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This Harpoon run is very cool. It was hot and humid come race time, thank god for the beer afterwards! At the start I felt a good run eas possible. After the run I have to say I did the best I could on this day. 6th overall and 29:26. Some fast sum a gun took first in my AG so no free beer for me. Drat! Cheers all!
 

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Dumb question....

I am by no means a serious runner, however to lose some weight I started using an under used tread mill we had. When we bought it 5 years ago it was pretty nice and was still in nice shape.

After about 6 months of 3-4 time a week running I was up to 3.5 miles in about 35 mins. I could do a mile in about 8:15 and 2 in the high 17s.

I ran on the road once during that time and ran a 1.25 mile in 13:15....or much slower then my Treadmill pace.

Well that old treadmill broke. (Platform broke). I could have replaced it for about $225 shipped with me doing the work. Instead we looked around and decided to buy a new on for about 850.

Brought it home and started running. I found it much harder. Like I could I barely do 2 miles. A mile in 12 was excellent.

Well the new one broke (but at least Nordic track is fixing it.) After about 8 days of inactivity I decided I should go for a road run.

I ran the same 1.25 in 12:39.

I had only had the new TM for about 2 weeks and there has not been a significant amount of time training since that first street run.

SO...despite much more inactivity and frankly crappier eating habbits I ran on the road 30 secs faster.

My thoughts is that the New Tread mill more closely imitates the road. Could this be true?

At first i was a bit bummed that I had fallen off from my previous peak....but maybe its a blessing.

I know that the old treadmill I had seemed to have more "shock absorption" then the newer one. Is that the answer?

Just looking for feedback.
 

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QUOTE (bakahump @ Jun 7 2010, 10:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3009986
Dumb question....

I am by no means a serious runner, however to lose some weight I started using an under used tread mill we had. When we bought it 5 years ago it was pretty nice and was still in nice shape.

After about 6 months of 3-4 time a week running I was up to 3.5 miles in about 35 mins. I could do a mile in about 8:15 and 2 in the high 17s.

I ran on the road once during that time and ran a 1.25 mile in 13:15....or much slower then my Treadmill pace.

Well that old treadmill broke. (Platform broke). I could have replaced it for about $225 shipped with me doing the work. Instead we looked around and decided to buy a new on for about 850.

Brought it home and started running. I found it much harder. Like I could I barely do 2 miles. A mile in 12 was excellent.

Well the new one broke (but at least Nordic track is fixing it.) After about 8 days of inactivity I decided I should go for a road run.

I ran the same 1.25 in 12:39.

I had only had the new TM for about 2 weeks and there has not been a significant amount of time training since that first street run.

SO...despite much more inactivity and frankly crappier eating habbits I ran on the road 30 secs faster.

My thoughts is that the New Tread mill more closely imitates the road. Could this be true?

At first i was a bit bummed that I had fallen off from my previous peak....but maybe its a blessing.

I know that the old treadmill I had seemed to have more "shock absorption" then the newer one. Is that the answer?

Just looking for feedback.


You might try measuring the belt then going for a run of a couple minutes and counting the number of times the belt goes around by making a mark on the belt that you (or someone watching) can count. With that count you can calculate the amount of distance traveled (length of belt x number of time belt goes around). You can calculate how far you expected to go using the speed the treadmill was set at for the entire length of your run. This will help you determine if you need to adjust your times based on how accurate your treadmill speed is. For example, my treadmill at home says I'm running at 8:57 pace, but in reality I was running at 8:26 pace, a 6% difference. I make sure to add .06 to every mile run to accurately reflect how far I went.

Depending on the weather conditions, you may find you are able to run faster outside. I know I do. On a treadmill the air is pretty stagnant around you, while outside you have the air moving over you as you run helping to cool you down allowing your body to focus on running rather than keeping cool.
 

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QUOTE (underhandtofirst @ Jun 7 2010, 11:22 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3010000
You might try measuring the belt then going for a run of a couple minutes and counting the number of times the belt goes around by making a mark on the belt that you (or someone watching) can count. With that count you can calculate the amount of distance traveled (length of belt x number of time belt goes around). You can calculate how far you expected to go using the speed the treadmill was set at for the entire length of your run. This will help you determine if you need to adjust your times based on how accurate your treadmill speed is. For example, my treadmill at home says I'm running at 8:57 pace, but in reality I was running at 8:26 pace, a 6% difference. I make sure to add .06 to every mile run to accurately reflect how far I went.

Depending on the weather conditions, you may find you are able to run faster outside. I know I do. On a treadmill the air is pretty stagnant around you, while outside you have the air moving over you as you run helping to cool you down allowing your body to focus on running rather than keeping cool.


One big thing I forgot was that my original 13:12 run....was on a VERY windy day. The second run from this past weekend was basically no wind and a slight mist to keep cool. That could account for my :30 gain.

I really like/d running on the TM. Especially when it "Said" I was running faster then I evidently was. The new TM bums me to no end. I just keep thinking "How can I go from under 10 pretty easily....to 11 min pace killing me?" All in the mind....

