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The extrapolation seems to be that since Mayweather handled Marquez so easily when he beat him and Pac and Marquez have been very close in all three of their fights, that Mayweather would handle Pac. I am loathe to say that - I just want to see it so we can see who is better rather than talking about it.
 

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The extrapolation seems to be that since Mayweather handled Marquez so easily when he beat him and Pac and Marquez have been very close in all three of their fights, that Mayweather would handle Pac. I am loathe to say that - I just want to see it so we can see who is better rather than talking about it.
Yeah, that was my point. Mayweather did look much better against Marquez than Pacquiao. On the other hand, Floyd beat De La Hoya by split decision while Manny beat Oscar so badly he retired. It took Floyd 10 rounds to take out Hatton, while Manny destroyed him in 2. All of that is irrelevant, it's how the 2 fighters would match up against each other, not how they've fought against others.

Like you, at this point I just want to see it, not talk about it. I'm just afraid that by the time it happens, both guys will be over the hill. The thing that makes both guys great is their hand speed, but they are both getting older and will inevitably slow down.
 

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Need to watch this again, but I had Marquez ahead by a round or so. Very good fight though, not as action packed as the first two, but a very closely contested technical battle with some good action splashed in. Main reason I had Marquez winning was that he just completely controlled the fight, the whole thing was fought at his pace. He clearly lost some rounds, but I feel like all the close rounds should have went his way because he was the one making the other guy feel uncomfortable in there and that he forced Manny to fight his way. I won't really argue with the scorecards, some people just have a different criteria for scoring a fight (the people calling robbery really need to chill), but I viewed this fight much like I viewed the first two.

I'm actually really looking forward to the eventual Manny-Floyd showdown, just because it seems like it'll be easy money. Enough people will be betting Manny and will keep the line pretty close, but the honest truth is that Manny doesn't stand a chance. The fact that Pac was still getting ripped by straight rights from Marquez in this fight doesn't bode well against Floyd considering Floyd has maybe the best lead right hand lead in the business.
 

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Watching it live, I thought Pacquiao won a close fight, but reading Twitter it seems most writers had Marquez. I need to watch it again. I don't think Marquez went for it enough down the stretch.
This.

Very close fight and tough to call. I wouldn't have been up in arms if the judges went the other way, but I think Pac did more in the late rounds to score the W.

As Chris Mannix tweeted, if these guys fought each other 10 more times, every round probably would be close. JMM's countering style is the perfect foil for Manny. Hats off to him for three great fights.

Hopefully, Mayweather stops his habit of running away from the tough fights and we get to see the fight we all want in May. Doubt it will ever happen though....

GCPT, your thoughts?
 

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I watched the fight live and had it 7-5 Pacquiao. It was a close and difficult to score fight, and I can understand Marquez supporters being disappointed, but anyone who says Marquez clearly won is either a) a Pacman hater or b) blind. Manny was the aggressor throughout the fight, landed more punches, and is the champion. He was never close to being hurt (Marquez' best shot was a headbutt). Put it all together and nobody should be suprised he won a decision.

Marquez was great. He is (at worst) the fifth best pound for pound fighter in the world. He has a style that gives Manny fits and has never been knocked out. How people had this fight as a mismatch is beyond me. If he hadn't let up in the last three rounds he would have won (or as some have speculated, maybe he was gassed). Emmanuel Steward was right- you can't just win the title, you have to take the title.

All that said, there are no excuses for PBF now. He fights the same style as Marquez, only he's bigger, stronger, faster and younger. If he hadn't fucked around the last two years he'd probably already have a win over Pacquiao and $50 million in the bank.
 

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Compubox round by round seems to agree with the overall decision.

4,6,7,10,11, and 12 look like Pacquiao wins... more overall punches landed and more of each type (jab/power) - except in 11 where Marquez landed 1 more jab, but 5 less power.

8 for Marquez. The only round he landed more punches than Pacquiao.

1,2,3,5,9 are all very close statistically.... if you want to give rounds to Marquez - 2 and 5 look to be the easiest.

Judges all saw rounds 1,3,4,5,6,7 the same. P, P, M, M, P, M. The oddity looks like round 7 - which all 3 gave to Marquez, but on paper looks like Paquiao's most impressive round of the fight. The other strange thing... the 114-114 judge saw Marquez winning rounds 7,8,9,10.... the other 2 judges saw Marquez winning 7, then gave 8,9,10 to Paquiao.

