SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)

[edmunddantes]

Wow...

Jimmy Johnson with a good take.

Bradshaw good but gives a stupid why I didn't I think of deflating balls.

Strahan is an idiot. But goes with Goodell went too harsh but Pats deserved it.

Long is going with Brady high character you better have more than more likely than not if going after someone like Brady. Integrity of process is flawed.

Glazer. I still have the spy gate tape. Specter was so strong about going to get Goodelll that they tried to coerce it out of Glazer.

 

[Marciano490]

Long just killed it.  Fox making up for trying to convince us that Aaron Rodgers is good looking.
 
This Jay Glazer thing is fascinating.  Did we know this before?

 

[bankshot1]

Bill Cowher ... Voice of Reason ... "We lost those AFC Championship games because the Patriots made more plays."

And, by the way, everyone is responsible for protecting their own information.

Threw Tomlin under the bus.

 

[ipol]

Threw Tomlin under the bus.

 
I hear ya but Tomlin threw himself under the bus.

 

[( . ) ( . ) and (_!_)]

Jerome Bettis?

 

[bankshot1]

 
I hear ya but Tomlin threw himself under the bus.

and Bettis is pissed.

 

[ifmanis5]

Long just killed it.  Fox making up for trying to convince us that Aaron Rodgers is good looking.
 
This Jay Glazer thing is fascinating.  Did we know this before?

Glazer played the "Spygate" tape on FOX during halftime way back when the story broke. I've always wondered who leaked it to him. That he still has it is news to me.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Glazer played the "Spygate" tape on FOX during halftime way back when the story broke. I've always wondered who leaked it to him. That he still has it is news to me.

 
This tape being the one filmed from the Pats sideline of the Jets coaches from September 9, 2007?  If he has it, why hasn't it been broadcast endlessly since the controversy occurred?  Got to think it would further stoke the "Cheatriots" flames which makes it a wonder that it's been under wraps for so long (even if Fox did air it once).  What's he sitting on it for, exactly?

 

[edmunddantes]

Because the spygate tapes were shown on a loop during Goodell's presser.

They are as boring as hell. There are even twitters of the media making fun of them. It's so mundane to see.

It doesn't make for compelling television.

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Because the spygate tapes were shown on a loop during Goodell's presser.

They are as boring as hell. There are even twitters of the media making fun of them. It's so mundane to see.

It doesn't make for compelling television.

 
Ok, then I guess the better question is why Glazer possessing these tapes is such a big deal.  The way he describes them, you'd think they contained something earth-shattering.

 

[edmunddantes]

Because the story is that they wee all destroyed.

If NFL was telling truth, how does he have one?

It's nothing special. It's just Jay's way of thumbing his nose at the idea that the NFL destroyed all them and no one else has them.

It's a scalp in Jay's bag as a reporter. I got the thing no one else has. Ego

 

[reggiecleveland]

and Bettis is pissed.

Actually Bettis was on the pregame show before the Thursday game on TSN, and said the Pstriots cheated him out a championship.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Because the spygate tapes were shown on a loop during Goodell's presser.

They are as boring as hell. There are even twitters of the media making fun of them. It's so mundane to see.

It doesn't make for compelling television.

 
Those were the tapes from Matt Walsh shown during Goodell's presser much later. We never saw the tapes that Pash & Co. destroyed in Foxboro. Glazer had footage that was smuggled out of NFL HQ. None of it was worth showing again which is why you never see it. It has more mystique this way.

 

[Van Everyman]

Guys, Brady's phone was "destroyed." The Spygate tapes were "stomped."

Get your destruction of evidence hyperbole straight.

 

[canderson]

Latest conspiracy: Pittsburgh's coach never attacked a fan, NE floated the story to deflect it's cheating re: headsets.

 

[riboflav]

Latest conspiracy: Pittsburgh's coach never attacked a fan, NE floated the story to deflect it's cheating re: headsets.

 
Yep, this is becoming a thing. Steelers are claiming the Patriots offered no security detail and that Steelers' coaches were forced to walked through the crowd to get back and forth to the booth.

 

[Eddie Jurak]

 
Yep, this is becoming a thing. Steelers are claiming the Patriots offered no security detail and that Steelers' coaches were forced to walked through the crowd to get back and forth to the booth.

And I'll bet they had to walk uphill both ways, in bare feet over shards of broken glass.

 

[Leather]

 
Yep, this is becoming a thing. Steelers are claiming the Patriots offered no security detail and that Steelers' coaches were forced to walked through the crowd to get back and forth to the booth.