The other weird thing is I know I was running faster on the old TM....I was "able to run faster". On the new TM....I just cant...at least not to the level I was. Again...is it really mental???

Thanks for the measuring idea.....naively I figured "If it says 7.2MPH....then all TMs are gonna be going 7.2!" It makes perfect sense though that there is some noticeable variation between machines. Shoulda thought of it myself...
 

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QUOTE (bakahump @ Jun 7 2010, 02:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3010218
The other weird thing is I know I was running faster on the old TM....I was "able to run faster". On the new TM....I just cant...at least not to the level I was. Again...is it really mental???


Was the old TM longer? That would allow a longer stride rather than forcing you to use choppy steps. It could be that there is more resistance on the belt on the current TM.

While they are fixing the new TM, maybe they can do some sort of calibration for the speed.
 

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QUOTE (bakahump @ Jun 7 2010, 10:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3009986
Dumb question....

Just looking for feedback.


When I first returned to running (the getting out and exercising kind) I checked my Timex to see if today's run was 1 sec faster than yesterday. That of course was more significant when I purchased the Garmin about 1 year later since it was more precise. It escalated further when I started racing as my obsession was about the best time (can't say it has changed much). Lately though, for my training runs it's been about what pace feels good for that run. I actually posted a 5k PR and then won a race (yes, me!) without my crutch...er Garmin. And I have been reading some articles from Pete Magill where he suggests training "by feel" and time vs pace (get out and run for a set time). I've got say that lately, my Garmin is along to document the ride rather than the be all, end all of my runs...though I still obsess about my race times! I have to say this notion of running by feel to achieve a certain time works for me better than worrying whether my run was faster/slower than yesterday.

I guess my point is that you shouldn't worry about whether the treadmill lines up with your roadwork. Ultimately if you want to run faster, run farther and more often. This is true no matter what your pace. If you choose to use the treadmill, from memory, it should have an incline of between 1% and 2% to simulate the "real world". It's deceptively easy to run on a treadmilll though satisfying for the same reason. Are you enjoying your runs? I hope so since it takes up a decent amount of most people's time (and sometimes sleep if you have wife & kids like me). Get out or in, run for x amount of time, and consider yourself better than the day before. Eventually, the results will speak for themselves, whether you choose to race or continue knocking out the miles week by week.

I stole the words below from a post Pete made somewhere....Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php...0#ixzz0qPsKvkAO

Longer is about duration, not distance.

And faster is about motion, not pace.

Duration is not measured by miles. It's measured by our ability to get out there every day (or twice a day) without interruption due to overtraining, injury, etc. An easy pace trains us as well as a faster pace - better, if we spend more time on the roads and trails and less on our couch recovering from tendonitis, PF, etc.

Motion is not improved by picking up the pace. It's improved by better mechanics - by technique drills, hill reps, and the efficiency gained by consistent endurance training (all those long, slow distance runs). And then it's improved by incorporating our improved stride into carefully plotted out interval and fartlek sessions

Enjoy yourself while running.

Cheers,

Roland
 

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That's a great post, Roland. I pretty much learned to run this way when running track and XC in high school. Very little was timed except for race results. We weren't allowed to time ourselves during races, (league rules) so we never bothered during the workouts. The coach would time some speed workouts, but kept the numbers to himself. It forced us to work on what was important rather than constantly trying to compete against the clock. Worry about the clock on race day, and that's it.

Since I started back up this year, I started out timing my workout runs too (and generally being disappointed that I'm so slow now...) until I remembered how I started out as a runner way back when. I time them as a record, but don't bother looking at anything while running. I also don't care if I'm slower today than I was yesterday; I'm running based on how I feel that day, and that's it. It's help keep me focused, and the quality of my runs has improved dramatically over the last 6-8 weeks or so.
 

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Great feedback guys.

Though I admit I may have trouble mentally doing it.

Previously I have kept a log (i dont know if thats common or kosher) of pretty much every tread mill run I have made over the last 6-8 months.

I figured.....If I ran 1.5 miles in 16 mins yesterday I should be able to run 1.5 miles in 15:55 today. I would then mix it up by doing a mile one day....2 the next couple then another mile day followed by a 3 miler. Some weeks might be all 2 milers. Some might be 2 3 milers etc etc. It was pretty random but the chaos was balanced by the numbers.


X speed at Y distance yesterday (last week) meant I should be capable of X+ speed at Y distance today (this week). Over the course of months I saw my times drop consistantly and it gave me the sense of accomplishing something.

It was very incremental and I added distance as I felt comfortable.

I will probably be back to square one....once the TM gets fixed.

So this made me feel better......go at my pace...as many times as I can....and go from there.


Still it will be tough as I know I will want to sneak a peak at the TM Display.
 

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I just picked up the Garmin 305 for running. Anyone have any insight on which site is the best for tracking all my data? Garmin Connect, Map my run and Daily Mile all seem to support the Garmin? Which are the best, any missing any features, etc?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
 

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I use both Garmin Connect and Daily Mile. Garmin connect stores a lot more data than the Daily Mile. The Daily Mile is great because it is tremendously motivating to share in the goals of others, share your goals with others, and get advice and support.

