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If a race is cancelled that would be enough to get me not to run. Also a death of a loved one, or my own death obviously would result in me not running a scheduled race. Additionally if some other chance of a lifetime emerged I would bail on a race.

If I pay for a race in advance, I'm likely doing it. I'm a cheap bastard.
 

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Sass, I didn't see this until now and it is almost certainly too late, but I chew gum on hotter days to keep my mouth from drying out and making me feel thirstier. I bring a pack of Orbit spearmint personally, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

I am the king of creating 75+ degree days in November if I am running a race more than 5 miles........
 

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Well, just got back from the race and somehow, the weather ended up being perfect. It was probably close to 48 at the start and around 43 at the finish line. It drizzled a bit before we started, but we ran the whole thing without any rain. I worried for nothing, but you never know with Dallas weather. I finished in 2:03, which is 9 minutes better than the half I ran one month ago. I'm happy with the time, but now really motivated to get under 2 hours next time.
 

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Nice job!

You should come down to Austin for the 3M half-marathon in January. I'm doing that as part of my marathon training. Shooting for sub 2:00.

Did a 14 mile run yesterday which is the longest I've ever done in my life. Was feeling tired but definitely could have gone longer if necessary. Good news is that I wasn't too sore. Got up at 6am this morning and grinded out a 4 miler so legs are feeling good.
 

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My work-60-hours-a-week-while-training-for-a-marathon-in-the-winter is not my best idea ever. Anyone got a home remedy for an aggressive blister?


I finished in 2:03, which is 9 minutes better than the half I ran one month ago. I'm happy with the time, but now really motivated to get under 2 hours next time.
Woo!
 

sass a thon

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Nice job!

You should come down to Austin for the 3M half-marathon in January. I'm doing that as part of my marathon training. Shooting for sub 2:00.
You know, it's really tempting, but I don't know that I like the idea of running a big race in another city. It's nice to be able to be in your own house before (to relax) and after (for so many reasons) a big race. I think it'd be hard to relax all day Saturday and get some good sleep in if we are staying with friends.

But damn...this race is ALL downhill. My boyfriend and I are seriously considering it.
 

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My work-60-hours-a-week-while-training-for-a-marathon-in-the-winter is not my best idea ever. Anyone got a home remedy for an aggressive blister?
Woo!
Depends on the blister - just from new shoes? I generally wait until the new skin comes in under, then poke a hole with a pin and slap some neosporin in. Bandaid as the last step and you're good to go.

Just watch out, sometimes blisters can lead to malformed gait which leads to bigger injuries.
 

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People will have a field day with this, but here you go:

If you don't know about it already: BodyGlide. This sounds sexual, but it's not.

You can get it at running stores, I think, but I've gotten mine at EMS and REI. You can put it anywhere and it avoids chafing/blisters etc. It's the only thing that saved me during Chicago this year. Seriously.

As for blisters I already have, I usually Band-aid it (get the REALLY good kind that are flexible and you won't sweat off...probably a money making scheme if they have bandaids for running feet). When you're not running or wearing other shoes, make sure you air it out and let it dry. The dudes won't like this, but once its dry and there is new skin, get yourself a pedicure. Seriously amazing.
 

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Catching up:

Great job sass on your Half. That was quite a swing in the weather from forecasted 80 degrees about 5 days out to mid 40s.

Chewing gum? Does that bother your breathing at all? I guess if its just an easy long run it wouldnt be much of an issue.

The BodyGlide stuff is great, I had some nasty blisters training for my first marathon. After using this stuff on feet, legs, etc I never have them any more. I'm starting to find it everywhere now.

I've learned how to use a safety pin on blisters and then add a bandaid and I'm as good as new. I used to try running with blisters, but that only made them bigger and hurt more. Getting rid of them and using BodyGlide religiously does the trick
 

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You know, it's really tempting, but I don't know that I like the idea of running a big race in another city. It's nice to be able to be in your own house before (to relax) and after (for so many reasons) a big race. I think it'd be hard to relax all day Saturday and get some good sleep in if we are staying with friends.

