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Shockingly.  I can't remember the last time I missed a Mayweather fight, but I have 0 plans to see this one at all.
 

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The IV stuff is new. A lot of the other points (like the 3 positive tests that were swept under the rug) have already been brought up over the years by other writers, but Hauser does a good job of bringing all the info together, and his rep as a well-known writer gives it a bigger platform.

I don't really care about PEDs in sports, and this article doesn't definitively prove anything. However, Hauser does raise a bunch of suspicions that I've assumed for a few years, mainly that Floyd's claim of being some kind of anti-PED crusader is a complete farce, that he's in bed with officials that give him special treatment or look the other way, and that his career is every bit as suspicious as those he's accused of being dirty, like Pacquiao.

When Pacquiao was refused a shot of Toradol before the fight, my first thought was "Wow, Floyd never would've taken No for an answer if he had been the one needing the shot." Now it appears he himself was caught in violation of the pre-fight testing protocols on the night before the bout, but no one was notified and the drug testers retroactively granted him an exception 20 days AFTER the fight.

And remember, the supposed reason that we didn't get the fight 5 years ago at its peak was that Floyd claimed he needed to be sure there was a level playing field. Brilliant boxer, great boxing IQ, and also a complete con man and manipulator.
 

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BGrif21125 said:
The IV stuff is new. A lot of the other points (like the 3 positive tests that were swept under the rug) have already been brought up over the years by other writers, but Hauser does a good job of bringing all the info together, and his rep as a well-known writer gives it a bigger platform.

I don't really care about PEDs in sports, and this article doesn't definitively prove anything. However, Hauser does raise a bunch of suspicions that I've assumed for a few years, mainly that Floyd's claim of being some kind of anti-PED crusader is a complete farce, that he's in bed with officials that give him special treatment or look the other way, and that his career is every bit as suspicious as those he's accused of being dirty, like Pacquiao.

When Pacquiao was refused a shot of Toradol before the fight, my first thought was "Wow, Floyd never would've taken No for an answer if he had been the one needing the shot." Now it appears he himself was caught in violation of the pre-fight testing protocols on the night before the bout, but no one was notified and the drug testers retroactively granted him an exception 20 days AFTER the fight.

And remember, the supposed reason that we didn't get the fight 5 years ago at its peak was that Floyd claimed he needed to be sure there was a level playing field. Brilliant boxer, great boxing IQ, and also a complete con man and manipulator.
 
I fully believe that PacMan would have lost to Mayweather just the same, with or without the IV shot. 
 
But as BG mentioned above, the grating thing is the way Mayweather has ducked -- yes, ducked -- the initial fight due to testing and "level playing field", yet here he was breaking the rules. 
 
He's a great fighter, there's no doubt about that. But there's no way in Frazier's Frozen Hell he's the "greatest" of all time as he often likes to proclaim. Not even close. 
 

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Eh, I think this is all to sell us on Mayweather-Pacquiao 2.
Bingo. This and shoulder will be the storyline for the rematch after top rank files a claim for a no contest. Boxing fans are stupid though, this will work.
 

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I fully believe that PacMan would have lost to Mayweather just the same, with or without the IV shot. 
 
But as BG mentioned above, the grating thing is the way Mayweather has ducked -- yes, ducked -- the initial fight due to testing and "level playing field", yet here he was breaking the rules. 
 
He's a great fighter, there's no doubt about that. But there's no way in Frazier's Frozen Hell he's the "greatest" of all time as he often likes to proclaim. Not even close. 
Dude. I dont think anyone takes him seriously when he calls himself tbe. He doesnt even believe it himself as he noted he's mainly referring to his earnings throughout his career

I mean, it's wayyyyyyy before my time, but still if it doesnt start with Sugar Ray Fucking.. I'm not taking anyone seriously talking about the best ever
 

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Shockingly.  I can't remember the last time I missed a Mayweather fight, but I have 0 plans to see this one at all.
You know what's sad, Marc? The card is really good. Plus with the quillin fight earlier in the day it'll be a good day of fights. Even if rocky solido 2 should be the true main event.
 

