Stop hoarding TP(E) - the what should the Celtics do with the TPE thread

What should the Celtics do with their TPE

  • Use it before the current season starts

    Votes: 6 4.6%
  • See what is available around the NBA trade deadline and level up for the playoffs

    Votes: 55 42.3%
  • Save it for next summer's free agent bonanza

    Votes: 69 53.1%

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Great point.

Two factors are involved imo. 1. Some people are far more focused on a guy's PPG and 3pt than others and largely disregard offensive efficiency and/or defense (especially defense). 2. Some people are focused on beefing up the depth/glue pieces on this year's team with less regard for next year and the year after.

You're right. Nobody is going to argue that dumping Green and adding Porter or Gordon hurts this year's team. That would be stupid. But moves don't happen in a vacuum. Moves potentially preclude other moves later. They also steal developmental minutes. And there are style fit issues and, to a lesser extent, cultural fit. These things all matter.

So I'd say that a good debate on the pros and cons of a guy like Porter or Gordon is in order, rather than "wtf is the matter with you, Porter is great/junk".
Part of the problem is a communication one. There are posters who are posting in good faith, making cases for their position while others are simply throwing out drive by suggestions with no apparent objective other than to be on the record in a thread. In short, its a messageboard.

That said, if people are advocating a player as an acquisition target, it would be helpful to understand why both quantitatively as well as from a fit perspective. To be clear, fit doesn't just apply to the TPE and a player's contract.
 

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Gordon and Porter are in slightly different categories, I think. Gordon has been criminally misused in Orlando for virtually his entire career, miscast as a ball handling wing rather than a floor running big. His contract is tough, but it's reasonable to think he's got some untapped potential in the right situation.

Porter, on the other hand, just doesn't offer much. Contract aside, he's a guy that doesn't do anything except shoot the ball a bit. He's not a shot creator and he's a bad passer. His value comes down to his defense - if he's a plus or even average defender, he's a legitimate rotation guy; somewhere around the Jae Crowder level in terms of value. If he's a bad defender - and I happen think he is - he's more like present day Carmelo Anthony, without the pretext of an ability to create his own offense. On a team like the Celtics, that just isn't very valuable. Those minutes really are better off going to Grant Williams or Romeo Langford.
 

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He never was max player good, but he was on a very nice trajectory. Age 23 shot 43% from three, age 24 shot 44%. He played good, if not real good defense. Was switchable onto point guards to power forwards and would not get embarassed. If he didn't get hurt, he was looking at another nice payday next year
He was certainly on pace to be an over-MLE player. I probably should have made more clear that I was speaking comparatively. And it just might be that he’s healthy again and will be worth an MLE contract in 2022. But why spend $28 million for the privilege of finding out if he can return to being an MLE player? They have the space to sign him next summer now if he proves this year that he can stay healthy and play acceptable defense.
 

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Great point.

Two factors are involved imo. 1. Some people are far more focused on a guy's PPG and 3pt than others and largely disregard offensive efficiency and/or defense (especially defense). 2. Some people are focused on beefing up the depth/glue pieces on this year's team with less regard for next year and the year after.

You're right. Nobody is going to argue that dumping Green and adding Porter or Gordon hurts this year's team. That would be stupid. But moves don't happen in a vacuum. Moves potentially preclude other moves later. They also steal developmental minutes. And there are style fit issues and, to a lesser extent, cultural fit. These things all matter.

So I'd say that a good debate on the pros and cons of a guy like Porter or Gordon is in order, rather than "wtf is the matter with you, Porter is great/junk".
Yes, one thing that is true generally in basketball discussion these days is what I think of as the "Nate Duncan fallacy"

I think he's a good basketball commentator and generally enjoy him. But he tends to see guys one way---roughly, could they fit on a prime GS Warriors team? if they couldn't---or if their game is not fully and wholly 3 pt/paint oriented--he says they aren't very good. We know the reality is more subtle than this, though, and sometimes people make the right general conclusion (threes are better than mid range jumpers) and apply it wrongly to a specific player (DeRozan being bad, as opposed to just overrated, the most common example). To his credit, Duncan seems to have recognized this a bit over the last 1-2 years and is better now at acknowledging value in guys who are imperfect, but it's still sometimes a challenge.

Is Aaron Gordon some amazing missing piece for the Celtics? No. Is he perfect? Not even close. But the idea they are better off with Semi playing those minutes is at least as far from reality.
 