In any case... I don't see anything to indicate Marquez was robbed. Looks like he fought a tough, good (better than expected) fight... and lost a narrow decision as he should've.

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Rewatched the fight. I've got it 115-113 Pacquiao, with enough close rounds that I couldn't argue with a draw or a narrow decision for Marquez. In other words, it was just like their first 2 fights.

When a guy is a 9-1 underdog, it's human nature to give him extra credit for being more competitive than expected. Also, fans had forgotten what it was like for Pacquiao to face an opponent with a pulse who wasn't in awe of him. I think that's why some people are calling this a robbery, they got caught up in seeing a great, often-underappreciated champion do better than many expected. It also seems unfair that Marquez basically fought Manny to a standstill 3 times and has an 0-2-1 record to show for it.

Yes, styles make fights and Marquez has a style that gives Manny fits. But all those style elements that Marquez frustrates Manny with... Floyd can do all those same things, and he does them much better.

I don't think Arum wants any part of having Pacquiao face Floyd.
 

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Rewatched the fight. I've got it 115-113 Pacquiao, with enough close rounds that I couldn't argue with a draw or a narrow decision for Marquez. In other words, it was just like their first 2 fights.

When a guy is a 9-1 underdog, it's human nature to give him extra credit for being more competitive than expected. Also, fans had forgotten what it was like for Pacquiao to face an opponent with a pulse who wasn't in awe of him. I think that's why some people are calling this a robbery, they got caught up in seeing a great, often-underappreciated champion do better than many expected. It also seems unfair that Marquez basically fought Manny to a standstill 3 times and has an 0-2-1 record to show for it.

Yes, styles make fights and Marquez has a style that gives Manny fits. But all those style elements that Marquez frustrates Manny with... Floyd can do all those same things, and he does them much better.

I don't think Arum wants any part of having Pacquiao face Floyd.
I missed the fight last week, finally watched the replay today. And your last thought is my feeling exactly. The boxing syllogism -- X beat Y, Y beat Z therefore X will beat Z -- doesn't always work, but in this case, the fact that Floyd dominated Marquez and Manny simply can't seems significant to me. True, Marquez did not "beat" Pacquiao, but I do thing that in this third fight, he exposed Pacquiao a bit. It convinced me even more (though I was already convinced) that Floyd simply dominates Manny. I don't think it will be a close fight. Though I didn't expect this fight to be close, either and it certainly was.

Maybe it was my imagination, but Manny looked smaller and more lightly muscled in this fight than in his previous 140-147 fights. I remember how much smaller Marquez looked in the ring compared to Mayweather. This time, he looked at least the same size as Paqcuiao if not a little bigger. Makes me think that when Floyd-Manny actually happens, if it does, it will be the biggest anticlimax in recent boxing memory. I think Mayweather wins a clear, if not dominant, 12-roujnd decision.
 

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I like watching Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fight. He makes entertaining fights and he fights hard. I'm cool with HBO BAD showing someone who's not A-level, but is fun to watch.

That being said, I thought the stoppage on Saturday was premature, and the latest in a long line of premature stoppages (Alvarez-Gomez is another that comes to mind). If a guy is out on his feet and defenseless, a fight should be stopped. If a guy is taking a merciless beating and is risking his health as the rounds go on, the fight should be stopped. But if a guy gets rocked by a punch and then covers up for 10-15 seconds in an attempt to weather the storm, that's not a reason to stop the fight. Getting hurt, getting wobbled... that's part of boxing. There have been a lot of stoppages this year where it's "Fighter A gets wobbled and goes back to the ropes and covers up, Fighter B then throws a 20 punch flurry where only about 2-3 punches actually land, ref stops the fight."

Laurence Cole is probably the worst ref in boxing, so it didn't surprise me at all that he screwed up the Chavez-Manfredo stoppage.

I love Marquez, but I really have no interest in seeing Pacquiao-Marquez IV. I've already seen that fight, it's called Pacquiao-Marquez I, II, and III. Pacquiao's team has plenty of excuses for why he looked mortal (leg cramps, fight with his wife, etc etc), but that's all typical boxing BS. The reason he looked bad is because Marquez made him look bad.
 

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Antonio Margarito may be the greatest villain 24/7 has ever seen. Great television.