But damn...this race is ALL downhill. My boyfriend and I are seriously considering it.
Yup. That's the beauty of it. Really looking forward to that race. Let me know if y'all decide to make the roadie for it. I'm going to be using that as part of my long distance day. I'll run the half-marathon and then essentially, keep going and run another 9 miles for a total of 22. That will be my long distnace run prior to the marathon.
 

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Yup. That's the beauty of it. Really looking forward to that race. Let me know if y'all decide to make the roadie for it. I'm going to be using that as part of my long distance day. I'll run the half-marathon and then essentially, keep going and run another 9 miles for a total of 22. That will be my long distnace run prior to the marathon.
Just a side note-- I've found it better to do the 'extra miles' before the race-- the end of a 22 miler is definitely where I need spectators/fluids/motivation. Unless the race starts at some ungodly hour. When I lived in NYC I used to do all of my long runs on the day that the New York Road Runners were holding their races in Central Park-- I'd go for a run and time it to get to the start line of the race. Those runs were definitely the most quality for me, anyway.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one with a BodyGlide fetish.
 

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Just a side note-- I've found it better to do the 'extra miles' before the race-- the end of a 22 miler is definitely where I need spectators/fluids/motivation.
I agree with this sentiment but more for the reason that you will inherently want to finish the race strong, and cross the finish line strong, leaving not much left in the tank for 9 more miles. Many times I have finished a race with the intent on running another 5 or so miles after and once it's through I blow it off. Maybe that's just the competitive way I attack a race though. Rarely am I able to hold back and treat them as training runs. If I do, it'll be some sort of pace run, where I'll run the first 3-4 miles at a jog and then accelerate to marathon pace.

On this note, and against all my advice, I am considering doing Boston this year as a long training run for Vermont City. It's not a great idea, but my reasoning is:
- Boston is a hard course. I have run it twice and fared poorly relative to my other marathons. Both times I was 8-10 min behind my PR - so basically, I have given up on running a superb time there
- That said, the race is freaking awesome to run. History, crowds, the feeling of being a celebrity - all unparalleled feelings
- I qualified with a good time, probably the 2nd or 3rd corral, I feel like I owe it to myself to run it
- After this year I'll be joining the working world full time (in grad school now) and who knows what that will do to my training schedule, or if I'll even be able to get the day of the race off

But I'd like to do Vermont City too, it's a new race and it seems cool and I could probably log a decent time there, likely better than at Boston. The races are 5 weeks apart, I could try to jog the first 10 miles and then run the last 16 at my goal marathon pace. I've had a similar strategy in a 30k or 20 miler before a marathon but am a little worried about recovery if I'm doing this in a full marathon. Anyone have experience with 2 marathons so close together?
 

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But I'd like to do Vermont City too, it's a new race and it seems cool and I could probably log a decent time there, likely better than at Boston. The races are 5 weeks apart, I could try to jog the first 10 miles and then run the last 16 at my goal marathon pace. I've had a similar strategy in a 30k or 20 miler before a marathon but am a little worried about recovery if I'm doing this in a full marathon. Anyone have experience with 2 marathons so close together?
No first hand experience from me (my body can barely handle two in a year) but I run with a bunch of people run 5-6 competitively a year (3 in spring and 3 in fall - must be nice to make cash running). The key will be the following from what I've heard from them:

* First week after your 1st marathon - cut back mileage to 2/3 your 12 week average leading up before taper
* Second week - ramp back up to your average mileage
* 3rd, 4th, 5th weeks - 100% mileage
* 6th week taper

A few things. This is meant for recovery from one competitive marathon to another and this assumes six weeks in between - in your case you might be 5 weeks in between. If you're planning on running the last 16@PMP at Boston you should be OK - as you know, your legs get beat up the first half more than the 2nd half. So as long as you can contain yourself, that's not a bad hard tempo run for VCM.
 