Join the SoSH Running Dogs Group on the Daily Mile if you haven't already.
 

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QUOTE (bakahump @ Jun 14 2010, 02:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3024078
Great feedback guys.

Though I admit I may have trouble mentally doing it.

Previously I have kept a log (i dont know if thats common or kosher) of pretty much every tread mill run I have made over the last 6-8 months.

I figured.....If I ran 1.5 miles in 16 mins yesterday I should be able to run 1.5 miles in 15:55 today. I would then mix it up by doing a mile one day....2 the next couple then another mile day followed by a 3 miler. Some weeks might be all 2 milers. Some might be 2 3 milers etc etc. It was pretty random but the chaos was balanced by the numbers.


X speed at Y distance yesterday (last week) meant I should be capable of X+ speed at Y distance today (this week). Over the course of months I saw my times drop consistantly and it gave me the sense of accomplishing something.

It was very incremental and I added distance as I felt comfortable.

I will probably be back to square one....once the TM gets fixed.

So this made me feel better......go at my pace...as many times as I can....and go from there.


Still it will be tough as I know I will want to sneak a peak at the TM Display.


Baka, I too check my logs via the Garmin though I'm more anal about how many miles vs. how fast per mile these days. Mostly I wanted to convey that you need not micro analyze every run. Some days you'll feel good, others not so much. I check my Garmin pace against how a particular run "felt" and keep track of the trends. You should expect times to drop the more you run. The best improvement to your running will come from more running. My race pace has dropped well over 1 min/mile by exceeding my initial limit of 20 MPW. There has been a similar improvement in training paces. I would suggest if time permits, you look for one day a week to run longer than the previous week's distance. For instance, my normal runs are 6-8 miles each and once a week I try for a 12+ mile run. Obviously, take it easy on the jumps (maybe...10% or 1/2 mile whichever is greater).

That said, the treadmill makes it tough to ignore pace since you must adjust to it rather than the other way around. Still, you can speed up/dn until you find a groove and go with it. Log the pace and focus on trends rather than any particular day's results. And try a 5k race sometime. It's a great motivator and, for myself, it gives purpose to all those miles I log.
 

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QUOTE (Dernells Casket n Flagon @ Jun 15 2010, 12:08 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3024846
I just picked up the Garmin 305 for running. Anyone have any insight on which site is the best for tracking all my data? Garmin Connect, Map my run and Daily Mile all seem to support the Garmin? Which are the best, any missing any features, etc?

Thanks in advance for any advice.


I use runningahead.com for my main running log. It has a customizable summary page along with some nice some nice search functions, course maker, report and graphing tools. Garminconnect is nice for the player function, but I havent found it to be very flexible.

My other running log is using some software called sporttracks from zonefixsoftware. It is more designed for biking, but it has some interesting plugins such as training load which helps monitor fatigue and fitness over time. There was some terrific graphs of your performance. The software is pretty imtimidating, but being a numbers guy I like it. I would say most people would find it way over the top.

I'm on dailymile to interact with other runners which has been a great experience. I dont run with anyone so DM provides daily conversation with other runners about the ups and downs of training. You can see that everyone else has good and bad days.
 

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Hey all. So, I have started training for the Nike Women's Marathon in SF in October through Team in Training. True to form for the organization, I'm one of those not particularly athletic types just getting into it. So, it'll likely be a half marathon and more of a walk/run than a run or run/walk. Still, I guess the point is to get out there and do it, right?

Adding to the complications is that I have fairly annoying foot pain. I suspect it's a case of plantar fasciitis (in both feet), but I'm trying to see a doctor to see. Pretty much any time I'm on my feet is at least a little bit painful. Regardless, I'm still doing a 30-40 minute walk/run as often as I can. The TNT folks put together a training program, so I'm just following that.

Congrats to everyone here doing some awesome work.
 

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Congrats to you Gaelgirl for having the courage to take on such a challenge. Finishing a half marathon, however you do it, is a great goal. I used Jeff Galloway's run/walk method for my first half last year. Walk breaks are a great way to add distance and duration to your runs. For starters, it helps you stay on your feet longer which is part of the battle and it also uses different muscles which can help to loosen things up.

My wife really wants to do that marathon. Something about firefighters in tuxes handing out Tiffany medals.

As far as plantar fascistis goes, two things have worked for me. First, put a tennis ball on the ground and massage your bare foot with it for about 5 minutes. This can be done while seated. Do this several times a day. Second, and a little bit more painfully, curl your toes downward as hard as you can. Really squeeze tightly. Hold for about 30 seconds and then point your toes toward the ceiling. The first few times you do this it really hurts. It made my eyes tear. But gradually it helps stretch and strengthen your feet and your plantar fascitis will be a thing of the past.

Consider joining us on the Daily Mile. We're in the group SoSH running dogs. It's an excellent way to get great advice and stay motivated. Don't worry about your pace.