Well it may be all for nothing. The NYSAC is making the decision today (nothing like waiting till the last minute) whether or not to license Margarito. Cotto had a pre-fight conference call today with the media in which he stated that he would not fight Margarito anywhere but New York. Would be a shame if the fight got called off, the main event could have provided some good action and the undercard is absolutely stacked. The NYSAC hearing is at 3pm today, so we'll know more this afternoon.
 

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Approved!

http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/7270964/antonio-margarito-boxing-license-approved-new-york-bout-miguel-cotto-go

This could be the fight of the year. True hatred in this one.
I'm torn on ordering this PPV. On one hand, I'm a huge Cotto fan, the crowd atmosphere at the Garden will be insane, and the undercard fights look good.

OTOH, the PPV is overpriced ($65 in HD)and there's a good free fight (Mares-Agbeko II) on Showtime the same night to distract me. Also, I have a feeling that Margarito is 110% shot (not to mention that he'll be fighting this time without plaster in his gloves), meaning this fight won't be as competitive as most expect it to be.

The first episode of 24/7 was very good.
 

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good old fashion Mexican Death Match. If you subscribe to the theory of just entertainment this ppv card is for you.

As a boxing fan I'm fully aware of the lack of impact this has on the division but tomorrow is a day to lose yourself in the drama. i hope Cotto wins. for redemption, for his father, for the post fight interview, for the hollywood ending. but that SOB Margarito has to be the best bad guy since Floyd, so that side of the story is as equally entertaining.
 

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anybody got a good streaming site for the fight? I'm at a hotel so can't order the PPV, and can't find a bar in the area showing it. So frustrating! And atdhe.tv link isn't working for me. Aarrgh

Found one - http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/95952/1/watch-hbo-ppv-boxing-:-miguel-cotto-vs-antonio-margarito.html (international broadcast, so no Lampley)
 

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Now being reported that if Cotto wins, he has a contract to fight Mayweather on May 5. If true, now Pacquiao-Mayweather after all, I guess.
 

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Cotto takes it by TKO merely seconds into the 10th. It appeared as though he absolutely dominated the fight from start to finish, with Marg only being even somewhat competitive for two brief spots in the 4th and 5th. Marg's right eye was swollen completely shut from early on.

MSG is a madhouse from all reports.
 

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Cotto takes it by TKO merely seconds into the 10th. It appeared as though he absolutely dominated the fight from start to finish, with Marg only being even somewhat competitive for two brief spots in the 4th and 5th. Marg's right eye was swollen completely shut from early on.

MSG is a madhouse from all reports.
The fight was stopped prior to round 10 even starting. There seemed to be confusion as to whether the ringside doctor would allow one more round. However, from basically round 7 that seemed to be there mantra when the doctor would look at his eye.

It was a pretty convincing win with Miguel trying to box more and not let Margarito keep him on the ropes. Cotto's strategy of hitting and moving seemed to work. At times he seemed to revert back into old habits but his trainer was quick to shout instructions back at him to get him back in line with their fight plan. Constantly telling Cotto to "turn and move" when Margarito would try to corner him up against the ropes. Cotto tattoed Margarito's face and in particular that right eye. I do think that the ringside doctor could have let it go till the end, but Cotto was never in any danger of losing that fight. Margarito's eye was complete shut and he was unable to see any punches coming from that side.

It was nice to see that Cotto had a trainer that actually gave him instructions each round. His trainer constantly kept giving him tips and reminders of what he was doing wrong and right in between rounds. Cotto looked sharp and fought Margarito the way he had too. Margarito did pressure Cotto a lot in the middle rounds, but in the end the pressure slowed and Cotto began to put Margarito against the ropes and hammer away at that eye. It was a good fight and Margarito could not have been less classy in the post fight interview with Kellerman. Styles make fights and Margarito's style of fighting is hard for Cotto, but he did well to night and got the win.

I am not sure where Miguel Cotto goes from here. Not sure Mayweather is a good idea at this point (if what GCPT says is true). Floyd looked really good against Ortiz and I am not sure that Cotto would be able to effectively "box" Mayweather. He would more than likely just get jabbed all night long. None the less, I am extremely happy about the result.

Margarito needs to think about retirement or letting that eye fully heal. It didn't seem to take long for it to begin to close tonight. By round 3 he was already bleeding from the eye. It should be interesting how Margarito tries to spin the loss.


EDIT: Naseem Richardson was in Cotto's ready room before the fight where all the corner garb. I know he was there to inspect Margarito's wraps before Cotto's trainer decided to watch it. I thought it was interesting that he was there none the less.
 