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Thanks for that, I hadn't even checked the undercard and you're right, it's pretty solid.  Also, Adonis Stevenson is fighting tonight on PBC on Spike.
 

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Man oh man. Talk about a showcase card, colon, spence, and adonis. Geez.

The other two are young so they get a pass but god damn am i tired of seeing adonis fight bums. And his continued super bowl winning celebrations after these showcases is particularly annoying.

Ah well, couple hours from quillin, and bundrage/charlo which should be decent.
 

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Berto fought a decent fight but failed, as all do, to take the big risk of opening up in order to really have a shot of winning. I thought he fought well though but his comments of floyd running really turned me off. Floyd was in range, in the pocket for at least 70% of that fight. Dont try and save face, take your loss like a man. As for floyd, if he'd cave on his minimum fee per fight there would be no reason for him to retire. He could still beat any welterweight today but his act has worn thin and the public's appetite for him is gone.

As predicted the undercard was really good, looking forward to the third solido martinez fight, hopefully with better judges this time.
 

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I think Floyd goes for 50.  And all this side-by-side of him and Rocky makes me sick.  Rocky fought and ko'd everyone.  Floyd, well, it goes without saying.
 

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I think Floyd goes for 50.  And all this side-by-side of him and Rocky makes me sick.  Rocky fought and ko'd everyone.  Floyd, well, it goes without saying.
Yeah. I can see him waiting until the end of next year and fighting the best WW then.

Serious question, no trolling, do you place a premium on the type of win (ko vs defensive shut out)? Because for me, i place them in the same 'dominant win' category. I understand why people favor the finality of the ko and also understand why even real boxing fans find floyd boring but to me, this isnt a tough man competition. Just get the win.
 

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Not necessarily, but if the KO is there I don't like to see a fighter hold back.  There are times Floyd looks so dominant but it's obvious he's not fully engaging.  If you're a Whitaker or a Pep, I have nothing but respect for you, but if you back off knockouts or lay back too much like Floyd, I think that should count against you.  There's a difference between having a good batting eye and not swinging at strikes because you'd rather walk.
 

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Not necessarily, but if the KO is there I don't like to see a fighter hold back.  There are times Floyd looks so dominant but it's obvious he's not fully engaging.  If you're a Whitaker or a Pep, I have nothing but respect for you, but if you back off knockouts or lay back too much like Floyd, I think that should count against you.  There's a difference between having a good batting eye and not swinging at strikes because you'd rather walk.
Solid point. Not my stance but i get it. My brother feels the same way about floyd. For a second i thought it was him posting.



Under 30 days until GGG v Lemieux at the garden. Any of you going? Ive read its basically sold out
 

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Haven't seen Fury fight in a year or two, but he looked very gangly and sloppy when I did.  Does he have any shot against Wlad?  Looking forward to seeing Wilder fight this weekend, too.  He looked great coming up and against Stiverne, but sloppy and unfocused lately.  He's a guy with the tools to be a great American heavyweight though.  Figured he and Fury would fight before one of them took on Klitschko.  That'd be a barn burner.
 

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Haven't seen Fury fight in a year or two, but he looked very gangly and sloppy when I did.  Does he have any shot against Wlad?  Looking forward to seeing Wilder fight this weekend, too.  He looked great coming up and against Stiverne, but sloppy and unfocused lately.  He's a guy with the tools to be a great American heavyweight though.  Figured he and Fury would fight before one of them took on Klitschko.  That'd be a barn burner.
Fury is a big dude but im tired of people thinking that's enough to beat Wlad. He's not just some giant lumbering HW. He's very skilled and very tactical. You're going to have to do a lot to land that "shot".

I love Wilder's showmanship and what he brings to the division but this is the 2nd cupcake in a row he's scheduled since beating Stiverne. Thats not a way to prepare for the next level
 

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Agreed, and he didn't look tremendous against the last cupcake.  The problem, of course, is that the heavyweight division is more or less a bakery.  Besides Wlad, there isn't really anyone out there I think would challenge Wilder besides Stiverne or Fury.  I know Povetkin is back in high esteem, but I don't think he has what it'd take to really push Wilder.
 

