Spurs 21/22: Conte? Conte!!

Jimy Hendrix

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 15, 2002
5,846
One tweet says £100 million guaranteed as fee. The other says £100 million plus players.

Where are you seeing that the £100 million is value as opposed to fee?
In this update on the CFC article: https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnation.com/2021/6/21/22529367/tottenham-hotspur-transfer-news-harry-kane-manchester-city-daniel-levy-gabriel-jesus-aymeric-laporte

Admittedly not sure where they are getting it from, appears that it's being reported different ways by different articles, as is the game of telephone that is the transfer window.
 

teddykgb

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
11,023
Chelmsford, MA
I really hope this doesn’t go through. Kane just doesn’t look right to me late in Spurs season (as we discussed and I think you guys thought he looked fine) and in the limited time so far in the Euros. Honestly I think you should of course never take the first offer but if this is anything near what City will part with I think it would be good business to take and kickstart a rebuild
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
I really hope this doesn’t go through. Kane just doesn’t look right to me late in Spurs season (as we discussed and I think you guys thought he looked fine) and in the limited time so far in the Euros. Honestly I think you should of course never take the first offer but if this is anything near what City will part with I think it would be good business to take and kickstart a rebuild
You hope it doesn't go through or it's good business to take it? You seem to say both.
 

67YAZ

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 1, 2000
8,731
The player exchanges are a moot point anyway. Those 3 listed are already on sizable wages (Sterling £300k/wk, Laporte £120k, Jesus £90k), and each would be looking for a raise to sign new deal with Spurs. Levy is much more likely to take as much cash up front as possible and then do his own shopping for better value.
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,673
People overreacting to Kane's performance in two England games is pretty good. If Rhys James gets his shot on target vs Scotland nobody is talking about it.
 

Jimy Hendrix

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 15, 2002
5,846
I really hope this doesn’t go through. Kane just doesn’t look right to me late in Spurs season (as we discussed and I think you guys thought he looked fine) and in the limited time so far in the Euros. Honestly I think you should of course never take the first offer but if this is anything near what City will part with I think it would be good business to take and kickstart a rebuild
Not that I want to advocate for "here's why you should be excited about your team taking my team's best player", but if it's even real it seems like precisely the sort of issue moving to City would help solve for him.

He tends to be pretty limited at tournaments I think because he's utterly gassed from forcing himself into every game he can play when not injured and some of the games when he is.

Having a team with an oil-fuled galaxy of super options and a manager with enough star power to tell him "no" sometimes would likely keep him healthier and consistently fresher.

I do hope the City transfer team shares this skepticism of the EPL goals/assists leader.
 

teddykgb

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
11,023
Chelmsford, MA
You hope it doesn't go through or it's good business to take it? You seem to say both.
I hope it doesn’t go through as a City fan because I’m not convinced City aren’t buying damaged goods. As a result I think it may be a good deal for Spurs as he’s being valued as if he is still the Kane of three years ago.

I totally understand that he’s your club captain and an incredible Spurs story. I would not expect you to want to sell him as fans of the club. I got the same alerts you all did about the bid and I was just not feeling like this is the best decision City could take
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,673
Kane was the best player in the EPL last year. Imagine if he wasn't damaged goods, how good would he be?
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
From ESPN:

Sources have told ESPN that at least one candidate who interviewed for the vacant managerial position at Spurs was told Kane would not be sold before the start of next season.
Of course the managerial hire has been a circus but, whatever.

Sources have told ESPN there is an acceptance at the Etihad Stadium that it will be hard to prise Kane from Tottenham this summer given his importance to Spurs and his contract situation.
Manchester City preparing £100m offer to sign Harry Kane from Tottenham - sources (espn.com)
 

Dummy Hoy

Angry Pissbum
SoSH Member
Jul 22, 2006
8,232
Falmouth
I believe that award went to Ruben the man mountain Dias and/KDB but if you guys are this disinterested in the discussion then cool
I mean, I think there’s a pretty good argument that regardless of awards Kane was the best player in the Premiership last season...not my vote necessarily, but right there.
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,673
Kane may or may not have been the best player in the EPL last season; but I don't see any reason to doubt that he isn't a hugely productive player in the league. He led the league in goals and assists, while playing in a very conservative system that often did not prioritize attacking football. I get that he is slow, he has always been slow. He probably shouldn't play as many minutes as he does (and on City he will have more chances to rest) but from what we saw this past season, he should easily score 20+ goals for City next season, and probably the season after that.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
Report today (just got push on phone) that Spurs approached Sevilla's manager, Julen Lopetegui, and he declined what was called a "dizzying offer".