TNT is awesome. Good for you. Long may you run.
 

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QUOTE (AusTexSoxFan @ Jun 14 2010, 05:16 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3024279
Hadn't dropped in this forum in a while and just now read about Joe SixPack's Great Wall of China marathon. WOW!

Much props to you dude. Incredible achievement.


Thanks! Unfortunately it resulted in me getting a stress fracture in the 2nd metatarsal of my left foot and I'm out of commission for at least another month (doc estimated 8-12 weeks from when I last ran based on the location of the fracture). Very frustrating to be sidelined this long when I was at such a great point in my training and how I was feeling.
 

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QUOTE (gaelgirl @ Jun 16 2010, 03:22 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3027345
... So, I have started training for the Nike Women's Marathon in SF in October through Team in Training. True to form for the organization, I'm one of those not particularly athletic types just getting into it. So, it'll likely be a half marathon and more of a walk/run than a run or run/walk. Still, I guess the point is to get out there and do it, right?

Gaelgirl - always great to see someone making a commitment like this. Training for and completing a long race is an enormously satisfying achievement.

The only substantive comment I would make as you look at the road ahead is to do some research on TNT's training plan, think about it relative to your own fitness level and time commitment you can make, and then make your own plan, write it down somewhere, and stick to it. There is nothing magic or complicated about training for endurance events. It's a lot of work (albeit very enjoyable work), and ultimately the Trial of Miles, done sensibly and with a specific goal (like a race), is the way to go. You make the commitment, you make the plan, you stick to it and the next thing you know you're at the finish line. You'll do great.

And you should join our little group at The Daily Mile. It's a great motivator.

Good luck.
 

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Ok, I have no idea if anyone in here has ever had an issue like this, but I'm hoping some one can help. Cross posted from the Help forum...

For the last year have been dealing with some heel pain. It's only at the very back of my heel and is more of a bother after I run, not during my runs. Recent xrays showed no problems and so it was diagnosed as Achilles tendon bursitis or Tendocalcaneal Bursitis as I've found it called on the web.

I got treatment for two months leading up to my last half marathon and at the insistence of my physical therapist, I've not run at all since late May. I've been told to stick to the elliptical, but unfortunately, I'm still feeling a tiny bit of heel pain after those workouts as well. I'm not planning on running until mid July, but I'm starting to worry that this pain isn't going to go away.

So here's my question: all the advice I've gotten just says to stretch, ice, and avoid running. But if this doesn't go away completely, can I run on it? My first full marathon is in December and I've got to start training in July. I can deal with some heel pain on days of long runs; what I need to avoid is having this trigger a larger, more serious injury. Is that possible? Anyone dealt with anything like this before?
 

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Gaelgirl, good luck with your training!

Glad you are seeing a doctor. I went through this about 10 years ago, it was brutal. The first thing they'll ask- is the pain at its worst first thing in the morning, especially that first moment when your feet touch the floor? That's usually a big indicator of plantar fascitis. You might have to get inserts for your shoes. They can be pricey, but they will help. As Trautwein mentioned, stretch your feet out as often as possible. Pay close attention to the shoes you wear daily and when you run/walk. Make sure you have good running shoes that fit well and that you use for running only. Going to a good store that specializes in running for a fitting is worth it. As for daily wear, experiment; see how you feel after wearing different shoes to work. Sometimes switching up or replacing your shoes can make a big difference (it did for me, anyway). Take it easy with the running until you have it under control. You don't want to dread running because it makes your feet hurt. Good luck with it, keep us posted.
 

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70.3 miles. That was the distance between me and the finish line this morning as we lined up for the start of the Patriot Half Iron Triathlon. I have been doing my homework on endurance racing for a while now, and thought I understood most of the issues that one faces when up against a long course race.

But standing there on the beach, facing a 1.2 mile swim, the turn buoy indicating more or less the end of the first half of the swim leg, looked like a speck on the horizon. A half a mile of open water, with no rest stops, no aid stations, nothing but you and the water, can look pretty intimidating. But, I told myself, this is the reward for all the training. I train because I love it, but I also train so I can come out on a beautiful early summer morning and race 70 miles to test myself and see what I can do.

So there we were, 800 or so, at the start. A stunning day, clear as a bell, warm and dry. True to the name of the race, actors dressed as Revolutionary War soldiers stood behind us and fired their muskets to send us off on our journey. Into the water we went. A lovely lake in East Freetown, it was about 73 degrees and calm, which made for a nice swim. But it is a long one. I started out easy, slow, measured strokes, focusing on form and generating power with my core rather than pulling myself with the arms. I had a very specific and well-thought-out race plan for today, which called for about a 35-minute swim. I felt strong and made it to the out buoy with no problems, made the left turn for the return buoy. Made the left at the return buoy, headed for the swim finish. Cruised in at the middle of the pack, comfortable, low HR, feeling good. There’s a maxim in triathlon that you cannot win the race in the swim (there’s too much race left to go) but you can certainly lose it on the swim by going too hard. Not that I was in any danger of winning the race, but the idea holds true for age groupers as well: blow yourself up on the swim, and your day will be short.