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He has a lot of holes in his game but man is Wilder electric. He moves like a welterweight, has fun, has power, showboats. He's fun to watch. Duhaupas turned out to be a pretty tough test but Wilder withstood it and closed the show
 

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He has a lot of holes in his game but man is Wilder electric. He moves like a welterweight, has fun, has power, showboats. He's fun to watch. Duhaupas turned out to be a pretty tough test but Wilder withstood it and closed the show
That fight should have been stopped back 3-4 rounds prior. Duhaupas had great heart but no defense and took a tremendous beating. If by tough test you mean tested the durability of wilder' hands you are spot on.
 

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That fight should have been stopped back 3-4 rounds prior. Duhaupas had great heart but no defense and took a tremendous beating. If by tough test you mean tested the durability of wilder' hands you are spot on.
It may sound dumb but guys get caught a lot after 7 or 8 rounds of domination. They get bored and sloppy and get caught by a guy that won't go away
 

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Stub hub card was dreadful. Even the main event, which ended in a upset ko win, was pretty boring.

Broner looked strong and focused. He should park his ass at 140. His defense at 140 and under is always sharp.
 

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Lost a lot of respect for Lucas last night. He had been one of my favorite fighters.
I dont know. I definitely see your point and pretty much 99% of the boxing world shares that sentiment, i have in the past, but for some reason this fight changed my view on things. Guys give every ounce of what they have so it didnt bother me for Lucas to have a moment of consciousness, after a long respected career, and take the count.

I cant put my finger on it but i dont know if I found it brave or smart but something about it stuck out to me. I mean consider the factors: a win puts him on a short list (2-3 people) to make life changing money vs Manny in 1Q 2016, he's been in with tougher guys and gotten up, and the shot (although a good one) knocked him down it wasn't that game changing of a punch. So i believe him when he says he felt something wrong in his eye and decided to consider his long term health.
 

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Shawn Porter v Thurman looks like it will happen in December. Very excited for this fight. Top guys in the division actually fighting each other
 

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Watched Lemieux v. Rosado and think the fight with GGG should be a bit of a barnburner, but I can't imagine GGG doesn't knock this guy out within 6.  Lemieux definitely has faster hands and is probably the harder, if not sharper puncher, but he's going to come in a lot smaller than GGG and his defense is atrocious.  He was getting hit by jabs, uppercuts, hooks, overhands.  Everything.  I've never seen a top level fight be so susceptible to any variation of offense.  Plus, while Lemieux may hit harder, GGG is far more accurate and obviously has plenty of power himself.  He's going to be able to hit Lemieux when and where he wants and eventually put him away.
 

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Yup. Golovkin is also a tremendous counter puncher. I think him and Abel are going to lay back a bit to start the fight off. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lemieux caught cold by something he doesn't see coming. It'll be fun though although the size factor is something i hadn't considered. I always figured Lemieux was the bigger guy.
 

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Lemeiux had to break out the towel and go balls in the wind but he squeaked by and made weight. Garden apparently is sold out. Should be a fun card tomorrow, excited chocolatito gets a piece of the spotlight too. He's a special dude.

Just a heads up, there's a decent scrap on tonight on trutv, fonfara vs whatever is left of nathan cleverly and some pbc action tomorrow as well.
 

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This is a great fucking fight!
I got the channels wrong, trutv was some top rank card, glad i caught it in time. Komeda kono was a good fight but damn Fonfara and Cleverly went to war.

I had no idea cleverly had that much left in the tank.
 

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I think Diaz got jobbed. He worked Peterson those last 4 to 5 rounds. Some poor cards turned in
 

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If anyone has a link to a stream for tonight, I would be forever in your debt.
 
Apologies for the lack of content/beg post. 
 

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Have you tried the usual http://www.vipbox.eu/boxing 
 
After Floyd's retirement, I've seen the best boxer in the world. His name is Román Alberto González. 
 