JFC--just hire Graham Potter and be done with it.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850

Gunfighter 09

wants to be caribou ken
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2005
8,548
KPWT
I am at the "just hire Nuno and be done with it" phase. FFS, Levy, you finally hired a DoF, let him do his job. Besides, I prefer counter attacking, defensive soccer, regardless of what Levy promised in his weird end of season message.

I won't be complaining if Valverde or Potter come, and I am disappointed that Lopetegui said no, but this has gone on long enough.
 

coremiller

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
5,846
I am at the "just hire Nuno and be done with it" phase. FFS, Levy, you finally hired a DoF, let him do his job. Besides, I prefer counter attacking, defensive soccer, regardless of what Levy promised in his weird end of season message.

I won't be complaining if Valverde or Potter come, and I am disappointed that Lopetegui said no, but this has gone on long enough.
The more fundamental problem is that it appears the DoF Levy hired is 1) not especially good at his job, and 2) not philosophically aligned with Levy. Those are going to be ongoing problems no matter who the manager is.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
Nuno Espirito Santo closes in on Tottenham job and how Fabio Paratici convinced Daniel Levy - football.london

football.london understands that during discussions Paratici showed Levy the way Espirito Santo's entertaining Valencia side played, more often with a 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 than the back three he became known for at Wolves.

It is understood that during talks it was made clear by both Paratici and Espirito Santo that the football the Portuguese would bring to Tottenham would tick the attacking, entertaining boxes Levy had called for while also, at the same time, being strong at the back.
 

Zososoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 30, 2009
9,209
South of North
So this is a nicer more modern Mourinho. Cool. Happy the vacancy is filled, but if Ten Hag or Potter were still options I would've preferred them. This reeks to me of Paratici getting a solid manager that fits his profile, but one that probably won't meet Levy's criteria of attacking entertaining football. At least for a season or 2, Paratici can claim (credibly or not) that he needs time to reshape the squad in that image.

More importantly, this means we're a Mendes club to a larger degree now. I bet we see some transfers this summer from Gestifute (Bernardo, Renato Sanches, Ruben Neves, RONALDO?!??)/
 

67YAZ

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 1, 2000
8,731
It’s not a bad talent fit for most of Nuno’s concepts.

We’ve seen that Kane can play a multifaceted role so well - hold up, distribution, lead the line - he can be like Jimenez and then some (provided Nuno can manage his minutes).

The 9 position is key because Nuno’s wings and fullbacks are charged with doing the bulk of the vertical progression with quick passing and dribbling. Reguilon, Doherty, Son, Bergwyn, and Moura can all do this. That Bale character, too, if he’s sticking around.

The CBs are obviously an areas that needs attention, and the midfield has question marks. Nuno looks stout, hard working box to box types that prevent the opponent from playing through the middle and fight hard to win back possession.
 

coremiller

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 14, 2005
5,846
Hard to get super-excited about The Bearded One, but it could certainly have been worse (like Klinsmann). He's solid, the team will be prepared and tactically organized. We'll see how he deals with greater expectations and the dressing room egos. Not thrilled by the Mendes baggage.

Also only a two-year contract. Seems like Spurs wanted to keep their long-term options open here.
 

scott bankheadcase

I'm adequate!!
SoSH Member
Nov 1, 2006
3,057
hoboken
Hard to get super-excited about The Bearded One, but it could certainly have been worse (like Klinsmann). He's solid, the team will be prepared and tactically organized. We'll see how he deals with greater expectations and the dressing room egos. Not thrilled by the Mendes baggage.

Also only a two-year contract. Seems like Spurs wanted to keep their long-term options open here.
Same amount of time Poch has left on his…..
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
So this is a nicer more modern Mourinho. Cool. Happy the vacancy is filled, but if Ten Hag or Potter were still options I would've preferred them.
Word is Potter had some kind of clause which would have entailed Levy sending £20 million to get him. Which wasn't happening.
 

67YAZ

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 1, 2000
8,731
I'm having an issue with this link--is it a recent story?

