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TallerThanPedroia

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Yeah, I tried running indoors at BU a couple of times. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, sweat-wise, but all the turns without the ability to run both ways really did not make my legs happy.

Plus it's a 1/7 mile track, so the math is all crazy.
 

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Thanks again for the advice in here so far. Race day is quickly approaching. I'll be running a half marathon in Disney World on Saturday to raise money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. It'll be my first running event of any kind. I was able to run 10 miles a couple weeks ago without walking, but my times usually suck (between 10-12 minute pace). I have a couple more questions for race day:

- Are there any good pre-run and post-run stretching programs and/or warm-up/cool-down ideas? Maybe some online sites? I usually just use the same type of stretches I've always used for athletics. Usually my calves are fine during a run. Quads are usually pretty good too. The only area that seems to get sore or pulled tends to be my inner thighs and groin. Doing those butterfly stretches (sit with bottoms of feet together) seem to help but I don't know what else to do. My knees usually get pretty sore too, but that's a joint and not a muscle so I assume there isn't a stretch or anything to really do about that.

- It's been brutal cold in the northeast lately. I've been running in under 20 degree weather. The advance forecast has Saturday in Orlando with a chance of rain, high 73 low 60. Race starts at 6am, so it will probably be around 60. We have to wear a Team in Training jersey (nike dri-fit tank top). I think that would be too cold for 60 degrees. I will probably wear my running shoes, smartwool running socks, nike running shorts with liner, thin long sleeve bodyarmor, and then the jersey. Sound good or too much? Should I wear a wicking hat and/or sport specific sunglasses I have if it's sunny? Anything different if it rains or just deal with it?

- I bought some Body Glide but haven't used it yet. I'll be sweating a lot more in Florida than the northeast. Where should I rub it and how much do I apply? I assume a thin layer near armpits, inner thighs, and nips.

- Should I aim for water or Powerade at hydration stations? How much should I drink and how often?

- What should I eat after the race and when?

- When we do group long runs, I normally do light talking with nearby teammates. It helps the time pass and I don't think about my legs being sore as much. Our coaches suggested talking to other people wearing the LLS purple jerseys during the race and ask where they're from, who they are running for, etc. What is the etiquette for talking with nearby runners? Don't speak unless spoken too? Start up a chat because anyone else running at a 2 hour+ pace could probably use some conversation?

Thanks again for the help. If there are any other race tips I'm not thinking of, those would be appreciated as well.
 

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Thanks again for the advice in here so far. Race day is quickly approaching. I'll be running a half marathon in Disney World on Saturday to raise money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. It'll be my first running event of any kind. I was able to run 10 miles a couple weeks ago without walking, but my times usually suck (between 10-12 minute pace). I have a couple more questions for race day:
Good luck! Run your own pace, be careful not to get caught up in the pack and go faster than you want to. After tapering I sometimes feel so good I go out too fast. Start too fast and the end of the race is harder than it has to be.

- Are there any good pre-run and post-run stretching programs and/or warm-up/cool-down ideas? Maybe some online sites? I usually just use the same type of stretches I've always used for athletics. Usually my calves are fine during a run. Quads are usually pretty good too. The only area that seems to get sore or pulled tends to be my inner thighs and groin. Doing those butterfly stretches (sit with bottoms of feet together) seem to help but I don't know what else to do. My knees usually get pretty sore too, but that's a joint and not a muscle so I assume there isn't a stretch or anything to really do about that.
I usually do a VERY easy jog for 4-5 mins just to warm up a bit then I do my stretching. After stretching I run a bit more at long run pace. I might go 100-200 yards at close to race pace to get a feel for it. I think I end up running about a mile prerace. I'm still experimenting.

- It's been brutal cold in the northeast lately. I've been running in under 20 degree weather. The advance forecast has Saturday in Orlando with a chance of rain, high 73 low 60. Race starts at 6am, so it will probably be around 60. We have to wear a Team in Training jersey (nike dri-fit tank top). I think that would be too cold for 60 degrees. I will probably wear my running shoes, smartwool running socks, nike running shorts with liner, thin long sleeve bodyarmor, and then the jersey. Sound good or too much? Should I wear a wicking hat and/or sport specific sunglasses I have if it's sunny? Anything different if it rains or just deal with it
If its at 60 wear what you would for a 75 degree day just walking around. Warm up with pants and jacket, but come race time I'd go with short and your tank top. Your tolerance of temperature may be different than mine. If its 45 or higher I wear shorts and tshirt. I find 50-55 to be ideal.

- I bought some Body Glide but haven't used it yet. I'll be sweating a lot more in Florida than the northeast. Where should I rub it and how much do I apply? I assume a thin layer near armpits, inner thighs, and nips.
I put it on my feet too, anywhere I have gotten a blister or could get one.