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For clarification, I was posting what I read from Rafael, Mulvaney and others' feeds. The reports said three seconds into the 10th. I was not trying to post in a tone alluding to my having seen it. Just to be clear. Can't wait to break this one down after seeing it though.
 

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For clarification, I was posting what I read from Rafael, Mulvaney and others' feeds. The reports said three seconds into the 10th. I was not trying to post in a tone alluding to my having seen it. Just to be clear. Can't wait to break this one down after seeing it though.
I wasnt' trying to come off in a bad way. If I did, I apologize. I was so happy at the time that Lampley I believe called it in the 9th, but you are right. Apparently the bell went off but the fighters never started the to center to fight. However, I think they still counted some time off and credited it as a 10th round TKO. So you were right and I was wrng.
 

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Cotto has become much more of a pure boxer at this point in his career. I think this actually began in the final rounds of the Shane Mosley fight a few years back. Somehow, though, as he's become a better boxer hes become, for me, much less interesting to watch. He's no Floyd Mayweather, he's not a magician in the ring. He's just become a slugger who moves around pretty well and avoids getting hit. It's a valuable skill, but to me, it juts doesn't make him a very magnetic fighter.

I've always believed that Margarito was the most overrated fighter in the business, even in his prime when he was considered "the most avoided fighter in boxing." Mayweather once turned down an easy 8 million to fight him. But I thought then, as now, that Mayweather would carve him to pieces.

The report about Cotto-Mayweather came from the British broadcast on their Box Nation channel. We'll see if it pans out, but I can't say that fight holds much interest for me. With Cotto's current safety-oriented style, I think Mayweather wins an easy but deathly dull 12-round decision.
 

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Cotto has become much more of a pure boxer at this point in his career. I think this actually began in the final rounds of the Shane Mosley fight a few years back. Somehow, though, as he's become a better boxer hes become, for me, much less interesting to watch. He's no Floyd Mayweather, he's not a magician in the ring. He's just become a slugger who moves around pretty well and avoids getting hit. It's a valuable skill, but to me, it juts doesn't make him a very magnetic fighter.

I've always believed that Margarito was the most overrated fighter in the business, even in his prime when he was considered "the most avoided fighter in boxing." Mayweather once turned down an easy 8 million to fight him. But I thought then, as now, that Mayweather would carve him to pieces.

The report about Cotto-Mayweather came from the British broadcast on their Box Nation channel. We'll see if it pans out, but I can't say that fight holds much interest for me. With Cotto's current safety-oriented style, I think Mayweather wins an easy but deathly dull 12-round decision.
As a big Cotto fan, I have to agree with the bolded part (and it hurts to say it). I alluded to this very same point in my previous post.

I think personally that after the first Margarito fight that Cotto changed much more psychologically than physically. It was almost as his psychological make up changed from the 7th round on in the first fight. Even the Cotto that fought Mosley was much more aggressive and very interesting to watch. I think Cotto has had to become a better boxer due to the styles of the opponents he has chosen in his past couple of fights. Ranging from completely defensive(Clottey) to offensive (Pacquiao). Some of his opponents styles do not match up very well with the way he use to fight.

I think Cotto realizes now that he has a couple of fights left and he is looking towards retirement. He is a Hall of Fame fighter at this point to me and if he walked away from boxing today I would be completely satisfied about how it all ended. Beating Margarito like he did last night was very satisfying. I just hope that some out there will not rob Cotto of his victory because of the stoppage. Sure, I would have liked to see the fight go the full 12 rounds, but I am not sure things would have been any better for Margarito. At some point someone has to look out for Margarito himself, even if Margarito is not willing to look out for himself. I suspect that the NYBC had let him [Margarito] know that when they sanctioned the fight, hence the reason it took so long to actually license the fight.

A Mayweather-Cotto fight would be interesting and I would pull for Cotto all the way, but it would be a very difficult fight to win right now for Cotto. Give me the Cotto of 2008 and I think this conversation would be much different.


EDIT: GCPT, what do you know about Cotto's deal with Top Rank? It appears that their deal is up soon and I am wondering if Cotto might not look elsewhere or stay a free agent. Lampley made mention of this last night I believe. That there might be some hard feelings that developed between Arum and Cotto with Arum ardently defending Margarito and even allowing him to talk at the Mayorga vs Cotto post fight.
 