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But I'd like to do Vermont City too, it's a new race and it seems cool and I could probably log a decent time there, likely better than at Boston. The races are 5 weeks apart, I could try to jog the first 10 miles and then run the last 16 at my goal marathon pace. I've had a similar strategy in a 30k or 20 miler before a marathon but am a little worried about recovery if I'm doing this in a full marathon. Anyone have experience with 2 marathons so close together?
Pete Pfitinger's book Advanced Marathoning has a chapter on running marathons 12, 10, 8, 6, and 4 weeks apart including day by day schedules. He breaks each into recovery, build-up (when possible) and taper.

From the book, he says use the 6 week schedule. "The 6 week schedule is difficult to put together because 6 weeks is just enough time to lose fitness. He assumes you want to do your best in the 2nd marathon.

6 week schedule mileage (based on runner who trains 60-70mpw)
25
38
52
59 (he says skip this week for 5 weeks in between)
46
28 (before the race)

It's a really nice book for $20. I can send you some details from the schedule if you want.
 

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thanks for the advice from both of you. i may have to add the book to my x-mas list. i loaned it from the library once but it's probably useful to have a copy on hand at all times.
 

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Well, I think Mills Cities wrapped up my 2007 racing season....

I also did what 90% of NE running people did today - switched my long run to today to avoid that weather tomorrow. I ran 18.5 at a very easy pace (7:15) along the Bay State course and was happy my hip was definitely better running without a wrap. During the week I can definitely push the pace on my progression runs (6:00-6:10) so I'm happy that the standard RICE stuff is working with my muscle soreness I got a few weeks ago running that messy Monday.

Edit: Fudgcicle series is back : http://www.glrr.net/races/FudgcicleSeries/index.htm
 

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Anybody running Hyannis on Feb. 24? I'll be there doing the 10K, my third year in a row. I'm slow, and coming back from a terrible 2007 season, but this is a really fun race!
I'm preparing for the half marathon. I ran it in 2006 and it was cold! I remember passing the Hoyts at one point which was pretty cool. Of course they steamed past me on a downhill a mile later!

Anyone else hate the training log switch from coolrunning to active.com? yeah me too. If you've lost your data or hate the way active's log looks you can still access your old log on coolrunning.

www.coolrunning.com/cgi-bin/log/display.cgi?u=<username>;p=<password>

These are your old coolrunning username and password. I was able to log in and download my log so I can look into uploading it into another site. Any recommendations? The link above is allowing me to continue to use the coolrunning log for now.
 

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Did my 16 mile training run on Sunday while I was visiting my sister in Houston. Ran the 3 mile loop at Memorial park five times and then tacked on one more mile. On my distance runs I'm now going places my body has never been. I'm getting a little nervous because my left knee acts up some. It doesn't swell or anything, it just hurts a little, but I think it may be simply a matter of running really long distances for the first time.

Also, the fact that I row during the week is starting to catch up. I'm feeling pretty worn down. Perhaps this is normal as I am right in the middle of training for my first marathon.

To give everyone an idea, starting last Monday I ran 4 miles on Monday, rowed 7 miles on Tuesday, ran 6 miles on Wednesday, did a 900m x 6 sprint workout on the rowing machine Thursday morning and then ran 8 miles Thursday evening, ran 6 miles Friday, rested Saturday and then ran 16 miles on Sunday. Am I overdoing my running since this is just my first marathon? I'm thinking I may cut out my Thursday running workout.

Thoughts would be appreciated!
 

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To give everyone an idea, starting last Monday I ran 4 miles on Monday, rowed 7 miles on Tuesday, ran 6 miles on Wednesday, did a 900m x 6 sprint workout on the rowing machine Thursday morning and then ran 8 miles Thursday evening, ran 6 miles Friday, rested Saturday and then ran 16 miles on Sunday. Am I overdoing my running since this is just my first marathon? I'm thinking I may cut out my Thursday running workout.