So they kicked a guy in the back of the leg?

It still doesn't make sense.

 

[Myt1]

And I'll bet they had to walk uphill both ways, in bare feet over shards of broken glass.

Dude, I like you, but you're being completely ridiculous.









It was barefoot in the snow.

 

[nighthob]

And I'll bet they had to walk uphill both ways, in bare feet over shards of broken glass...

 
...in three feet of snow.

 

[riboflav]

So they kicked a guy in the back of the leg?

It still doesn't make sense.

 
No, Steelers saying nothing happened.

 

[Harry Hooper]

 
No, Steelers saying nothing happened.

 
 
Foxboro is supposed to have significant security cam installations around the stadium, so where's the footage?

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

 
I hear ya but Tomlin threw himself under the bus.

Or under a special teamer.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

Also, isn't the official time kept by the on-field officials anyway?

In the old days in the NFL, yes.

Then they merged with the AFL.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

Foxboro is supposed to have significant security cam installations around the stadium, so where's the footage?

Sacrificed to protect The Shield.

 

[CoolPapaLaSchelle]

 
 
Foxboro is supposed to have significant security cam installations around the stadium, so where's the footage

 
 
 
... Maybe it happened in the McNally bathroom.

 

[Three10toLeft]

 
 
Foxboro is supposed to have significant security cam installations around the stadium, so where's the footage?

 
Nah. Just a drone that follows the Patriots ball boy around.

 

[Leather]

 
No, Steelers saying nothing happened.

So why was the lack of security an issue?

"It was their fault that nothing happened!"

 

[pappymojo]

Nothing happened but if something did happen, it was their fault. Also, their fans are jerks and deserved it.

But nothing happened.

 

[Stevie1der]

The Steelers coach specifically ordered that Santiago not be touched!

 

[johnmd20]

Mr. Belichick, if you gave an order that McNally wasn't to be touched, and your orders are always followed, then why was McNally suspended?
 
McNally was a substandard ball boy. He was being transferred to kicking tees.
 
That's not what you said, you said he was being transferred because he was in grave danger. . . .

 

[nighthob]

Foxboro is supposed to have significant security cam installations around the stadium, so where's the footage?

Everyone knows that Belichick's alleged clipboard is actually a tablet computer which he uses to control the stadium's video and communications equipment. That footage was erased the minute he realised that the Steeler assistant hadn't done anything. This is also how he was able to control the interference so that it perfectly vanished every time an NFL official walked towards the Steeler bench.

 

[Marciano490]

Any word yet on which racial epithet was used that pissed of the Steelers' coach?  I was told there was a good chance something racist was said.

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

Considering that antisemitism is the root of all Patriots envy across the league I'm going with something along those lines.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Florio rubbing it in Tomlin's nose: "Several" communications issues this week, "as always."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/14/sundays-game-featured-several-communications-issues/

 

[dcmissle]

And Florio now reporting that Tomlin no longer wants to discuss. He is satisfied. Lol

 

[ShaneTrot]

And Florio now reporting that Tomlin no longer wants to discuss. He is satisfied. Lol

Why not? He got want he wanted out of it. His team was not prepared to play and he didn't have to face the music.

 

[pappymojo]

Based on the discussion in the #DFG: Canceling the Noise thread (which should be moved here), I would say that what ESPN is doing was taught in "Trolling 101."

If you write/post/say something stupid and emotionally inflammatory, when you receive criticism to what you wrote/posted/said, ignore all of the valid criticism, and instead shift the focus onto the personal attacks that you have received.

This tactic accomplishes a couple of goals -
(1) it draws attention away from the stupid thing you wrote/posted/said.
(2) it allows you to paint yourself as a well-meaning victim of internet bullies.
(3) it generalizes all of your critics into one, easy-to-belittle group.

 

[mwonow]

Based on the discussion in the #DFG: Canceling the Noise thread (which should be moved here), I would say that what ESPN is doing was taught in "Trolling 101."

If you write/post/say something stupid and emotionally inflammatory, when you receive criticism to what you wrote/posted/said, ignore all of the valid criticism, and instead shift the focus onto the personal attacks that you have received.

This tactic accomplishes a couple of goals -
(1) it draws attention away from the stupid thing you wrote/posted/said.
(2) it allows you to paint yourself as a well-meaning victim of internet bullies.
(3) it generalizes all of your critics into one, easy-to-belittle group.

 
I actually had a brief back & forth with Don Jr. on this. He's happy enough to respond to superficial critiques, but went silent when I sent him a longer email highlighting the many ways that he used innuendo and anonymous opinion presented as fact to shape a damaging narrative.
 
