Some QBs step up in the pocket and get the ball out quickly on at least some of the pass plays.
Super Bowl LV: Game Thread – Kansas City Chiefs @ Tompa Bay Bucs
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I agree, and as I wrote last night, I thought Mahomes got greedy in the second half trying to go for the long bomb that never materialized instead of making quick, easy throws or taking what the defense gave him. In the first half he took advantage of Tampa letting him pick up 8-10 yards with his legs, but he abandoned that in the second half, instead doubling back around the field and trying to uncork some desperation heave. Mahomes had a very physically impressive game, but he also pretty much sucked, and he is getting let off pretty easy, imo.
This is functionally the same as Dan Savage’s advice on how to do dirty talk: tell them what you’re going to do to them, do it, tell them what you just did to them
This is also known as the Larry Bird method.
https://basketballforever.com/2019/09/06/ranking-larry-birds-most-savage-trash-talk-moments
This made me literally laugh out loud.
This was fun, aside from the unskippable 30-second ad: https://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-throwback-every-tom-brady-rob-gronkowski-playoff-td
First, Nielsen's methodology measures people viewing, not just TV sets. So they don't need to make the kind of adjustment you mentioned.
Second, Nielsen has long measured 'group viewing' in homes, so they can account historically for in-home Super Bowl parties. Nielsen also now measures "out of home" viewing in bars, etc., but that is much more recent development, and wouldn't be captured in ratings from prior Super Bowls.
So if ratings in the Boston market are higher for last night's game than prior Pats game, the reason is almost certainly because there were many more people watching in their homes than in past years.
Don Bradman (cricket) is up there for lapping the field also.
Imaged linked to statistical article comparing numbers to other big name athletes, although gretzky not included unfortunately.
I graduated USF in Tampa back in '94, and I became a Bucs fan while at college when they were still in their Bucco-Bruce creamsicle uniforms. And I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread.
Sorry for the term, 'townies', btw.
If it were to be one defensive player? Barrett is a good call. White too, but what about David? He owned Kelce all damn game until they went into the prevent for the 4Q, where Kelce padded his stats.
I mean, I love me the Bucs' edge rushers. JPP and Barrett are as good as they get. But the edge rush doesn't work as well unless you have guys like Vea and Suh commandeering the interior linemen.
Oh yeah....the Bucs did lose to the Chiefs in Wk 12 (Vea was out), 27-24. After the 1Q, the Chiefs led 17-0. Since that quarter ended, the Bucs have outscored the Chiefs 55-19.
And even more useless: Patrick Mahomes dad is 8 days younger than I am.
Tom Brady is going into the HOF as a Patriot. Before Brady, the Pats had to hoodwink Massachusetts into stadium upgrades by threatening to move the team from Foxboro to freakin Hartford of all places. Before Brady, mostly the townies loved the Pats. Now all of New England loves them.
Sorry for the term, 'townies', btw.
I saw a stat where the Bucs created pressure a SB record 29 times last night. Only 2 of those 29 pressures did they send anybody beyond their front four.
I can't complain about Brady winning the MVP, I mean, after I collected my eyes after they rolled out of my skull. This was as dominating of a defensive performance since the 2000 Ravens. The '85 Bears (sorry), etc.
If it were to be one defensive player? Barrett is a good call. White too, but what about David? He owned Kelce all damn game until they went into the prevent for the 4Q, where Kelce padded his stats.
There's history here. Hill blew up the Bucs secondary last November. And he'd do these incessant backflips during that career day he had.
A few things come to mind. No pre-season, and they opened vs NO, Sean Payton is a really good HC, and the Bucs lost Vita Vea to a broken foot during the Wk5 game vs the Bears. They didn't get him back until the Packers game in the NFCCG.
I mean, I love me the Bucs' edge rushers. JPP and Barrett are as good as they get. But the edge rush doesn't work as well unless you have guys like Vea and Suh commandeering the interior linemen.
Oh yeah....the Bucs did lose to the Chiefs in Wk 12 (Vea was out), 27-24. After the 1Q, the Chiefs led 17-0. Since that quarter ended, the Bucs have outscored the Chiefs 55-19.
And even more useless: Patrick Mahomes dad is 8 days younger than I am.
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Sorry to add to the sidetrack, but - as amazing as Gretz was, Ruth was as ridiculous. Ruth's career overlapped Frank "Home Run" Baker, who is in the HoF. He led the league in HRs 4 times, with 11, 10, 12 and 9. Ruth led the league in HRs 12 times - once with 11, and then with 29, 54, 59 (those four seasons were consecutive) and then 8 more times with 41-60. And, as was noted up thread, he was also a dominant pitchers...kind of the equivalent of what it would have looked like if Gretz had taken over for Grant Fuhr when the Oilers really needed a playoff shutout.
