Basically you explained how to play good golf. Avoid big numbers, play for par.Went out yesterday morning and shot a 79, first round in the 70's in many years. What is odd about it was I didn't have one birdie, 11 pars and 7 bogeys. I parred the first 9 holes, but it felt weird as I had no real birdie putts, I was either scrambling or my birdie putts were 20 plus feet and I was just trying to get them close for an easy par putt. Bogeyed 10 and 11, parred 12 & 13, then bogeyed 14-18.
I guess what really saved me is I avoided any doubles, I've been good for one or two doubles a round for a long time and that just kills your score.
It's basically the double-digit handicapper's equivalent of Faldo's 18 pars in the final round at Muirfield in 1987.Basically you explained how to play good golf. Avoid big numbers, play for par.
Lol, I suppose so. I just felt like I did't play very well for carding a 79. No real birdie attempts and I felt like my contact wasn't all that great and for some reason it worked out to a good score.Basically you explained how to play good golf. Avoid big numbers, play for par.
Some of my best rounds feel like they shouldn't have happened, but you don't need to hit the ball well to score well. It's a matter of managing misses and limiting mistakes.Lol, I suppose so. I just felt like I did't play very well for carding a 79. No real birdie attempts and I felt like my contact wasn't all that great and for some reason it worked out to a good score.
Exactly, last summer I had round with 5 birdies andI still shot 83 because I loaded up on bogies, but it felt exciting because I was making birdies. Our high school golf coach always stressed middle of the green and two putts and we'll win more than we lose. He would get on guys who went after hard pins actually. One time in practice I drew in a 7 iron into a pin that was front left just over the water and I put it about 8 feet out. I went on to miss the birdie putt and tapped in for par. He came over and said nice shot, but I was super flirty with rolling it back into the creek, better to minimize the risk and go for the middle and I would've still had the same results.Some of my best rounds feel like they shouldn't have happened, but you don't need to hit the ball well to score well. It's a matter of managing misses and limiting mistakes.
I've had rounds where I have 6 birdies and shoot 80 (feast or famine). Those rounds are exciting, but good golf is boring golf. For example, I played with a buddy of mine recently who shot 69, but nobody knew it or noticed until the end because he was just kind of plodding along and it was easy to dismiss his round as it was happening.
Birdies are always bonuses, you should never play for birdies. If you're managing your game, they will just happen here and there.
High school golf generally is not a major priority for youth players these days, at least the ones trying to play at the next level. From a “winning that match” standpoint, that’s sound advice. IMO, however, from a “develop the golfer to best of the golfer’s abilities” standpoint, if a player has that drawn 7 iron shot in the bag, they should probably give it a go.Exactly, last summer I had round with 5 birdies andI still shot 83 because I loaded up on bogies, but it felt exciting because I was making birdies. Our high school golf coach always stressed middle of the green and two putts and we'll win more than we lose. He would get on guys who went after hard pins actually. One time in practice I drew in a 7 iron into a pin that was front left just over the water and I put it about 8 feet out. I went on to miss the birdie putt and tapped in for par. He came over and said nice shot, but I was super flirty with rolling it back into the creek, better to minimize the risk and go for the middle and I would've still had the same results.
Yeah this was 20 years ago, and needless to say I didn't have that shot in my bag, I just to lucky that day and he knew that. I still play that course fair regularly and they still love to put that pin in the same spot. I've gone after it a few times and more often than not it doesn't work out well!High school golf generally is not a major priority for youth players these days, at least the ones trying to play at the next level. From a “winning that match” standpoint, that’s sound advice. IMO, however, from a “develop the golfer to best of the golfer’s abilities” standpoint, if a player has that drawn 7 iron shot in the bag, they should probably give it a go.
Rough life you've got going on over there. I'm expecting 6 birdies!Holy cow...without any expectations of success, I entered the Old Course ballot for Thursday (in two days' time) on a lark and actually got a tee time for 12:30 p.m. So that's something to look forward to!(Forecast is for relatively light winds of 10-15 mph out of the southeast.)