Pulled out of the water at 38 minutes, which was OK. I probably could have gone three minutes faster to meet my goal, but swim pacing is very hard to gauge in real time. So I was pleased. Went into T1 easy, knowing that I had some way to go and not wanting to waste any energy in transition. So it was a slow strip of the wetsuit, donning shoes, helmet, etc., and then off onto the bike.

The bike has thus far proven to be my weak suit in races. It’s a long story, but it seems to me that building bike fitness, in particular muscular endurance, is very difficult and incredibly time-consuming. So while I have been very pleased with my progress in running over the past six months, I still have a long way to go on the bike. So I set my goals for the 56-mile bike course modestly: average around 17-18 mph, finish in 3:15 or so, and I should be on course to meet my overall time goal of six hours. Go too hard on the bike, and I would risk blowing up before the run. Go too easy, and I would be disappointed in my overall race time.

The first 20 or so miles went by easy. I had a detailed fuel plan for the race and was very confident that I had the necessary gas in me to make it. I had also spent a lot of time working on my LT problems that had caused me so much difficulty earlier this year, and thought that I had more or less dealt with these issues. So I was pretty confident that my fuel plan along with my training would carry me to my time goal. Through 20, I was slightly above my speed goal, but very comfortable – no lactate issues, no weakness or heaviness in the legs – I felt great. Miles 20-30 were a bit more work due to some hills, but nothing that caused any real discomfort.

Then at about mile 30 I began to feel a slight tugging in my right quad that could only be an incipient cramp. Oh shit, I thought, to go through all this training and preparation, only to blow it on a thigh cramp. I was fueling and drinking and hydrating at all the right levels, but there seemed to be something wrong with my right thigh. It wanted to cramp up, to spasm. So I backed off a bit and spent the next five or so miles figuring out how to generate power without exacerbating the bastard child of the cramp that I did not want to be born. I pedaled with my left leg only. I only used my hammies to pull the pedals up rather than push down. I unclipped and shook my legs out. Coasted on all the downhills rather than pedaling to gain a few seconds. Put the bike in total bail-out gear going up even the slightest hills. And, as luck would have it, the leg responded. The cramp-to-be never ended up materializing fully. There were a few twinges that resembled cramps, especially toward the end and up the last few hills, but for whatever reason, the cramps held off and I made it to the end of the bike in great shape, averaging almost 18 mph, right on target. The odd thing about the cramps is that I seem to get them on very long bike rides, but never when I run. So I was confident that if I could make it to the end of the ride with my legs still intact and firing normally, I would be OK for the run.

So I did indeed make it to the end of the bike, hobbled into transition, changed into my running gear, and headed out for the half-marathon final leg. And it was a bit odd, heading out there in a way – I was absolutely, 100% confident, no doubt whatsoever, that I was going to smoke the run. Once I was off the bike and on the run course, the only thing I focused on was sensing the miles flowing by. I settled into a comfortable pace, about 9:30, and that was it. I was done. I was locked in and I was going to run thirteen miles at that pace. Period. It was kind of strange. I wasn’t even concerned that it was thirteen miles. I just kept playing out my latest long runs in my mind: “OK. Thirteen miles. That’s just to Eastham and back. I can do that.” “OK, ten miles, no problem. That’s just the standard East Orleans Barley Neck-Pochet-Beach Road Course.” “Eight miles, that’s easy. Just the Beach Road to Brick Hill to Tonset Road Run.” “Five miles – you’re kidding. All I have is five miles left? Shit, that’s just Nauset Beach and back.” By the time I hit mile twelve, I was grinning ear to ear. I can run a mile, easy. So I ran that last mile and change and felt like I was really beginning to challenge myself in this whole triathlon thing. Garmin said I was averaging 9:27 miles. I cruised to the line, my legs sore but the right kind of sore, in a shade over six hours (I’ll post splits when they’re published).

One really interesting note on the run. I’m at mile 6.5 (halfway through the final leg) and I hear this insistent shuffling behind me. Obviously another runner coming up behind me to pass. I look over my left shoulder and it’s an older woman with this incredibly determined gait, absolutely flying past me like I’m standing still. I was, by my standards, running pretty well, a sub-9:30 pace. And as this woman flies by me, I see her age (it’s written on the right calf of all racers) and it says SHE’S 70 YEARS OLD! I swear this woman was running at a 7:30 pace, just flying by. Amazing. Taking into account the start order, she went off at least 15 minutes behind me at the start of the swim, so she has made up all that time, and she’s running me into the ground! My jaw almost hit the ground as the disappeared into the distance. I hope when I’m 70 I can walk 13 miles, nevermind finish a half-iron distance race.

So today I’m half an Iron Man. 70.3 miles is indeed a long way, but I was confident that my race plan and preparation would carry me through, which it did. My goal was six hours, and that was a best-case scenario goal. My time was 6:02 and change, which, given the extra minutes I spent changing clothes and relieving myself in transition, is about right. I didn’t get injured, and I executed the race plan. I finished 186th out of something like 800, so I’m very pleased with that.