- Should I aim for water or Powerade at hydration stations? How much should I drink and how often?
If the aid stations are every 2 miles you might take the opportunity to walk through it and get a full cup (4-7 oz). Drink only what you've trained with.

- What should I eat after the race and when?
There is probably a bunch of food after the race. Bananas, soup, bagels are good right after the race.

- When we do group long runs, I normally do light talking with nearby teammates. It helps the time pass and I don't think about my legs being sore as much. Our coaches suggested talking to other people wearing the LLS purple jerseys during the race and ask where they're from, who they are running for, etc. What is the etiquette for talking with nearby runners? Don't speak unless spoken too? Start up a chat because anyone else running at a 2 hour+ pace could probably use some conversation?
I'm never a big fan of lots of chatter during a race. probably because every race I'm in I run at a pace I'm not comfortable talking at. I might make a quick comment once in a while. You should be able to tell if the person wants to talk after about 5 seconds.
 

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I would definitely not wear the long sleeves. That sounds like perfect singlet (tank top) weather. I am jealous.

That said, supposed to be 38 degrees at 7am tomorrow and wed! woo hoo! I'll find time for an outdoor run before visiting the polls.
 

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Thanks again for the advice in here so far. Race day is quickly approaching. I'll be running a half marathon in Disney World on Saturday to raise money for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. It'll be my first running event of any kind. I was able to run 10 miles a couple weeks ago without walking, but my times usually suck (between 10-12 minute pace). I have a couple more questions for race day:

Thanks again for the help. If there are any other race tips I'm not thinking of, those would be appreciated as well.
Few other tips mentioned here several times:

1. Try to eat (aka carbo load) some pasta Thursday night over Friday night - you don't need to be running on a full stomach - you will need some carbs since you'll be out there over 2 hours (given your goal pace)

2. I'd keep away from the chatter - if you notice running with some people for more than a few miles, you may try to break the silence with a 'what's your goal pace?'. It helps going down the stretch with someone to motivate you - it's happened to me a lot.

3. I second the fluids and the whole pre-race prep - don't stray far from what you've been training with

4. Enjoy it and have fun - I hear it's a fun course

5. Find your appropriate pace group - I assume your group will have pacers or the race will provide them I bet. Nothing sucks more than opening up 3 minutes/mile under your goal pace and suffering the rest of the way
 

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I ran a 4 mile time trial this morning to get a feel for where I'm at. My goal was to run 27:00 and my pace over the first 2.5 was in the right ballpark considering the hills, but my leg turnover just wasnt there for the last mile or so. My final time was 27:31. Using various running calculators this converts to around a 1:37 half marathon and my goal is 1:36. I've considered modifying my goal time because I'm much better in shorter distances, but there are two reasons not to. First, is that I did a long run on Sunday of 11.7 miles a bit harder than I probably should have at 8:15/mi. It wasnt a killer pace because I was always able to keep my breathing at a rate where I could hold a conversation. Second, the loop has some pretty good hills as you can see from the link below.

Map of the loop I ran for 4 mile "race" today with the elevation profile.
4 mile course
 

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I ran a 4 mile time trial this morning to get a feel for where I'm at. My goal was to run 27:00 and my pace over the first 2.5 was in the right ballpark considering the hills, but my leg turnover just wasnt there for the last mile or so. My final time was 27:31. Using various running calculators this converts to around a 1:37 half marathon and my goal is 1:36. I've considered modifying my goal time because I'm much better in shorter distances, but there are two reasons not to. First, is that I did a long run on Sunday of 11.7 miles a bit harder than I probably should have at 8:15/mi. It wasnt a killer pace because I was always able to keep my breathing at a rate where I could hold a conversation. Second, the loop has some pretty good hills as you can see from the link below.

Map of the loop I ran for 4 mile "race" today with the elevation profile.
4 mile course

Nice job - are you 6 weeks out from Hyannis now? How's your mileage been - that will be the biggest thing - don't go too crazy with the workouts - save those for 4-3 weeks out.
 

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I just ran my first run of the year. Actually, of the past three years. I ran about 1.4 miles of hilly terrain. A little backstory, I used to run track, play football, multi-sport athlete, etc etc.

I got shin splints for the second time in my life, and they are the single most painful thing that I've ever had to deal with (including broken bones and torn tendons).

My question to you is...how the fuck do I avoid/get rid of these things? I'm not running flatfooted, so I know that isn't the problem.

I want to work myself up to four miles or so per run, but I don't want to have to deal with the shin splints forcing me to not even be able to walk, never mind run. The rest of my body feels like a million bucks, but these things feel like the death of me.

