SportsCenter & OTL Bringing Back Spygate (live, 9AM)

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Just listened and of course it was garbage. Absolutely nothing new with music added.
 

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the upshot is that Deflategate was pursued doggedly as a "makegood" for what some owners thought was poor handling of the Spygate scandal.

Implication is that Goodell is a stooge but nobody will take that ball and run with it. Only that Spygate must have been worse than everyone thought.
 

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Literally stomped the tapes and handed them to Pats' lawyers!

Hahahahahhaha.
 

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Some of the Steelers' defensive coaches remain convinced that a deep touchdown pass from Brady to Deion Branch in the January 2005 AFC Championship Game, which was won by the Patriots 41-27, came from stolen signals because Pittsburgh hadn't changed its signals all year, sources say, and the two teams had played a game in the regular season that Walsh told investigators he believes was taped. "They knew the signals, so they knew when it went in what the coverage was and how to attack it," says a former Steelers coach. "I've had a couple of guys on my teams from New England, and they've told me those things."
 
 
WAAAAAAAAAH. It couldn't possibly be that Saint Polumalu bit so hard on a play-action fake that he cost his team 7 points. Nope, they knew the signals!
 

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"Remember, so much of this is the head coach's prerogative," says a former Patriots assistant coach. (Belichick, Adams and Dee declined to comment for this story through the Patriots, who made several officials available to talk but not others.)
 
2-1 this is Mangini.
 

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During the walk-through, the Rams had also practiced some of their newly designed red zone plays. When they ran the same plays late in the Super Bowl's fourth quarter, the Patriots' defense was in position on nearly every down. On one new play, quarterback Kurt Warner rolled to his right and turned to throw to Faulk in the flat, where three Patriots defenders were waiting. On the sideline, Rams coach Mike Martz was stunned. He was famous for his imaginative, unpredictable plays, and now it was as if the Patriots knew what was coming on plays that had never been run before. The Patriots' game plan had called for a defender to hit Faulk on every down, as a means of eliminating him, but one coach who worked with an assistant on that 2001 Patriots team says that the ex-Pats assistant coach once bragged that New England knew exactly what the Rams would call in the red zone. "He'd say, 'A little birdie told us,'" the coach says now.
 
In the meeting in Specter's office, the senator asked Walsh: "Were there any live electronics during the walk-through?"
 
"It's certainly possible," Walsh said. "But I have no evidence."
 
WAAAAAH. THE PATS OUTPLAYED US EVEN THOUGH WE WERE SUPPOSED TO WIN.
 
Nothing new here.
 
Ooh, quotes from Polian too!
 

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In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.)
 

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WTF?
 
Days like this, I just wish Tom Brady would retire so I can be fucking done with this Total Drama Island fueled joke of a professional league.
 

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But to the many owners who saw the Patriots as longtime cheaters, it really didn't matter that Goodell appeared eager, perhaps overeager, to show the rest of the NFL that he had learned the lessons of Spygate. One team owner acknowledges that for years there was a "jealous ... hater" relationship among many owners with Kraft, the residue of Spygate. "It's not surprising that there's a makeup call," one team owner says. Another longtime executive says a number of owners wanted Goodell to "go hard on this one."
 
GOTTA GET THEM BACK FOR SPYGATE!
 
What a bunch of goddamn jealous babies.
 

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It's as if ESPN was reading some of the 'hey, you guys are being too paranoid' comments in the #DFG thread and decided to take it up a notch.
 

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My favorite part so far:
 
 
 
The practice of decoding signals was universal in football -- a single stolen signal can change a game -- with advance scouts jotting down notes, then matching the signal to the play. The Patriots created a novel spying system that made the decoding more dependable.
 
Everyone was doing it, but the Patriots were doing it better, so it was wrong. 
 
Nice:
 
 
 
The only people involved were a few coaches, the video staff and, of course, Adams. Belichick, almost five years after being fired by the Browns and fully aware that this was his last best shot as a head coach, placed an innovative system of cheating in the hands of his most trusted friend.
 

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How ironic that Goodell is on this show today. He was too hard on pats because of spygate, that's why he lost!!!!
 

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One would think we learned over the past couple of months to seek evidence before stating conclusions.  ESPN, you listening?   Anyone?  Anyone?
 

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It is conveniently overlooked that the Patriots have a better winning percentage post Spygate than they did during Spygate.
 

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Lose Remerswaal said:
 
In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. (The practice became so notorious that some coaches put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to swipe.)
 
