FOY. If Miranda or Judah had been close to even on the scorecards, those would be higher on the list.

As for the stoppage, I can understand people questioning it, but I thought it was legit. When I was watching the fight live, I thought it was a good stoppage. Watching slow-motion replays made it seem a little more questionable, but I think the first instinct when seeing it in real-time is the better indicator.
If I were a ref, I'd always rather stop a fight 2 or 3 punches too soon than 2 or 3 punches too late.
 

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News from the "No one really cares" department....

James Toney has had his suspension cut in half, he's eligible to fight in late November.

Toney is one of my 5-6 favorite fighters ever, but does he ever need to retire.
 

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I can't find a link yet, but it said on ESPN that Sugar Shane will fight Cotto in November.

Also, Kevin McBride, with whom I trained for years down Petronelli's will fight Andrew Golota on the undercard of the Peters-Maskaev championship bout. Kevin is one of the hardest punchers in the division and is in top shape this time around. Watch for him to make quick work of Golota. Hopefully, with another couple of victories in the coming year he can once again get the title shot he passed up after beating Tyson.
 

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I can't find a link yet, but it said on ESPN that Sugar Shane will fight Cotto in November.
Rafael is reporting that it is set for November 10th at MSG. Fantastic stuff!

One for the "I'm laughing, but I probably shouldn't" category (also from Rafael's 'Divisional Rankings' column)...

Anthony Mundine has apparently got a serious eye infection, after cleaning his contact lense in his mouth and inserting it! It is so serious it could cost him his sight in the eye and with it his career. :fonz:
 

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Yep, they agreed to the fight a few weeks ago, but Arum finally announced it as official this week. Should be a great fight and a fight of the year candidate.

I like Cotto to win. Mosley is better than Judah (although I don't think the gap is nearly as big as some people might make it out to be), but Mosley's never been a great defensive fighter, he will get hit, and I don't like a 35 year old withstanding the body punishment of Cotto for 12 rounds.

I plan on being in attendance for this one. Should be great.

Hopefully Cotto wins, Mayweather wins, and then we get the fight we really want in Summer '08.
 

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Rafael is reporting that it is set for November 10th at MSG. Fantastic stuff!

One for the "I'm laughing, but I probably shouldn't" category (also from Rafael's 'Divisional Rankings' column)...

Anthony Mundine has apparently got a serious eye infection, after cleaning his contact lense in his mouth and inserting it! It is so serious it could cost him his sight in the eye and with it his career. :fonz:

That's actually kind of scary. I take my lenses out to fight, but usually spar with them in, and they're not too hard to knock out. There's been plenty of times when I've picked them up off the blood spattered canvas and popped them right back in my eye between rounds. In fact, once I was sparring a Cape Verdean who didn't seem to have a firm grasp on the concept of contact lenses, so when he found my lens he marked it by toeing it with his shoe. Another time, sparring Ian Gardner I got both my lenses knocked out and had to drive home blind. Coming up 24, I noticed something in the road that looked like a trash bag and figured I'd head right over hit. By the time I realized it was a full-grown dead deer it was too late to brake or swerve, and I hit it going about 80. I must've gone 20 feet in the air, Dukes of Hazzard style. I guess the moral is to start bringing a backup pair of lenses.
 

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Looks like ROy Jones Jr will fight the twice retired rinidad. I don't know if that will be worth a PPV buy.

Trinidad will most likely move up to 175.

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Looks like ROy Jones Jr will fight the twice retired rinidad. I don't know if that will be worth a PPV buy.

Trinidad will most likely move up to 175.

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The boxing Seniors Tour continues.

In other, mored interesting (to me anyway) news, the lightweight unification fight between belt-holders Juan Diaz and Julio Diaz is reportedly on for October 13. Yet another addition to a blockbuster autumn of classic fights.

I have to assume that this will be a non-network Pay Per View, unfortunately because HBO has exhausted its World Championship Boxing budget and I don't think either one of these guys -- though they're both exciting fighters -- has enough of a name or following to headline an HBO PPV. Meanwhile, Showtime will have just come off three consecutive weekends of Showtime Championship Boxing, a real rarity for Showtime which usually sticks to its "first Saturday of the month" schedule pretty strictly. They've got V. Klitschko vs Jameel McLine on Sept 22, a Chad Dawson title defense against a TBD opponent on Sept 29 and Sam Peter vs Oleg Maskaev on Oct. 6. Of course, Diaz-Diaz should be a better fight than any of those three, but I doubt Showtime will want to pick it up.