The two most lasting images from this race are from the beginning and the end. Standing on the beach, searching for the out buoy, wondering how far out it really was, and knowing that I would swim to that small speck on the horizon and back. And then, after finishing, limping back to the paddock to collect my bike, standing there in the transition area alone, having finished, having reached my goal, looking up at the clear blue sky, whooping for joy. I did it. It was my day.

I love racing.
 

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I've just started up with running after a 20+ year break from any real running. Even when I did run I was a sprinter, not a distance runner. I had no interest in running anything more than a 1/4 mile and would run a mile pretty much only when there was a gun to my head. My goal right now is to do a 5k sometime before the end of the summer. I haven't come up with a time goal yet but I will once I figure out what I'm capable of after a few weeks of running. I've gone out five times so far in the last week and did 2.5 miles tonight in a bit under a 10 min/mile pace.

My question for the runners here - I need to get a good pair of running shoes but need someone to look at my feet/stride. I've got arches you can drive a truck under and I want to get the right shoes. Anyone have a recommendation on where to go where the salespeople will know what they're doing? Somewhere near the seacoast of NH or around the North Shore would be ideal.

TIA for any recommendations
 

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Haven't been there in years, but way back when, Rick Bayko's Yankee Runner in Newburyport was a great store. They're still there, so I imagine they're still a good place. New England Running Company in Beverly is a good store, too.
 

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Haven't been there in years, but way back when, Rick Bayko's Yankee Runner in Newburyport was a great store. They're still there, so I imagine they're still a good place. New England Running Company in Beverly is a good store, too.
Thanks for the info. I went out and got some Nike Pegasus shoes a couple weeks ago but I'll check out the place in Beverly during lunch some day. The Nikes are fine for now but if there's a better option out there for me I'd like to know it.
 

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Anyone running in the "Race Around the Lake" marathon Friday night in Wakefield?

I'll be there. Just ten weeks removed from my fibial stress fracture too. So it will either be a Willis Reed moment, or a spectacular failure!
 

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I did it. It was my day.

I love racing.
Ever since I got on Daily Mile, I don't check this thread very often & I just read this. Thanks for sharing it! It sounds like it was a fantastic experience (even if you're not a 70-year old woman). I look forward to reading the re-cap of your Ironman (which is when exactly?). Great job; you're probably still on a high from it.
 

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Ever since I got on Daily Mile, I don't check this thread very often & I just read this. Thanks for sharing it! It sounds like it was a fantastic experience (even if you're not a 70-year old woman). I look forward to reading the re-cap of your Ironman (which is when exactly?). Great job; you're probably still on a high from it.
Thanks. I'm registered for Iron Man Lake Placid (July 2011). My next race is Iron Man Timberman 70.3 in a couple of weeks.
 

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I'm more of a lurker in this thread, but had a question and thought some of you in here may have some answers.

I had been running about 25 miles per week until 2-3 weeks ago when I injured my tailbone (maybe broken, maybe just a bruise). After one week of (unsuccessfully) trying to run despite the injury and one week of doing nothing, I'm starting to do pool workouts (deep water running).

Has anyone done this? Do you suggest using a flotation belt or going without? Any advice/tips/workout ideas?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks.
 

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I'm more of a lurker in this thread, but had a question and thought some of you in here may have some answers.

I had been running about 25 miles per week until 2-3 weeks ago when I injured my tailbone (maybe broken, maybe just a bruise). After one week of (unsuccessfully) trying to run despite the injury and one week of doing nothing, I'm starting to do pool workouts (deep water running).

Has anyone done this? Do you suggest using a flotation belt or going without? Any advice/tips/workout ideas?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Oops, didn't see this till now. Yes, those water belts are awesome. My doc says there's no better workout for maintaining your running while injured.
 

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Does anyone in here believe in the whole barefoot running craze? I read Born to Run and I acknowledge it has a fad-ish feeling to it but I'm really interested in the injury prevention and the whole Zen thing going on. Anybody have experience with Vibram Five Fingers? Nike Free? Newton? Looking for first hand accounts and people I trust (if you post here I trust you...)

Thanks.
 

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Not a frequent poster but a longtime lurker looking for some friendly advice...

Does anyone in here believe in the whole barefoot running craze? I read Born to Run and I acknowledge it has a fad-ish feeling to it but I'm really interested in the injury prevention and the whole Zen thing going on. Anybody have experience with Vibram Five Fingers? Nike Free? Newton? Looking for first hand accounts and people I trust (if you post here I trust you...)

Thanks.
I run mostly either barefoot or in VFFs. Love it. Have had terrible injury problems (mainly hip) for a while now, and barefoot seems to mitigate a lot of it. The midfoot/forefoot strike is the key, as it distributes the shock of landing to the foot, ankle, achilles and calf rather than through the knee and hip. It's also faster to run on the front of your feet rather than the heel.