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Is Aaron Gordon some amazing missing piece for the Celtics? No. Is he perfect? Not even close. But the idea they are better off with Semi playing those minutes is at least as far from reality.
They are if it costs $18 mil more to pay Gordon. That's the thing, it isn't Gordon vs Semi.
 

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Gordon and Porter are in slightly different categories, I think. Gordon has been criminally misused in Orlando for virtually his entire career, miscast as a ball handling wing rather than a floor running big. His contract is tough, but it's reasonable to think he's got some untapped potential in the right situation.
If Orlando were reasonable then Gordon might be a good target, but I suspect that they’re still looking for a haul for him, even though Gordon never put in the work to fully round out his game and his use becomes more limited as he ages. The question is can he learn to shoot acceptably now? Orlando may never have forced him to rebuild his jumper, but he could certainly have put in the work with his private coaches to do it.

On the other hand he’s certainly an interesting fit as the big wing in Boston’s three wing approach given his ability to switch onto smaller guys and his ballhandling and shot creating ability. If I had any faith that he’d rebuild the jumper he’d be worth trading for. Only I suspect that the Magic are looking for a Jrueverpay in any trade. And I’m just not sure that Gordon’s worth it.

Lastly I think that Ainge’s stated intention is the right one. Stand pat for now because Boston needs two things this year, they need the young guys to develop and they need Tatum to take that next step forward where he’s carrying the offense on his shoulders. And Hayward’s departure combined with the Walker and Langford injuries are going to force him to do just that. And Gwill, Bwill, Nesmith, and Pritchard are going to get thrown into the fire and get developmental time early. Hopefully Grant and Nesmith, at least, seize the opportunity.
 

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Danny Ainge on @Toucherandrich on Hayward TPE: “We're not going to go do anything right now. … Let’s see how this season goes, where we are. We’ll have the ability to improve our team at the trade deadline, and next offseason if not.” Wants to see what young guys can do.
 

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They are if it costs $18 mil more to pay Gordon. That's the thing, it isn't Gordon vs Semi.
That's fine---and I get all the complexity. Many posts recognize that as well, I'm just noting some of the ones that don't get pretty distracting.

I'm not sure Gordon's salary is a particular barrier if you tihnk he's additive, but I get why people might land either way on the additive question
 

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Given the Celtics glut of recent 1st rounders, and Kemba’s knee being boned, they actually do need to treat this as a developmental season in some ways.

Getting 1 or 2 of the young guys to pop is probably a necessity now if they want to win a title during the next 4 years.
 

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One of the advantages of standing pat for now is it would also be helpful to improve the trade value of some of the younger guys.
 

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Given the Celtics glut of recent 1st rounders, and Kemba’s knee being boned, they actually do need to treat this as a developmental season in some ways.

Getting 1 or 2 of the young guys to pop is probably a necessity now if they want to win a title during the next 4 years.
One of the advantages of standing pat for now is it would also be helpful to improve the trade value of some of the younger guys.
And who to give up on so we aren't trading 1st round picks to move salary because we have no roster spots for them to play anyway.

They should definitely be giving the younger guys minutes.
 

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And who to give up on so we aren't trading 1st round picks to move salary because we have no roster spots for them to play anyway.

They should definitely be giving the younger guys minutes.
Also fewer fans will likely diminish home court, so a good year to worry less about seed.
 

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I do think there's a decent chance we'll have some fans in the stands for June/July playoffs.
 

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Danny Ainge on @Toucherandrich on Hayward TPE: “We're not going to go do anything right now. … Let’s see how this season goes, where we are. We’ll have the ability to improve our team at the trade deadline, and next offseason if not.” Wants to see what young guys can do.
I like this approach. See where your holes are as the young guys develop. Also, give yourself ample tools to take care of any injuries or other challenges which might arise.
 

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I do think there's a decent chance we'll have some fans in the stands for June/July playoffs.
Oh for sure—I’m just anticipating fewer fans making it harder to have that postseason atmosphere, and we saw in the bubble that something about that dynamic is real, and without it homecourt completely disappears.

I’d be shocked if NBA teams aren’t pricing that in for this year.
 

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I also second the idea of waiting. The highest priority could change depending on whether or not Kemba's knee is toast, for example.
 

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What would you like me to tell you? Porter was never very good, has been injured for a couple of years, is getting paid a ton of money, and requires trading a better player for the right to eat the salary. And, to be brutally frank, is going to be bench depth on the rare occasions that he's healthy. He's fine to squander a TPE on if someone's paying you eat the contract.