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Found one - http://www.firstrowsports.tv/watch/95952/1/watch-hbo-ppv-boxing-:-miguel-cotto-vs-antonio-margarito.html (international broadcast, so no Lampley)
Thanks for the link. I got home just in time for the main event on Saturday and this worked like a charm.

Margarito is a piece of shit and hopefully this fight will end his career for good. The only reason he's still been getting 7 figure paydays is because he was lucky to have a contract with a powerful promoter who has no shame.

I'm not that interested in Mayweather-Cotto. I would've loved to see it in 2008, but not so much in 2012. That's nothing against Cotto, it's just that I'm tired of hearing about potential Floyd opponents other than Pacquiao. But if the Pacquiao fight isn't an option, I guess Cotto is as good as any other option out there.
 

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I'll be in attendance for Khan-Peterson on Saturday. It's not the most thrilling matchup (there's no way Golden Boy would let Khan go to Peterson's hometown if they thought Peterson had a pulse), and the co-feature is your typical heavyweight shitfest, but live boxing is always fun, especially when it's only a 5 minute subway ride from your house.

Everyone seems to be saying that the tickets sold surprisingly well.
 

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looks like you're getting a good show tonight BGrif. Through 9 its tight. My guess is Khan finds a way to pull it out, but he is looking tired.
 

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looks like you're getting a good show tonight BGrif.
Yes and no. On one hand, it was a great action fight and the crowd was very intense. The crowd went nuts when the decision was announced.

On the other hand, the seating layout was horrific. There were 9-10 thousand seats, but they were all metal chairs on a FLAT cement floor. No stadium seating.

So in other words, unless you were in the expensive seats in the first several rows, you couldn't even see the ring. I had $50 seats, so I spent the entire night (with several thousand other fans) standing off to the side watching a big screen monitor hung above the ring.

To add insult to injury, they stopped beer sales as soon as the HBO telecast started. So not only were we forced to stand and watch a TV monitor, we couldn't even have a beer while doing so.
 

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This put a huge smile on my face, Bam bam's next fight will be vs.....Gamboa


Also, I agree on the roach hbo sdhow. Great tv as usual from hbo.
 

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I didn't see the fight. Just heard about Chisora slapping Vitali and then spitting in his face. But I did see this on the old youtube


 

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Chisora seems to be a full-blown lunatic, but he earned my respect for how hard he fought. Most guys talk tough about the Klitschkos before the fight, then they're in survival mode by the 2nd or 3rd round. Chisora fought to win for 12 rounds. He has only a shred of Haye's talent and skills, but he fought about 100x harder than Haye did vs. Wlad.

I actually think the Haye/Chisora/Adamek/Arreola group could be make some really entertaining fights with each other, but they all feel the pressure to hold out for the big payday vs. one of the Klitsckos.

I'd love to see Chisora vs. Haye or Arreola.
 

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Chisora is facing a probable ban from the British Boxing Board of Control - which can, but is very unlikely to, go upto a full life ban - so he's likely to be out of the picture for the time-being. As for Haye, he doesn't currently hold a BBBC licence having 'retired', but after that he's gonna have a fight on his hands just to get registered again.

Oh and Chisora's promoter, Frank Warren, has said he will have nothing to do with a Chisora-Haye fight, so that looks a long-shot for the time-being too.
 

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I just watched that post-fight brawl between Chisora and Haye and it confirmed my belief that Chisora is truly crazy.

I thought his antics before the Vitali fight (slapping Vitali and spitting water on Wlad) were just him selling the fight, but watching him charge Haye showed me that he is not simply acting. That being said, I would pay to watch a Chisora v. Haye fight at Wembley. That fight might even interest the casual fan if those two guys keep up their trash talking.
 

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Devon Alexander looked special on Saturday. He dominated Eddie Munster like few, if any, have before. Moving to 147 was the smartest move of his career. This Alexander would destroy Bradley.
 

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Devon Alexander looked special on Saturday. He dominated Eddie Munster like few, if any, have before. Moving to 147 was the smartest move of his career. This Alexander would destroy Bradley.
I was also really impressed with Alexander on Saturday. He caught some shots from Maidana, but shook them off and not only out boxed him, but wobbled him a few time with nice power punches.

I definitely think moving up in weight hurt Maidana as his shots just don't seem to have their effect against bigger fights.