Any helpful tips/remedies/what-have-you?

Much thanks to the Running Dogs!

-Tim/IaaI
 

underhandtofirst

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Nice job - are you 6 weeks out from Hyannis now? How's your mileage been - that will be the biggest thing - don't go too crazy with the workouts - save those for 4-3 weeks out.
Hyannis is 2/24 so yes, 6 weeks until race week. Injuries and illness killed a lot of the base I built up for the marathon in Oct. I've been building it back up since mid November and I'm in the high 20s now and will be in the low 30s starting this week until a week before the race with maybe a slight drop the week of the Super Bowl 5k. For the 12 weeks prior to the half marathon I will average 28-29 based on the tentative schedule I've laid out for myself.

I alternate between a VO2 max workout and a tempo/LT run each week. I throw in a couple longer runs of 8-14 miles and then one more recovery run of 3-5 miles. I'm having a tougher time getting more running in on the roads and treadmill running is brutal. After an hour I'm toast mentally it is so dull even with a TV on.
 

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I just ran my first run of the year. Actually, of the past three years. I ran about 1.4 miles of hilly terrain. A little backstory, I used to run track, play football, multi-sport athlete, etc etc.

I got shin splints for the second time in my life, and they are the single most painful thing that I've ever had to deal with (including broken bones and torn tendons).

My question to you is...how the fuck do I avoid/get rid of these things? I'm not running flatfooted, so I know that isn't the problem.

I want to work myself up to four miles or so per run, but I don't want to have to deal with the shin splints forcing me to not even be able to walk, never mind run. The rest of my body feels like a million bucks, but these things feel like the death of me.

Any helpful tips/remedies/what-have-you?

Much thanks to the Running Dogs!

-Tim/IaaI
I have a similar background (multi sports). I used to get shin splints in track in HS, usually during indoor track season when there was a lot of pounding on a short (150 yd) indoor track. I read that it was caused by an imbalance between the calf muscles and those along the shin. The method to correct it was to run stairs. I used to do it for 10 mins a night and it did the trick for me. There are also stretching exercises to help out as well.
 

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Chewing gum? Does that bother your breathing at all? I guess if its just an easy long run it wouldnt be much of an issue.
I have used chewing gum on all distances from 5k to marathon and it has never interfered with my breathing. Even when you are gasping for breath on your kick for the final mile or so you it manages to get moisture into your mouth which - for me at least - refreshes your breathing.


I have decided that I am shooting for 1,000 miles this year. It has been a life goal for a while and I think my calendar can accomodate it. I am dead on schedule having done mile 39 today.

I plan on staying in the 17-23 mile per week range through April and then doing a 50 mile week, then doing a 75 mile week in May, and then finally a 100 mile week in either June or July depending on my schedule. The 100 mile week is also a life goal.
 

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I just ran my first run of the year. Actually, of the past three years. I ran about 1.4 miles of hilly terrain. A little backstory, I used to run track, play football, multi-sport athlete, etc etc.

I got shin splints for the second time in my life, and they are the single most painful thing that I've ever had to deal with (including broken bones and torn tendons).

My question to you is...how the fuck do I avoid/get rid of these things? I'm not running flatfooted, so I know that isn't the problem.

I want to work myself up to four miles or so per run, but I don't want to have to deal with the shin splints forcing me to not even be able to walk, never mind run. The rest of my body feels like a million bucks, but these things feel like the death of me.

Any helpful tips/remedies/what-have-you?

Much thanks to the Running Dogs!

-Tim/IaaI

I have the exact same background only I didn't run track in high school. When I first got shin splints they were solved by a physiotherapist using magnets. Seriously. for 6 weeks I went to her office twice a week and sat with electromagnets on my legs for an hour. Worked great.

I still get them on occasion but the three things that have helped me (in order):

1) I have a very, very low stride. I barely take my feet off the ground. I was lucky enough to work out with a guy who was a running coach and he showed me how to do it. The toe of my back foot is barely higher than an inch over the ankle of my plant foot. This was a HUGE difference maker.

2) Ibuprofen. Take them after every run. Even when you are certain you don't need them.

3) I started going to running stores to buy my shoes and working with someone who actually knew what the hell they were talking about as opposed to just throwing you into a pair of New Balance or Nike and calling it a day. I get two pairs of shoes every year or so and alternate them. The prices are no more than you pay at foot locker (although a little more than online) and everything works great for me.
 

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I have used chewing gum on all distances from 5k to marathon and it has never interfered with my breathing. Even when you are gasping for breath on your kick for the final mile or so you it manages to get moisture into your mouth which - for me at least - refreshes your breathing.
I have decided that I am shooting for 1,000 miles this year. It has been a life goal for a while and I think my calendar can accomodate it. I am dead on schedule having done mile 39 today.