In the real world he's been a replacement level defender for a few years now. He's just not good enough to justify giving up assets for, and literally requires Boston to give up assets (Langford and Theis) to get.
I would've wanted you not to say something as absurd as Otto Porter is a twelfth man.

Most of the rest of your argument is reasonable, adding something so ridiculous to make your point sullies the rest of it.

What do you want to extend him for that he'd agree to though?

What is 3 years of Porter worth (especially since you now are blowing past the cap and not re-setting the repeater)?

I mean, he's overpaid by a ton the first year, and since you'll be in the tax for the next two of the extension..... even 8M is overpaid for the extend years, and he isn't doing that. His agent is going to want at least 10M if not more.

He just doesn;t make much sense.
I would've extended Porter in the scenario I described for something in the 12-15M range for 3 years. If he wasn't agreeable to it, I wouldn't acquire him.

My idea on him is I get him now for likely next to nothing because he is vastly overpaid this year, help this current team, next year I try to move Kemba so I have Tatum and Brown at big money, Porter and Smart in the 13Mish range, Thompson at 10M, which would leave me around 25M under the tax to fill out around that starting five plus RobWill/GrantWill/Nesmith. Some, maybe all, of that 25M would be eaten up by salary I'd have to take back for Kemba, but my hope is he retains enough value next year so I'm not dealing him as dead money, but just as a neutral contract.
 

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I would've wanted you not to say something as absurd as Otto Porter is a twelfth man.

Most of the rest of your argument is reasonable, adding something so ridiculous to make your point sullies the rest of it.



I would've extended Porter in the scenario I described for something in the 12-15M range for 3 years. If he wasn't agreeable to it, I wouldn't acquire him.

My idea on him is I get him now for likely next to nothing because he is vastly overpaid this year, help this current team, next year I try to move Kemba so I have Tatum and Brown at big money, Porter and Smart in the 13Mish range, Thompson at 10M, which would leave me around 25M under the tax to fill out around that starting five plus RobWill/GrantWill/Nesmith. Some, maybe all, of that 25M would be eaten up by salary I'd have to take back for Kemba, but my hope is he retains enough value next year so I'm not dealing him as dead money, but just as a neutral contract.
Yeah, the hardest step in that is “move Kemba.” If that can be done, a ton of options open up.
 

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Yeah, the hardest step in that is “move Kemba.” If that can be done, a ton of options open up.
For sure.

But after Horford got moved with little damage taken, I suspect as long as Kemba doesn't have a season ending injury he'd be movable.
 

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How about Kemba rehabbing the knee and playing at an all star level for the Celtics? How about the Celtics using all or most of the TPE and paying the luxury tax for a couple of years, while winning a title or two?
 

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How about Kemba rehabbing the knee and playing at an all star level for the Celtics? How about the Celtics using all or most of the TPE and paying the luxury tax for a couple of years, while winning a title or two?
Celtics are hard capped this season so cannot use all of the TPE until the offseason.
 

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The conundrum is Kemba just received 5 months off and then after 2 weeks of heavy use basically broke down again. We can hope All-Star Kemba will return. BUT he isn't the only avenue to winning 1-2 championships

If you feel Tatum is approaching apex NBA star level? with JB a notch below? then the Celtics can also win multiple championships over the next 5 seasons with healthy, competent players surrounding the Jays.

Rolling the dice on Kemba's knee for the next 3 seasons is a strategy, but certainly not the only one. A lot of people around here are just trying to weigh the options.
 

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The conundrum is Kemba just received 5 months off and then after 2 weeks of heavy use basically broke down again. We can hope All-Star Kemba will return. BUT he isn't the only avenue to winning 1-2 championships

If you feel Tatum is approaching apex NBA star level? with JB a notch below? then the Celtics can also win multiple championships over the next 5 seasons with healthy, competent players surrounding the Jays.

Rolling the dice on Kemba's knee for the next 3 seasons is a strategy, but certainly not the only one. A lot of people around here are just trying to weigh the options.
I realize they aren't exactly similar situations (though I have no expertise in even saying that), but Marcus Morris missed like 20+ games in his first season with the Celtics due to mysterious knee pain (after his rookie season he never missed more than 5 games before coming to the Celtics if I recall), and since then seems mostly fine. Kemba played 82 games in 2018-2019, played internationally, and then played a bunch of minutes this past season. We really have no idea what he's going to look like next season or next playoffs if the treatment he has received is effective and he is load managed once he does come back (maybe no back to backs, keeping him to 25-28 minutes a night once his is back). There's a lot of cynicism on this board with respect to this injury, like it's just a sure thing that his career is basically over and the contract is now an albatross. There are probably a wider range of outcomes than that, but maybe I'm being irrationally optimistic.
 