Thoughts would be appreciated!
Tough to say if you're overdoing it without knowing the progression of your mileage. If you're following the 10% rule you should be ok. What intensity are you doing your running at? I've found I did better when I alternate the hard/easy days. If I do a long run/tempo run or interval workout one day I made sure the next day is either a rest day or an easy 3-4 mile run at about 60 seconds slower than marathon pace. It gives me a nice mental and physical break. Keep in mind that my first marathon I peaked at 39 miles per week and my second I got to 50. I recovered faster the 2nd time around because I had built up a better base.
 

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www.coolrunning.com/cgi-bin/log/display.cgi?u=<username>;p=<password>

These are your old coolrunning username and password. I was able to log in and download my log so I can look into uploading it into another site. Any recommendations? The link above is allowing me to continue to use the coolrunning log for now.
I don't use the coolrunning one, I use the one from here: www.mapmyrun.com (I'm a dork and can't figure out how to link, but you get the idea...). Map my run is awesome, especially if you live somewhere with satellite, because you can fairly accurately map your off-street running...when I run on the Charles, I can map the sidewalks/paths I ran on.
 

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I am unimpressed with the active switch. Thanks for the tip on downloading the old coolrunning data! I checked out runnersworld.com and it looks good, but I can't figure out how to upload the data. I suppose I could just do it in my own excel file.
 

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I am unimpressed with the active switch. Thanks for the tip on downloading the old coolrunning data! I checked out runnersworld.com and it looks good, but I can't figure out how to upload the data. I suppose I could just do it in my own excel file.
I think http://www.runningahead.com/ has the same log as runner's world. I believe RW has some sort of partnership with runningahead. The guy at runnerahead will import your data from coolrunning. I'm considering getting my log uploaded to runningahead and trying them. I set up mapmyrun last night too (per SoxChick13) so I plan on testing that. In the meantime I'm still updating my CR log (and downloading the log everyday just in case).

My next step is to buy a GPS so all this data gets uploaded automatically. Well, at least that's what I hear some of them do.

Tomorrow I'm venturing back outside for a hill workout. I spent the last couple days getting my treadmill back in working order as it was next to impossible to run over the weekend outdoors. I've found that treadmill running is tougher than running on the roads. With the boredom and lack of air it was tough to get through 60 mins last night. I guess I can chalk up some of the boredom to the fact that was watching that awful MNF game.
 

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I'm running my first 1/2 marathon on Jan. 12th in DisneyWorld. I've never been a runner (I ski and mountain bike a lot), but I decided to join the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society's Team in Training program to raise money in memory of a friend that passed away. I'm sure I'll have a few more questions over the next couple of weeks, but here are a few so far:

- What type of hydration plan would be good on race day? The race starts at 5am so it probably won't be that hot. Right now I'm up to 9 miles, and I usually stop between miles 4-5 for a 90 second water break. I'm hoping by race day my water stops won't be for as long.

- I haven't started getting into the gels yet, but I assume I should be? How frequently should I consume them on race day? Any specific brands or ingredients to look for?

- As mentioned, the race starts at 5am. We meet at 2:30am for a group picture, take a shuttle over to EPCOT for registration at 4am. As a law student, I'm used to staying up past 1am studying and waking up at 9am. Now that finals are over, I'm going to try to get used to going to bed earlier, but I still doubt I'm going to be able to fall asleep at 9am the night before the race between my internal clock and nerves. Any tips for rest?

- What should I eat race day morning?
 

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I'm running my first 1/2 marathon on Jan. 12th in DisneyWorld. I've never been a runner (I ski and mountain bike a lot), but I decided to join the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society's Team in Training program to raise money in memory of a friend that passed away. I'm sure I'll have a few more questions over the next couple of weeks, but here are a few so far:

- What type of hydration plan would be good on race day? The race starts at 5am so it probably won't be that hot. Right now I'm up to 9 miles, and I usually stop between miles 4-5 for a 90 second water break. I'm hoping by race day my water stops won't be for as long.
Get a "fuel belt" or some type of water bottle to carry with you. The best advice is to drink when you are thirsty. No need to stop for 90 sec, just pull it out and take a sip when thirst hits.