Ah, thank you! That was the first time I'd seen that before, and I was struggling to understand what I was looking at. I assume red and white denote complete vs incomplete passes?
Mahomes was running for his life all game for sure. I have been, for pure entertainment purposes, reading chiefs planet and they are saying things like, "If Brady faced that kind of pressure, he'd have been taken to the hospital". It's like...hmmmm....I understand it, but they don't seem to recall the 2015 AFC Championship game (technically played in 2016) between NE and Denver, where Brady got lit up all game long, and, in the most hostile environment, still managed to drive his team for the near-tying score at the very end.
Brady is one tough mother, and it bugs me when people assume/believe otherwise. He's taken some hellacious beatings and gotten up for more.
Brady is one tough mother, and it bugs me when people assume/believe otherwise. He's taken some hellacious beatings and gotten up for more.
Thanks. I totally read that wrong. I thought white was Mahomes scrambles and red represented Brady, and didn't pay attention to the bottom squiggle at all. It's much more pronounced reading it correctly.
You can see why Brady wanted AB so badly. That route was like a mirror image to the routes run by Edelman and Amendola. Just a couple of violent cuts. It's funny to see the Bucs lineman nervously following Brady as he's about to dig into Mathieu the second time.
And second the notion on White. I love that guy.
To this day, that Nate Clements de-cleating in Buffalo was one of the most vicious hits I've ever seen (close 2nd is Matt Ryan against Clemson in 2006) and Brady got right up. The only time Brady didn't get up was when his knee was shredded (F*ck you, Bernard Pollard). It's too bad that some people can't appreciate just how tough he is. Some fans think he's basically a pretty boy soccer flopper out there and, while he has certainly tried to sell calls before, when someone connects...he gets up.
The bolded made me chuckle given these comments from the Bucs QB coach. Brown was supposed to run the exact same route as Edelman from SB49 but ran it backwards, and Brady still hit him.
"A.B. on his touchdown catch was supposed to go down and in and then pop back out. He goes out and pops back in,” Christensen said in an interview with former NFL punter Pat McAfee on YouTube and Sirius XM. “I’m kind of going through the headset like ‘did he run the right route? Did he just do opposite of what he was supposed to do and we hit it for a touchdown?’ That was the case.”
Well, sure, because Denver only scored 20 points in that game, so the Pats were still in a position to tie late. Mahomes had no such opportunity. The fourth quarter might have played out very differently if the score was 20-9 instead of 31-9.
The Chiefs defense had a very poor game and are lucky the O-Line/Reid were so poor and are taking most of the heat. KC's defense couldn't stop the run, couldn't stop the pass, committed bonehead penalties and failed to pressure Brady. They were a Top 10 defense this year, but got worked in this game. I think Tampa probably could have scored more points in the second half, but they wisely went conservative and tried to eat some clock by avoiding any downfield throws.
This didn't get enough credit during and after the game. If they had reverted to the risk it-biscuit philosophy, it might have been much easier for the Chiefs to get a spark going on offense ... though, with the way the TB defense played, perhaps not
Brady threw 3 passes in the 4th quarter. I have a feeling if the Bucs needed 40, they could've scored 40.
So here's an interesting story I heard in an interview with the Bucs QB coach on the Pat McAffee show. Apparently AB was supposed to run the Edelman play, but messed up and ran it backwards. Brady saw that he broke out first though, so expected the hard break back in and threw it there. It was only a mirror image because AB messed up, but Brady still hit him for the TD.
Edit: Ah, responded to the post and then saw afterwards that the story was already told. Apologies.
Watching the play again, I'm not sure he scores if he goes out wide. It looks like that's what Mathieu was expecting, so he gets off-balance when AB breaks back inside.
That explanation makes sense, as that is an unusual route to run from that split. It runs the risk of the defender undercutting it if the defender is late getting to the fake flat/out motion.
What is interesting is that Mathieu is playing outside leverage there, so reversing the route concept actually isn’t a bad idea even if unconventional.
EDIT - By the way, why is Mathieu covering Brown in man, anyways? He is definitely not their best man coverage DB. I wonder if KC actually wanted that matchup, or they got messed up in their alignment/subs and couldn’t get out of it because they had no TO.
What is interesting is that Mathieu is playing outside leverage there, so reversing the route concept actually isn’t a bad idea even if unconventional.
EDIT - By the way, why is Mathieu covering Brown in man, anyways? He is definitely not their best man coverage DB. I wonder if KC actually wanted that matchup, or they got messed up in their alignment/subs and couldn’t get out of it because they had no TO.