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I realize they aren't exactly similar situations (though I have no expertise in even saying that), but Marcus Morris missed like 20+ games in his first season with the Celtics due to mysterious knee pain (after his rookie season he never missed more than 5 games before coming to the Celtics if I recall), and since then seems mostly fine. Kemba played 82 games in 2018-2019, played internationally, and then played a bunch of minutes this past season. We really have no idea what he's going to look like next season or next playoffs if the treatment he has received is effective and he is load managed once he does come back (maybe no back to backs, keeping him to 25-28 minutes a night once his is back). There's a lot of cynicism on this board with respect to this injury, like it's just a sure thing that his career is basically over and the contract is now an albatross. There are probably a wider range of outcomes than that, but maybe I'm being irrationally optimistic.
Comparing Kemba's injury/situation to MaMo is kind of a head-scratcher. MaMo played a completely different role on the team, position, style of play and was getting paid $5MM/season on a shorter contract. If your point is we should just be patient, not rush Kemba to start the season, and let him rehab until he's ready? I think we can all agree with that.

Kemba is a small/defensively challenged PG when healthy. Say if the injury lingers and his speed/quick stop ability goes down a small notch? or worse, age + injury quickly deteriorates his defense quite a bit? You thought Kanter got hunted in playoff games? Yikes, that would really hamper title aspirations for 3years.

I'm not saying his career is over but if Kemba's upside is a load-managed ex-star that can play 25-28mpg, fair enough, call me a cynic. If Danny can find a GM as optimistic as some on this board I'd understand an eventual move.
 

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The conundrum is Kemba just received 5 months off and then after 2 weeks of heavy use basically broke down again.
While I understand this concern intuitively, are we sure that rest is the most effective treatment for what ails him? The health care professionals working with him seem to be suggesting a course of strengthening the muscles around the knee -- quads, hamstrings, glutes, etc. -- and I wonder if 5 months off followed by 2 weeks of heavy use exacerbated rather than corrected the problem. I'm no professional athlete, but two years ago I tried running 5K a day after a five-month layoff and my left knee stopped me in about two weeks. When things calmed down, I started a process of strengthening and ramping up in March and have been comfortably back to running 5K for months.
 

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It sure feels to me like the best, most realistic Kemba scenario is that he comes back and is really good, but that he is severely limited in minutes, so maybe even during the playoffs what you get is about 20-24 high level Kemba minutes a night.

That's not worth his contract, but if they could get 20-24 high level minutes from Kemba each game, wouldn't that, in the end, be pretty damned helpful in their quest for a title?
 

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Celtics are hard capped this season so cannot use all of the TPE until the offseason.
They can use the full TPE this season if the trade that brings in the $28 million player sends enough salary back out to keep them under the hard cap.
 
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It sure feels to me like the best, most realistic Kemba scenario is that he comes back and is really good, but that he is severely limited in minutes, so maybe even during the playoffs what you get is about 20-24 high level Kemba minutes a night.

That's not worth his contract, but if they could get 20-24 high level minutes from Kemba each game, wouldn't that, in the end, be pretty damned helpful in their quest for a title?
Why is Kemba coming back and being "really good" the most realistic scenario? He hasn't been "really good" for basically an entire year now. I would say the most realistic scenario is getting comparable production that we saw in the bubble with probably some kind of minute restriction as you mention. Anything more than that is gravy, IMO.

I will readily admit I am one of the larger Kemba cynics on this board. I loved the signing and loved his game when healthy but I am incredibly concerned he never will approach what we saw in the first couple of months. Certainly hope I'm wrong on this.
 

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While I understand this concern intuitively, are we sure that rest is the most effective treatment for what ails him? The health care professionals working with him seem to be suggesting a course of strengthening the muscles around the knee -- quads, hamstrings, glutes, etc. -- and I wonder if 5 months off followed by 2 weeks of heavy use exacerbated rather than corrected the problem. I'm no professional athlete, but two years ago I tried running 5K a day after a five-month layoff and my left knee stopped me in about two weeks. When things calmed down, I started a process of strengthening and ramping up in March and have been comfortably back to running 5K for months.
That's a fair point. Clearly, they are saying a new/different approach to the knee.

If Danny can sell others on a new strengthening program to make Kemba stronger/better than 2020 playoff Kemba that would be fantastic work.
 