- I haven't started getting into the gels yet, but I assume I should be? How frequently should I consume them on race day? Any specific brands or ingredients to look for?
Personally, I don't see the need for a gel on a half marathon. I only use them on runs of over 20 miles. If you've eaten properly you should be fine.

- As mentioned, the race starts at 5am. We meet at 2:30am for a group picture, take a shuttle over to EPCOT for registration at 4am. As a law student, I'm used to staying up past 1am studying and waking up at 9am. Now that finals are over, I'm going to try to get used to going to bed earlier, but I still doubt I'm going to be able to fall asleep at 9am the night before the race between my internal clock and nerves. Any tips for rest?
That is an obscene starting time. I have read that the night of sleep 2 nights before the big race is more imporatant that the night before. SO get a good nights rest then. What I'd probably try to do is nap during the day (on the day before) thenjust get 3-4 hours before the race. I'd avoid taking any otc sleep meds as they can cause hydration issues.

- What should I eat race day morning?
This is all trial and error. Find out what doesn't upset your stomach on long runs. Carbs are the fastest to digest, and agree with me most. So pre-long run I eat a bagel with jelly and drink water. Its topping off my glycogen stores with another 300-350 calories which is useful.
 

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I agree about the gels for a half, although when I've had really early half marathons (~6 or 7am..I'm sooo not a morning person), I've been known to have a powergel with caffeine around mile 8 or so to give me a little kick. Also note that I'm pretty much always hungry, so I enjoy a little something.

If you haven't trained with a gel before, you shouldn't do it on race day though. I go with a bagel and a banana before my races, and some water, but not so much so that I have to pee by mile 2.
 

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I've been dealing with what I think was a hamstring injury for a couple months. The last 4 weeks I've been able to get back out and run again without much of an issue. My problem is that when I sit in traffic in my car for 60-90 mins each day the back of my leg starts to act up towards the end of my ride and I'm limping when I get out of the car. After a few minutes of walking it doesnt bother me anymore.

This morning I did some hill running, 5X3 min hills at just above 5k pace. My leg didnt bother me at all. If it was a muscle issue I would think I would be in a world of hurt at the end of that workout, but I felt fine. Some quick searching and I wonder if it is a sciatic nerve problem. The pain is only in the back of upper leg from my butt down to just above the knee.
 

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- What type of hydration plan would be good on race day? The race starts at 5am so it probably won't be that hot. Right now I'm up to 9 miles, and I usually stop between miles 4-5 for a 90 second water break. I'm hoping by race day my water stops won't be for as long.
In my two marathons I've walked through each water stop every 2 miles which burned 10-15 seconds. While training I have a belt with a 22oz bottle. If you're just looking to complete the race I'd go with a belt with your own water/gatorade bottle. As others have said make sure it is something you've trained with so you're sure it wont cause problems.

- I haven't started getting into the gels yet, but I assume I should be? How frequently should I consume them on race day? Any specific brands or ingredients to look for?
I've seen it suggested you can take them after 60 mins then every 40 mins after. If this is going to be the longest run of your life I'm guessing you could be on the course for 2+ hours and a gel might help. You can probably do the entire run without it, but if you try it in training and you find it helps then go for it. I remember trying them while training for my first marathon and I felt it gave me a big boost after taking one. I know some people who cant take them without signifigant stomach "issues". Myself I use the PowerGel plain with water. Try them on your long runs and see if it helps.

- As mentioned, the race starts at 5am. We meet at 2:30am for a group picture, take a shuttle over to EPCOT for registration at 4am. As a law student, I'm used to staying up past 1am studying and waking up at 9am. Now that finals are over, I'm going to try to get used to going to bed earlier, but I still doubt I'm going to be able to fall asleep at 9am the night before the race between my internal clock and nerves. Any tips for rest?
As others have mentioned get good rest the few days before the race. With the crazy schedule you're going to have you're going to need it. Why 2.5 hours before the start for a group picture? if you can get in a nap before you start to warm up that might be useful to kill some time and prevent the nervous energy from wiping you out.