I plan on staying in the 17-23 mile per week range through April and then doing a 50 mile week, then doing a 75 mile week in May, and then finally a 100 mile week in either June or July depending on my schedule. The 100 mile week is also a life goal.
Training for anything with that 100 mile week or just to get to a goal? I broke the century club twice last winter - physically I was OK, mentally I was beat. I topped out at 109 one week - that's my high water mark...

Good luck!
 

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Training for anything with that 100 mile week or just to get to a goal? I broke the century club twice last winter - physically I was OK, mentally I was beat. I topped out at 109 one week - that's my high water mark...

Good luck!
Really it's just to get a goal. It's been a life goal for a while and given that I am shooting for 1,000 this year having the three weeks where I will run 50, 75 and 100 basically means that I am banking about 165 miles, which I will certainly need in some of my busier parts of the year. Plus, it gives me some short term goals so that come March when my knees are feeling sore and my ankle is a little tender but I am still over 700 miles away from my target I can't bullshit myself and put off training.

Can you give me some advice on how you did it? Any particular quirks or things to look out for?

Also, what was your program? I have bounced around a bunch of ideas with folks I respect, and opinions are all over the map. I am thinking of setting up as follows:

Monday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Tuesday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Wednesday: 5 or rest
Thursday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Friday: 5 + any make up mileage
Saturday: morning: 10 evening: 5
Sunday: 15
 

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Well, I dropped a whole two seconds off my pace! Someone remind me not to run two marathons within 3 months again....

4:16:48 (9:48)

I was heading for a 9:35 pace until my hamstring gave out at 24 miles.
 

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Really it's just to get a goal. It's been a life goal for a while and given that I am shooting for 1,000 this year having the three weeks where I will run 50, 75 and 100 basically means that I am banking about 165 miles, which I will certainly need in some of my busier parts of the year. Plus, it gives me some short term goals so that come March when my knees are feeling sore and my ankle is a little tender but I am still over 700 miles away from my target I can't bullshit myself and put off training.

Can you give me some advice on how you did it? Any particular quirks or things to look out for?

Also, what was your program? I have bounced around a bunch of ideas with folks I respect, and opinions are all over the map. I am thinking of setting up as follows:

Monday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Tuesday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Wednesday: 5 or rest
Thursday - morning: 10 evening: 10
Friday: 5 + any make up mileage
Saturday: morning: 10 evening: 5
Sunday: 15
Couple of comments:

1. Start doing the doubles before that and ramp up and I wouldn't suggest more than 5-6 the '2nd' session - my doubles were never more than that and make sure the pace is definitely a notch down - for me my 2nd shorter run was a min/mile slower than my 1st

2. I would do 20 on Sunday - if you're doing 100+ miles, 20 should be no problem, espicially if you're ramping up.

3. Try to do it on 7 days - by then you will be trained enough to handle the 7 straight days (hell, I think I did 35 straight days once) - this will help you not get injured also doing those crazy doubles outlined above

I'll have to go back in my logs and see but I think I did the following (and I would recommend something similiar)

S: AM: 22 PM: 4 (26)
M: 12 (38)
T: AM: 9 PM: 4 (51)
W: 10 (61)
R: AM: 9 PM: 4 (74)
F: AM: 9 PM: 4 (87)
S: 18 (105)

Give or take some miles that's sorta what I did. I tried to break up the doubles and consistently did the mileage throughout the week.

Well, I dropped a whole two seconds off my pace! Someone remind me not to run two marathons within 3 months again....

4:16:48 (9:48)

I was heading for a 9:35 pace until my hamstring gave out at 24 miles.
Nice! Which did you run? Phoenix or Houston?
 

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Phoenix. Nice course. I felt like I had a lot left at the end in terms of energy, but my legs just couldn't take it. I couldn't even pick it up for the last mile because I was afraid something would blow out.

Running with my new Garmin 305 was damn nice, though.

Definitely not racing until the Run to Remember in May.
 

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I am now within 5 weeks of my first marathon. Did a 20 miler last Sunday. That was an asswhip mainly due to the fact I had been out late the night before and had gotten little sleep. But, I did finish it.

Did a 14 miler yesterday which was very comfortable. Have also started doing intervals on Mondays simply as a way to stretch out my legs after the long distance Sunday runs. They are proving to be very helpful.
 

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Well, I dropped a whole two seconds off my pace! Someone remind me not to run two marathons within 3 months again....