I was also impressed with Broner. That guy is a Mayweather wanna-be, but he is young, got power and the talent to back up his big mouth. I would like to see fight against Uchiyama next.
 

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I was also really impressed with Alexander on Saturday. He caught some shots from Maidana, but shook them off and not only out boxed him, but wobbled him a few time with nice power punches.

I definitely think moving up in weight hurt Maidana as his shots just don't seem to have their effect against bigger fights.

I was also impressed with Broner. That guy is a Mayweather wanna-be, but he is young, got power and the talent to back up his big mouth. I would like to see fight against Uchiyama next.
Broner looked like a rising star with more power at his stage than I have seen before. He hits like a damn train. Definitely interested in seeing him in more quality fights. Agree on Alexander as well.
 

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Broner did look very impressive. I just hope the new HBO regime doesn't let Broner go the "Andre Berto route" and spend the next few years getting big paychecks against C-level opposition. I don't think he's that far away from being ready for a real challenge.

There were some good fights on Shobox this past weekend and Povetkin-Huck on Epix was entertaining as well.

Klitschko-Mormeck is one of the biggest mismatches on paper in recent years. Wlad should give his purse to charity if that fight lasts more than 2 rounds.
 

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Candidate for fight of the year and round (8) of the year.

Juanma has no defense and should stay away from top competetion. However his post fight interview where he blamed the loss on the ref's gambling problems was an all timer. Especially when the ref let him hold and hit illegally the whole fight.
 

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The Salido/Lopez fight was amazing. Definitely FOTY so far.

I thought it was a good stoppage because Lopez looked really shaky after the knockout and was taking heavy punishment.

I also have no idea which fight two of the judges were watching, but apparently two of three judges had Lopez ahead on points when the fight ended.
 

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Candidate for fight of the year and round (8) of the year.

Juanma has no defense and should stay away from top competetion. However his post fight interview where he blamed the loss on the ref's gambling problems was an all timer. Especially when the ref let him hold and hit illegally the whole fight.
The ref was pissing me off with that. He seemed to be glaring at Selido and speaking to him after every break as if everything was Selido's fault.

Oh yeah, Lopez claimed that he told the PR Athletic Commission that the ref and his son (who reffed the first Selido/Lopez bout) have gambling problems.

He's blaming everyone but himself.

The Salido/Lopez fight was amazing. Definitely FOTY so far.

I thought it was a good stoppage because Lopez looked really shaky after the knockout and was taking heavy punishment.

I also have no idea which fight two of the judges were watching, but apparently two of three judges had Lopez ahead on points when the fight ended.
They were delusional. Selido was landing a ton more power punches and was ahead by probably five rounds at the time of the KO.
 

Stu Nahan

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What just went on in the Carlos Molina-James Kirkland fight was an absolute fucking joke. Molina was completely dominating the fight. Kirkland knocked him down at the end of round 10. One of Molina's corner guys jumped in the ring during the mandatory 8 count that was taking place after the bell. This resulted in an automatic DQ. To compound the awfulness, one of the three judges somehow had Kirkland ahead at the time of the DQ. Only in boxing
 

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Molina should cut his losses and avoid the rematch in hopes that a ref with a brain realizes a hold isn't a boxing move. Hats off to him but Geezus Fn Christ, 10 rounds of non stopping holding. It was a damn joke.
 

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What just went on in the Carlos Molina-James Kirkland fight was an absolute fucking joke. Molina was completely dominating the fight. Kirkland knocked him down at the end of round 10. One of Molina's corner guys jumped in the ring during the mandatory 8 count that was taking place after the bell. This resulted in an automatic DQ. To compound the awfulness, one of the three judges somehow had Kirkland ahead at the time of the DQ. Only in boxing
Ya that was ridiculous. The sad part is that things like this aren't even surprising anymore. Incompetence is the norm.
 

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I don't know if anyone caught the Main Event boxing card on NBC Sports Network, but I thought it was a much better card than the HBO show. They had three pretty good fights and staging it in a smaller venue really brought the crowd to life. They seem to really care about putting on competitive fights rather than protecting fighters won-loss records by matching them with club fighters.

The Jennings/Liakhovich was a nice heavyweight bought that ended after the White Wolf couldn't did not answer the bell for round ten. The Adamek/Aguilera bout
was a nice back and forth affair that involved fighters actually fighting and the Zudah/Paris fight had pretty good action ending when Zudah KOed Paris.