What a complete package. Perfect stance, never loses angles, terrific defense and reflex. But that ability to put together devastating series of 4, 5, 6 punches is unbelievable. He just destroyed a decent ex-champ in Brian Viloria. 
 

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I'd still go with Lomanchemko. Roman's defense is a bit lacking. He got hit a lot for a top fighter, even granting that Viloria is very good.
 

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But part of Roman getting hit a lot is his complete dedication to make it a phone booth fight.

I know it wont be the general consensus but that fight sucked and i was incredibly disappointed with GGG's performance. It was Klitschko-esque. He boxed beautifully and did what he had to do but at no point did he ever really leave cruise control. After round 2 or 3 it was pretty clear he could get what he wanted but he jabbed away. That was a dud performance for me.
 

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Btw the way, i love Chocolatito. I've gone back over the last few months and watched more of his fights and he's so much fun to watch. So damn smart and sharp technically and all action. Love the dude
 

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I'd still go with Lomanchemko. Roman's defense is a bit lacking. He got hit a lot for a top fighter, even granting that Viloria is very good.
 
Speaking of, what's happening with the mega-fight vs. Rigondeaux? Last time I saw any news it was not close to being made. 
 
Edit: personally, I think Lomachenko knocks out Rigo.
 

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Btw the way, i love Chocolatito. I've gone back over the lasy few months and watched more of his fights and he's so much fun to watch. So damn smart and sharp technically and all action. Love the dude
 
This was the first time I saw him live (at least on TV) and was even better than his highlight clips. Just completely in command of the ring. Seemed at least 2-3 steps ahead of his opponent. 
 
Who should he fight next?
 

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I am not good at determining PFP. To my eyes he does get hit a little much to claim that (in other words, there is a fight that exists right now, though I don't know which one, that he would lose. I shouldn't be able to say that about PFP). But, he is my favorite fighter to watch that's for sure.
 
They were trying to hype up Ortiz....Did you guys see anything? He looked lumbering and wide open to me. I don't think he can jump up a level in competition and fare well.
 

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This was the first time I saw him live (at least on TV) and was even better than his highlight clips. Just completely in command of the ring. Seemed at least 2-3 steps ahead of his opponent. 
 
Who should he fight next?
There's this japanese dynamo people want him to move up and fight at 115, Inoue. I personally want to see a rematch of the estrada fight. The first one was great, https://youtu.be/qgi_ART_dw8
 

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Speaking of, what's happening with the mega-fight vs. Rigondeaux? Last time I saw any news it was not close to being made. 
 
Edit: personally, I think Lomachenko knocks out Rigo.
Rigo is/was in the worst place a fighter could be, contract dispute with a promoter. That's why he hasnt fought since dec 31st. He is supposed to fight by year's end.

IMO, loma is too big for rigo. Asking rigo to fight him is unfair, they are truly in different classes of weights. It'd be like asking floyd to fight ggg. But the money will be there so my guess is itll happen next year.
 

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I am not good at determining PFP. To my eyes he does get hit a little much to claim that (in other words, there is a fight that exists right now, though I don't know which one, that he would lose. I shouldn't be able to say that about PFP). But, he is my favorite fighter to watch that's for sure.
 
They were trying to hype up Ortiz....Did you guys see anything? He looked lumbering and wide open to me. I don't think he can jump up a level in competition and fare well.
Ortiz has flaws but 95% of the HW division looks and fights like the journeyman he just KO'd, unfortunately. He can definitely win a built down the line.
 

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Gonzalez-Viloria was an entertaining fight and I'm glad that a great fighter from the lower weights is getting US TV exposure, because that hasn't always happened in the past.<br />
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That being said, just once, I would like Lampley & Co. to just call the damn fight that's in front of them instead of being a hype machine for one fighter. Gonzalez-Viloria was an entertaining fight between a great champion and a very spirited opponent who has had a very good career in his own right. Yet Lampley spent about 5% of his words on calling the action, and 95% ruminating on where he should slot Gonzalez on his stupid mythical PFP list.