4:16:48 (9:48)

I was heading for a 9:35 pace until my hamstring gave out at 24 miles.
Well done. I once ran two half marathons in the same summer where I posted the EXACT same time, right down to the second. Talk about consistency.

Oh, and don't run two marathons in a three month span.

Does anyone know of any half-marathons coming up in the greater Boston area(maybe April/May) that don't require a car? T, buses, commuter rail are okay with me. I'm searching for a goal right now...
 

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Well, I dropped a whole two seconds off my pace! Someone remind me not to run two marathons within 3 months again....

4:16:48 (9:48)

I was heading for a 9:35 pace until my hamstring gave out at 24 miles.

Congrats Steve.

Paging Bongorific...I want to hear about the Disney Half Marathon.

Also, I signed up for my third half marathon - The Oklahoma City Memorial Half on April 27. It's supposed to be a good course and a very emotionally inspiring race. I can't wait.

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Does anyone know of any half-marathons coming up in the greater Boston area(maybe April/May) that don't require a car? T, buses, commuter rail are okay with me. I'm searching for a goal right now...
There is rumor of a half marathon in Providence between Boston and VCM also. I wouldn't have mentioned it, but the commuter rail goes to Providence I believe.
 

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Yeah the Cox Providence marathon and half is the first weekend in May I believe.

Today's weather sure puts a damper on the outdoor runs. :D
 

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Yeah the Cox Providence marathon and half is the first weekend in May I believe.

Today's weather sure puts a damper on the outdoor runs. :D
I'm getting ready for my 7x1m run around my neighborhood in this slop. My neighbors think I'm nuts but hey it's safer than hitting the main roads. The plows have done a good job so far - the visible pavement should do enough.
 

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Sadly (okay, maybe not so sadly...), I will be in Tahoe the weekend of May 25. Damn weddings. It's just my luck with these things. Providence could do....

I just need a goal especially for days like today where running outside is not totally an option....I *hate* treadmills. I'll do it, but my mental limit is about 30 minutes.
 

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Sadly (okay, maybe not so sadly...), I will be in Tahoe the weekend of May 25. Damn weddings. It's just my luck with these things. Providence could do....

I just need a goal especially for days like today where running outside is not totally an option....I *hate* treadmills. I'll do it, but my mental limit is about 30 minutes.

First, concerning shin splints, I have had very good luck both preventing and "curing" them with the following simple exercise that can be performed either standing or laying on your back. If standing, get close enough to a wall so you can use it for support and, alternating feet, tap your toes, first forward a number of times (20?), then pointed in (20), and pointed out (20). Continue this until you no longer can - it will hurt a bit. If you do this lying down on your back, lift your feet in the air and, again alternating feet, point and flex your foot, toes forward, for 20 reps, then toes pointed in (20), and out (20) until you no longer can. This exercise has been successful in preventing shin splints for almost everyone I have shown it to. Good luck.

On crappy snowy, icy days like today when running outside is a dangerous proposition, might I suggest you try XC skiing. If you are not training for a specific race, XC is a great run alternative, and a fantastic cardio (really all body) workout. Great Brook Farm in Carlisle, MA has groomed trails, lessons, and rental equipment if you want to try it out. Either that or you could rent equipment at your local REI and head out to a golf course and give it a go. I actually liked this so much after trying it a few winters back that I started racing Nordic and had some success with the classical style and had my culo kicked in the freestyle (or skate) races.
 

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Paging Bongorific...I want to hear about the Disney Half Marathon.
Just got back a couple of days ago. As previously stated, I've never run in any type of race before; not even a 5K. So I'm not sure how the Disney race compares to others, but I can offer my experiences:

I finished the race in 2:34. I was pretty happy with my time. I figured I'd be around a 11-12 minute pace. I was actually running at a better pace during many sections. The race is pretty crowded at 16,000. We started in 3 waves and I was in the last coral of the 2nd wave. The pack definitely slowed me down. During all of the highway sections I ran 10 minute miles, but during other sections it got pretty crowded. I spent a majority of the race weaving in out of slower runners and walkers. However, the course is pretty flat so there aren't too many hills to screw up your pace. I also stopped twice for a few minutes at the 4 miles and 8 miles marks to chat with my family. My goal when I signed up with Team in Training was to be able to run 13.1 miles. I wasn't concerned with getting my absolute best time. I walked for about a quarter mile during mile 11 on a long uphill bridge, but ran the rest. I did a slow jog through the water stations.