This is ridiculous on so many levels. I'm sure that, until the other teams got wise to this devious and brilliant ploy by the Pats, the opposing team locker room was totally empty and unguarded and the super secret valuable "20 play script" was just lying there on a bench somewhere. It probably had a 50 point bold face title on it "First 20 Offensive Plays."
 

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NortheasternPJ said:
My favorite part so far:
 
 
Everyone was doing it, but the Patriots were doing it better, so it was wrong. 
A novel spying system that included a guy standing in plain sight of 10s of thousands of people holding a camera. Very novel indeed.
 

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The NFL PR assault on the Patriots continues by getting spygate facts in the headlines. Watching Mike and Mike with the reporter and you would think we didn't get any punishment for either investigation.
 

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I had posted weeks ago that the Deflategate was just the beginning, and it'll be an never-ending series of hit pieces coming from both the ESPN & the NFL. 
 
These fuckers are DETERMINED to ruin Patriots reputation and forever taint their stellar run. I have never seen such a coordinated effort to destroy a sports franchise's reputation. 
 
Odds are there'll be another XYZGate tagged onto the Patriots, piggybanking on Spygate and the Deflategate, and soon.
 

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LuckyBen said:
How ironic that Goodell is on this show today. He was too hard on pats because of spygate, that's why he lost!!!!
How fucking orchestrated is this bullshit?
 
What are the odds RG will now spill the beans on what the NFL suspected about SPYGATE?
 
Paranoia is not pretty..
 

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This is insane. With the start of the 2015 season 2 days away, ESPN is running is running a hit piece on the Superbowl champions about something from 2007?? Could the NFL and ESPN make it any more obvious?
 

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@MichaelDavSmith Interesting timing: ESPN drops a big Spygate bomb just before Roger Goodell is to appear on Mike & Mike. 
 
 
Good men & women of BBtL, this is a coordinated effort, through and through. Goodell is embarrassed. He lost his best buddy Kraft. He's going to throw Kraft & the Patriots under the bus until he is kicked out or phased out. 
 

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"Let me be clear, the only evidence they <nfl teams that lost superbowls to the Patriots> have is suspicion."  Don Van Natta jr.
 
I am god smacked from watching that segment.. I was waiting for some JFK assasination breaking theories to be announced after a few months of investigation.
 

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LOL:
 


Looking back on it, several former Patriots coaches insist that spying helped them most against less sophisticated teams -- the Dolphins and Bills chief among them -- whose coaches didn't bother changing their signals.
 

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..and fuck you ESPN. Here was an interview wiht Jimmy Johnson back in 2008 about Dallas cheating, and the Chiefs too:
 
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/

JJ: Oh please. I’ve said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the Chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they’re not on the press box side you can’t do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.
 
Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?
 
JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not just in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And so that’s when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don’t do it any more, he did it.
 
Q: Did you ever steal signals?
 
JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.
 
 

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Jesus Christ. Look at this crybaby from the Indianapolis Star:
 
https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/641239905293594625
 

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Two veteran investigate reporters have an opportunity to really dig into the ins-and-outs of Deflategate itself--where the leaks came from, the relationship between front officer personnel and the Patriots, even potentially looking at the science again by surveying a few different physicists and chemists--and give us the definitive narrative story...and they re-report on fucking Spygate?
 
What an unbelievable missed journalistic opportunity, among other things.
 

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I wonder who Kensi...I mean the anonymous source is using as his mouth piece at ESPN now. I refuse to give this hot garbage a click.

Just saw the above tweet from the Indy Star. Of course this is why Manning is the GOAT! Jesus Christ Kraft needs to file a deformation suit ASAP.
 

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Suber Bowl 36 is a really great idiocy barometer. The brilliantly simple game plan of trying to take away the offense's best weapon while hitting the receivers at the line to prevent them from getting into their routes clearly required intimate knowledge of every play they would run. It's a good thing the Rams pulled out their doublesupersecret signals in the 4th quarter when they marched down the field and erased a 14 point deficit. Thank goodness though because without taping Warner would have thrown for 500 yards instead of the modest 356 and Faulk would have racked up 250 APY instead of the piddly 130 he collected.
 
Also, the Patriots offense was a giant turd in literally all three games of the playoffs that year. Oh, sorry, this was the early stages of the taping so they hadn't perfected it yet. My bad.
 
LOLBOOHOO
 

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Oh and that cheating fucker Shanahan too. Per SI article in 2002:
 
"Our guy keeps a pair of binoculars on their signal-callers every game," says Broncos coach Mike Shanahan. "With any luck, we have their defensive signals figured out by halftime. Sometimes, by the end of the first quarter."