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A few years from now, theres about a 95% chance that we'll be reading a magazine feature about how both Mayweather and Pacquiao are dead broke.
Mayweather won't be getting any of mine because I refuse to pay for his PPVs and Pac's until they agree to fight each other.
That was a fantastic fight. I know people hate Mayweather... and I wouldn't want to have a beer with him.
But my word, as a pure fighter he's just brilliant. Cotto showed incredible poise and toughness. Mayweather landed some savage blows in the 11th and 12th, and Cotto steadied himself and went the distance.
Edit: In Merchant interview Mayweather claims to want to fight Pacquiao if he takes full steroid tests, says "if you the best take the test. Let's give the fans what they want to see: Mayweather-Pacquiao."
But my word, as a pure fighter he's just brilliant. Cotto showed incredible poise and toughness. Mayweather landed some savage blows in the 11th and 12th, and Cotto steadied himself and went the distance.
Edit: In Merchant interview Mayweather claims to want to fight Pacquiao if he takes full steroid tests, says "if you the best take the test. Let's give the fans what they want to see: Mayweather-Pacquiao."
The judges scorecards were way off base. The fight was much closer than the scorecards would lead one to believe. Great fight, but Cotto lost to a better boxer and was gracious enough to hand the belt to Floyd directly. Cotto is great fighter and sure fire Hall of Famer.
Cotto gave an outstanding account of himself and Floyd actually seemed like he was in a fight for the first time in a long time. I wonder how much of that was Cotto and how much was Mayweather suffering from his inactivity. He's fought once per year since 2009 after skipping 2008 completely, and his previous fight was the highly-non-competitive debacle against Victor Ortiz, which almost doesn't count. Fighting a tough customer like Cotto at the full 154 was always a bit out of Floyd's comfort zone.
Still, I didn't see the fight as all that close. I had it 118-110 (10-2 in rounds). I could accepted 117-111, but no closer than that. Cotto did well, but didn't land a lot of solid punches. More than most of Floyd's other recent opponents, but that's not saying much. Mayweather was more accurate, more effective with his punches and controlled the action all the way through. At no point, though he won a could of rounds, did Cotto ever have the upper hand or any momentum in the fight.
I've never been a fan of Floyd the human being but as a boxer, wow. He is playing in his own league. He is Pedro Martinez, or Wayne Gretzky. He's not only better than everybody else. He's a lot better.
Still, I didn't see the fight as all that close. I had it 118-110 (10-2 in rounds). I could accepted 117-111, but no closer than that. Cotto did well, but didn't land a lot of solid punches. More than most of Floyd's other recent opponents, but that's not saying much. Mayweather was more accurate, more effective with his punches and controlled the action all the way through. At no point, though he won a could of rounds, did Cotto ever have the upper hand or any momentum in the fight.
I've never been a fan of Floyd the human being but as a boxer, wow. He is playing in his own league. He is Pedro Martinez, or Wayne Gretzky. He's not only better than everybody else. He's a lot better.
I had the thing 5-3 after 8 rounds but then Mayweather turned on the afterburners and put Cotto to bed. The final 4 rounds were a clinic.
One of the best "big fight" main events in a while. Cotto was tremendous but Floyd showed some grit and gave it right back. I dont think people truly appreciate how great he is defensively. He didnt run yesterday. That was all shoulder rolls, movement, timing and IQ. Standing in the pocket with Cotto and making him miss during all of those barrages.
Floyd has lost a few steps the 2 years which is why he's no longer bouncing and running around and has start staying in the pocket and walking guys down. While it's a tougher way to fight, for his bottom line (ass in front of ppv screens) he'll see that fans will love him much more when he seems vulnerable and fights through it for a tough win.
Floyd has lost a few steps the 2 years which is why he's no longer bouncing and running around and has start staying in the pocket and walking guys down. While it's a tougher way to fight, for his bottom line (ass in front of ppv screens) he'll see that fans will love him much more when he seems vulnerable and fights through it for a tough win.
He is certainly playing in his own league. However, it's unfortunate he keeps ducking Pac and other fighters in their prime. Otherwise, we could get a true test of how good he really is.
I thought Cotto fought well and gave a good account of himself, but I didn't give him more than 3 rounds.