- What should I eat race day morning?
Bagels and juice have worked for me. Have them at the group picture as this will make sure you get some food in and have enough time to get rid of any of it before the race starts.
 

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This morning I did some hill running, 5X3 min hills at just above 5k pace.
Damn, structured workouts - I need to start doing that - Nice job! You've been reading Nate's journal entries too much :rolleyes:

Regarding the gu's - if you do decide to take them, make sure to follow it up 20-30 minutes later with another one. Otherwise you will crash pretty good - also try to get them with caffeine if possible - extra little quick kick.

My rule of thumb regarding food is nothing (not even a powerbar) within two hours - again, this is mostly dependent on your training and your body.

Good luck!
 

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Damn, structured workouts - I need to start doing that - Nice job! You've been reading Nate's journal entries too much :rolleyes:
I read Casey's and Nate's journals every day now. Actually, I'm following the Pftiziger 30-50 mpw plan for the 15k/HM. Although I could probably make my own training schedule I like following a pro's advice. Each time I do a new plan I learn a bit more what works and what doesnt. He lays out paces to run the workouts by % heart rate max and % heart rate reserve. He gives guidance on the pace using race times.

Nate's journal is pretty interesting when he talks about goals of specific workouts. It sounds like he's running Casey into the ground now. It's a whole new world for him!
 

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21 miles over the slush, ice, and puddles of freezing water. My Festivus feat of strength. I feel better than I did the last time, at least. Of course, that may have been the numbing effect from the puddles - I actually started to look forward to them.
 

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21 miles over the slush, ice, and puddles of freezing water. My Festivus feat of strength. I feel better than I did the last time, at least. Of course, that may have been the numbing effect from the puddles - I actually started to look forward to them.
Excellent work - this week has been the toughest week I can remember for training. Last Sunday I did 7 x 1 mile around my house - my neighbors thought I was completely nuts running in a snowstorm.
 

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I was just about to complain about doing 18 miles this past Sunday in 25 degree weather in West Texas but I think I'll shut up. Well done gentlemen.

One thing I noticed that on this run, my shoulders and back were in pain in the last 6-8 miles. Perhaps my posture is poor while I am running. (a little hunched over). or maybe it was the weight from all the clothes I had on to keep warm (t-shirts, sweathshirt, fleece vest, fleece jacket). Any thoughts on this?
 

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I was just about to complain about doing 18 miles this past Sunday in 25 degree weather in West Texas but I think I'll shut up. Well done gentlemen.
I remember I used to have shoulder pain at the end of long runs when I was hitting new PR for distance. By the time I had completed 4 or 5 16+ mile runs I had built up enough endurance and my body was used to being out for 2+ hours.

One thing I noticed that on this run, my shoulders and back were in pain in the last 6-8 miles. Perhaps my posture is poor while I am running. (a little hunched over). or maybe it was the weight from all the clothes I had on to keep warm (t-shirts, sweathshirt, fleece vest, fleece jacket). Any thoughts on this?
Running in a fleece jacket? You must be a puddle at the end of the run.

I cant remember where I read it but you should dress for temps 20 degrees above what the air temp is because running will warm you up. There's a bunch of other variables (wind, rain/snow, length of run, etc), but its just a guide.


On a personal note, my training for the Hyannis Half Marathon has been looking up. I feel like I'm getting back to my fitness level of the marathon in October. My long runs are up to 12 and I'm doing either a hill workout (VO2 max) or around a 30 min tempo run each week. I feel so much more efficient running the last couple of weeks. The Pfitz program has been easy to follow and very educational.

My switch the the runningahead.com log has been pretty good as well. The link to import my coolrunning log worked very well in about 1 min. I was pretty pumped to be able to import my log from 2005 through today.

Nice work Steve on the 21 miler and to AusTex on the 18 miler in sub-optimal conditions. Those sort of runs always feel great when you're stretching after the run. You know you can run in most any conditions after that.
 