So...the wind was quite a bit stronger than forecast, and I'm not sure how this happened, but we seemed to have had a crosswind out of the right going out and were playing into the wind (or at least a quartering wind out of the left) on the way back. So it was noticeably tougher than I'd have wanted. We played from the back tees of the options available to us - just over 6,700 yards in total - and on the first I pushed a pretty bad approach to a front pin that actually bounced over the Swilcan Burn and left me a 40-footer for birdie; the three holes I've never birdied on the Old Course are #1, #2 and #17, and I've been putting pretty great of late, so I decided to attack the hole for birdie...and promptly hit it six feet past and missed the comebacker. Grrrr. (The greens were awesome, by the way - still as perfectly smooth and fast as I think they were for the Open.) At the 2nd, to a back left pin I pulled my approach into the deep bunker left of the green, but from not far from the steep lip I opened my clubface and splashed out perfectly, bouncing the ball down the hill to a foot from the hole to save par. (The sand in that bunker was soooo good as well, a perfect consistency that let you play a proper bunker shot without making it easy to nip the ball and get lots of spin.) I just missed about a 30-footer for birdie at the 3rd, then I started to get a little ragged, bogeying the 4th and 6th and failing to birdie the 5th despite laying up nicely atop the ridge between the Spectacle bunkers to leave me a sand wedge to attack the flag. And on the 7th, with the hole way on the right side of the green, I short-sided myself with my approach and had to putt up a steep bank, but I hit a beauty to tap-in range to stay at +3.I'm expecting 6 birdies!
Geez you look way younger than I thought you were!FWIW, I entered the Old Course ballot as a twosome with a friend here in Dunbar who I knew was very unlikely to want to pay £270 to play the Old Course. (He would love to play it, but he can't afford that sort of price - his day job is working as the starter at Gullane #1.) I actually drove up to St. Andrews today not 100% sure I'd be allowed to play if I showed up by myself - but I needn't have worried about that. I wound up playing with a father and son from Los Angeles who started queueing up to get on the course at 9 p.m. last night - they slept on the concrete next to the starter's hut, Bethpage Black style - and a man from Las Vegas who had queued from 5 or 6 a.m. this morning with his wife, each hoping to get on as singles. (His wife teed off an hour after he did.) So I was definitely performing a public service by making an extra place available to the masses as I did.
So...the wind was quite a bit stronger than forecast, and I'm not sure how this happened, but we seemed to have had a crosswind out of the right going out and were playing into the wind (or at least a quartering wind out of the left) on the way back. So it was noticeably tougher than I'd have wanted. We played from the back tees of the options available to us - just over 6,700 yards in total - and on the first I pushed a pretty bad approach to a front pin that actually bounced over the Swilcan Burn and left me a 40-footer for birdie; the three holes I've never birdied on the Old Course are #1, #2 and #17, and I've been putting pretty great of late, so I decided to attack the hole for birdie...and promptly hit it six feet past and missed the comebacker. Grrrr. (The greens were awesome, by the way - still as perfectly smooth and fast as I think they were for the Open.) At the 2nd, to a back left pin I pulled my approach into the deep bunker left of the green, but from not far from the steep lip I opened my clubface and splashed out perfectly, bouncing the ball down the hill to a foot from the hole to save par. (The sand in that bunker was soooo good as well, a perfect consistency that let you play a proper bunker shot without making it easy to nip the ball and get lots of spin.) I just missed about a 30-footer for birdie at the 3rd, then I started to get a little ragged, bogeying the 4th and 6th and failing to birdie the 5th despite laying up nicely atop the ridge between the Spectacle bunkers to leave me a sand wedge to attack the flag. And on the 7th, with the hole way on the right side of the green, I short-sided myself with my approach and had to putt up a steep bank, but I hit a beauty to tap-in range to stay at +3.
The par-3 8th was the turning point of my round, really: as I turned back into the wind at the loop, the pin was tucked just beyond the Short Hole bunker, and from 140 yards I put a really nice swing on a 6-iron hit it to only six feet from the hole. (Hilariously, I went after one of my playing partners had hit driver 75 yards past the green, not realizing that we were playing a par 3! He hit another ball after we pointed out his mistake.) It was close enough that I could taste the birdie already...but, after a long wait for my playing partners to catch up with me, I somehow managed to both pull my putt and leave it fully a foot short of the hole. That was a hideous stroke, and I knew I'd wasted a golden opportunity. I then hit a very poor approach to the 9th and three-putted for bogey from 80 feet, chunked a sand wedge at the downwind 10th after a rather good drive to make another bogey, and at the par-3 11th - with the flag at the back of the green, I think about halfway between where it was on Friday and Sunday during the Open - I got aggressive and made a very good swing but took one club too many and found the gully over the back of the green, which was absolutely in jail. I got cute with my first putt from there and just failed to get to the top of the hill...and my ball rolled way back down the hill to leave me an even longer putt than I'd just had. I made double there, then after failing badly on a 20-foot birdie putt at the 12th, I really started to unravel, going double-double-bogey on the next three holes. I played 16 well and two-putted for par from the front of the green, then after drawing a terrible lie and stance after taking aggressive line up the right on the Road Hole (where the pin was at the very back of the green), I actually did pretty well to find the front of the green in three and two-putt from around 100 feet for bogey. But at the 18th, after again driving well I bladed a 7-iron all the way to the back edge and lipped out the 15-footer that I left myself for par. So I was out in 40 and back in 46 for 86. Yuck.
