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How long until Patriot Paranoia Disorder is considered an actual medical diagnosis and how many ex-players, coaches and owners will need treatment?  I am worried about an epidemic.
 

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At least the NFL Network post-game guys pointed out that headset communications go out ALL THE TIME in every stadium around the NFL. 
 

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WaPo all ready moving to say this happens all the time... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/09/11/headsets-malfunction-all-the-time-in-the-nfl/
  Multiple quotes from multiple coaches from multiple stadiums.
 
Hell even the Steelers cheat!!!!!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6052717
  For those not wanting to click ESPN... Jets Sanchez claimed he lost his headset communication in playoff game in 2011 at Heinz field. Tomlin would have been coach for this game.
 

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Deathofthebambino said:
Someone else pointed out that Tomlin has only coached here three times.  The last time was in TWO THOUSAND FUCKING EIGHT.  His comment that it happens here all the time is complete and utter bullshit.  Fuck him, fuck the Steelers, fuck the NFL, fuck everyone.  Just do your fucking job.  Like the Pats. 
 
Finally, someone on the NFL network acknowledges that it happens all the time, and that when the radios go down for one team, the other team has to turn theirs off until it's fixed.  Big fucking deal. 
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1940&year_max=2012&game_type=&playoff_round=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&game_day_of_week=&game_time=&time_zone=&game_location=&surface=&roof=&game_result=&overtime=&league_id=&team_id=nwe&opp_id=pit&conference_game=&division_game=&tm_is_playoff=&opp_is_playoff=&tm_is_winning=&opp_is_winning=&tm_scored_first=&tm_led=&tm_trailed=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=game_date
 

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McBride11 said:
WaPo all ready moving to say this happens all the time... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/09/11/headsets-malfunction-all-the-time-in-the-nfl/
  Multiple quotes from multiple coaches from multiple stadiums.
 
Hell even the Steelers cheat!!!!!!! http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6052717
  For those not wanting to click ESPN... Jets Sanchez claimed he lost his headset communication in playoff game in 2011 at Heinz field. Tomlin would have been coach for this game.
It is amazing what the media will do when the NFL does not want to put on a witch hunt.
Maybe even the NFL realizes this has gone too far and wants to put a stop to it before the entire brand is tarnished.
 

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It is amazing what the media will do when the NFL does not want to put on a witch hunt.
Maybe even the NFL realizes this has gone too far and wants to put a stop to it before the entire brand is tarnished.
A friend of mine texted me this morning (he's a Seahawks fan).  He thought the radio stuff was bullshit, but also said what you're suggesting.  This is going to eventually ruin the NFL.  I know the NFL loves the attention and being a 24/7/356 entity.  But there's no way they want cheating stories to come out every Monday, do they?  Ultimately, you can say that they brought this on themselves, but I can't imagine they want to deal with this.  Unfortunately, there's really no way to stop it.  
 
The paranoia is real, my friends.  My Steeler fan brother in law texted me last night and said, "the first way to beat the Pats is to figure out how they are cheating".  If opposing teams are spending one minute doing that, I'll take it.  
 

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The idea that not only the Pats would purposely jumble the Steelers' signals, but that they would do so in a game where the attention of the entire country is turned to them, after 8 months of being called cheaters, and that they'd pipe in the PATRIOTS RADIO BROADCAST in their headsets is so fucking hilarious I kind of want it to be true.
Seriously.
 
I am loving this story. I have full on embraced the hate at this point and am taking absolute joy in thinking about all of the fans of the teams the Patriots play this year worrying about cheating all game instead of actually, you know, enjoying the game.
 
The Patriots are so far in other teams heads that it's no wonder they can't be the Patriots. I hope more shit like this comes out to even further the mystique, fuck it. 
 

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We're nearing the point where everyone employed by the Patriots will need to wear a body camera with a live feed that goes to the other 31 teams to get them to shut up. Of course, they'd all complain that the video feed isn't high enough quality. 
 
 
hmmmm.... could they have a couple of those body cameras pointed at opposing coaches giving signals?
 

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The view from here in partial Steelers country (ick) is the radio failure is a direct cheating mechanism and NE is evil. 
 
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2015/09/patriots_radio_broadcast_steelers_tomlin.html#incart_m-rpt-2
 
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Well the team website is pushing the narrative, so I am not surprised.

The team website pushing the narrative is entirely consistent with Tomlin's presser last night, despite unpersuasive attempts here to suggest Tomlin' really was not going there.
 
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dcmissle said:
Well the team website is pushing the narrative, so I am not surprised.

The team website pushing the narrative is entirely consistent with Tomlin's presser last night, despite unpersuasive attempts here to suggest Tomlin' really was not going there.
 
I'm pretty sure there were a few different replays of Tomlin's presser, and at least one of them cut out the worst of his crying. Anyone that saw the whole thing wouldn't try to suggest he wasn't going there unless they were being dishonest.
 

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Twitter thinks the NFL is covering for the pats. This season is going to be hell  hilarious.
 
Remember:  Comedy = tragedy + time.   Over time, people will recognize the sheer absurdity of everything due to the incessant urge to link every thing that goes wrong with Patriots opponents to "cheating Patriots."
 
 
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I mean it's going to be hell because the pats can't win. It's either the pats are cheaters or the NFL is covering for the patriots cheating. I seriously hope the pats are not accused of something after every fucking game.
 