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To all of you near seacoast NH.northern Mass, looks like they are starting a new series. It begins with the Hangover classic in Salisbury on 1/1

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SoxChick13

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One thing I noticed that on this run, my shoulders and back were in pain in the last 6-8 miles. Perhaps my posture is poor while I am running. (a little hunched over). or maybe it was the weight from all the clothes I had on to keep warm (t-shirts, sweathshirt, fleece vest, fleece jacket). Any thoughts on this?
The clothes might have something to do with it, and posture as well. In my own experience (and my experience coaching track for a year), I've observed two things that lead to shoulder and back pain...these are just observations and I have no physiological science to back it up: 1. Upper body posture-- especially at the end of a long run, the 'dead bug' syndrome begins to occur...arms aren't as efficient, shoulders and arms lack motion and and begin to shrivel up a bit. I have issues with this, especially on hills toward the end of a run. Doing some light strengthening exercises for these areas help tremendously.
2. Are your hammies tight? I have really tight hamstrings and when I'm on a long run, the tightness works its way from my hammies, to my butt, to my lower back etc. I make sure to stretch these before a long one (obviously) and if it gets bad, I'll stop for a minute or so to stretch 'em again.

Has anyone been down by the Charles lately? I'm dying because of indoor running and I was wondering if it's cleared up enough to get a run in down there....
 

BleacherFan

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To all of you near seacoast NH.northern Mass, looks like they are starting a new series. It begins with the Hangover classic in Salisbury on 1/1

[topic="http://www.locorunning.com/race-series.php"]http://www.locorunning.com/race-series.php[/topic]
I HOPE to be up there. I gave myself an achilles strain for xmas so I've taken a couple of days off. Oh well - I needed a break
 

AusTexSoxFan

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Good suggestions here. I appreciate the input!

Yeah, it was hot running in the fleece and it was too much. I stripped it off after the first 4.5 miles (I did 4 4.5 mile loops). All of these long distance runs for me are the longest I've ever done so certainly the tolerance is not quite there. In the last couple runs I've been trying to improve posture. In my high school years of cross-country, I was taught to run with a lean/hunch forward so it is just a question of breaking that habit.

My hammies feel fine except for the natural soreness that comes on a long run. Nothing out of the ordinary though.

I just don't see how y'all manage to do that cold weather or indoor running. I think I'd got nuts!
 

BleacherFan

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Good suggestions here. I appreciate the input!

I just don't see how y'all manage to do that cold weather or indoor running. I think I'd got nuts!
The cold doesn't bother me too much - after a few miles you warm up fine. It's the snow/slush/hail stuff that has really killed my outdoors running. I run at 6am so it's not too bad because there aren't that many vehicles on the road - even in the Davis Sq area, but you have to be careful running in the streets.

One of my new years resolutions is to start doing "real" workouts once a week but I'll save that for my "2008 running resolutions" post.
 

underhandtofirst

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It's the snow/slush/hail stuff that has really killed my outdoors running. I run at 6am so it's not too bad because there aren't that many vehicles on the road - even in the Davis Sq area, but you have to be careful running in the streets.
You're going to love this week then. Some of the streets around here are like running down hallways they are so narrow. I can only imagine what it's like in Davis Sq. Its is probably safer to run down the yellow line in the middle of the street. I had to climb a snowbank twice on my 13 mile run on Sat am just to be sure I'd complete the run. Looking forward to getting back to work so I can run along the Charles River so I dont have to dodge cars.

Finished the year with 1275.3 miles (174:26:48 total time). I hope to go over 1500 in 2008.
 

BleacherFan

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You're going to love this week then. Some of the streets around here are like running down hallways they are so narrow. I can only imagine what it's like in Davis Sq. Its is probably safer to run down the yellow line in the middle of the street. I had to climb a snowbank twice on my 13 mile run on Sat am just to be sure I'd complete the run. Looking forward to getting back to work so I can run along the Charles River so I dont have to dodge cars.