One fight can't make or break boxing. Instead of all the focus being on Mayweather-Pacquiao, boxing just needs to consistently produce competitive and entertaining fights, and those have been severely lacking recently. Last night was a good solid fight, where both guys fought hard and acted like pros. Hopefully there are more of those to come.
One fight can't make or break boxing. Instead of all the focus being on Mayweather-Pacquiao, boxing just needs to consistently produce competitive and entertaining fights, and those have been severely lacking recently. Last night was a good solid fight, where both guys fought hard and acted like pros. Hopefully there are more of those to come.
The fact that the press is gaga over the fact that an opponent of Floyd took a few rounds off of him gives you an idea of how great Floyd really is. It was news that Floyd looked like he got into a fight. Cotto fought well and executed his game plan (you could tell his trainer was top class from 24/7), and in the end he still got dominated. Floyd's craft was on full display on Saturday night. Just a masterful performance
Also, why the fuck is Shane still fighting? Did his ex take him to the cleaners in the divorce?
Grif good to see that you are still hopeful
Also, why the fuck is Shane still fighting? Did his ex take him to the cleaners in the divorce?
Grif good to see that you are still hopeful
The Khan/Peterson rematch is now in jeopardy after Peterson failed a pre-fight drug test.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7905591/lamont-peterson-vs-amir-khan-air-test-results
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7905591/lamont-peterson-vs-amir-khan-air-test-results
Aside from Pac, and no offense but you are so in the bag for him and anti-Mayweather it's hard to take your opinion seriously, who has Mayweather ducked?
The previous standard testing systems were set up to where you basically had to be an idiot (of which there are plenty) to get caught testing positive for something. Now, having all these pre-fight Olympic style drug testing procedures seems to be the new rage in high profile fights, but this is the can of worms that's going to get opened.
I assume a large percentage of boxers are taking some form of illegal PEDs (no different than any other sport). And I have no faith that the people who "run" boxing have the slightest clue about how to enforce any type of increased regulation. I guess I don't go so far as to openly condone illegal doping, but I certainly fall into the camp that's it a fact of life and here to stay. .Boxing has enough problems as it is, do they really need to add sophisticated drug testing to their list of to-do's?
Are you seriously asking that question? Like, really?
Mayweather is known as much for ducking quality opponents as he is for his penchant for getting arrested. He turned down $8 million to fight Margarito in 2006 and ducked Sugar Shane for years until finally agreeing to fight him after Mosley turned 62.
Mayweather has certainly taken a "lowest risk, high reward" approach to his career ever since he left his original weight class (130, where he consistently beat the crap of tough, dangerous opponents). He's earned that label and it's fair to criticize him for it.
It's just important to note that Pacquiao has hardly covered himself in glory the last few years either. His choice of Margarito as an opponent was an embarrassment, and fighting Mosley wasn't much better. And he uses his economic power to force opponents to whatever weight he wants the fight to occur at.
It's just important to note that Pacquiao has hardly covered himself in glory the last few years either. His choice of Margarito as an opponent was an embarrassment, and fighting Mosley wasn't much better. And he uses his economic power to force opponents to whatever weight he wants the fight to occur at.
Exactly. Basically both suck fairly equally in that sense. I still cheer for Mayweather but I don't exactly have my head in the sand that he's some pariah while Pacquiao is a saint that represents all that is good an holy about boxing. That and I phrased my initial question quite poorly.
Who, Floyd?
I don't fault Floyd for fighting Hatton in late '07 instead of Williams (who was coming off the win over Margarito).
One thing about "ducking" guys... I never fault a fighter for taking the biggest payday available at any given moment. It is, after all, "prizefighting". Hatton was a much bigger name and bigger moneymaker than Paul Williams at that time. I don't fault Floyd at all for fighting the guy who could bring him the biggest paycheck.
Ducking a fighter, IMO, only really occurs when the biggest paycheck available is also the most legit challenger available, and a fighter chooses to make less money fighting an inferior opponent.
I don't blame fighters for "ducking" either, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. A smart fighter should know paydays are cumulative, and will be bigger in the long run if fans think fights will be competitive. Floyd isn't a knockout phenom like Tyson was, where people will pay to watch a 90 second fight because the appeal is its quick savagery. But, look, it's his livelihood and health, Williams was a bad matchup for him, and Margarito was the only guy who would get in the ring with him, and if he chose to make millions more fighting someone less dangerous, I can't fault him for that.