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Why is Kemba coming back and being "really good" the most realistic scenario? He hasn't been "really good" for basically an entire year now. I would say the most realistic scenario is getting comparable production that we saw in the bubble with probably some kind of minute restriction as you mention. Anything more than that is gravy, IMO.

I will readily admit I am one of the larger Kemba cynics on this board. I loved the signing and loved his game when healthy but I am incredibly concerned he never will approach what we saw in the first couple of months. Certainly hope I'm wrong on this.
What I said was, "best, most realistic" scenario, by which I meant that there are other *better* scenarios, but I think this is, realistically, the best we can hope for. Sorry I didn't communicate that well.
 

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It sure feels to me like the best, most realistic Kemba scenario is that he comes back and is really good, but that he is severely limited in minutes, so maybe even during the playoffs what you get is about 20-24 high level Kemba minutes a night.

That's not worth his contract, but if they could get 20-24 high level minutes from Kemba each game, wouldn't that, in the end, be pretty damned helpful in their quest for a title?
They could win a title with that Kemba, some internal development, TT working out, and maybe one more acquisition.

If he can get to that level though, you may be able to trade him to a bad team as a mild asset, however, in which case I think that’s a more straightforward route to contention.
 

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Kemba didn't pull a quad or wear out his IT band. He has significant deterioration. It would be too optimistic to expect peak Kemba at normal usage.

But it's certainly possible that some of these treatments get him closer to old Kemba than some of the direst predictions. Our hope should be for a heavily load managed Kemba being back to 90% himself for 28mpg come playoff time.
 

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Kemba didn't pull a quad or wear out his IT band. He has significant deterioration. It would be too optimistic to expect peak Kemba at normal usage.

But it's certainly possible that some of these treatments get him closer to old Kemba than some of the direst predictions. Our hope should be for a heavily load managed Kemba being back to 90% himself for 28mpg come playoff time.
Has it been validated by medical experts that there is significant deterioration? As other posters have pointed out, we have to wait and see as the range of outcomes depends on how much cartilage loss has already occurred.
 

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18 months ago his knee was in good enough shape that they thought it was a good idea for him to play for USA Basketball. My hope is that playing that summer, and then the chaos of 2020, was too much for his bad knee and that it becomes manageable going forward with the increased focus on rest and strengthening. That seems at least plausible. I'd be much more worried if he hadn't played last summer, and 2020 had been a normal year, and he still had this problem.
 

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They can use the full TPE this season if the trade that brings in the $28 million player sends enough salary back out to keep them under the hard cap.
I mean they could, but that requires giving up Theis and Langford for a guy that is probably not as impactful as Theis. Unless a really valuable guy on an MLE/MLE+ deal springs free this winter, they're likely to wait to exploit teams that think they're in the chase for either Giannis this summer or Durant the next.
 

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Has it been validated by medical experts that there is significant deterioration? As other posters have pointed out, we have to wait and see as the range of outcomes depends on how much cartilage loss has already occurred.
The Synvisc and stem cell treatments are empirical evidence of deterioration.
 

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I mean they could, but that requires giving up Theis and Langford for a guy that is probably not as impactful as Theis. Unless a really valuable guy on an MLE/MLE+ deal springs free this winter, they're likely to wait to exploit teams that think they're in the chase for either Giannis this summer or Durant the next.
I agree. I'm hoping they don't use it until the offseason. I was just pointing out that it is possible to use the whole thing this year, despite the hard cap.
 

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Am I correct that the TPE can be split up among multiple players, but it cannot be used as part of a larger deal for someone? If their salary is higher you can’t make up the difference?
 

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Jared lists his TPE list: Aaron, Gordon, D.Murray, Aldridge, Gobert, Ingles, B. Bogdanovich

https://theathletic.com/2230722/2020/12/08/gordon-hayward-trade-exception-celtics/?source=dailyemail
It's really too early IMO to start looking to use it unless the Rockets yard sale happens preseason.

Dejounte Murray has me mildly interested, but wouldn't chase.

Contract: Four years remaining at $14.3 million, $15.2 million, $16.6 million and $17.7 million

Murray is the ideal combo guard to fit between Kemba Walker and Tatum/Brown. He’s a 6-foot-4 elite defender who can cover any point guard in the league while taking on star wings when Brown and Tatum need a break. The 24-year-old’s game has a lot in common with Marcus Smart. He isn’t quite the overwhelming defensive force Smart is, but he made the All-Defensive Team in his second season and will be two years removed from a torn ACL this year.