Finished the year with 1275.3 miles (174:26:48 total time). I hope to go over 1500 in 2008.
Well, luckily, my shower access at work is shutdown until MLK day, so I won't be running before work for a few weeks. I also was going to run today up in Salisbury but I had to run into Boston for work this morning - oh well...

My year stats from coolrunning (now on running2win.com):

3236.3 miles
Time: 15 days, 1h 45m 56s
Avg. Pace: 6:45/mile
 

Big Guapo Style

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Ran Salisbury today, did the 10k in 38:24ish (not sure what the official time is - I didn't stick around). It was a cold, windy day. I haven't raced in a while so I wasn't expecting much (haven't even really been doing any VO2max workouts - maybe a tempo here and there) so I was pleased with the result.

Wind was real rough between the mile 4 and 5 marks, apparently about 4 or 5 people were drafting off me. When I realized this, I fell back and let someone else lead. But the damage had been done. I did that mile in 6:25ish, whereas all the others I was closer to 6:05.

Overall, a great start to 2008!

BTW, I checked in at 2330 miles for 2007. Goal marathons for 2008: Boston, Vermont City, fall mary TBD (front runner right now is Hartford) - this is where I'll go for the PR.
 

BleacherFan

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Ran Salisbury today, did the 10k in 38:24ish (not sure what the official time is - I didn't stick around). It was a cold, windy day. I haven't raced in a while so I wasn't expecting much (haven't even really been doing any VO2max workouts - maybe a tempo here and there) so I was pleased with the result.

Wind was real rough between the mile 4 and 5 marks, apparently about 4 or 5 people were drafting off me. When I realized this, I fell back and let someone else lead. But the damage had been done. I did that mile in 6:25ish, whereas all the others I was closer to 6:05.

Overall, a great start to 2008!

BTW, I checked in at 2330 miles for 2007. Goal marathons for 2008: Boston, Vermont City, fall mary TBD (front runner right now is Hartford) - this is where I'll go for the PR.
Nice job - from the sounds of it, I'm glad I missed that race today. Drafting is definitely something that irks me from time to time. I'm relatively tall (5'11") and I always get people drafting me. On the other hand, I take the opportunity to draft whenever I can but I generally say 'hey I'll take it for a mile' or something along those lines.

My 08 goals in order of preference:

* Sub 34 10k
* Sub 16 5k
* Sub 1:15 1/2
* Sub 2:40

All of these goals will have to be achieved in the summer/fall and most likely the distance stuff will take a back seat. My wife is expecting our first child in March so I will just be trying to tread water from March until July. I honestly have no idea what to expect and hope to be doing 1-2 track workouts in the winter/spring to get my speed up for the shorter stuff.

For me, obviously bigger priorities. Several people have asked for my log - it's been converted from coolrunning and can be seen here: My Running Log
 

underhandtofirst

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All of these goals will have to be achieved in the summer/fall and most likely the distance stuff will take a back seat. My wife is expecting our first child in March so I will just be trying to tread water from March until July. I honestly have no idea what to expect and hope to be doing 1-2 track workouts in the winter/spring to get my speed up for the shorter stuff.
Congrats! You'll probably suffer a bit for 6-12 weeks from less than optimal sleep. The first couple of weeks you'll probably spend getting a schedule that works for you and your wife with regards to sleeping, feeding, changing, etc. Actually, the first few weeks there is no etc, that's all they do. I bet you'll be surprised and you'll be able to get out to run more than you think. The time you run at may be different, though.

For me, obviously bigger priorities. Several people have asked for my log - it's been converted from coolrunning and can be seen here: My Running Log
I thought I had a chance to be leading all SoSH Running Dogs in mileage for the year after doing 8.34 this morning. Not quite....I'll have to wait until 2009 now :)
 

BleacherFan

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Wow that sucked - did my first track workout in almost 6 months. I did 10 quarters at Tuft's indoor track (my first experience running indoors also) with 200 recovery:

74,72,72,73,74,73,73,74,74,72 (avg 73 - avg recovery was 71)

My quads are very sore right now - I went in hoping to do 12 and keep them all under 75 - one out of two ain't bad..