I'd really like to know what the hell KC was doing there on defense that play. There was 10 seconds remaining, yet, they didn't bring much pressure. Wouldn't you want to force a quick decision knowing that Brady doesn't have much time to operate? Couple other comments:
1. What was #92 doing? He was covering the slot on the right but Fournette slipped out to the left so there was nobody left to guard since I don't think their RT reported as eligible. He ended up guarding nobody. It reminded me of New Orleans' LBs during the Diggs play. Like, what was the point of his assignment given the alignment Tampa used?
2. Despite not blitzing their LBs, both #54 and #52 let Gronk get behind them, a huge no-no in that situation. That easily could have been Gronk TD #3.
The Brown/Mathieu play came right after the moment where it looked like Tampa was going to substitute in a different package, and Tom on the field clearly overruled the decision and screamed "No, no, same!" to the sideline. My guess it that Brady saw some disarray on the play and knew he had a sure TD with Brown. Remember, that was right after Mathieu got flagged for DPI and was losing his shit, it is no surprise he made a mental mistake on the following play.
Hell, 10 seconds remaining and Tampa had 1st and goal on the 1. Literally just tackle all of the receivers right off the snap, take the penalty and give them the ball either at the 1 or at the half yard line with <5 seconds, and make them choose between going for the TD (likely just getting one chance) or kicking the FG. Maybe there's a reason why teams never do this (like the Patriots at the end of the 1st half of the Seattle super bowl), but I never understood why teams don't commit the penalty on purpose to burn a few seconds and force the offense to only get one legit play and have to choose between the FG and going for the TD.
Good point. I don’t really see a downside to that strategy with 10 seconds left.
If you do it twice they can assess an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and restore the elapsed time, but I don’t think anything in the rules would preclude the Chiefs from bear hugging the receivers on a single play.
I think Tampa could still have run another quick pass, especially if Tom turfs the ball quickly, but who knows? Maybe Tom hesitates for a second or two longer and gets sacked (end of half) or throws it away (the clock could be at 4-5 seconds and make it really risky to run another play).
Yup they definitely could but at least you get some intel on what they were doing and burn some time. Kind of ironic that the defense that bear hugs receivers on seemingly every play decided to play soft defense at the 1 with 10 seconds left.
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They’re like Jonesy and Reilly. Two Tuddies, Buddy!!
They’re like Jonesy and Reilly. Two Tuddies, Buddy!!
PFF says that was the Chiefs worst offensive line performance at least in the passing game since 2010. As an OL guy and someone who loves offensive line play more than probably any aspect of football I was disheartened by how bad that unit played. Side note: I would have never guessed of all the football aspects that offensive line prospects and play would be my calling.
Hat tip to @Super Nomario when we discussed it yesterday but they went from pre COVID: Fischer - Osemele - Reiter - Dr. Duvernay-Tardif - Schwartz which just FYI is a good OL to Remmers - Allegretti - Reiter - Wisniewski - Wylie.
So backup, backup, center who got benched for poor play in the middle of the year, backup, backup guard playing RT. To be fair Wisniewski was a starter for them last year at LG but he is a year older and a JAG at best. There is a reason PIT cut him and he was available.
Once the Bucs had the lead and they could pin their ears back and just go after Mahomes it was on. They also had a really good pass rushing strategy that would force Mahomes to scramble to his left but then they would loop a pass rusher over that way to nail him. Bowles really had the defensive game of his life even considering the trash KC had at OL. He exploited that dumpster fire perfectly.
Hat tip to @Super Nomario when we discussed it yesterday but they went from pre COVID: Fischer - Osemele - Reiter - Dr. Duvernay-Tardif - Schwartz which just FYI is a good OL to Remmers - Allegretti - Reiter - Wisniewski - Wylie.
So backup, backup, center who got benched for poor play in the middle of the year, backup, backup guard playing RT. To be fair Wisniewski was a starter for them last year at LG but he is a year older and a JAG at best. There is a reason PIT cut him and he was available.
Once the Bucs had the lead and they could pin their ears back and just go after Mahomes it was on. They also had a really good pass rushing strategy that would force Mahomes to scramble to his left but then they would loop a pass rusher over that way to nail him. Bowles really had the defensive game of his life even considering the trash KC had at OL. He exploited that dumpster fire perfectly.
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I want to rewatch the game, maybe today, but it seemed like the KC defender got about as much of a whack on the ball to knock it out as Vivian Brady might. Just rewatched it and not what I said. The defender pushed Haeg and slapped the ball out at the same time. Gronk, though, with his refrigerator door sized hands probably holds on.
Mahomes having surgery today to "to repair a torn plantar plate in his toe," per multiple reports.
https://frontofficesports.com/offshore-sportsbook-voids-bets-linked-to-super-bowl-streaker/
If you are going to be a dumbass and commit a crime. Don’t be even more of a dumbass and announce to the public that you BET money ON YOURSELF to commit a crime.
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Another Brady to Gronk completion
Another Brady to Gronk completion