Murray’s four-year, $64 million extension kicks in this season, so the impetus for San Antonio to move on from him and essentially bring their cap room to $80-plus million next offseason would be getting a few first-round picks for their trouble. But much like Orlando, San Antonio is a team stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity, and due for a fresh start.
 

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It's hard to forecast, but you also need to sort of see how the rest of the league is shaping up as well. If there are a number of teams that look unbeatable and healthy, would seem less prudent to go all in on a win-it-now type of player (Gobert for example).
 

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It's hard to forecast, but you also need to sort of see how the rest of the league is shaping up as well. If there are a number of teams that look unbeatable and healthy, would seem less prudent to go all in on a win-it-now type of player (Gobert for example).
Also need to see how Kemba is doing. If he's able to come back in some capacity, the need for a Dejounte Murray is reduced. If he looks like he's toast, then I'd be a lot more interested in pursuing a guy like Murray who can be part of the next title run and fits in perfectly with the Jay window.

Ainge has the luxury to sit tight and see what develops, which is great. I think he's ultimately going to be aggressive with the TPE but will bide his time looking for the right opportunity.
 

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Which B. Bogdanovic? I don't have a subscription. I'd like either one, but I'm guessing they are talking about Bojan given Bogdan just signed and Gobert and Ingles were mentioned too.

Is there a reason Utah is having a fire sale? I could see them trading Gobert for locker room issues. Why Bojan though?
 

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Which B. Bogdanovic? I don't have a subscription. I'd like either one, but I'm guessing they are talking about Bojan given Bogdan just signed and Gobert and Ingles were mentioned too.

Is there a reason Utah is having a fire sale? I could see them trading Gobert for locker room issues. Why Bojan though?
Bojan Bogdanovic and Joe Ingles, Wings, Jazz
Bogdanovic contract: Three years at $17.9 million, $18.7 million and $19.6 million

Ingles contract: Two years: $10.8 million and $14 million

This would present an incredible opportunity for the Celtics to replace Hayward by getting his play-alike in Ingles, as well as one of the league’s better off-ball wings in Bogdanovic. But Ingles is 33 and Bogdanovic, who is recovering from a torn ligament in his shooting hand, is already 31, so their trade value is not that high. This could be a great way for the Celtics to dramatically fortify the wing rotation with players that will make way for Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith in a couple years. Because of the age and risk with Bogdanovic losing his sniper shooting touch, this could be a doable trade if the Jazz decide to go for a fire sale this year to rebuild around Donovan Mitchell when his max extension kicks in after the season.
 

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Bojan Bogdanovic and Joe Ingles, Wings, Jazz
Bogdanovic contract: Three years at $17.9 million, $18.7 million and $19.6 million

Ingles contract: Two years: $10.8 million and $14 million

This would present an incredible opportunity for the Celtics to replace Hayward by getting his play-alike in Ingles, as well as one of the league’s better off-ball wings in Bogdanovic. But Ingles is 33 and Bogdanovic, who is recovering from a torn ligament in his shooting hand, is already 31, so their trade value is not that high. This could be a great way for the Celtics to dramatically fortify the wing rotation with players that will make way for Romeo Langford and Aaron Nesmith in a couple years. Because of the age and risk with Bogdanovic losing his sniper shooting touch, this could be a doable trade if the Jazz decide to go for a fire sale this year to rebuild around Donovan Mitchell when his max extension kicks in after the season.
I would think Bojan would get more in return than just the TPE. It would probably cost one of Langford or Nesmith. Or at least a 1st rounder. I wouldn't be totally against that either, because as quoted above, Bojan is signed for 3 more years.

Thinking outside the box, if Utah was interested in Kemba, maybe there is a way to lessen the prospect cost and move away from Kemba by acquiring Conley and Bojan. It would require 2 separate deals I think.

Bojan + Conley for Kemba, TPE.

That would be way too good for the C's though. They get to move on from Kemba's contract and acquire a player that is pretty much a perfect fit (minus age, which shouldn't be an issue) for the Jays the next 3 years. If Kemba was 100% healthy, maybe Utah would consider it.

Bojan for just the TPE seems way too good for the C's too. It would make me wonder what's wrong with Bojan if that's all Utah could get. I think Bojan is a better fit on the C's than Hayward tbh. That's with the belief Tatum becomes a better facilitator and should have the ball in his hands more often, which would take away a lot of Hayward's value. They also signed Teague.