I did find this, written just the other day: Sure, Nuno's Wolves were pragmatic, but they were also exhilarating - Spurs fans shouldn't dismiss him out of hand – The Athletic
My bad. Piece was actually from December.

https://theathletic.com/2236514/2021/06/30/tottenham-wolves-nuno/?source=user_shared_article

What jumped out to me is how Nuno is a creature of habit and repetition - he seems to use the same drills and routines over and over again so that players perfect to the point where everything is second nature. He also gives constant highly detailed directions.

Jose, on the other hand, is famous for posing problems in practice and having players work out solutions to them on their own until he’s satisfied.

The man management is also very different - Nuno loves hugs! You hard core Spurs fans will have a better handle on this than me, but I’m interested to see how the players react and adjust to Nuno after Jose. I’m pretty sure Kane just wants to win and play every minute of every match, so he can adjust to any style. But the players I can see really thriving are Son and Reguilon.
 
Last edited:

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
But the players I can see really thriving are Son and Reguilon.
And, one would think, Doherty--as he played well for him with Wolves.

I'm choosing to be optimistic---he played the way he did with Wolves because that's the team he had. His results from other places show he's not locked into one style. We shall see.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
Spurs "close" on Takehiro Tomiyasu (although close for Spurs doesn't mean much).

Opinion: All Spurs fans need to know about Takehiro Tomiyasu - Spurs Web - Tottenham Hotspur Football News (spurs-web.com)

He’s regarded as the ‘modern-day’ centre-back that combines a progressive and attractive ball-playing style with some good old ruthless defending.

Standing at 6ft 2in, Tomiyasu is known for his physicality but also his speed, making it difficult for attackers to get behind him, and is the reason why he’s utilised at the right-back and centre-back.
An issue is that he's going to play in the Olympics for Japan, meaning he'd missing preseason at Spurs.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
My bad. Piece was actually from December.

https://theathletic.com/2236514/2021/06/30/tottenham-wolves-nuno/?source=user_shared_article

What jumped out to me is how Nuno is a creature of habit and repetition - he seems to use the same drills and routines over and over again so that players perfect to the point where everything is second nature. He also gives constant highly detailed directions.
Just read that and I see some similarities to Belichick. Habit. Repetition. The next opponent is the most important one. Everything done is to give them the best chance at winning that particular game.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
And this is interesting:

Since promotion in 2018, Wolves have played 86 Premier League games. They’ve scored 37 goals in first halves – and 72 goals in second halves. They also concede more in the first 45 minutes (53) than in the second (44). It’s gone on too long for it to be a coincidence.
As one former Wolves player told The Athletic: “What he says at half-time always seems to work.

“I’ve always found him to be concise in his messages. He doesn’t watch the game, he watches the bigger picture. It’s a bit of a cliche but he sees it like chess, with moving parts and tactics, the way the pieces are moving, how many problems you’re causing your opponent and how many problems they’re causing you.

“So he makes subtle changes. He may change the personnel, but more likely he’ll just hold a midfielder 10 yards deeper, or tell you to focus down a certain side of the pitch. They’re basic messages that make perfect sense when he says them.

“There are so many times at full time when you think what he said at half time was absolutely correct and won us the game.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
53,850
Toby wants to move, and club is expected not to stand in way assuming "appropriate offer" comes in.

And Tottenham are unlikely to stand in his way if they receive an appropriate offer, with the new managing director of football Fabio Paratici hoping to sign two centre-backs this summer. Jules Kounde of Sevilla and Lyon’s Joachim Andersen, who spent last season at Fulham, are among their targets.
Alderweireld meanwhile is the subject of interest from his hometown club Royal Antwerp, as well as from clubs in Italy and Spain. There has been speculation previously over a return to Ajax.
Transfermarkt has him at around £10M. We'll see.

Toby Alderweireld has told Spurs he is looking to leave this summer as rebuild begins – The Athletic
 

Zososoxfan

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 30, 2009
9,209
South of North
Toby wants to move, and club is expected not to stand in way assuming "appropriate offer" comes in.





Transfermarkt has him at around £10M. We'll see.

Toby Alderweireld has told Spurs he is looking to leave this summer as rebuild begins – The Athletic
Kounde is a helluva player and I've wanted Barca to go after him for awhile. He doesn't strike me as the best fit for a club trying to solidify its defense since one of his best attributes is his control and passing, but he's also a very sound CB and has elite speed at the position. IOW, he's pretty much a dream CB but one that provides more value to an offensively focused club.