For all of his faults, Rex Ryan will not pull this type of shit.
 
So that's 2 games we don't have to worry about!
 

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mikeford said:
Yeah this is never going away.
 
Of course, Deadspin (80% anti-Pats) fails to note that it happens in other stadiums too, so it's probably just a wide-scale equipment issue and not some defect with Gillette, much less a deliberate scam.
 

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Of course, Deadspin (80% anti-Pats) fails to note that it happens in other stadiums too, so it's probably just a wide-scale equipment issue and not some defect with Gillette, much less a deliberate scam.
 
Deadspin has disappointed me through this whole thing. One of the few things they hate more than the Patriots (though that's usually tongue in cheek) it's ESPN. This story of ESPNs shittyness and bias was laid out on a platter for them and they've barely done anything with it. They obviously don't get nearly the readers of ESPN but they are quite popular in the mainstream now and it would have been nice for them to be reporting counter to ESPN. 
 

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And complaining about defensive maneuvering that is entirely legal -- are you kidding me? And this in a game where they just left Gronk uncovered.

Is this satire or what?
 

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drleather2001 said:
 
Of course, Deadspin (80% anti-Pats) fails to note that it happens in other stadiums too, so it's probably just a wide-scale equipment issue and not some defect with Gillette, much less a deliberate scam.
The article also implies that the most likely scenario is a grounding issue, that, while not intentional, also exposed a number of people to shock hazards and thereby put their lives at risk.  These guys are obviously not electricians. 
 

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Especially the part where Collinsworth speculated that the pats were illegally simulating snap counts because Ben was so pissed off, but it turns out he just didn't know that the pats were allowed to shift side to side.
Im sure Pittsburgh will take this up with the competition committee at the end of the year.
 

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The article also implies that the most likely scenario is a grounding issue, that, while not intentional, also exposed a number of people to shock hazards and thereby put their lives at risk.  These guys are obviously not electricians. 
 
Ya.  It smacks, to me, of a guy who's mildly knowledgeable in electronics taking a crack at figuring something out without knowing nearly enough of the facts.   I mean, how could he, without a working understanding of how the systems are set up.  And I'm not talking about taking 20 minutes to read an article on how they are set up, but, like, really knowing how the wiring is laid out, what programs the systems use, the real engineering aspect to it.
 
It's like a guy seeing a bridge collapse on TV and then looking at a blue print of the bridge and saying: "Oh, well, here's what must have happened!"
 

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When even Ben Volin is pushing back against the "headset cheaters" narrative, you know the memo must have gone out that this is an issue the league is not interested in pursuing
 

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The view from here in partial Steelers country (ick) is the radio failure is a direct cheating mechanism and NE is evil. 
 
http://www.pennlive.com/steelers/index.ssf/2015/09/patriots_radio_broadcast_steelers_tomlin.html#incart_m-rpt-2
 
Comments are gold. 
Most of what is placed on the PennLive site is about as reliable as Dickie Dunn's work, and you're referencing the low-hanging fruit that is their unregulated message board. Presented for point of reference. It just helps the Tomlin implication to become a self-fulfilling prophecy: we're the victims of yet another "baseless" accusation.

To be clear, I think it's highly probable, if not certain, that the radio issues were in no way a result of tampering by the Patriots. However, if a Pats' fan can't understand why the Patriots draw this kind of attention and general skepticism, and think it is only resentment due to their success, I think he or she is only fooling themselves.
 

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So which Patriots employee referred to themself as "jammer" in a text message 9 months ago?
Yeah, but that's just a reference to his penchant for pickup basketball.
 

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a shift designed to draw the Steelers into a false start. It worked to perfection, and Roethlisberger wonders how the Patriots got away with it.
 
 
So definitive. Sometimes the D-line will shift to better attack weak points of the O-line, but go on.
 

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Deadspin has disappointed me through this whole thing. One of the few things they hate more than the Patriots (though that's usually tongue in cheek) it's ESPN. This story of ESPNs shittyness and bias was laid out on a platter for them and they've barely done anything with it. They obviously don't get nearly the readers of ESPN but they are quite popular in the mainstream now and it would have been nice for them to be reporting counter to ESPN. 
 
The problem is that they've Barry Petchesky -- I'm lukewarm about him at best -- as the main guy on this beat.
 

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So definitive. Sometimes the D-line will shift to better attack weak points of the O-line, but go on.
And sometimes the defense will shift itself out of position to allow a critical second half touchdown on third and goal like the Pats did last night. I wonder if that was cheating.
 

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The problem is that they've Barry Petchesky -- I'm lukewarm about him at best -- as the main guy on this beat.
 
Well that and that Drew Magary has hated everything associated with New England since he, allegedly, had a rough time making friends at Colby or something.  
 

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drleather2001 said:
 
Well that and that Drew Magary has hated everything associated with New England since he, allegedly, had a rough time making friends at Colby or something.  
 
Honestly, I like Magary. He was hilarious when Patriots fans were ready to tear down Brady after the Chiefs game last season.
 
Anyways, he's not on the "reporter" side of things.
 

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drleather2001 said:
 
Well that and that Drew Magary has hated everything associated with New England since he, allegedly, had a rough time making friends at Colby or something.  
Magary is harmless, he doesn't write anything with the pretense of being taken seriously.