Maybe HBO will just reach into its deep pockets and add to its budget. Diaz-Diaz is a perfect Boxing After Dark fight. I don't know if HBO's budget restrictions on WCB extend to BAD.

Speaking of HBO blowing its boxing budget, it seems that that's the reason -- not his injured hand -- that Wladimir Klitschko will not fight again in 2007. That and the fact that he wants a big money fight and there's no one out there right now who can give him one. Presumably the winner of Peter-Maskaev would fit that bill in 2008.
 

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Speaking of HBO blowing its boxing budget, it seems that that's the reason -- not his injured hand -- that Wladimir Klitschko will not fight again in 2007. That and the fact that he wants a big money fight and there's no one out there right now who can give him one. Presumably the winner of Peter-Maskaev would fit that bill in 2008.
Unfortunately, I believe the winner of that fight is contractually obligated to fight Vitali next, meaning neither Peter nor Maskaev would be available for Wlad until late 2008 at the earliest.
And of course, if Vitali emerges from those fights, we never get a unified title, since he and Wlad won't fight.
It's for these reasons I think it's best for the division if McCline pulls off the upset.

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I'm happy with the state of the sport right now (and obviously love what's in store for the rest of '07), but if there's one thing I don't like, it's that the top end of the sport is a little too old for my liking.
Wright, Hopkins, Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, De La Hoya, Calzaghe, Barrera, Jones, Trinidad, Tarver... these guys are all in their mid-30s or older. Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez are 32 and 29, but they're putting years on each other with these brutal fights. Even Wlad is already in his 30s I believe, although big tall heavyweights do maintain their skills longer, in general.

It's for this reason that I'm really rooting hard for Cotto in November. I like Mosley, but it's so much more important for the sport to see Cotto win. It'd be great for the sport to have a new 20-something star with a huge fanbase (like Cotto already has in PR and NYC).
It's also another reason to love the Taylor-Pavlik matchup, both of those guys should be in their prime age-wise.
 

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Unfortunately, I believe the winner of that fight is contractually obligated to fight Vitali next, meaning neither Peter nor Maskaev would be available for Wlad until late 2008 at the earliest.
And of course, if Vitali emerges from those fights, we never get a unified title, since he and Wlad won't fight.
It's for these reasons I think it's best for the division if McCline pulls off the upset.
Yeah, I am definitely rooting hard for McCline. Unfortunately, at this point in his career, he falls into the category of "hand picked opponent." Of course, it's hard to say what Vitali has left, or how much he ever really had in the first place. But I have to say, he's one of the most annoying personalities in the sport. I'd love it if McCline landed a lucky punch and put him out of our misery. Can't Vitali just be happy as his brother's #2 cornerman?

I'm happy with the state of the sport right now (and obviously love what's in store for the rest of '07), but if there's one thing I don't like, it's that the top end of the sport is a little too old for my liking.
Wright, Hopkins, Mosley, Juan Manuel Marquez, De La Hoya, Calzaghe, Barrera, Jones, Trinidad, Tarver... these guys are all in their mid-30s or older. Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez are 32 and 29, but they're putting years on each other with these brutal fights. Even Wlad is already in his 30s I believe, although big tall heavyweights do maintain their skills longer, in general.

It's for this reason that I'm really rooting hard for Cotto in November. I like Mosley, but it's so much more important for the sport to see Cotto win. It'd be great for the sport to have a new 20-something star with a huge fanbase (like Cotto already has in PR and NYC).
It's also another reason to love the Taylor-Pavlik matchup, both of those guys should be in their prime age-wise.
Boxing has made a big comeback this year. MMA and particularly the UFC still has the "of the moment" factor that gives it the media heat, but I have the feeling that it'll lose some of its sheen over the next year or two as the steroid charges proliferate, the athletes demand bigger and bigger paydays and the all-powerful UFC finds increasing competition from rival promotions.

People often compare the UFC to "Boxing" and inevitably, boxing loses the comparison. But the differnce is that the UFC is a single promotion that controls all of its athletes, makes its own matches and sanctions its own champions. The UFC is essentially a "league." On the other hand, there is no single entity called "Boxing." Boxing is a sport that's run more like the movie or music business than like a professional sports league. Rather than a single entity, it has any number of competing companies, each with its own stars.

But when those competitors start to realize that it is in all of their financial interests to cooperate as much as they compete, then we get the great matchups that make boxing the great sport that it is, or at least, that it always has the potential to be. That seems to be what's happening right now. Let's hope it continues into '08 and beyond!