HOWEVER, barefoot is not for everyone. It is indeed faddish and a lot of people who switch to it won't stick with it, as it is both technically and physically demanding, and you really have to start from square one - if you can run X miles today in shoes, you will not be able to run X miles in bare feet/VFFs for a while. It places an enormous amount of stress on the feet, ankles, achilles and calves, and you can injure yourself as easily running barefoot as not unless you spend a lot of time working up to it. You have spent your entire life in shoes, so your legs are accustomed to functioning in them; switching to barefoot isn't really about the lack of shoes, it's about changing the way your body runs. So it takes a lot of getting used to. But once you work up to it slowly, get your legs accustomed to working in a new way, you can expect a very different running experience. Feeling the surface you are running on really changes the way you tune in to your gait and pace and rhythm. I love it and believe it will add both years and speed to my running. If you want to give it a try I suggest investing in a pair of VFFs (and get the most minimal pair you can - the new ones designed for running are so tricked out they are basically running shoes), and start with a mile or two on a field or soft track, focusing on the midfoot strike. Go to Youtube and search for barefoot running videos - there are lots of them and they can be very helpful. See how your legs feel, and take it slowly. I started last fall and and it was ages before I could go more than 10 miles with comfort. But if you stick with it, you may find barefoot to be a new kind of running experience. Good luck.
 

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Thanks for the reply.

Why the VFFs? Thoughts or opinions on Nike Free or Newtons? What kind of mileage are you doing? Asphalt or trail running? So many questions...
- VFFs because they are the closest thing to bare feet - the most basic models are more like a thick skin than a shoe.

- haven't tried either the Nike Free or the Newtons, but I know some people who swear by the Newton product and some top triathletes run in them. My next pair of shoes is likely to be something minimalist like the Zoot Ultra Speed (no laces and no socks needed), as I will wear shoes from time to time to mix up the training regimen.

- I run many distances in barefoot/VFFs and in shoes. Longest I've ever done barefoot is 18 miles.

- I run barefoot on surfaces that I know are clean and clear - there are a lot of nasty and unexpected things on the road and your bare feet are vulnerable to much of it. So for example if I go on the Cape Cod Rail Trail, which is a smooth, clean, level surface, I'll often go without shoes. But on the road it's the VFFs. I don't trail run.

Do some internet research. It's a bit of a craze and my orthopedist is kind of skeptical about it, but I do find it much more comfortable on the legs than using shoes all the time. There was a Harvard University study published I think this past spring that noted that people who use the midfoot/forefoot strike suffer measurably fewer leg injuries than heel-strike runners, and barefoot is, at least for me, the best way to develop that foot-strike.
 

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Does anyone in here believe in the whole barefoot running craze? I read Born to Run and I acknowledge it has a fad-ish feeling to it but I'm really interested in the injury prevention and the whole Zen thing going on. Anybody have experience with Vibram Five Fingers? Nike Free? Newton? Looking for first hand accounts and people I trust (if you post here I trust you...)

Thanks.
VFFs have helped me to develop my feet and calves in a way that could never have happened wearing shoes. I switched to VFFs exclusively for about a year. Now I go both ways.

1. Running with VFFs wasn't fast enough for me. Minimalist running is all about turn over. A too fast rate of foot turnover is a buzz kill for me.
2. Running with VFFs modified my stride to be upright and smooth, a natural gait that I was born to do.
3. Now I switch back and forth. 25% VFFs and the rest in shoes.

Best. Of. Both. Worlds!
 

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Baystate...

Who's running in it and how do you think you'll do...
 

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Baystate...

Who's running in it and how do you think you'll do...
I'm running it. Absolute best case scenario is 3:13 (7:20 pace), worst case is DNF which means my hip blew up. I keep having dreams I finish in 3:14 and change, but I have a feeling I'll be closer to 3:20. That would be fine with me as I'll get my BQ, for 2012 when I'm 40.

Plan is to be in a nice rhythm of 7:25 miles through mile 8 and hit the bridge at about the 1 hour mark and see how I'm doing. If I'm ok physically then it should be a good day. If at the 8 mile mark I'm able to run close to 7:20 pace then I may take a shot at 3:15. Even if I fade at mile 20 I should run under 3:20:59.

Forecast for Sunday is calling for temps in the low to mid 40s at the start and rising into the mid to upper 50s during the race with some wind and 0% chance of rain.
 

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I'm running it. Absolute best case scenario is 3:13 (7:20 pace), worst case is DNF which means my hip blew up. I keep having dreams I finish in 3:14 and change, but I have a feeling I'll be closer to 3:20. That would be fine with me as I'll get my BQ, for 2012 when I'm 40.

Plan is to be in a nice rhythm of 7:25 miles through mile 8 and hit the bridge at about the 1 hour mark and see how I'm doing. If I'm ok physically then it should be a good day. If at the 8 mile mark I'm able to run close to 7:20 pace then I may take a shot at 3:15. Even if I fade at mile 20 I should run under 3:20:59.