The timing of the day was pretty crazy. Buses picked up runners at the Disney resorts from 3am-4am. The TNT people wanted to be on the 3am bus. I expected I would have trouble sleeping the night before due to nerves and being used to going to be around 1am most nights. I was able to fall asleep around 11:30pm and slept until 2:30am. When we arrived at the course around 3:30am, there were a few hundred people. We checked our bags and sat around/stretched. There were live bands and other entertainment. Around 4:15 there was huge flood of participants ariving. By 5:15 or so we made our way to the corals. The first coral went off at 6am. Mickey, Minnie, and other Disney characters kicked off the race, and there were fireworks when each coral started. I crossed the starting line around 6:25am. I walked about .5-.75 miles from where the buses dropped us off to the starting line, so I didn't bother with a warm-up jog. Miles 5-7 are throughout Magic Kingdom which is really cool. In addition to regular spectators, Disney characters are everywhere and many runners stop to take pictures with them. One thing I noticed about the Disney marathon (which could be true of most), a lot of people are there to have fun instead of setting their personal best. The restrooms were also open in the park, so instead of having to wait at a port-a-potty during the street course, I ran in and out of one of the park restrooms which took under a minute. Disney also does a great job with pictures. On Friday, all of my pictures will be posted online. I type in my bib number, and any pictures with me in them are posted for download or purchase prints. There were at least 3 points, including the finish line, where photographers take everyone's individual picture. As with the Disney parks, the marathon weekend was run efficiently, professionally, and with an eye toward everyone having fun.

I'm going to post my fundraising efforts in the P&G thread I started awhile ago once I get my financial statement and a summary of the TNT program as a whole. If anyone has any other questions regarding the Disney Marathon weekend more specifically, feel free to ask. I'll post some pictures once I get them.
 

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Thanks guys. I'm trying a bastardized version of the help...aka, I'm toing the toe taps (which really works that spot!), keeping my strides low, and running the stairs before doing my one-mile run. I feel like I'm slowly but surely working through it. Sometimes I wonder what I'd do in life w/o SoSH...haha, only fooling, but the resources that you guys provide are varying and awesome.
 

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Thanks guys. I'm trying a bastardized version of the help...aka, I'm toing the toe taps (which really works that spot!), keeping my strides low, and running the stairs before doing my one-mile run. I feel like I'm slowly but surely working through it. Sometimes I wonder what I'd do in life w/o SoSH...haha, only fooling, but the resources that you guys provide are varying and awesome.

By the way, if you want to get really into your stride (and take your mind off of other things while running), you should be shooting for 83-89 footplants per minute. That means that your right foot should hit the ground 83-89 times per minute. Great runners prefer being in the low to mid 90s, but 83-89 seems to be the best for the low stride form that I use.
 

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Just got back a couple of days ago. As previously stated, I've never run in any type of race before; not even a 5K. So I'm not sure how the Disney race compares to others, but I can offer my experiences:
Congratulations! The first is always hardest, and once you complete that one, you're hooked.

You should run some 5Ks...I think they're a lot of fun. Especially the ones with free beer afterwards. :buddy:
 

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Congratulations! The first is always hardest, and once you complete that one, you're hooked.

You should run some 5Ks...I think they're a lot of fun. Especially the ones with free beer afterwards. :buddy:
Disney was the experience of a lifetime. I definitely want to do some more races. Maybe another half in the summer after the bar exam and some 5 or 10ks before that. Free beer? Seriously? Where is this?
 

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Disney was the experience of a lifetime. I definitely want to do some more races. Maybe another half in the summer after the bar exam and some 5 or 10ks before that. Free beer? Seriously? Where is this?
It's not like it used to be, but there are still a LOT of races in the late spring/summer with free adult beverages after the race. My top 3 best post drinking races are:

* Khoury's Summer Steamer / Winter Challenge
* Baldi River Run - Haverhill / May
* East End Road Race - Lowell / Oct

With too many other honorable mentions :buddy:
 

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Other free beer races (both in my neck of the woods):

Red Hook 5k (Memorial day weekend) in Portsmouth - one free beer per person (boo)

Saunders Rye Harbor 10k (Rye,NH) usually a Thursday night in August - unlimited free beer - its simply amazing. They have a BEER TRUCK at this thing. Bring a driver. Also its a great course and a historical race - been run for over 30 years.
 

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The Somerville Striders "Lets Run" Series --- 4 (or is it five) races on a Wednesday night in May, June, July, August (and September), starting at the Marsh American Legion Post in Cambridge. Barbeque and beer after every race, and a really nice local group of runners.

These folks (through BA Events) host a ton of races throughout the year, and beer is almost always available afterwards.

Several SOSH Running Dogs will be down in Hyannis next month for their 10K/Half/Marathon races, which end with a medal, hot soup, and beer. Doesn't get much better than that in February!
 