Oddly, he claimed that his piece was targeted at the NFL, not the Pats. That's a level of dissonance that's difficult to fathom. Did he write it, and then forget to read it?

 

[Shelterdog]

Based on the discussion in the #DFG: Canceling the Noise thread (which should be moved here), I would say that what ESPN is doing was taught in "Trolling 101."

If you write/post/say something stupid and emotionally inflammatory, when you receive criticism to what you wrote/posted/said, ignore all of the valid criticism, and instead shift the focus onto the personal attacks that you have received.

This tactic accomplishes a couple of goals -
(1) it draws attention away from the stupid thing you wrote/posted/said.
(2) it allows you to paint yourself as a well-meaning victim of internet bullies.
(3) it generalizes all of your critics into one, easy-to-belittle group.

 
Peter King had a similar comment about how he was in Boston recently and that the comments/tthreats/feedback he got about deflategate were far too strident for a football story.
 
Weird.

 

[Marciano490]

Interesting article on how the NFL bullied/convinced NC prosecutors to show them - and only them - the Hardy DV pictures:
 
http://deadspin.com/how-the-nfl-convinced-prosecutors-to-give-them-and-no-1729992346

 

[AB in DC]

 
I actually had a brief back & forth with Don Jr. on this. He's happy enough to respond to superficial critiques, but went silent when I sent him a longer email highlighting the many ways that he used innuendo and anonymous opinion presented as fact to shape a damaging narrative.
 
Oddly, he claimed that his piece was targeted at the NFL, not the Pats. That's a level of dissonance that's difficult to fathom. Did he write it, and then forget to read it?

 
More likely, he wrote the piece targeting the NFL, then ESPN edited it to make the Patriots look even worse.

 

[Devizier]

Based on the discussion in the #DFG: Canceling the Noise thread (which should be moved here), I would say that what ESPN is doing was taught in "Trolling 101."

If you write/post/say something stupid and emotionally inflammatory, when you receive criticism to what you wrote/posted/said, ignore all of the valid criticism, and instead shift the focus onto the personal attacks that you have received.

This tactic accomplishes a couple of goals -
(1) it draws attention away from the stupid thing you wrote/posted/said.
(2) it allows you to paint yourself as a well-meaning victim of internet bullies.
(3) it generalizes all of your critics into one, easy-to-belittle group.

 
All of this is true, but ultimately, the following is true, too:
 

 
 
Peter King had a similar comment about how he was in Boston recently and that the comments/tthreats/feedback he got about deflategate were far too strident for a football story.

 

[bsj]

Here we go again

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31484993/son-ghostwriter-late-senator-say-trump-intervened-stop-probe-patriots-spygate-scandal

 

[Bowhemian]

Holy shitballs. What is the story here? I mean, what is the point of this? Who the fuck cares who intervened, or didn't intervene? And what does it matter?

Remember, spygate was not about stealing signals, it was about the location of the camera.

 

[Ed Hillel]

For fuck’s sake, these two assholes have NOTHING better to do with their lives? Why now? What’s the fucking point?

Either way, have at it. I ain’t reading it.

PS - Arlen Specter was a bitter old asshole.

 

[BigSoxFan]

For fuck’s sake, these two assholes have NOTHING better to do with their lives? Why now? What’s the fucking point?

Either way, have at it. I ain’t reading it.

PS - Arlen Specter was a bitter old asshole.

Trump + Patriots = Clicks. I love the fact that Specter whined so much and didn't live long enough to see the Nick Foles SB win over the Pats.

 

[Ralphwiggum]

Just coming here to post this. I read the first paragraph, which completely mischaracterizes what spygate was all about and that was enough for me.

I mean for fuck's sake, how about asking the question of why a United States fucking Senator was wasting his time worrying about the NFL?

 

[BigSoxFan]

Just coming here to post this. I read the first paragraph, which completely mischaracterizes what spygate was all about and that was enough for me.

I mean for fuck's sake, how about asking the question of why a United States fucking Senator was wasting his time worrying about the NFL?

...during a looming financial crisis

 

[lexrageorge]

Just coming here to post this. I read the first paragraph, which completely mischaracterizes what spygate was all about and that was enough for me.

I mean for fuck's sake, how about asking the question of why a United States fucking Senator was wasting his time worrying about the NFL?

To answer your last question, recall that the Senator from Comcast made those statements when the cable conglomerate was in some sort of dispute over the NFL Network.