Forecast for Sunday is calling for temps in the low to mid 40s at the start and rising into the mid to upper 50s during the race with some wind and 0% chance of rain.
I have my splits set for 3:45, but I have a feeling I'll be breaking that. I am a bit unsure what to wear. I suppose I'll bring everything and figure it out when I get there. If not for the wind I could probably get away with shorts and a runners tee, but I bet I am gonna have to upgrade to sleeves and tights.

Do you use a waterbelt?
 

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I have my splits set for 3:45, but I have a feeling I'll be breaking that. I am a bit unsure what to wear. I suppose I'll bring everything and figure it out when I get there. If not for the wind I could probably get away with shorts and a runners tee, but I bet I am gonna have to upgrade to sleeves and tights.

Do you use a waterbelt?
Only in training. For the race I'll go with what they have. I'll carry a few powergels which I plan to take about an hour in and then every 45 or so mins after that. Have you every run Baystate?
 

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Only in training. For the race I'll go with what they have. I'll carry a few powergels which I plan to take about an hour in and then every 45 or so mins after that. Have you every run Baystate?
Nope, but I hear its flat and fast! I'll probably just carry my hand bottle for water to chase down the gels with.
 

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Nope, but I hear its flat and fast! I'll probably just carry my hand bottle for water to chase down the gels with.
I've run it 3 times. It is relatively flat, but there are a couple of small inclines around the course. The biggest is right after mile 4 and 14 (two loops of the course). There are water/gatorade stations every 2 miles starting just before mile 2 so there are plenty of chances for water if you think you can go 2 miles in between.
 

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Anyone run in the Cox Providence Marathon before? From what i've read it's pretty much flat with nice views.

I'm trying to find something good within driving distance somewhere between April 10th and May 10th.
 

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Anyone run in the Cox Providence Marathon before? From what i've read it's pretty much flat with nice views.

I'm trying to find something good within driving distance somewhere between April 10th and May 10th.
I did the half marathon. The event was well organized. The half goes to the north of the city and the marathon to the south. The courses probably overlap for a mile or so. I would do the full marathon based on what I saw from the half.

That's probably the only marathon close in that time frame. I know New Jersey (which is supposed to be nice and flat) is around the same time. If you could hold out, Vermont City on Memorial Day is awesome.
 

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I did the half marathon. The event was well organized. The half goes to the north of the city and the marathon to the south. The courses probably overlap for a mile or so. I would do the full marathon based on what I saw from the half.

That's probably the only marathon close in that time frame. I know New Jersey (which is supposed to be nice and flat) is around the same time. If you could hold out, Vermont City on Memorial Day is awesome.
Yea i've heard the same about the NJ race which is exactly why i signed up for last years. After 5 months of training i had to drop out 2 weeks prior to the race. A bit heartbreaking.

I would hold out for a much better venue but the timing doesn't look to be right and i don't want to be in a full fledged training program only to regress at the critical moment due to other stuff for instance a bachelor party that will be occurring late May or June.
 

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I know most of us are on Daily Mile, but isn't a certain someone going to mention here that he BQ'd at Baystate? Congrats to underhandtofirst.
 

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Anyone run in the Cox Providence Marathon before? From what i've read it's pretty much flat with nice views.

I'm trying to find something good within driving distance somewhere between April 10th and May 10th.
I was looking at something in roughly the same time frame and I've decided to do the Walter Childs Memorial:
http://www.harriers.org/marathon/

It's a smaller marathon, located in Holyoke, MA. Has some tough hills at the end of the race. Got good reviews on marathonguide.com:
http://www.marathonguide.com/races/racedetails.cfm?MIDD=1156050501

I enjoy a smaller race (I don't like fighting to run through crowds of people at the start of larger races), so this appeals to me, though it may not be what you are looking for (people seem to want to avoid hilly races for whatever reason...I've always enjoyed running hills).
 

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To that end, I think my next half marathon is going to be the Colchester Half Marathon in Colchester CT. The race is held in February regardless of weather. Entry is $12.

If you're going to run Holyoke make sure to contact my friends Bill and Dave on Daily Mile. They train on Mt. Tom. Both are excellent runners and could offer you some advice on the terrain.
 

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Does anyone in here believe in the whole barefoot running craze? I read Born to Run and I acknowledge it has a fad-ish feeling to it but I'm really interested in the injury prevention and the whole Zen thing going on. Anybody have experience with Vibram Five Fingers? Nike Free? Newton? Looking for first hand accounts and people I trust (if you post here I trust you...)

Thanks.
This is a belated response but I don't think anyone responded in regard to the Nike Frees. I like 'em a lot. And it seems, to me at least, like wearing them somehow does push you at least a little bit toward a better, forefoot landing only stride. They're comfortable as hell for just walking around. But the first time I wore them running I thought, about a mile or so in, that something on the lower outside of my knee was about to snap. I kept going and all of a sudden it just clicked.

I LOVED the anthropological stuff in Born to Run. Of course it seems insane that people who evolved to be able to run can't run when wearing typical running shoes, at least they can't run without getting hurt.