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It's not like it used to be, but there are still a LOT of races in the late spring/summer with free adult beverages after the race. My top 3 best post drinking races are:

* Khoury's Summer Steamer / Winter Challenge
* Baldi River Run - Haverhill / May
* East End Road Race - Lowell / Oct

With too many other honorable mentions :rolling:

Does anyone remember the Freedom Trail road race? It was a 7 miler along the (duh) Freedom Trail that ended with a huge block party in the Financial District, which was closed down (it was held on a Sunday) until the wee hours of the morning. Free beer, bands, food, and a drunken mess always followed that race. Good times.
 

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Austin's 3M Half Marathon is this coming weekend. Initial forecast for that day is sunny and 68 degrees so it should be a comfy 55 degrees at the start. Perfect!

I'll be running 6 miles prior to the race, then running the 13.1 and then topping it off with a 3 mile trot so I'll get in my 22 mile long distance day prior to the Feb. 17 Marathon.

I have to say that all of this training has given me so much confidence in my running. I really feel good about it and I'm chomping at the bit to race.
 

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Austin's 3M Half Marathon is this coming weekend. Initial forecast for that day is sunny and 68 degrees so it should be a comfy 55 degrees at the start. Perfect!

I'll be running 6 miles prior to the race, then running the 13.1 and then topping it off with a 3 mile trot so I'll get in my 22 mile long distance day prior to the Feb. 17 Marathon.

I have to say that all of this training has given me so much confidence in my running. I really feel good about it and I'm chomping at the bit to race.
Good luck! Maybe someday I'll make it to Austin for this one...
 

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Good luck to you in the half, Aus. I ran the full down there in 04 (spent the entire race listening to the breaking news that ARod had been traded to the Yankees on Feb 14 -- the next Valentine's Day Massacre, or so they said -- I thought I was going to be sick for the first half of the race) and again in 06.

Ran Dallas this year, and will be back in Austin if I run another one in Texas. Much better than White Rock, and a fast course. It has been rated as the fastest course in the country, so if you are going for a PR or trying to qualify for Boston, that is the one for you.

Kind of sad I didn't do it this year, but hindsight being what it is....
 

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Does anyone remember the Freedom Trail road race? It was a 7 miler along the (duh) Freedom Trail that ended with a huge block party in the Financial District, which was closed down (it was held on a Sunday) until the wee hours of the morning. Free beer, bands, food, and a drunken mess always followed that race. Good times.
Fris you must have some great stories - I've only been running in the area for 4-5 years now and a lot of those fun-sounding races are gone now. A lot of the older guys I run with are always mentioning races that are no longer - it must have been fun running/racing back in the heydays of running. I heard from Dave Camire a while ago that he was writing a book about New England running in the 70s/80s - that would be a fun read.

Good luck to those running Austin, Derry and other places this weekend. Next week it's either the Stew Chase or the Super 5K for me...
 

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I just ran another time trial to get a better feel for my pace going into next week's Super 5k and ultimately the Hyannis Half Marathon at the end of the month. I was very pleased with my time of 33:42 over this 4.95 mile loop. Using MacMillan's calculator (after adding 21 seconds, 7min/mi pace) for 5 miles it estimates I can run 20:32 for 5k and about 1:35 for the HM.

The time trial was very helpful because I was able to practice warming up in the 7 degree temp at 6am! I can't imagine it will be colder than that for any race I'm going to run.

My long term goal is still a BQ of 3:15 in the fall. One of my other goals this year is to drop down to 168-170 from my current weight of 179. I'm 5'10 so I dont need to be dragging around that much weight. Anyone have good experiences dropping that kind of weight? I will probably lose 5 lbs during marathon training alone because I'll be running 40+ miles per week. And no cutting beer out entirely isnt an option :)
 

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One of my other goals this year is to drop down to 168-170 from my current weight of 179. I'm 5'10 so I dont need to be dragging around that much weight. Anyone have good experiences dropping that kind of weight? I will probably lose 5 lbs during marathon training alone because I'll be running 40+ miles per week. And no cutting beer out entirely isnt an option :)
Metabolically, muscle consumes fat. Build better muscle mass and the fat melts away. you'll look better, feel better and be stronger. But don't overdo it. a nice regimen is to work upper body on monday and friday, then work legs and glutes on wednesday the first week. on the second week switch to legs on Monday & Friday and do upper body on Wednesday. Alternating weeks like that with the rest, you won't injure yourself. That leaves Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays for cardio / pulmonary work.

Of course diet figures into it too. Be sure to consume a little protein at every meal and reduce sugar intake. This kind of approach is generally effective for healthy people. Best of luck.
 