Although that's the worst round I've played in quite a while, it was still pretty awesome to be out there on the Old Course with most of the grandstands and camera towers still up - I've played the course around 30 times now, but that really was a unique experience. (There were a few distractions out on the course from workmen starting to disassemble stuff...but then, there are always distractions on the Old Course.) I'm almost certain that I'll never again get to play any other course so soon after it hosts a major championship, and although obviously I would have wanted to play better, I'm very happy to have had the opportunity to do this.
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Yeah typically only old people write in prose and chapters.Geez you look way younger than I thought you were!![]()
Outstanding!"The wind was blowing.
My game fell apart on eight.
Still was fantastic."
Gross or net bracket?Club championship qualifying today. Only one round from the tips. Had 80 with a triple bogey for probably the 7th or 8th seed. @Gunca should be 1 or 3 after his 73.
I wasn't joking at all, was genuinely curious. We have Champ flight (gross and from the tips) and men's flight (gross & net) from the men's tees and both flights are equally as challenging. There are 2-3 handicaps that choose to play men's flight because they don't have the length anymore to play the tips.I think you’re joking? But gross.
I’m in a weird spot where because if my handicap I really can’t win net and the top 4 or 5 golfers in our club are all between +1 and 1 so it’s difficult for me to win. Still, in match play anything can happen. I ended up as the 6th seed. No idea who the guy is who I’m playing but that adds to the fun.
I wasn't joking at all, was genuinely curious. We have Champ flight (gross and from the tips) and men's flight (gross & net) from the men's tees and both flights are equally as challenging. There are 2-3 handicaps that choose to play men's flight because they don't have the length anymore to play the tips.
I have zero chance in the Champ flight, it's 3 days of stroke play and we have multiple +1 to +4 players. I do it every year anyway because why not. I finally got back below at 3 this past week, so at least I'm trending in the right direction.
So jealous of you. Have you played these before? Wife and I are thinking of doing Payne's Valley plus maybe another for our anniversaryOn another note, I'm leaving next week for Missouri to play Top of the Rock, Ozark National, Payne's Valley, and Buffalo Ridge. Pretty excited.
First time trip, pretty excited about it. It's going to be really hot though, only drawback. Will report back.So jealous of you. Have you played these before? Wife and I are thinking of doing Payne's Valley plus maybe another for our anniversary
Awesome. The Farms, right? Great round
He's at VATech. Huge school - his freshman class was 8,000 kids. They play a fall and a spring season. The cost is reasonable - $250 per semester. There are about 150 kids who are officially in the golf club, and they have to play a round each week as the qualifier for weekend tourneys. But it turns out its basically the same eight who qualify each week, and the same eight went to nationals together for the fall and spring semesters. One of those eight is currently abroad, which left seven for the Oakmont / Pine Valley boondoggle. They have a lot of tournament opportunities, I'd have to guess seven regular tournaments and then nationals for each of fall and spring. He plays in the ones he wants to play in and skips them sometimes if there are other things he wants to do on those weekends (there's sometimes a conflict with ski club activities, which may well win out depending on the tourney).Remind me - what college does your older son go to for which is plays on the club golf team - I looked backaa? And how has the club golf experience been for him (besides as a means of access to these great courses)? I'd be curious on how busy the schedule is, if they travel to tourneys a lot, how much school support etc. I"m sure this varies, and larger schools with more resources are likely to have stronger club programs than a small D-III school.
Thanks so much! My son is a HS senior next year, and he's looking into playing in college. He's looking at smaller schools that may not have a separate club team, but it's good to hear about the club golf experience if that becomes an option, or he decides to go to a school that he's not good enough to be on the team.He's at VATech. Huge school - his freshman class was 8,000 kids. They play a fall and a spring season. The cost is reasonable - $250 per semester. There are about 150 kids who are officially in the golf club, and they have to play a round each week as the qualifier for weekend tourneys. But it turns out its basically the same eight who qualify each week, and the same eight went to nationals together for the fall and spring semesters. One of those eight is currently abroad, which left seven for the Oakmont / Pine Valley boondoggle. They have a lot of tournament opportunities, I'd have to guess seven regular tournaments and then nationals for each of fall and spring. He plays in the ones he wants to play in and skips them sometimes if there are other things he wants to do on those weekends (there's sometimes a conflict with ski club activities, which may well win out depending on the tourney).
For a kid from a small town in Maine the golf club was a great way to get to know people at a huge school. He's more comfortable on a golf course than anywhere else and the other kids on the team are pretty much just like him. It's also pretty low-key, with no rules against drinking on the course and no time commitment for practice or workouts.
His buddy and co-captain of their high school team had a really bad experience with the club team at another big school, with kids who wanted just to play country music loud and win. It's definitely hit or miss and I'm really glad his experience has been so positive.