Now Berto has tested positive for a banned substance. Berto-Ortiz II in doubt. There may not be any big summer fights left at this rate.
Carl Froch just pounded Lucian Bute and won by KO.
It was a Rockyesque type fight with Bute eating some shots that would have knocked out a bear.
Can't wait for the rematch in Montreal.
It was a Rockyesque type fight with Bute eating some shots that would have knocked out a bear.
Can't wait for the rematch in Montreal.
I thought this would have gone the distance but Froch went right through Bute, he is such a strong and tough fighter, he showed a lot more composure and started quicker than I've seen from him in the past. I can't see Bute wanting to take up the re-match but you never know, I'd really like to see Froch take on Kessler next.
Heartbreaking news. His trainer said after he swerved to avoid a side swipe he had the choice of going head on with an oncoming car or down a 100 foot hill and he took the latter.
Apparently he's in good spirits. Which brings some solace to the boxing community that loves this guy for always putting it all out there.
Apparently he's in good spirits. Which brings some solace to the boxing community that loves this guy for always putting it all out there.
"Upset in the air"
At the weigh in, apparently Manny is at 147, the biggest of his career. Even when the catch weight was at 150 in his last fights, he only got in at 144. Lots of late money on Bradley as well.
If Bradley had more punching power I'd give him a better shot, but I think this may be a struggle for Pacman.
At the weigh in, apparently Manny is at 147, the biggest of his career. Even when the catch weight was at 150 in his last fights, he only got in at 144. Lots of late money on Bradley as well.
If Bradley had more punching power I'd give him a better shot, but I think this may be a struggle for Pacman.
Pacquiao seems to be breaking a lot of boxing rules here. Is he good enough to get away with it?
By the way, firstrowsports rules.
By the way, firstrowsports rules.
Well, I think part of the problem was that they were anticipating that the previous fight, Arce/Rojas, was going to go longer. It ended in a Round 2 no contest. It really came off as unprofessional, but there were some extenuating circumstances. Both fighters are ready to go. It should be a good one.
Manny's musculature looks softer than in his recent fights. But he seems to be taking over this fight after a tentative Round 1.
I have it 116-112 for Pacquiao. Good but not great performance by Manny. Really should have taken Bradley out in the middle rounds.
No shit. Even giving Bradley a questionable wash round I had it 117-111. What in the fuck. This compounds an atrocious last 12 months of decisions.
Wow. I love boxing. But frankly, fuck boxing. How the he'll does Bradley get 7 rounds out of that?
The lesson is, knock the guy the fuck out when you can.
Total crock of shit. Bradley gets credit for heart. But no way he won 7 rounds. I thought 4 was generous, but I gave him 4.
The lesson is, knock the guy the fuck out when you can.
Total crock of shit. Bradley gets credit for heart. But no way he won 7 rounds. I thought 4 was generous, but I gave him 4.
Boxing judges are almost as bad as NBA refs. Pacquiao should have won that fight 119-109, maybe 118-110. There's no fucking way Bradley won. No fucking way.
This is EXACTLY why boxing is tuned out by so many casual fans nowadays. It's so frustrating, since I love this sport, but just wow. Once again, we'll probably see 2 or even all 3 judges suspended temporarily, but the horrible results will remain.
So much for the superfight.
So much for the superfight.
Boxing refs are much, much worse than NBA refs.
Bradley won 4 absolute TOPS.
Fix and black deals are the only explanation. Sickening.
Go ahead and hype the rematch fuckers. Robbers and thieves.
Bradley won 4 absolute TOPS.
Fix and black deals are the only explanation. Sickening.
Go ahead and hype the rematch fuckers. Robbers and thieves.
From an ESPN commenter - as true as anything else this evening:
"arum rigged it so pax can face bradley again, without facing mayweather"
"arum rigged it so pax can face bradley again, without facing mayweather"
I'm sure they watched the same fight... but they probably also watched the nice deposits into their offshore bank accounts, as well. That was just silly.
More punches landed, more power punches landed, more jabs landed, all for Manny.
Bradley landed more judges in his pockets. Yay, boxing.
Bradley landed more judges in his pockets. Yay, boxing.