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My long term goal is still a BQ of 3:15 in the fall. One of my other goals this year is to drop down to 168-170 from my current weight of 179. I'm 5'10 so I dont need to be dragging around that much weight. Anyone have good experiences dropping that kind of weight? I will probably lose 5 lbs during marathon training alone because I'll be running 40+ miles per week. And no cutting beer out entirely isnt an option :)
Don't expect too much weight loss from the extra training - remember you'll also be a lot more hungry as well :)

10lbs is a pretty reasonable goal - I would just concentrate on eating better and eating more often (snacks such as fruit - I eat 3/4 grannie smiths during the week a day).
 

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Checking in here on this Monday morning one day after my 22 mile prep run which included the 3M Half Marathon. Woke up at 5am on Sunday and ran 8 miles to the start. Ended up running the 3M Half in 1:55:35 so I was pretty happy about that considering those were miles 9-21 on my workout for the day. First leg I was at a 9:20 mile and the second leg I was at a 8:20 mile. After crossing the finish, I did a 1 mile cooldown run which was pretty damn painful.

All things considered though, after yesterday, I think a sub 4 hour marathon (3 weeks to go!) is not out of the question.
 

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Checking in here on this Monday morning one day after my 22 mile prep run which included the 3M Half Marathon. Woke up at 5am on Sunday and ran 8 miles to the start. Ended up running the 3M Half in 1:55:35 so I was pretty happy about that considering those were miles 9-21 on my workout for the day. First leg I was at a 9:20 mile and the second leg I was at a 8:20 mile. After crossing the finish, I did a 1 mile cooldown run which was pretty damn painful.

All things considered though, after yesterday, I think a sub 4 hour marathon (3 weeks to go!) is not out of the question.
You are definitely in great shape for a 4 hour marathon. Those are right in the zone of the times I was putting up when I ran my 3:53 at Philadelphia.

By the way, when I tapered I did absolutely nothing. I sat on my ass the entire two weeks. I guess everyone tapers differently but I was fighting off a cold and didn't want to weaken myself, I wanted to get to the starting line strong and healthy. I felt like an ox on the day, I honestly believe that I could have put up a 3:45 if I had wanted to roll the dice at the halfway mark.

So basically, take tapering really seriously.
 

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Metabolically, muscle consumes fat. Build better muscle mass and the fat melts away. you'll look better, feel better and be stronger. But don't overdo it. a nice regimen is to work upper body on monday and friday, then work legs and glutes on wednesday the first week. on the second week switch to legs on Monday & Friday and do upper body on Wednesday. Alternating weeks like that with the rest, you won't injure yourself. That leaves Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays for cardio / pulmonary work.

Thanks for the feedback, but I barely have enough time to get my running in. Although I do recognize some weight training would probably help. There are a lot of hills where I live to I try to use them instead of extra weights.

Of course diet figures into it too. Be sure to consume a little protein at every meal and reduce sugar intake. This kind of approach is generally effective for healthy people. Best of luck.
10lbs is a pretty reasonable goal - I would just concentrate on eating better and eating more often (snacks such as fruit - I eat 3/4 grannie smiths during the week a day).
Diet is something I have to do better with. I dont drink coffee, but I do go through 2 cans of Diet Pepsi every workday. I'm trying to get myself to eat more fruit as snacks and water instead of soda. Adding protein is something I'll try as well.
 

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Checking in here on this Monday morning one day after my 22 mile prep run which included the 3M Half Marathon. Woke up at 5am on Sunday and ran 8 miles to the start. Ended up running the 3M Half in 1:55:35 so I was pretty happy about that considering those were miles 9-21 on my workout for the day. First leg I was at a 9:20 mile and the second leg I was at a 8:20 mile. After crossing the finish, I did a 1 mile cooldown run which was pretty damn painful.

All things considered though, after yesterday, I think a sub 4 hour marathon (3 weeks to go!) is not out of the question.
congrats! That is fantastic.
 

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Checking in here on this Monday morning one day after my 22 mile prep run which included the 3M Half Marathon. Woke up at 5am on Sunday and ran 8 miles to the start. Ended up running the 3M Half in 1:55:35 so I was pretty happy about that considering those were miles 9-21 on my workout for the day. First leg I was at a 9:20 mile and the second leg I was at a 8:20 mile. After crossing the finish, I did a 1 mile cooldown run which was pretty damn painful.

All things considered though, after yesterday, I think a sub 4 hour marathon (3 weeks to go!) is not out of the question.
You're is great shape for a sub -4, especially down there. I'd echo what Yammer said about the taper down. Drop your miles significantly from here on out -- you know you can do the distance, and the last 6 miles are all mental, anyway. Continuing the long runs (like I did the first time) will beat your body down and do more bad than good. Now, all you want to do is keep your legs moving and not be an idiot. Do that, and you'll be on your way. Good luck!