Toby is the fucking man and he should still have a couple of years of high level performance in him, but I completely understand if he's ready to move on.
 

Gunfighter 09

wants to be caribou ken
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2005
8,548
KPWT
If I could do a poll internal to a thread I would:

If Kane wins the Euros is Kane:

A. More likely to stay
B. Less likely to stay
C. No impact
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,673
The answer is probably C, but I could be convinced it's A. Kane wants to win important trophies and winning the Euros might scratch that itch for him (I don't think it could hurt) for the time being.
 

Tangled Up In Red

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Nov 8, 2004
4,539
Bernal
I think it is A, in that it is a non-zero, positive, stay impact.
But probably so modest that C is the more honest vote.
 

Tangled Up In Red

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Nov 8, 2004
4,539
Bernal
I think you could also ask the question #2:
If Kane loses the 2020 Euro final, is Kane:

A. More likely to stay
B. Less likely to stay
C. No impact
 

Gunfighter 09

wants to be caribou ken
Moderator
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2005
8,548
KPWT
I think you could also ask the question #2:
If Kane loses the 2020 Euro final, is Kane:

A. More likely to stay
B. Less likely to stay
C. No impact

If Kane plays in yet another final where his teams loses without scoring the narrative that the issue is him and not just Spurs being Spursy becomes much more plausible. If they lose without scoring, I bet he is more likely to up the ante on leaving.
 

Zomp

Moderator
Moderator
SoSH Member
Aug 28, 2006
13,942
The Slums of Shaolin
Either way I think this tournament has made him more likely to leave.

I know teddy doesn't want him but I think he'd be frightening at City. Look at the partnership he's forming with Sterling.
 

67YAZ

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 1, 2000
8,731
Either way I think this tournament has made him more likely to leave.

I know teddy doesn't want him but I think he'd be frightening at City. Look at the partnership he's forming with Sterling.
And the passing from the deep 9 role. Pep hasn’t had that at City. It would be frightening. But I also suspect Nuno has some ideas about to take advantage of that, too.
 

teddykgb

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
11,023
Chelmsford, MA
I think it makes him more likely to stay. Winning a major competition with England scratches the itch and cements his legacy quite a bit. He’s no longer on the “good player who never won anything” path and is generally happy. The only way he leaves Spurs imo is if he agitates for the move and is he really going to win the Euro with England and come back and kick up a huge fuss demanding a transfer? That’s always difficult for any player let alone England’s golden boy
 

Kliq

Member
SoSH Member
Mar 31, 2013
22,673
I don't think Tottenham have really inspired any more optimism from Kane's perspective so far this off-season. The coaching search was a complete farce (although some of that was probably due to poor media reporting) and the team doesn't feel like they are in any more of a competitive position then they were at the end of last season. I think it's pretty simple; Kane wants to be in a position to win things and the team over the past two years has not been in that position, and Kane is looking at his prime being wasted on a team languishing in the middle of the table, even if he leads the league in goals and assists. He was Jose's biggest ally on the team and I think that was because he felt like Jose understood how to win and he didn't think the rest of the organization wanted to do the work necessary to win (Kane is probably wrong in this instance, Jose was running an outdated system and had fallen out of touch with the game).

If Tottenham make some really positive moves, sells some guys and brings in some high-level talent, and Kane has some good conversations with Nuno, it could all be smoothed over, but I don't see things trending in that direction. This feels like a full squad rebuild and at that point, keeping Kane around makes little sense.

The mystery in all of this is that Kane doesn't seem to have a landing spot if City are sincere in not being interested. Kane is serious about not wanting to leave England, with a key reason imo being that he really wants Shearer's record. Man U are out of the running after the Sancho move. Chelsea could always pony up the dough, but that would require a few other moves to be made, such as moving on from Werner and that doesn't seem likely. Liverpool and Arsenal won't pay that much for him.
 

Morgan's Magic Snowplow

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 2, 2006
22,345
Philadelphia
I don't see how any result on Sunday changes the fundamental dynamics of the situation, which are that Kane wants to leave, Kane is willing to signal that openly (as he has already) but won't totally throw his toys out of the pram by refusing to play for Spurs or submitting a formal transfer request, and that without Kane forcing his hand Levy won't sell him at a price that City will pay.